The Guardian: Patriotic “New Nationalism” is Required to Drive Solidarity and Acceptance of Climate Action

Roosevelt and Bismark
President Theodore Roosevelt and German Chancellor Otto von Bismarck

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Guardian author, we need to re-awaken the spirit of social imperialism, like Bismark’s German social security programmes or Theodore Roosevelt’s “New Nationalism”, to create broad acceptance of big government green new deal style efforts to rescue Capitalism from itself.

Patriotism could be the unlikely answer to solving the climate crisis

Anatol Lieven
Sun 15 Mar 2020 06.00 AEDT

Last week’s budget was a missed opportunity: we need to mobilise our attachment to country

This need for social solidarity links the green new deal to the patriotic origins of the welfare state. Both conservatives and socialists have agreed in attributing the welfare state to socialism; conservatives because they have come to dislike it, the left because they want to claim all credit for it.

In fact, the origins of the British welfare state lie very largely in the social imperialism movement in the years before 1914. The supporters of this movement were an extraordinarily varied bunch: H G Wells, George Bernard Shaw and Sidney and Beatrice Webb on the left; liberal imperialists such as Winston Churchill and William Beveridge; patriotic writers including Rudyard Kipling and Arthur Conan Doyle; imperial bureaucrats such as Lord Milner and John Buchan; and soldiers including Field Marshal Lord Roberts. Their thinking echoed, in key respects, Bismarck’s social security programme in Germany and the reformist “new nationalism” of Theodore Roosevelt in the US.

What all these figures had in common was a fear of social disintegration and revolution; a belief (right or wrong) in the British Empire as a force for progress; and a belief that social solidarity, “national efficiency”, and a degree of national self-sufficiency were essential to survive what they (correctly) saw would be the colossal social, economic and political strains of a new European war.

The task then is to mobilise patriotism by convincing national populations that global heating is a threat, not just to humanity and the planet but to the interests and the future survival of their own countries; and that society, as a whole, will pull together, alleviate suffering and make sacrifices as part of a common effort.

If we can’t manage this I very much doubt that liberal democracy will survive what is coming at us down the line.

Anatol Lieven is the author of Climate Change and the Nation State: The Realist Case

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Invoking patriotism and nationalism to unite Conservatives and Liberals into acceptance of big government socialism, to solve the climate crisis. What could possibly go wrong?

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Ron Long
March 15, 2020 6:31 am

Good grief, Eric, this posting is disturbing in many aspects. How far has the British (OK, the USA also) culture descended into chaos to even make these kinds of statements, by Lievin, in open public forum? The USA copied the Second Amendment from the British, and it offers a lot of protection against this outright proposed tyranny, and I wonder if our British homeland still remembers this? This level of dysfunctional fear of Global Warming is the responsibility of left wing kooks and their cooperative media. How can any scientist present rational data to someone this far gone? By the way, Roosevelts New Deal was, although not good, a far cry from the German descent into Nazisim. Good grief! I need a drink.

Reply to  Ron Long
March 15, 2020 6:40 am

Wrong Roosevelt, Ron!

Ron Long
Reply to  Newminster
March 15, 2020 9:49 am

You’re right, Newminster, my bad! Theodore introduced New Nationalism in 1910 and argued for human rights over property rights. Still a long way from the Nazis.

Reply to  Ron Long
March 15, 2020 12:00 pm

The problem is that without property rights, there are no human rights.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  MarkW
March 15, 2020 4:51 pm

The right to own property is a human right.

A “right” is a freedom of action on the part of an individual requiring that does not require permission from any other person.

All living things have rights in the sense that none of their actions require permission. The actions identified as human rights pertain to human beings.

Gary Wescom
Reply to  Ron Long
March 15, 2020 7:17 am

Hmm.. Nationalism and Socialism in one package. Didn’t some country already try that? What was it? National Socialism Party… Wasn’t that Germany in the 1930’s?

