Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr Willie Soon, h/t Liberty Sentinel; what kind of sick person publicly celebrates the possibility that all their political opponents will die a horrible death? The answer is a journalist who works for mainstream British media, of course.
Coronavirus can trigger a new industrial revolution
The disease could be the shock we need to harness new technology and new ways of working
Ed Conway Thursday March 05 2020, 5.00pm GMT, The Times
Don’t take this the wrong way but if you were a young, hardline environmentalist looking for the ultimate weapon against climate change, you could hardly design anything better than coronavirus.
Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate sceptics. It spares the young. Most of all, it stymies the forces that have been generating greenhouse gases for decades. Deadly enough to terrify; containable enough that aggressive quarantine measures can prevent it from spreading. The rational response for any country determined to prevent loss of life is to follow China’s lead and lock down their economy to stem its spread.
And so airlines are cancelling flights; companies are scrapping travel. Factories in China and, …
Read more (paywalled): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-has-a-silver-lining-cz8wpc6xj
Going by the web link, the original title of the article was “Coronavirus has a silver lining”.
The rest of the article is paywalled, and I don’t want to give an organization which would employ someone who could write something like that any financial support whatsoever, but I think we get the idea.
This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.
This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.
Sleepy Joe repeating himself……But then it could be me Too!
He wouldn’t be a journalist if he wasn’t an enemy of the people.
My letter to the Times in response to this:
My letter to the Times:
I think your writer might need professional help .. to suggest that the death of our aged scientists is a good idea in order to justify hyper-climatism is to say the least extremely callous and totally without depth. To wish to kill off our older generation in order to satisfy one’s own agenda is really not a healthy outlook.
Older scientists are probably much more qualified than your writer, whom I note has only degrees in English and Public Administration. Hardly qualified one would think to even comment on the science, let alone want a death wish for those who have spent an entire lifetime studying the subject.
+ 10
Ed should be a little more concerned. Pandemics often spread faster among idiot clusters.
We skeptics wish Conway a long life so that he may live to regret his words that will surely come back to haunt and humiliate him.
Bernie is how old?
Same as Senile Joe.
In reply to Steve Milloy (JunkScience) Mr Conway pleads his suggestion has been taken out of context:
Steve Milloy @Steve Milloy · Mar 7
Sick… Sky News economics editor Ed Conway writes in @TheTimes that climate activists should embrace #coronavirus because:
“Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate septics.”
Twisted.
Ed Conway @EdConwaySky · Mar 7
How Twitter works:
1. Post link to rather nuanced column. Get a few retweets.
2. Angry man takes quotes from article out of context and calls you “Sick!” & “Twisted!” Hundreds of retweets.
3. Multiple people tweet that they hope you get COVID-19 and die.
Happy weekend everyone!
The left claim the moral high ground but always show their true colours as sewer dwellers.
agreed
So he thinks the younger generation will magically invent a cure for AGW? I think he’s a bit out of touch with generation “Look at me, me me me me, I want it now!!!” They are often too busy gawping in to their smart phones and instant interweb feeds, y’know, that the older generations of engineers designed and made for them. You are lucky to find a millennial in a long term job and you will almost always find them moaning to management about their pathetic wages while doing absolutely nothing productive.
My comment is based on my observations over the recent decade or so.
There is one more name to add to my “Hope they get corona” list.
So they’re getting their wish. Manufacturing down, flights down and shortages in the shops from panic buying. The thing is people don’t like it and hopefully when the present hysteria abates people will begin to look at the way their emotions are being manipulated and, once again hopefully, see the climate hysteria as just another stream of hysterical invective to manipulate them.
That’s the silver lining chum!
Spot on. Let’s be sure to remember to remind them of this in the next few years when this is all a memory of the C-19 days. But it does go to show that Panic sells.
no new iphone whatsits or samsungs for a while..
I find it extremely amusing, what ARE they going to make their new must have/brag objects this season then?
