Reposted from Dr. Roy Spencer’s website
March 29th, 2020 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
Given the global hysteria over the spread COVID-19, you might be excused if you are very surprised to learn that the most recent week of mortality data in the EU shows an actual decline from what is expected for this time of year.
In the coming months there will be an increasing debate over whether the virtual shutdown of our economy was warranted given the threat of the latest form of the coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. While there are still large uncertainties about how fast it spreads and how lethal it is (statistically, those are inversely related), I suspect we will ultimately realize that our response might well have done more harm than good to society as a whole.
This is mainly because poverty is the leading cause of premature death in the world, and shutting down the economy leads to premature death for a multitude of reasons related to poverty. In the extreme example, you could save lives in the short run by keeping everyone at home, but in the long run we would all starve to death.
But that is not the main subject of this post.
A couple weeks ago I started expressing the opinion on social media that if our reaction to the spread of COVID-19 turns out to be overdone, it might end up having the unexpected consequence of reducing total virus-related mortality.
Let me explain.
As I am sure you are aware, seasonal flu is a global killer, with 300,000 to 650,000 deaths on average each year, mainly among the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions. At this writing, COVID-19 has killed 10% or less of that number. (Yes, I realize that number might have been considerably higher if not for our response).
Here’s the point: It might well be that the increased level of hand-washing, sanitizing, and social distancing we have exercised might save more lives from reducing influenza-A and -B that were lost to COVID-19, and that net virus-related mortality might go down this season.
I personally became more careful about not spreading germs several years ago. No so much for myself (I have a pretty strong immune system) but so I would not carry disease home to my family members. I carry antibacterial wipes in my car and use them religiously. We are hearing more and more now about how such habits can help prolong the lives of those around us who are elderly or have compromised immune systems.
Now, recent results from Europe suggest that the COVID-19 response might be having the unintended benefit of saving total lives. This is all very preliminary, I realize, and that coming weeks might see some change in that picture. But it is worth thinking about.
Early Results from Europe
Every week (on Thursday) the Euro MOMO project (European MOnitoring of excess MOrtality) publishes a report of mortality statistics across the EU, including stratification by age group. The latest report (which I believe includes data through March 24, but I am not sure) shows (green line) no uptick in total mortality from the assumed baseline (red line). In fact, it’s a little below that line (they also account for missing and late reports).
Amazingly, this flu season is seen to be surprisingly mild compared to previous flu seasons in the EU. On the chart I have also indicated the number of reported COVID-19 deaths in the most recent week, around 7,000.
Why do we not see an uptick on the chart? The charts for individual countries do show an up-tick for Italy (for example), but not unlike what was seen in previous flu seasons.
The report itself provides two or three possible explanations, none of which are particularly satisfying. Read it yourself and tell me it doesn’t sound like the people writing the report are also somewhat mystified. They don’t mention what I am discussing here.
So, the chart begs at least two questions:
1) Are the effects of practicing increased hygiene in response to COVID-19 saving more lives that would have been lost to seasonal flu deaths, than are being lost to COVID-19 itself?
2) Why are we not outraged and deathly afraid of the seasonal flu (-A and -B), given the widespread death that routinely occurs from those viruses that come around each season?
You might claim, “It’s because COVID-19 can kill anyone, not just the elderly.” Well, that’s true of the seasonal flu, as well. The case of an apparently healthy 44-year-old Texas man who recently died of COVID-19 probably scares many people, but according to the CDC approximately 5 “healthy” young people a day in the U.S. under the age of 25 die from sudden cardiac arrest. Maybe that Texas man had an underlying health condition that was previously undiagnosed. Unless they do an autopsy, and the family reveals the results, we will never know.
And, you might well think of other reasons why EU deaths have not experienced an uptick yet. Human behavior involves many confounding variables. I’m just mentioning one potential reason I am not seeing discussed.
I am not trying to minimize the deaths due to COVID-19. I’m trying to point out that if we are fearful of death from COVID-19, we should be even more concerned about the seasonal flu (many people are saying this), and that one benefit of the current experience might be that people will be more mindful about avoiding the spread of viruses in the future.
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I have also been wondering about the relationship with the ‘usual’ flu deaths. On the ground here on an isolated island with a large proportion of elderly, the level of panic is palpable and its effects are not good. There is no perspective presented in the MSM. The anecdotal cases of death from CV-19 are what the elderly seem to focus on.