John the Econ
Reply to  Gary Wescom
March 15, 2020 9:02 am

Could these people be any less self-aware?

Reply to  John the Econ
March 15, 2020 10:01 am

Nope. Self-awareness is not a failing of the Left, and certainly not of the Regressive Left. They think doublethink is a good thing….

Reply to  John the Econ
March 16, 2020 11:31 am

It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Reply to  Gary Wescom
March 15, 2020 3:15 pm

Well, if they try it in England they’ll have to come up with a catchy acronym. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was INGSOC.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkH
March 16, 2020 2:15 am

Double plus good!

Gunga Din
Reply to  Gary Wescom
March 17, 2020 2:32 pm

Don’t forget Russia!
That’s what Stalin did after Barbarossa.

Reply to  Ron Long
March 15, 2020 8:18 am

The way things are working out, some speculation is warranted around what would have happened if Germany were allowed to develop their atomic program and they used atomic weapons on the U.K or if Russia were allowed to take over all of Germany? Would perhaps modern U.K. and German citizens have a better appreciation of capitalism?

Instead, we have thousands of Loydos seemingly everywhere that have little or no sense whatsoever.

Reply to  Ron Long
March 15, 2020 8:38 am

Here is the core falsehood of this article, THE BIG LIE:

“The task then is to mobilise patriotism by convincing national populations that global heating is a threat, not just to humanity and the planet but to the interests and the future survival of their own countries; and that society, as a whole, will pull together, alleviate suffering and make sacrifices as part of a common effort.”

“GLOBAL HEATING” IS NOT A THREAT. Global cooling is.

March 15, 2020 9:10 am

“GLOBAL HEATING” OMG that sounds so much worse than global warming ! OK, I now realise how serious it is and we much act NOW! Where can I send you all my money?

The Guardian are a laughing stock. They have gone from being one of the most respected investigative journalism organisations in the UK to being a vulgar sensational taboid.

Their front page yesterday ( as for the last few weeks ) was CORONA VIRUS + CORONA VIRUS + CORONA VIRUS + CORONA VIRUS + CORONA VIRUS +




They got so breathless they even forgot the obligatory “climate du jour” article. Apparently unable to link CO2 to CORONA VIRUS !

Pat Frank
March 15, 2020 9:39 am

The lie, Allan, is that they actually mean what they say. Doesn’t “alleviate suffering and make sacrifices as part of a common effort.” sound just splendid? Only a grinch can argue with that.

But the saying is not the doing.

When the ilk of Anatol Lieven get into power, they alleviate the suffering of the few by imposing suffering on the many. And sacrificing for the common effort means forcing people into lives of torture in slave labor gulags.

Anatol Lieven counsels enslavement to the state. Slavery for thee, control by me is Anatol Lieven’s message. Let no one be deceived.

Reply to  Pat Frank
March 15, 2020 10:09 am

Correct Pat – I called it in 2012.

Patrick Moore called it in 1994.

I called it in 2012 – see my post below.

The global warming/climate change scam was never about the climate.

It was apparent years ago that the global warming alarmists were knowingly deceiving us – no rational person could be that stupid for that long – and they must have a covert agenda.

That covert agenda is now clear – it is totalitarian control of society and personal profit based on the climate scam.

The global warming alarmists’ once-covert agenda is now fully exposed and the evidence is everywhere – the USA Democrats are shouting it from the rooftops.

Anyone who still questions the warmists’ treasonous agenda now is corrupted, delusional or both.


Instead of arguing about the science of global warming, we should just listen to what these enviro radicals are actually SAYING and DOING.

Maybe they know their global warming science is bogus, but it suits their purpose to use global warming hysteria as a smokescreen to mask their true intentions.

The radical warmists have done everything in their power to starve the world of fossil fuel energy that is required for continued global prosperity.
They have squandered a trillion dollars of scarce global resources on catastrophic humanmade global warming (CAGW) nonsense.