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full
Not peer reviewed yet.
This study asserts that Asian male smokers have much above average ACE-2 lung susceptibility to Covid-19.
Caucasian and African descent non-smokers much less.
Are these Mr. Conway’s target? Perhaps he should have studied real science.
Big conclusions based on little data
“Publish early and publish often”
Seattle, King County, WA is the ‘hot spot’ for Wuhan virus in the USA. Of the 17 wuhan virus deaths reported in WA, 16 have been recorded in King County. At least 104 others in WA have tested positive for the virus, as of 3/7/2020. If this virus make the jump into the drug bum jungles endemic in the greater Seattle area, the usual control measures will be useless. These criminal camps and ratty motor homes shift fluidly around the greater metro areas, seeking free services and locations with city councils that restrain police from enforcing existing laws against drug use, drug dealing, illegal camping, illegal parking, shop lifting, burglary, etc. For a better understanding of the criminal drug and mental health problems problems embedded in the drug bum jungles, I’ve attached a link to a documentary produced in 2019 by the very liberal KOMO 4 News – Seattle, titled Seattle Is Dying.
https://komonews.com/news/local/komo-news-special-seattle-is-dying?jwsource=cl
Seattle has created an environment optimized for unrestrained transmission vectors of pathogens, via already vulnerable criminal subcultures enabled and sustained by the majority socialist democrats in power.
The sooner all climate skeptics die, the sooner climate catastrophists can get on with their restructuring of the world, … to experience, first hand, in no uncertain terms whatsoever, how utterly, ignorantly, unrecoverably stupid they have been all along.
Then, as THEY start dropping like flies, perhaps a few among them will long for the days when scientific-sounding claims could be openly questioned, argued, verified, proven by facts, and acted on rationally rather than emotionally.
They will see headlines like: Death Toll from Freezing to Death Up 300% ………… Average Worker Lifespans Now Shorter by Ten Years Due to Physical Demands of Trying to Live Without Affordable Transportation …….. Unknown, Unexplained Virus Spreading Due to Compromised Immune Systems Resulting from Poverty
Apparently he didn’t get the memo: according to the International Energy Agency, the amount of CO2 generated by human activity has been flat for 2 years, and the U.S.’s CO2 emissions are down about 1/6 since their peak in 2000. See https://www.iea.org/articles/global-co2-emissions-in-2019?fbclid=IwAR3tZjEkIy58-TyKczA9TYeC85AZAhB3rfsMOq7ZPKwl3yfuE5KOCbQjxzE. But some of the commenters are correct about us olde pharts; we have seen all this alarmism before. When I was young, we were told we were about to go precipitously into an Ice Age (curiously, it was because of humanity’s CO2 emissions), and Paul Erlich was predicting that by 1970, the bodies of famine victims would be stacked like cordwood in the streets of America. Erlich continually updates his predictions, and constantly gets favorable press and invitations to parties with All The Right People, but he has not been right yet. Ever. See also https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions?fbclid=IwAR1QIYQzpz47HjlNWMPHlhGYX65gnE13mI7emhuej9dBhFIM6nrgyGRF06k.
Remind me again who owns the hate on the political spectrum.
Seems it more likely to infect those who live the Progressive ideal: Densely packed cities, close living quarters, and public transportation.
Good point! And there is no guarantee that COVID 2.0 doesn’t return next year in Round 2 and the Grim Weeper comes for all the young ones in their prime of health because of the population densities in the cities, that are also leaning so far left, they ready to fall in the gutter. Be careful what you wish for. Karma can be a beech.
“Remind me again who owns the hate on the political spectrum.”
Remind me again who owns the Times?
So you agree with this poisonous, hate-filled drivel? You could at least condemn it before the socio-political nitpicking.
