Times: Coronavirus will Kill All the Old Climate Skeptics

Times Reporter Ed Conway

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr Willie Soon, h/t Liberty Sentinel; what kind of sick person publicly celebrates the possibility that all their political opponents will die a horrible death? The answer is a journalist who works for mainstream British media, of course.

Coronavirus can trigger a new industrial revolution

The disease could be the shock we need to harness new technology and new ways of working

Ed Conway Thursday March 05 2020, 5.00pm GMT, The Times

Don’t take this the wrong way but if you were a young, hardline environmentalist looking for the ultimate weapon against climate change, you could hardly design anything better than coronavirus.

Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate sceptics. It spares the young. Most of all, it stymies the forces that have been generating greenhouse gases for decades. Deadly enough to terrify; containable enough that aggressive quarantine measures can prevent it from spreading. The rational response for any country determined to prevent loss of life is to follow China’s lead and lock down their economy to stem its spread.

And so airlines are cancelling flights; companies are scrapping travel. Factories in China and, …

Read more (paywalled): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-has-a-silver-lining-cz8wpc6xj

Going by the web link, the original title of the article was “Coronavirus has a silver lining”.

The rest of the article is paywalled, and I don’t want to give an organization which would employ someone who could write something like that any financial support whatsoever, but I think we get the idea.

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March 7, 2020 6:07 pm

Like with all things catastrophic, you first AGW Cultist

Reply to  upcountrywater
March 7, 2020 7:54 pm

The best thing about Covid is that it hits large cities worst. That is where scum like Ed Conway have to go to work every day and mix will thousands on hot sticky, badly ventilated underground transport and taxis with a high frequentation of sick and infected people.

Most retired folk can avoid going out and mixing too much.

Hopefully Conway will get a bit of instant karma.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 1:36 am

This one may not hit the young but the next one may. I can drive to work and store while in someplaces citizens are forced into disease ridden public transportation because it is “helps against global warming ” especially the poor.
That is what happens when you let others decide what is best for you.

Reply to  ironargonaut
March 8, 2020 4:53 am

Yep. All gonna die. The next one. Or the one after that. Or the one after the one after…

Reply to  cedarhill
March 8, 2020 4:06 pm

Yes. Greta will be so sad when the coronavirus likely starts to fade at the end of the “flu season”, which is roughly about mid-April, depending on the weather.

By next year’s flu season, multiple Covid-19 vaccines and rapid diagnostic tests will be available throughout the world, not to mention anti-viral meds like remdesivir and chloroquine, which seem to be working in some patients.

Greta’s enthusiasts will have to hope for a new mutated strain to do their misanthropic work.

Reply to  cedarhill
March 10, 2020 2:49 am

In the U>S>A> there are between 12,000 and 61,000 deaths each YEAR from INFLUENZA
CRASH !!!!!

Eoin Mc
Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 12:56 pm

Conway and Sky News generally typifies the leftist pandering, virtue signalling activism of the entire British and Irish media. Conway’s disgusting polemical comment is borne out of the ‘Pale, Male and Stale’ rhetoric of the no-platforming university cohort. Unless you are young and female the default position of mainstream media is that your opinion is worthless. Truly Orwellian.

Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 2:08 pm

I hate to disappoint Conway, but this flu, so far, in the First World with good healthcare, has not been that bad. He needs to rein in his hopes for a massive die-off of aged Climate Skeptics.
This guy is in his late 60s and but for all the hysteria of COVID-19, he would have gone to work with his symptoms as they weren’t all that bad and much milder than an episode of bronchitis he had had before.

American with coronavirus speaks out about what the disease is really like, shares advice https://newspushed.com/american-with-coronavirus-speaks-out-about-what-the-disease-is-really-like-shares-advice/

I am not wishing illness on Conway but if he got COVID-19, it would be sweet Karma.

Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 3:09 pm

Have you read the complete article? I’m curious because so far I haven’t seen anything from any of the comments here that suggests they have read beyond the non-paywalled 2+ paragraphs

Reply to  upcountrywater
March 8, 2020 5:28 am


“CO2 reduction schemes such as the Green New Deal and “Carbon-free By 2050” are destructive nonsense, promoted by scoundrels and believed in by imbeciles.

The Green New Deal is essentially a suicide pact for modern society – think hard before you drink the Kool-Aid.”

Brian H Jackson
March 8, 2020 6:20 am

I am disgusted by Ed Conway’s article in the Times newspaper supporting the view that it is a GOOD THING that Corona virus kills mainly old people as they are most likely to be climate change skeptics. What next – a variant that kills all newborns to reduce the world population, as the greenie movement wants?