Investing these squandered resources in clean drinking water and sanitation alone would have saved the ~50 million kids who died from drinking contaminated water in the past 25+ years of CAGW hysteria.

Intelligent use of these scarce global resources could have easily saved as many people as were killed in the atrocities of Hitler, Stalin, or Mao.
50 million people died in Hitler’s WW2. Josef Stalin killed another 50 million of his own people in internal purges. Leftist hero Mao gets the prize, killing as many as 80 million Chinese during his Great Leap Backward.

The radical environmental movement has done equally well, rivaling Mao for fatalities caused by the banning of DDT and the misallocation of scarce global resources on the fraud of catastrophic humanmade global warming.

Since many of these enviro radicals are latter-day Malthusians, Club of Rome types, etc., it is reasonable to assume that THIS WAS THEIR INTENTION.
Is this too radical a proposal? Well, NO it is not: In addition to what the radical enviros DO, let’s EXAMINE what they SAY (h/t to Wayne):

”My three goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with its full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
David Foreman,
co-founder of Earth First!

”A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.”
Ted Turner,
Founder of CNN and major UN donor

The prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.”
Jeremy Rifkin,
Greenhouse Crisis Foundation

”Giving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”

”The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.”
Sir James Lovelock,
BBC Interview

”We need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination… So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements and make little mention of any doubts… Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest.”
Stephen Schneider,
Stanford Professor of Climatology,
Lead author of many IPCC reports

”Unless we announce disasters no one will listen.”
Sir John Houghton,
First chairman of the IPCC

”It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
Paul Watson,
Co-founder of Greenpeace

”Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.”
David Brower,
First Executive Director of the Sierra Club

”We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.”
Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation

”No matter if the science of global warming is all phony… climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”
Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment

”The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
Emeritus Professor Daniel Botkin

”Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
Maurice Strong,
Founder of the UN Environmental Program

”A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-Development means bringing our economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies,
Author: “Population Bomb”, “Ecoscience”

”If I were reincarnated I would wish to return to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels.”
Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh,
husband of Queen Elizabeth II,
Patron of the Patron of the World Wildlife Foundation

”The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States. We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization we have in the US. We have to stop these third World countries right where they are.”
Michael Oppenheimer
Environmental Defense Fund

”Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.”
Professor Maurice King

”Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, air-conditioning, and suburban housing – are not sustainable.”
Maurice Strong,
Rio Earth Summit

”Complex technology of any sort is an assault on the human dignity. It would be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy, because of what we might do with it.”
Amory Lovins,
Rocky Mountain Institute

”I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. it played an important part in balancing ecosystems.”
John Davis,
Editor of Earth First! Journal


March 16, 2020 12:22 pm

These people are insane. Paul Ehrlich particularly so:

A few days after we landed on the moon 50 years ago, Stanford professor Paul Ehrlich forecast that we would disappear in a cloud of blue steam within 20 years. Ehrich is John Holdren’s close associate, and Holdren was Obama’s science advisor.”

March 16, 2020 4:38 pm

You are correct Matthew – insane or extremely deceitful – don’t rule out the latter.

Note that every scary prediction the warmists have made, more than 50 of them, has failed to happen, but that does not stop them – they just fabricate 50 more falsehoods.

The warmists actually have a covert agenda and they KNOW they are lying to us. Nobody could be this stupid for this long.

March 16, 2020 7:06 pm

The worst of them are indeed deceitful, using the do-gooders to further their own totalitarian visions of utopia; namely, a world with only a few humans left, most of whom are slaves of the elite, kept in ignorance.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Ron Long
March 15, 2020 10:42 am

this posting is disturbing in many aspects.

Shur nuff, …… and I find this the most disturbing, to wit:

Anatol Lieven – Sun 15 Mar 2020 06.00 AEDT

The task then is to mobilise patriotism by convincing national populations that global heating is a threat, not just to humanity and the planet but to the interests and the future survival of their own countries; and that society, as a whole, will pull together, alleviate suffering and make sacrifices as part of a common effort.