For Nick:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/static/about-us/
https://www.news.co.uk/who-we-are/executives/
https://newscorp.com/about/leadership/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp_(2013%E2%80%93present)
Owner Murdoch family (39% voting power)
Seems even Conway didn’t think that far.
Even by Nick’s low standards, that was a rather pathetic attempt at diversion.
Stokes
Are you making an oblique reference to Murdoch being of an age that would make him susceptible to severe COVID infection?
No, just noting that this is a Murdoch honcho (Sky News economics editor, ex-Telegraph) writing in a conservative Murdoch publication. Hardly a representative of the left.
Anything that isn’t communist, is right wing.
Here is the thing: Wishing someone dead is an ancient human pastime, and completely futile.
In fact it is not to be taken seriously…it is a joke, although not an hilariously funny one outside of the proper context, which IMO is making it obvious it is ridiculous but that people are prone to such mentality despite knowing it is futile.
In fact, having resentments that are carried through life and that gnaw at a persons’ psyche is, to paraphrase the old saw, like drinking poison, and expecting the other guy to die.
So taking this sort of jackassery seriously is in itself rather dumb, although pointing out the inanity, and perhaps some degree of depravity, indicated by the printing such an opinion in a supposedly serious publication as if it is a serious piece of work, is warranted albeit by this point quite redundant.
We already know these people have no integrity, very little indication of any shreds of decency, an appalling deficit of self-introspection, and are in fact some of the most obviously classless, graceless, venal, devoid of character and humility pack of jackasses ever to come down the pike.
Personally, I want to thank them for reminding us all so regularly who they are.
And, in the off-chance they are seriously of the mind that one can wish another ill and have some chance of success in that endeavor…make sure to let him know he is not the only one who can make a wish list.
Which is why my only prior comment on this dumb crap was to say so.
Some of the articles I’ve read make the connection between having had a previous SARS vaccination and dying from C-19.
So if/when they devise a vaccine for C-19 and lots of people get jabbed with it, the next go-round might be more deadly.
Apparently on some species, a flu vaccine can make another flu much more dangerous.
Of course, regarding mankind, nobody will take a chance to create doubt on the Holly Vaccines.
Sounds like both of you are nut bar anti-vaxxers? We probably wouldn’t be here to talk about it had it not been for all of the vaccines that have been developed successfully for a long time now.
Smallpox vaccine, the first successful vaccine to be developed, was introduced by Edward Jenner in 1796. He followed up his observation that milkmaids who had previously caught cowpox did not later catch smallpox by showing that inoculated cowpox protected against inoculated smallpox.
Apparently you will believe anything, no matter how poorly sourced, so long as it agrees with your nut case opinions.
Vaccines have save the lives of millions.
Please cite the study that demonstrates such a link.
Some nameless reporter commenting on what’s been happening to his friends does not create science.
Some of the articles you have read are completely clueless exercises by people who do not know what the hell they are talking about and like to make shit up.
It is also amazing how readily some people will read some total bullshit and latch onto it, make it their own, then go around swearing to it.
There is not and never has been a SARS vaccine, and so no one has ever gotten such a vaccine.
At the time that the outbreak fizzled, work on one had started, but since the outbreak was over and there was no target population, the work was halted prior to completion, let alone the beginning of any testing.
Just to be clear…no one has ever gotten vaccinated for SARS because there is no SARS vaccine.
So stop repeating lies, stop believing things you have never bothered to check on, and stop making mental leaps based on false information.
It is an absolute guarantee that any conclusion or inference based on something that was made up out of thin air is even more completely valueless than run of the mill made up out of thin air nonsense.
It is, in effect, bullshit on steroids raised to the second power.
Maybe try reading from sources that are not the opinion sites of paranoid fools.
A coronavirus pandemic would never be as destructive as the Green New Deal!
Not even close!
Advocating the mass death of a human category is a criminal act as praising Nazism and as such should be subject to the full force of the law.
This hatred praiser should be immediately sacked if the Times wants to keep the little credibility it has left.