As an 80 year old skeptic with a good brain and excellent grammar school and university education, I can spot a con when I see one. If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. And the climate emergency con is the biggest duck/con ever.

You should force Conway to wear a swastika armband, sack him forthwith and boot him straight out the front door with all your cameras on him.

He is a disgrace to the profession of journalist and a disgrace to Sky News.

Brian Jackson.

West Yorkshire.

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Brian Jackson
Reply to  Brian H Jackson
March 8, 2020 7:27 am

I forgot to add I emailed the above to the Times complaints desk earlier today. Feel free to copy it and send also. Pile on the weight.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Brian Jackson
March 8, 2020 1:42 pm

You seem to have overlooked some editor, likely several, approved his comments for publication in their pages.
Besides, is it not the other side’s schtick to get people fired when they say something that rankles?

Reply to  Brian H Jackson
March 9, 2020 2:37 pm

I’m happy to help in getting this piece of excrement sacked.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  upcountrywater
March 8, 2020 4:27 pm

I went through half the comments and did not see one that pondered something much more sinister than merely wishing harm. This article is a suggestion for some wingnut reader looking for meaning in his muddled life to fulfill Conway’s ‘great’ idea. He might not be able to get his hands on coronavirus bugs, but remember such a type of a few decades ago was sending anthrax in the mail to his targets.

Drs. Christy and Spencer in Huntsville Alabama had bullets shot at their research building during a “peaceful” protest march that passed by.

Life threats are commonplace to prominent sceptics like Anthony Watts and others. And such folk as philosophy professors have suggested Nuremburg trials to put sceptics to death. Legal threats and subpoenas by Dem state AGs, and House of Rep lawmakers. A Greenpeace boffin said ” We know where you live. We know where you work. You be few and we be many. Conservative media personalities have had these kind of wild dogs at their house door.

Don’t forget, we are the 3%! Don’t forget that a sizable population have serious psyche problems from their angst over climate. They believe this stuff. I think letters to the effect that this article is a naked incitement to commit violent acts.

Reply to  upcountrywater
March 8, 2020 9:35 pm

The same kind of sick person who wants another Great Recession, that’s who to answer the author’s question. Bill Maher admitted as much last year. They want a recession this year.

March 7, 2020 6:10 pm

The watermelons have never had a problem with genocide. They’ve been advocating for it, in various forms and in various ways, for years. COVID-19 gives them a great excuse to promote their ideas without actually getting their hands dirty.

Andy Espersen
March 7, 2020 6:15 pm

I think we should all just sit down and breathe through our noses re this virus. Why is the whole world panicking about this illness. It only kills about 2% of victims, for heaven’s sake – about the same as a bad influenza. So in effect we have only twice the amount of influenza deaths this year. Let us just come to our senses, grin and bear it – and immediately open up all travel and all trade as usual.

We all stand the chance of dying any time. So what if more people die this year. If you think about it, the magnitude of the number of deaths does not really matter – we all die just one death each, don’t we?

Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 8, 2020 7:27 am

There is an optimal response that minimizes death, suffering, resource spending, etc. from this disease and it’s impact on others. For instance, if the health care system is sufficiently stressed, it cannot respond to normal every day needs.

Doing nothing is on one end of the spectrum of response. Certainly, some response is warranted.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 8, 2020 9:32 am

Andy says:
Why is the whole world panicking about this illness.

The modern version of the old Roman government’s technique of “Bread and Circuses”, substituting fearmongering for entertainment.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 8, 2020 10:24 am

Where are you getting your numbers from?
Go look at the CDC website, average flu death:case ratio is 0.08%, and this year is low at 0.05%. Corona virus is estimated currently (though it is likely to drop) at 2.3%. i.e. the fatality rate is almost 30 times that of seasonal flu. The transmissibility rate (R0 – the number of people infected by each identified case) is estimated at 1.4 to 2.5, which is higher than 0.9 – 2.1 for seasonal flu.
Between 12k and 60k people in the US die of seasonal flu each year, and we have vaccines that are 10 – 60% effective. We have no vaccine for this novel virus.
I think concern is warranted.

Reply to  Ian Rayner
March 8, 2020 1:55 pm

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

The CDC, per what I heard on TV, seems to think that if all the cases of COVID-19 were known, the death rate would be .1 to 1% in the US. Obviously, the death rates are higher in nations with poor healthcare infrastructure. In So. Korea, which has good healthcare and has engaged in massive testing, the rate of death is in that .1-1% range.