“HA”, Anatol Lieven is a day late and a dollar short.

The governments have already convinced their national populations that the Coronavirus is a pandemic threat to humanity and the planet, which has scared the bejesus (sh–) out of them, thus causing a panic buying of toilet paper.

Those “scared silly” people are demanding that their government (Politicians) save them, SAVE THEM, SAVE THEM, …….. and are willing to do anything they are told.

March 15, 2020 6:34 am

Seriously. No matter how you dress the pig it remains a pig. Socialism simply doesn’t work. Full stop. Whenever it’s failures become manifest and thus impossible to ignore free markets are always the reform solution. Google China economy.

Can’t sell the red one paint it green and try again and again and again. The price of liberty is unending vigilance.

Reply to  Troe
March 15, 2020 12:04 pm

As long as the supply of other people’s money doesn’t run out, socialism appears to work to those who are on the receiving end of all the stuff stolen by government. It takes decades for OPM to run out. Long enough for those on the receiving end to convince themselves that the good times will never end and that the only problem is that the rich still have too much stuff.
PS: This is why the government has to destroy the notion of property rights. It makes it easier for them to seize whatever they want in order to keep buying votes from the myrmidons.

Matthew Sykes
March 15, 2020 6:35 am

Eco-fascism. At least they finally admit people like Bismark, the Prussian who supporters, friends, and colleagues voted the Nazis into power when the Prussian Conservative Party closed down and transferred its votes to Hitler are their heroes.

Dear oh god

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
March 15, 2020 7:19 am

Yes, what unfolded in the new 20th C following the wonderful social changes in Germany was horrible. The Guardo threw in Roosevelt number one for ‘inclusivity’ only. The US didn’t change. They had to rescue Europe’s @$$€$ twice in the first half of the century after the wonderful social experiments. At least the author proudly accepts what socialism has done though he makes no mention of two world wars.

This new wave of love Europe has for moldy old socialism is already bearing similar fruit.

Reply to  Matthew Sykes
March 15, 2020 7:51 am

One of my favorite sites is quote investigator (QI). With regard to your comment QI provides us with a twofer.

When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag.


Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.

Patriotism is important. On the other hand, people who invoke patriotism to bolster their cause are often schysters of the first magnitude.

Charles Perry
Reply to  commieBob
March 15, 2020 8:47 am

Actually, these days the last refuge of scoundrels is the race card.

Reply to  Charles Perry
March 15, 2020 12:05 pm

It’s also the first refuge.

March 15, 2020 6:38 am

From the era of The White Man’s Burden

Reply to  kamas716
March 15, 2020 8:08 am

Incorporating the innate racism of the left. The po’ black man needs special, extra help…..

March 15, 2020 6:48 am

This, in the Grauniad, is code for “we know hoi polloi is at least informed enough to know that UK action on CO2 emission reduction is utterly pointless in the face of the massive emissions in the East and Africa. So let’s at least try to leverage their Little Englander mindset. Come on – let’s stick it to Johnny Foreigner by making flights and heating our homes unaffordable. We can beat him in our race back to the pre-industrial age”

March 15, 2020 7:06 am

Anatol Lieven wrote, “The task then is to mobilise patriotism by convincing national populations that global heating is a threat….”

Global heating? Oy!


Gary Pearse
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
March 15, 2020 1:13 pm

Bob they have argued that it’s climate change, not global warming and then they define climate change as … global warming. The ‘target’ is preventing 1.5C of warming! The Guardian editor has banned use of global warming so … ‘heating’!

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 15, 2020 7:27 am

As man-made climate change does not exist Anatol’s book ‘The Realist Case’ can’t be very realistic.

Paul R. Johnson
March 15, 2020 7:32 am

And Prof. Lieven subtitled his book “The Realist Case”? More like “The Nut Case”.