France and Italy have only been counting the deaths that have occurred in their hospitals. They have not counted any deaths @ur momisugly home. I bet other countries are doing the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=857&v=LsExPrHCHbw&feature=emb_logo
Professor Dr Sucharit Bhakdi presents the questions he has written in a letter to Angela Merkel. He is Germany’s most cited specialist in infectious diseases. He believes we are in lockdown hysteria for no good reason.
Hmmm here’s a graph from the Netherlands. nuff said.
https://www.rivm.nl/monitoring-sterftecijfers-nederland
Note that it lags by up to two weeks. The latest info is from the week 12th – 18th March.
That week reports an excess mortality (“oversterfte”) of about 200. That’s the difference between the upper range of “normal” and the actual number of deaths.
Some analysis and interpretation by me:
The week before, there was no excess mortality. Which is to be expected near the end of a very mild flu season. Maybe without corona, the graph might have dipped below the upper range – we will never know. But I think it’s safe to attribute at least 200 deaths to COVID-19 in the week march 12th – 18th.
That same week had a reported number of COVID-19 deaths of 95 (for daily numbers, see tabel 2b of file:///C:/Users/User/AppData/Local/Packages/Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8bbwe/TempState/Downloads/Epidemiologische%20situatie%20COVID-19%2030%20maart%202020.pdf – Dutch version, I couldn’t find an English version).
Which results in a first estimate that less than halve of the actual COVID-19 related deaths are reported as such. As the Dutch do not test in many cases, this is to be expected.
As the numbers really exploded the week after -March 19th until March 25th has 475 reported deaths – it should really show up in that graph. If the same 50% reported rate applies, it should be about equal to the 2018 peak.
The current daily numbers are even higher: about 100 per day, so 700 a week. And the IC is about full now… 🙁
Last update was last Thursday, so I assume it will be updated again next Thursday. I’ll be watching https://www.rivm.nl/monitoring-sterftecijfers-nederland that day to see what the actual peak will look like.
Oops, that links should have been https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-03/Epidemiologische%20situatie%20COVID-19%2030%20maart%202020.pdf
It’s been a very, very mild winter and probably the flu vaccine was a good match. The UK figures show it even more clearly.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2019-to-2020
At the moment we are in the early foothills of the pandemic. between 60 and 80% need to catch it or get vaccinated to get herd immunity. At the moment every Tom, Dick or Harriet who has had a sniffle of felt a bit tired swears that they’ve had Covid19. Maybe, but more likely not. Some forget that it’s been little over a month since cases started appearing. How likely is it that we had a low flu season AND a new coronavirus spreading silently? It’s worth noting that the number of deaths lag the infections by about 3 weeks and even those experiencing symptoms are five days after infection. Dial the UK back 3 weeks and we’d just had our first death.
Different countries’ varied death rate reflects the society – Average health (obesity rates, age, etc), when the first infections happened, number and range of international travellers, hygiene response, hospital care provision, household generational makeup and finally restricted freedom.
The case fatality rate is still unknown. We still don’t know how many cases there are, let alone how many silent ones there could be. Government actions today are a recognition of how bad it will be in 3 weeks. That includes how many hospital beds might still be vacant.
cold spring-
“Brutal spring frosts destroy crops across Europe
March 30, 2020
A severe and extensive swathe of sub-zero temperatures has engulfed much of Europe, ravaging farmers’ fields throughout Northern Italy, much of Poland, and the Ukraine”
That seems surprising that in Poland and Ukraine they have already planted at the end of March.
In much of the northern tier of the US, date of average last frost is April or May.
I will re-post here the comment I left at Spencer’s blog.
Data like Euromomo cannot at the moment really guide any decision. Mortality data will take months to make sense. Euromomo simply reports whatever numbers the member countries send, and the problem in a situation in which mortality explodes is that even death registries or however you call them may no longer work properly.
Of course, it may be that mortality only explodes in some regions or countries, but the problem remains: these regions or countries no longer send reliable data. The 7,000 coronavirus deaths that you mention may simply not have been recorded by Euromomo.
This news report claimed that Covid-19 mortality in Spain has been greater than registered, based on the same data that gets fed to Euromomo:
https://elpais.com/sociedad/2020-03-27/el-coronavirus-causa-mas-muertes-de-las-detectadas.html
I don’t think the article’s point has been proved at all; as I said, proper mortality analysis will need months. But the article really buries the lede.
Look at the charts. For Castilla y León, by March 24 (end of “week 12”, or close) mortality is returning to normal levels, from a very abnormal spike a few days earlier. This is absurd: Covid-19 deaths were still increasing after that day. Instead, what seems to have happened is that the region stopped properly recording deaths. The same goes for Castilla-La Mancha.