The Times has no credibility for me. They promote agendas rather than journalism.
In the USA it will be the elderly getting hit first & all the no-expenses-spared care. When the virus mutates to afflict the cited pundit’s crew they’ll encounter drawn down resources.
And since the USA elderly have insurance the hospitals aren’t going to rush them out, while the law makes it impossible to push them out. Thus there won’t be many high standard hospital places for that pundit’s group & they’ll get triaged in public accommodation, where they can pass their time comparing ObamaCare cards.
We older people get bad health reviews because of metrics in medical profiles & true some are moribund. But what the relatively inexperienced juniors don’t realize is that after a certain age what is termed a “reverse epidemiology” ensues. [Ex: (2016) “Reverse Epidemiology of traditional cardiovascular risk factors in the geriatric population”; free full text available on-line]
I’m sure there are plenty of radicals that feel that way.
Is there a regulator that can be complained to?
Not really. And if you could it wouldn’t do a bit of good. Quite frankly I want the leftist organs to be honest and publish what they want. Call them out on inaccuracies, misinformation, not reporting real news that does not support their agenda, and any malfeasance, but when it comes to bile like the article in question is spewing, let them have at it all they want. It just provides evidence of who and what they really are to rational people. This article doesn’t hurt a soul but the writer and the NYT.
If the leftist “news” in all media types had 1/2 the power that they think they wield then Donald Trump would not be POTUS.
It’s The Times, not The New York Times.
The full text has been posted on a discussion group here, if anyone is interested:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.buddha.short.fat.guy/eq42PdtMsD8
In the rest of the article, Conway doesn’t develop his thoughts on the extermination of old codgers who dare disagree with him, but he doesn’t ride them back, either.
For a supposed economics writer, he seems astonishingly naïve about the risks of systemic economic collapse in the Western financial system. The Ponzi scheme of Western fiat currencies has become more and more unstable since Nixon cut the link between the Dollar and gold in the ’70s, and is bound to collapse some time. I had thought that the international bankers would pull the plug on it (and introduce a New World Order even more to their liking than current arrangements) in the next year or two, and would reinforce their Globalist claims to legitimacy by blaming the nationalism of MAGA and Brexit. But there is a real risk that Covid19 will forestall them by causing the collapse organically. The fact that Conway ignores that possibility and goes into ridiculous fantasies of a low-carbon “new model of globalisation” (where even gardeners and cleaning staff work remotely via the web) shows that he is very much in the bubble of non-empirical people that think they can create reality by imagining it.
There is but I’m not certain of their track record.
https://www.ipso.co.uk/
No, and I hope there never is.
The idea of government regulating what newspapers are allowed to print should scare the sh1t out of any rational person.
As I have a subscription to The Times, I read the entire article.
The article by Ed Conway ends with a whimper not a bang.
After much speculation about the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” or some such, and how the coronavirus could spur a move to new technologies (no mention about what will power AI etc. presumably renewables), Mr. Conway writes-
“But coronavirus is one of those shocks to force business to take the steps they were hitherto too nervous to make…..
Of course it’s quite possible life returns to normal after coronavirus.But one consequence of this disease could be that it faces us to take a long hard look at the way we run the world, and change it.”
Ed Conway is Economics Editor of Sky a News.
The Comments (390) are somewhat less than congratulatory of Mr. Conway’s efforts-
“That’s what we need, an economist helping us deal with this….”
“Don’t take this the wrong way but young hardline environmentalists looking for the ultimate weapon would be equally happy if coronavirus only killed economists…”
“No air travel, no cruise ships, supermarket shelves empty, lots of people not producing CO2 ….UK meets its zero target early….Tah Dah! …Greta now has childhood back….”
“Good one,Ed.Older people will die off.Ha Ha.Careful when you cross the road…”
“Do you really think there will be a long term energy drop?…”
“….feel free to start that virtual airline…”
And so on.