March 15, 2020 7:39 am

Unite to save the world while holding your nose and lose freedom is a shuck N jive way of deception.

When was anyone thinking of global warming or climate change when those famous politicians and writers were alive?

Who cares what their philosophy of life was enough to change our way of life. It is the founders of this country and the founding documents that count for a good life, not socialism and all its vices.

A democratic president said the constitution is too limiting. The founders viewed it as limiting government and limiting the abuse of government on the people.

John K Sutherland.
March 15, 2020 7:39 am

I constantly go back and re-read Terence Corcoran’s words in the NATIONAL POST (Canada) from many years ago, regarding the Kyoto Protocol that began this idiocy. They are still true.

‘Politicians in general, live in another world. We have calls for action that might not work, to achieve ends that cannot be achieved, to meet a threat that might not exist.’

And I can add…. ‘concerning a subject they know absolutely nothing about’.

March 15, 2020 7:46 am

At least they’re not even trying to pretend this isn’t about socialism anymore.

March 15, 2020 7:50 am

Nationalism and Socialism, make it simple :

The Guardian is pushing NAZI propaganda.

Nothing else.

Reply to  Petit_Barde
March 15, 2020 12:07 pm

Also nothing new

March 15, 2020 7:57 am

Things are getting pretty messy with contemporary politics. One of the things that concerns me is that we should give a damn about our people, but socialism just hasn’t worked in history. It doesn’t really suit human nature – you work hard, you deserve the reward for it. But it feels like our society should have more social rewards for people who do good for their community. In Ancient Greece, the rich would often pay for renovations, theatre performances, parks, etc for the entire community, but it was viewed as an honour! Why can’t we get back to that?
If someone in the UK stepped up and fixed the major homeless issue we’re facing, that person would have my respect for life, and I’d feel far more inclined to actually trust them in local elections or to help them out if they needed a favour. If their job is something demanding, that required a lot of training and dedication, I would naturally expect them to be paid more than me because they worked for it!

March 15, 2020 8:05 am

“New Nationalism” is Required to Drive Solidarity and Acceptance of Climate Action”

Yes sir, of course but this kind of nationalism is not new.
It has always been needed since time immemorial for driving solidarity in the acceptance of a noble cause.

Bryan A
Reply to  chaamjamal
March 15, 2020 8:30 am

Funny I thought that the Liberals were bashing President Trump over their feared view of his perceived Nationalistic tendencies

March 15, 2020 8:09 am

Patriotism, from the Graun… 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Rich Davis
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
March 15, 2020 9:14 am

Rally round the red and gold—hammer and sickle flag beloved by the Grauniad. All you naysayers who badmouth glorious socialism refuse to recognize that true socialism has never been tried. Capitalist imposters like Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot won’t trick our brilliant younger generation into abandoning the hope of humankind.

March 15, 2020 8:20 am

These climate changers are getting desperate for attention now Covid19 has blown them off the airwaves.

A bit hard to compete with your regurgitated tipping point bogeyman in another 10 years time when there’s a real bogeyman here and now. I suppose it makes sense for leftys to give the old National Socialism a belting again if the deplorables don’t like the look of their current commies.

One thing with a good old fashioned pandemic it could shake belief in Big Gummint to wipe asses all the time if it hasn’t already. Seems their coddled snowflakes are pooping themselves everywhere if the run on toilet paper is any guide. Don’t ass what your Gummint can doodoo for you but what you can doodoo yourself.

Reply to  observa
March 15, 2020 9:06 am

I await the “science” that claims the current Wuhan flu pandemic was caused by or made worse by “climate change”, You know it’s coming.

Reply to  rah
March 16, 2020 10:56 am

Ironically current medical experts expect it to actually diminish with the warm summer weather. 😀

John Bell
March 15, 2020 8:26 am

It seems that the climate crusaders think that “climate action” will somehow ‘soak the rich’ and also that the crusaders themselves will never have to give up any luxuries or be at all inconvenienced, because it will come from the top down and energy will simply start being “green” in a smooth, seamless transition. Crazies.