But the real problem comes with Madrid. This region has 14% of the country’s population, so on a typical day it should see about 170 deaths. But it has suffered nearly half of the Covid-19 deaths so far in Spain. In fact, if “week 12” corresponds to March 18-24, then the region saw about as many deaths from Covid-19 as from all other causes combined!
And yet from March 17 on it reports *lower* than normal mortality, which is absolutely impossible. The mortality data from that day on is useless. Just to be clear, this doesn’t mean there is any attempt by the authorities to cover up fatalities; it just means everybody is overwhelmed.
I agree that shutting down everything is a caveman’s response. Ideally each country should have millions and millions of tests, so that pretty everybody can be tested, and re-tested if necessary (although a person who has developed antibodies in principle only needs to be tested once). Test kits cost something like $20 per unit, so acquiring billions of them is still much cheaper than shutting down the economy. But in order to know what to do, you need information. Countries without sufficient testing are flying blind, and so is anyone who relies on recent mortality data.
Ummm No.
Spain, Italy, Germany, and the UK have all peaked with respect to NEW CASES.
Spain – https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/ and with 5,084 new cases the Spanish decline will be in its 4th day
Wrong, try looking at your own link.
This virus is as contagious as ordinary runny nose and as dangerous as Spanish flu.
https://www.facebook.com/yogamadretierra.org/videos/10221556295845617/
You do realize the Spanish Flu didn’t kill 50 Million people, don’t you?
Bacterial Super-infection due to unsanitary conditions, poor nutrition, poor hygiene, and lack of antibiotics killed people.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic
ROFL your own link says you are wrong … did you miss the words “not caused by the influenza virus acting alone”. Using your stupid definition almost no-one has died from covid19 because most will have died to secondaries.
You really should work for the national rifle association, your honor the people didn’t die from gunshot they bled to death and died from organ failure.
It is not amazing that this ‘season’ has been very mild for flu deaths as Europe has enjoyed an unusually mild winter, with almost no periods of prolonged deep cold outside regions which get such weather every winter.
The Covid outbreak did not start gathering pace until March, at which point the worst of the winter weather is almost invariably past.
So the actual figures are absolutely what you would expect, given the weather we have actually had.
2) Why are we not outraged and deathly afraid of the seasonal flu (-A and -B), given the widespread death that routinely occurs from those viruses that come around each season?
because the seasonal flu doesn’t spread so rapidly that it threatens to overwhelms the health care system. Ask NYC hospitals, for example, what the difference between the seasonal flu and the Wuhan virus is. There’s a reason the talk is of “flattening the curve” rather than “completely eliminating” it.
It does in my area. Not every year but probably 1 in 5 when flu shot is a miss match.
Diffie, a 61-year-old native of Tulsa, Oklahoma, made 13 albums and had more than 20 Top 10 hits to his credit, his publicist said. Sporting a mustache and mullet, his boot-scooting crowd-pleasers included the hits, “If the Devil Danced (In Empty Pockets)” and “Honky Tonk Attitude.”
Two days before his death, Diffie released a statement saying he had tested positive for coronavirus and was receiving treatment.
“My family and I are asking for privacy at this time. We want to remind the public and all my fans to be vigilant, cautious and careful during this pandemic,” the statement said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/29/us/joe-diffie-coronavirus-death-trnd/index.html
Guy didn’t look to healthy to start with.
Do not joke.
I’m not joking. Let’s get a little perspective and do the responsible thing by reporting what is actually happening. Unhealthy people and those with unhealthy lungs are the ones getting morbidly sick and dying.
He was obese, not morbidly, but probably a 100 pounds overweight. Did he smoke? Was he a heavy drinker? I agree that he did not look healthy.
Don’t know. But agreed he did not look to be in the best of health.
He certainly had all the earmarks of someone with potential underlying conditions: noticeably overweight which usually brings with it the possibility of higher blood pressure, diabetes, heart conditions, etc. If he smoked or drank (quite likely yes to both, given his profession and the venues he would likely frequently appear at) there is even more potential for underlying conditions. Also, given his profession, if he was on the road a lot, he likely wasn’t eating proper nutritious foods or getting quality sleep on a regular basis (more potential for underlying conditions). In short: not exactly a poster boy of good strong health/healthy living. That said, my condolences to his family, friends and fans for their loss.
Two days…that is pretty quick.