March 15, 2020 8:32 am

So they want National Socialism?

Don’t know much history, I guess.

Rod Evans
March 15, 2020 8:46 am

My advice to all remains the same, never click on any article from the Guardian, do not give them any click count that will boost their numbers and aid their advertising efforts.
The Guardian is the modern day Pravda of the West. Its contributors are so brainwashed they now come out with anything, no matter how crazy it might be, so long as they believe it will further their misplaced beliefs.
Never forget, the Guardian gives people as mixed up and downright barmy as George Monbiot column inches.
Don’t even go there.

March 15, 2020 9:01 am

So here we go again. Spending their effort trying to sell the scam instead of actually doing science to validate their claims. It’s really all they’ve got! They have tried one tactic after another to try and convince us that we’re all going to die if we don’t revert to living in mud huts and the people have not bought it and aren’t going to! The weak give it lip service but are unwilling to sacrifice and will remain so until the day comes that at least some of the multitude of disaster prophesies they’ve claimed actually come to pass. And yet the globalists/ socialists continue to try and sell their snake oil. They are so pathetic.

J Mac
March 15, 2020 9:09 am

The farce is strong in this one….

michael hart
March 15, 2020 9:20 am

Same old same old.

These people convince themselves that they hold some high moral virtues for the improvement of the human condition. In practice they believe in nothing, other than doing and saying whatever is necessary to gain power.

Killer Marmot
March 15, 2020 9:30 am

World War I gave Woodrow Wilson all the excuses he needed to crack down on individual and economic freedoms. So too did the Greate Depression for Franklin Roosevelt. America has never been as close to full-blown authoritarian rule as those times.

Authoritarians: Always looking for a reason.

March 15, 2020 9:38 am

Well, the usual question.

Do they think a New Nationalism (with Chinese characteristics) is required? Or is this New Nationalism confined to the West, and probably to the UK and US.

In short, is it directed at those doing 75% and rising of the emissions they are so worried about? Or is their worry confined to the emissions from those doing 25% and falling?

The Guardian keeps proclaiming it is a European and not simply British or English medium. But when you come down to it, its reads like the Board still think it is 1910 and Britain is the main economic power and driver of world events. Because never do you find any acknowledgment of the fact that Britain now is a small island off the coast of Europe, doing a few hundred thousand tons a year of CO2 emissions, in a world that’s doing 37 billion and rising.

And its a country that no-one is watching or listening to. The G needs to get a grip on the fact that Britain cannot lead the world or set an example. Its not 1910, guys. Believe me, that was 100 years ago. Please wake up!

They are more stuck in the past than the Telegraph, by far.

Reply to  michel
March 15, 2020 10:43 am

Sorry, the UK actually does of course 450 million tons out of the world total of 37 billion. Same point applies. Should have said a few hundred million. Reach of fingers exceeded attention span of brain…

March 15, 2020 9:50 am

Talking to a local in an English pub he said that he had been coming to this pub for 35 years, if he brought a guardian news paper inside it would be his last visit.

Reply to  nottoobrite
March 16, 2020 3:09 am

A local newsagent in Bude offered me a free copy of The Observer if I bought the Saturday Graun. I replied that I never bought either. He laughed and told me he literally couldn’t give the paper away. No one is buying the Graun these days, apart from the BBC.

Rhys Jaggar
March 15, 2020 9:51 am

I think you will find that a huge majority of the world do NOT read the Guardian and many of us who read it in decades past stopped doing so when it became clear that it was the home of the woke, pseudo-leftie metrosexual self-righteous prats of the Western World.

I do not read a single Guardian article any more, so they cannot influence me in any way.

The easiest way to stop the Guardian having influence is to campaign to have people stop reading it.