I guess it is better than lingering while suffering for a few weeks…but still…
Pandemonium In The Pacific: US Carrier Diverts To Guam As COVID-19 Cases Spike Among Crew https://www.zerohedge.com/health/unfolding-nightmare-pacific-us-carrier-diverts-guam-covid-19-cases-spike?fbclid=IwAR1v-bEf3vfZzcICXrIuywEeM_aqsUp66uWpfYTuTB03NlfHMWoA-aPqAzk
It is too bad the info will be restricted for a while, as this would be a good indication of what happens to young and healthy.
The Flu Vaccine used in the UK for the 2017/18 was ineffective against that winter’s Flu strain. As a result 50k “excess winter deaths” were reported in November 2018. So anything less for CV19 should lead to interesting discussions but won’t.
The UK authorities prefer to ignore the EWD issue, whether this winter changes anything remains to be seen.
Coronavirus = a cold. Even though gene insertion sequences were found in COVID19 in January, it’s still a cold. Colds usually drop sharply in March. That happened in a few countries, but almost-April is very late for this headline.
Why slow to ease?
Craven means so fearful that the danger is increased. The world’s craven response to this disease meant that many have avoided sunshine, needed for vitamin D making. This vitamin is needed for immune response. So all this quarantining has killed people and infected many.
Today, I also read a report listing zinc deficiency symptoms next to coronavirus symptoms from an emergency doctor. More than a dozen apiece and an exact 100% match. Zinc lozenges are cheap everywhere, but nobody makes much money pushing them.
France, Spain and especially Italy do not, repeat: not carry out autopsies in most cases where Covid 19 virus has been found. So absolutely no one knows for sure whether these patients actually die from or just with the virus being present by chance. Anybody who dies with Covid 19 found gets labeled “Corona – victim” and the case is closed. The deceased get cremated so we will never find out.
The Italian National Institute of Health examined several hundred death records that all recorded coronavirus as the cause of death, and found that 88% died of other causes.
Andromeda Strain level lockdown the elderly and immune-compromised … and let everyone else fend for themselves and go back to work … if you have an unknown serial killer targeting the residents of nursing homes would you lock down the entire town or the nursing homes …
depends on which would lose me the most votes in the next election
Jim,
You are not being truthful RE: the Tuskeegee Experiment. Either purposefully, or through IGNORANCE of the FACTS.
Penicillin was Discovered in 1928.
It was not first used in the the until 1942 (only 10 years into the study), however, it COULD and WOULD have cured many of the cases of Secondary and Latent Syphilis, that is a MEDICAL FACT.
Per the CDC a multiple week course of Penicillin can cure even latent or syphilis of unknown duration.
“A single intramuscular injection of long acting Benzathine penicillin G (2.4 million units administered intramuscularly) will cure a person who has primary, secondary or early latent syphilis. Three doses of long acting Benzathine penicillin G (2.4 million units administered intramuscularly) at weekly intervals is recommended for individuals with late latent syphilis or latent syphilis of unknown duration. Treatment will kill the syphilis bacterium and prevent further damage, but it will not repair damage already done.”
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/treatment.htm
2. The Public Health Service, NOT TUSKEEGEE administered the study, THE DOCTORS were white men — see picture
https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_686/MTYwMTkwNzk3MDA4ODcyODc1/webpnet-resizeimage-5-e.webp
3. More than once doctors told superiors it was unethical to not treat AFTER 1947 WHEN PENICILLIN became the OFFICIAL TREATMENT for Syphilis, the PHS refused to provide treatment.
You sir do not know what you are talking about.
This supports Spencer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwb5QzJY2-s from top virologist
He is asking to provide data and facts. Do not expect he will get any of it. Instead, his former University has cancelled his E-Mail account w/o any prior notice. There is something awkwardly weird ging on in Merkels New Reich.
Shutdown / lockdown probably reduces road deaths (fewer drivers on road), labour accidental deaths (fewer people at work). Lockdown probably reduces drug overdose deaths (that supply chain also disrupted).
On the other hand lockdown likely increases suicide deaths (anecdotal information on increased calls to helplines).
Overall, I agree with Roy that deaths will probably be net negative to normal seasonal rates.
The difference between Corona and seasonal ‘flu is in the way Corona hits frontline health workers, especially those highly skilled in ‘intubation’ with ventilators – involving looking down severely infected throat to insert tube into windpipe, then operate the machine properly for each patient’s unique air pressure needs.
Loss of frontline health workers (mostly nurse/ medics, some doctors) is the most serious problem, and many are dying from this, due to exposure to high viral load. New ones can not be trained overnite. No machine can do this work, yet at least.
Roy W. Spencer is totally correct, once again. This has been a vast over-reaction and panic. I have been saying from the beginning that this Covid-19 is a severe flu, it is not the Black Death. This sort of over-reaction is engendered by years of alarmist Climate propaganda that has conditioned people to think that every new moment will bear some new and horrendous danger which they are totally unequipped to deal with. People can deal with and always have dealt with daily fluctuations of 20C temperature but thinking that 2C rise in 100 years will kill them in the next ten years is the archetypal GlobalWarming theme. This hysterical thinking has now led to a self-induced Worldwide economic shutdown which will have far greater damage implications and will kill as many as the flu will, if not more.
And then there’s this:
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/
Does anyone else realize that the mortality rate for the flu and the Corona Virus are being calculated differently giving the Corona virus an artificially higher mortality. The flu rate is calculated By the CDC using ESTIMATED infections and Corona virus mortality is calculated using known hospitalizations. When the flu mortality is calculated using known Hospitalizations it has a mortality of near 4.5 percent.
Yes, a rational person here noted that some time ago. That doesn’t stop the alarmists from comparing apples to oranges if it supports their extremism.
Mortality rate is by confirmed cases not hospitalisations. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/
It requires a heap of analysis to determine actual mortality rates. The data available is too rubbery to be conclusive.
I have looked at that site for info very often, but I have noticed that there is no place they define the terms they use.
Like the category of serious and severe cases.
Is that the same as hospitalizations?
It seems it is not the same, and yet, someone in the hospital because of a respiratory tract infection would seem to be a fairly serious case. If it was a cold or flu it would have to be for a hospital to admit a patient.
Most people will not, at least in the US, go to a hospital UNLESS what they have is serious or severe.
Plus, it is for sure different countries collect and report info in different ways.
Flu has not, in our lifetime, caused hospitals to overflow, doctors and nurses to die from infections acquired from patients, or bodies to be stacking up like cordwood outside hospital back doors.
+1
You don’t get undertakers in Madrid organizing 6 times as many funerals as usual during a “normal” flu season.
OK, I am not a doctor nor do I have any medical training. Trying to slog through all your squabbling it seems you are in general agreement that zinc has some effectiveness in fighting this virus. My question is: Does it make medical sense to take zinc supplements as prophylactic for this virus? if so, in what dosage? What are its toxicity levels? I know where the vitamin store is, and that is something that any concerned citizen can do.
do you see any measurable downside to taking zinc (and C & D (and/or walking around for an half-hour without you shirt on))?
spend the twenty bucks if you have it and quadruple the recommend (dose every 6 hours); don’t forget to sweat on a regular basis.
(I’m not a doctor either … haven’t seen one in person for 20 years … fingers caught in hydraulics)
The recommended upper daily limit is 40-45 mg. You can take higher doses when sick. Zinc gluconate, citrate, acetate are well absorbed; zinc oxide not so much.
Roy Spencers (jumping out of area of expertise, why not, hey, everyone else is doing it) analysis of this data is way, way, too premature to mean much. I do see a point that seasonal flu should be treated much more seriously than it is. I never understood why people think it is okay to mix with others when they have flu symptoms (going to work etc.).
And, I can see how this whole discussion goes. We shut down everything, the deaths don’t reach astronomical figures and people will say, see, it was all overhyped.
if you don’t like the numbers slowing down, change the rules, include “suspected cases”, and be out of step with other countries, which presently only include confirmed, hospital deaths :
31 Mar: Guardian: Is the spread of coronavirus in the UK really slowing down?
UK data shows the number of new cases has fallen, but experts say only time will tell if this is a trend
by Nicola Davis
The epidemiologist Prof Neil Ferguson (Imperial College London) has said changes in the rate of hospital admissions suggests the spread of Covid-19 in the UK might be slowing down…
***From Tuesday, the Office of National Statistics will be publishing weekly data that includes deaths in the community…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/is-the-spread-of-coronavirus-in-the-uk-really-slowing-down
30 Mar: Guardian: Covid-19: deaths outside hospitals to be included in UK tally for first time
ONS to publish additional data but chief medical officer doesn’t expect a large increase in reported deaths
by Robert Booth, Matthew Weaver and Pamela Duncan
The reported death toll from coronavirus in the UK is set to increase beyond the NHS’s daily tally on Tuesday when fatalities outside of hospitals are counted for the first time…
They will tally all of the deaths from late December until 20 March which they believe occurred outside hospitals.
“It will be based on mentions of Covid-19 on death certificates,” said a spokeswoman for the ONS. “It will include suspected cases of Covid-19 where someone has not been tested positive for Covid-19.”…
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/covid-19-deaths-outside-hospitals-to-be-included-in-uk-tally-for-first-time