No coercion, just convince them. A bit like giving up smoking.

Stop doing something that is bad for your emotional health……..

oebele bruinsma
March 15, 2020 10:05 am

The great divide lies between those who value data and facts, thus using their brains to think individually in other words the non-zealots also known as deplorables and the zealots who use the slogan: the Party is always right therefore followers lack the urgency to think for themselves. The Party be it the Democratic Party, a Socialist Party, a Communist Party it is the “Group think” which will kill our Western Democracies.

March 15, 2020 10:13 am

The Guardian?


Gerry, England
March 15, 2020 10:14 am

The end of liberal democracy? Oh, good. Bring it on.

March 15, 2020 10:49 am

Something has gone very wrong when the Guardian says anything good about nationalism, imperialism or patriotism. Someone must have doctored the office water supply!

March 15, 2020 11:12 am

Like CO2, national patriotism can do anything. Even in my neck of the woods, teeny rural VT towns are now forming CUD’s (Communication Union District) with the idea of making a larger more attractive market for service providers. The funny thing is they claim that taxes won’t rise because of this and all funding comes from user fees and grants. Guess where the grants come from? Now we are busy building yet another bureaucracy which will live for-ever, with all it’s associated costs, because data.

I even got an email from CORI (Center for Rural Innovation, a 501c3 non-profit located in Heartland VT) which is “building rural innovation hubs in small towns” and is managing the implementation of these CUDs. They have staff titles which I cannot even decipher as to what exactly they get paid to do.
Of course they get State of VT grants too.

March 15, 2020 11:55 am

Nationalism is the last resort of Scoundrels.

March 15, 2020 11:58 am

Reminds me of the left wing definition of bi-partisanship:
Republicans and Democrats working together to pass the Democrats agenda.

Ben Vorlich
March 15, 2020 12:07 pm

Two points about European Universal Declaration of Human Rights can be seen as part of a wider response of the Allied Powers in delivering a human rights agenda through which it was believed that the most serious human rights violations which had occurred during the Second World War could be avoided in the future. Second, the Convention was a response to the growth of Communism in Central and Eastern Europe and designed to protect the member states of the Council of Europe from communist subversion.

Churchill was in favour and a supporter, but for several reasons the British public never liked it or the associated ECHR, and plan to withdraw. I hope no karma is involved, especially with suggestions like this

Pat in calgary
March 15, 2020 12:16 pm

Currently the idiots are in control in Canada, we have drunk so much climate coolaid the federal cabinet should be rainbow colored

March 15, 2020 12:17 pm

If you guys do not understand that the covid and climatism are working in lock-steps… hence all those articles using covid to suspend democracy, just as they wanted to do it for climate.
This is it.
The 1984 coup d’etat is unfolding under our eyes. 2020 is the year.
I recall how you all celebrated in 2009 after climategate.
You were wrong.
They have declared war on people. Curfew is coming and repression too.

March 15, 2020 1:50 pm

The People will provide the nationalism. The Leftists will provide the socialism. In service of Profits and prophecy. Progress.

Dave O.
March 15, 2020 2:15 pm

If the object is to destroy a country from within, then yes, this is one way to do it.

High Treason
March 15, 2020 2:25 pm

Truly Orwellian semantic manipulation. The left never have REAL evidence, so twisting around words to confuse us in to submission is how they get their insane way. Their way, being based on very rickety foundations eventually collapses in to a screaming and extremely painful heap.

Serge Wright
March 15, 2020 2:42 pm

This new call for left wing nationalism is obviously an admission from the progressive movement that their strategy of being anti-nationalistic, in order to destabilise society and seek change through that destabilisation, is not working. For many years now we have heard the same old lines that colonialism is bad, white people are bad, capitalism is bad, which are all part of a strategy to convince the people that their country’s culture is toxic and is the root cause of every conceivable problem facing the world today.

The problem for the progressives is that people know that western culture is in fact good and not only lifts people from poverty within their own country, but provides the capacity to support people in other countries in times of peril. The other problem with this strategy is that it it offensive to many people who understand the values of western culture and therefore acts to drive these people away from the progressive agenda, which tends to become a voice for minority groups that are seeking to find a cause in which to become a victim. So, whilst the progressive strategy has successfully divided society by race and gender, it has not succeeded to bring down western society and provide the reset mechanism for a socialist – totalitarian state.

It’s therefore no surprise that Trump based his electoral campaign on nationalism and capitalism. The MAGA slogan that was used so effectively by Trump to harness that lost sense of nationalism was the key to his victory. No doubt he will use this same approach in November, but it will be interesting to see how the new virus impacts the public mood and therefore the electoral outcome.

March 15, 2020 2:55 pm

Why did my comment not get posted? That’s the second of two i’ve ever posted (the first was drawing attention to an error in your AGW guide). Please find the following:

>>This, in the Grauniad, is code for “we know hoi polloi is at least informed enough to know that UK action on CO2 emission reduction is utterly pointless in the face of the massive emissions in the East and Africa. So let’s at least try to leverage their Little Englander mindset. Come on – let’s stick it to Johnny Foreigner by making flights and heating our homes unaffordable. We can beat him in our race back to the pre-industrial age”<<

This will be my last attempt without success to post on this site

Louis Hunt
March 15, 2020 3:41 pm

“…society, as a whole, will pull together, alleviate suffering and make sacrifices as part of a common effort.”

Now that gives us a clue as to what the real agenda is. Climate change for many of these people is simply the means to an end. The ultimate goal being the institution of global government. You can’t make sacrifices part of a common effort without a global governing authority to enforce compliance on all countries “fairly and equitably.” Never mind whether the sacrifices are actually required or not. The sacrifices will include the banning of fossil fuels to combat climate change. But the real goal will be to reduce the population (which will occur automatically if fossil fuels are banned) and to remove liberty and Democracy from those who survive. One thing’s for sure though. The governing elites will not have to make any sacrifices whatsoever. They are always exempt. And useful idiots like Anatol Lieven assume they will be part of the governing elite. That’s why they want to impose this all-powerful global authority on the rest of us. If they didn’t have climate change, they would invent another crisis as a means to their ends.

Tom Abbott
March 15, 2020 3:50 pm

From the article: “If we can’t manage this [brainwashing of the citizens] I very much doubt that liberal democracy will survive what is coming at us down the line.”

There is nothing coming down the line at us that hasn’t happened before. We are still here.

The real threat to democracy is the Big Lie of CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming).

March 15, 2020 4:35 pm

How apropos that a national socialist context would elicit advertisements from Planned Parenthood corporation.

John in Oz
March 15, 2020 6:27 pm

Look up famous people who were eugenicists then decide if you wish to tailor society on their ‘wisdom’.

You will find such illustrious names as:
H.G. Wells – “The way of nature has always been to slay the hindmost, and there is still no other way, unless we can prevent those who would become the hindmost being born. It is in the sterilization of failures, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies.”

Helen Keller – “It is the possibility of happiness, intelligence and power that give life its sanctity, and they are absent in the case of a poor, misshapen, paralyzed, unthinking creature,”

George Bernard Shaw – “The moment we face it frankly we are driven to the conclusion that the community has a right to put a price on the right to live in it … If people are fit to live, let them live under decent human conditions. If they are not fit to live, kill them in a decent human way.”

Winston Churchill – ‘The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate … I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed.”

Theodore Roosevelt – “Some day we will realize that the prime duty – the inescapable duty – of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his or her blood behind him in the world; and that we have no business to permit the perpetuation of citizens of the wrong type. at all.”


March 15, 2020 8:20 pm

Hopefully, at least, they will have the trains running on time.

March 16, 2020 2:09 am

Many of the names in the Guardian article also supported eugenics.

How did that pan out?

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