Reply to  KcTax
March 8, 2020 3:52 pm

+100, KcTax. 3.4% is the highest I’ve seen for a fatality estimate. No more than wild speculation as you point out. Huge unknowns. They are testing only a select few, under 1600; many of those are so sick they are hospitalized…little wonder that group has a higher death rate. Many infected have no symptoms; many have mild symptoms. How many? No one knows. It could mutate and get worse. More likely it will become less deadly because of natural selection. Spring is upon us and the concomitant warmer weather which historically ends flu season. Global warming is good.

trevor collins
March 7, 2020 6:17 pm

Ed Conway……greetings from New Zealand. thank you Ed, I am still alive and kicking, now in my 88 year.

March 7, 2020 6:18 pm

Is there any evidence that the old are more likely to be climate sceptics?

I know that there are a lot of people who don’t feel safe revealing their true opinions until after they retire, but that’s not the same thing.

nw sage
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:30 pm

Ed lives in a fantasy world where he believes anything he writes (just like most main-stream reporters) will come true just because he writes it. Most of their reporting belongs in the fiction section of the Public Library.

Reply to  nw sage
March 7, 2020 7:55 pm

More like in the friction section of the public toilets.

Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 1:24 pm

The friction section??? Getting a bit kinky there?

Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 5:10 pm

Personal hygiene using paper is based on friction, hence the play on words changing fiction to friction. I don’t know what you usually see in public toilets. Maybe you know more than I do about the subject.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  nw sage
March 7, 2020 7:59 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of the worthless garbage section of the public dump.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
March 8, 2020 9:37 am

You mean they will have to compete with the Lew papers?
be interesting to see which is the more preferred…

Reply to  nw sage
March 7, 2020 11:32 pm

He’s just another prophet for profit.

Reply to  nw sage
March 8, 2020 6:06 am

Why is this expression of ageism being tolerated? Isn’t this blatant hate mongering?

Reply to  Sommer
March 8, 2020 7:58 am

As long as the speaker is someone of the left, it is by definition, never hate.

michael hart
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:46 pm

Is there any evidence that the old are more likely to be climate sceptics?

don’t know, but it also prompts the next question: Would a temporary increase in the death rate of the elderly bring about the political changes he so desires?
I doubt it. He is sucking at straws.

Reply to  michael hart
March 18, 2020 8:12 am

Straws He Wants To Bam Ironically

Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:55 pm


There’s a lot of evidence that the older generation is better at math and physics than those graduating today’s education system.

Gerry, England
Reply to  JaneHM
March 8, 2020 4:49 am

The older generation have greater experience and are no doubt a lot more cynical about what governments do and how they are often not for the benefit of the population.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 8, 2020 7:19 am

Since skepticism of the Climate Catastrophe (TM) is wise, and the older are more likely to be wiser, it follows that older folks are more likely to be skeptical of the harmful effects of climate change.

I‘ll grant that it’s not necessarily true that with age comes wisdom. Some are invincibly stupid. (You can supply your own list, but I offer Joe Biden, Al Gore, Prince Chuck as a sufficient proof of my claim). One thing is certain though, experience has the potential to teach us in a way that lack of experience cannot. AOC is a bigger ditz than most politicians.

It’s also fair to say that those who are abused by today’s public brainwashing are less likely to infer truth from evidence and data than those whose education was less oriented to political indoctrination in generations past.

This sociopath’s hopes will not come to pass fortunately. A bit of common sense should show that if the Chinese, with their sketchy healthcare system, fewer resources, and vastly greater population density—with substantially lower standards of hygiene—have managed to stabilize the situation there, how much more likely is it that the US and other Western countries will avoid a worse outcome?

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 11:14 am

AOC is no ditz.

She’s an intelligent, amoral person pitching for the votes of ditzes, which is not the same thing.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 11:32 am

No ditz? Have you actually ever listened to her talk?

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 12:03 pm

AOC IS a ditz. A nutter.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:30 pm

You have apparently not been observing very much of what she has had to say over the period of time we have been graced by her fingernails-on-a-chalkboard-like utterances and tone of voice.
I will link to a few short videos to give you a brief primer so that you might catch up.
Comments with multiple links are sent to moderation, so I will post them one at a time in a series of comments.
These are solid gold…take a minute to treat yourself to her abject ditziness.
First, we have her expounding on her remarkable learnedness regarding the subject of horticultural botany:

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:40 pm

And here is another in the Select Series: The Compiled Wit and Wisdom of Alexandria Ocrazio Cortex.
In this short video, she explores some of the most up to date technological achievements of modern mechanical engineering and indoor plumbing, as well as asking some frank and honest questions regarding exactly what happens behinds the scenes of processes that make modern life so care-free, such as “Where the heck does stuff go when it disappears down the drain”, and other questions that have vexed philosophers and technical historians throughout the history of Western Civilization, with the possible exception of the elite cognoscenti of infrastructure engineering, and people who have ever read so much as a comic book in their entire life.
Behold, and be astounded and amazed at her mesmerizing perspicacity:

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:42 pm

And here she is demonstrating the depth and nuance of her grasp of serious geopolitical issues, and the value of having strong allies in the world:

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:51 pm

This next one is special, and one of my personal favorites.
I love it not least of all because it is regarding the actual field in which she purports to have a college degree, and how it highlights her nuanced understanding of economic and fiscal issues, especially as they relate to employment in her district, and her stunning success at such a stage in her political career when most are still learning the job.
She is rewriting the book on bringing home the bacon to her district, and proving that chasing away 25,000 high paying jobs and the most lucrative economic opportunity in the history of the world is in fact something to crow about, particularly for an elected official who has zero actual understanding of how government is funded and how economies prosper:

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 4:35 pm

Don’t leave Maxine Waters off the list of intellectually challenged.

Reply to  Gerry, England
March 8, 2020 7:30 am

Another winner.

Reply to  JaneHM
March 8, 2020 7:29 am

This is a winner.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 7:08 pm

Even if Mr Conway’s suggestion is correct it doesn’t make it — and the mind that thought of it — any less depraved.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 7:23 pm

Is there any evidence that the old are more likely to be climate sceptics?

In my experience, the older a retain its, the less likely they are to believe that each natural disaster is something unprecedented. This is probably because they’ve seen such things before, unlike those still wet behind the ears.

Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 7:36 pm

– exactly. Most people think it is bunk, but won’t say so because of reprisals. The older you are the less likely you will be affected by intimidation. On the other hand, I regularly come across young people who have had this rubbish shoved down their throats by school , university, media, peers, social media, and they still know it is rubbish.

Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 9:13 pm

“Is there any evidence the old are more likely to be skeptics?” Well, the more mature are less conditioned to accept being told what to think. They have the benefit of greater experience learning to filter out bullshit. They are more reluctant to be herded. Maybe, for evidence, we need more studies. Send money.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 9:27 pm

There was a time when the old were considered more likely to be wise because of the life experiences that have had. If it is mostly the young who are supporting the meme of CAGW, then it might well be that they have not yet had enough time to gain wisdom. That is, the young are naive and easily influenced by claims that may not be true. If the world should lose mostly those who have a mature perspective, the young will live to regret it.

Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 10:49 pm

Like the evidence old people vote “right” and yet Sarkozy (he is, well, blurry “right”) had the majority of votes of the 25-35 years if I recall correctly.

One of these things “everyone knows” but that nobody actually verified.

Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 1:33 am

I think there is, in as much older people have experienced more weather, more extreme events and actually know some history, whereas many of the young live within a social media bubble that merely reinforces their views


Jason Smith
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 3:25 am

It would make sense if the old are more likely to be climate sceptics. Wisdom, after all, comes with age… not always, but often!

Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 3:45 am

probably as by the time youve lived long enough the scams are obvious.
that said theres quite a few older warmists who would also be at risk
especially if they DO do as they say and use public transport, live in communal or multiperson(unrelated ) shared homes pods whatever all those shared spaces with no walls, or privacy, to speak of -full of mobile younguns would be hard to control any bug brought in to them, silicon valley etc

it does fit their ideal eugenics/culling dreams however
and of course they hate the very same elders who they plan to inherit from, amusing twist, money and home etc is bad when its boomer and good when its doomers aquiring it all.

not sure how long it would take for the loss of knowledge and skills to appear? but when it does;-)) lol

Chris Wright
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 4:40 am

Older people tend to be wiser.
St Greta is a perfect example of this.
And so is Freeman Dyson, who sadly passed away recently.
Many climate sceptics were true believers until they became older and wiser. And many say they feel angry at the way they had been misled.

Ed Conway should be ashamed for writing such despicable nonsense.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 9:58 am

I think polls have shown that older folks are more likely to be skeptics. Makes sense that the youngest have been indoctrinated the most.

March 7, 2020 6:19 pm

“what kind of sick person publicly celebrates the possibility that all their political opponents will die a horrible death”

The left doesn’t just celebrate the possibility of their opponents dying. Whenever they get enough power, they usually go about actively causing the death of anyone who opposes them.

Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 11:31 pm

Epstein didn’t kill himself.

Sweet Old Bob
March 7, 2020 6:19 pm

Ed Con way is showing his bias and ignorance .
Wonder who he is trying to impress .
Another one to put on the list of tools needing sharpening .

Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
March 8, 2020 1:24 am

Greta Garbage, most likely.

March 7, 2020 6:20 pm

As someone remarked here on an earlier post-
Coronavirus v. Climate Change,
Real Crisis meets Fake Crisis.

March 7, 2020 6:22 pm

That is a truly disgusting idea. To think that we once used to buy The Times. Those days have long since gone. Appalling rag now. No intention of giving up yet awhile.

Deplorable Old Sceptic Annie.

T Gannett
Reply to  Annie
March 7, 2020 7:01 pm


Thank you, just what this journalist needs, a good ok’ Annie deceptively.

T Gannett
Reply to  T Gannett
March 7, 2020 7:41 pm

I meant good ol Annie sceptic.

March 7, 2020 6:22 pm

Ironic, another wicked solution. The Silver “burden” will be mitigated through Planned Parent. Gaia’s Choice.

Forrest Baker
March 7, 2020 6:23 pm

Hmmm… old and stuck in their ways, or old enough not to be duped by dishonest flamboyant journalism… so hard to figure out which is which…

J Mac
Reply to  Forrest Baker
March 7, 2020 7:45 pm

Hmmm… Ignorant naivete vs experience based wisdom. Not difficult at all to figure out which has merit.

March 7, 2020 6:28 pm

I think what a lot of people don’t understand is how blood lusts and revenge runs in our genes from time immemorial, just below the surface. It is only been the last few hundred years, and only in certain civilized places that had the rule of law and a Constitution or a type of Bill Of Rights that guaranteed basic freedoms that has become civilized. Or some religions that had a similar piece of paper (book) that advocated for good over evil. In this case, they advocate wiping out all the old, whether they are a skeptic or not.

This type of wishing destruction on anyone you don’t agree with is that type of lack of civilized behaviour which always leads to mayhem and the unleashing of pure evil which has been the norm everywhere, forever. What we have achieved in certain countries due to that piece of paper called a Constitution has brought the most prosperity and happiness to those who embraced freedom. Thanks for reminding us Eric, cause I was sort of thinking the same thing about some of these leftist Marxists and wishing ill well on them. But I can’t turn the other cheek and just let them ride roughshod over us.

March 7, 2020 6:29 pm

According to the Daily Mail (and other British outlets), professor June Andrews, a former NHS thinks the coronavirus will be good for killing off poor people who are taking up valuable bed spaces in hospitals. Google “June Andrews NHS” and see her calmly explain how killing off certain folks/undesirables would be good.

Joel O'Bryan
March 7, 2020 6:31 pm

I’m thinking there are a lot of old Climate PseudoScientists out there too.
James Hansen anyone?

Ed Conway is just deranged. Nothing more.

And expecting someone who is deranged to act or talk in a sane manner is itself irrational.

Ian Coleman
March 7, 2020 6:38 pm

Okay, this guy’s an (insert vulgar pejorative for an unpleasant person here), but he does have a point. I’m 68, and in twelve years (should I survive) I’ll be 80. I don’t care about anything right now as much as I do my declining health, and when I’m dead I’m going to have other worries. (Assuming God is just. That could really bite. )

Greta Thunberg does have one valid point: If things do go badly, people her age are going to catch all the woe, and old people are not. Of course, that’s her only valid point, because the climate in Sweden is going to be just fine. Also, Greta, just like us, is going to need money and a stable energy supply she can afford, and is even going to get old and die one day/ It’s just a matter of time before she eventually figures that out.

Steve Case
March 7, 2020 6:45 pm

The other day I posted the sentiment that left wing liberals are on their way to a government that wants to tell you and me exactly what to do and that we must say, “Yousa massa” before we do it. I must have had Ed Conway subconsciously in mind.

Farmer Ch E retired
March 7, 2020 6:46 pm

“Coronavirus can trigger a new industrial revolution”

Or it can trigger a loss of our supply chain from high CO2-emitting countries (which some refer to as slave States). Many cargo ship sailings have been cancelled, mostly from China:

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 7, 2020 10:42 pm

Chinese Factory Output Plummets – Total Jan/Feb Exports Drop 17.2% and Worsening…

My only fear of shortages from China has to do with pharmaceuticals and various medical expendables and hardware.


Rich Davis
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:35 am

A more reasonable headline might be “Over 80% of Chinese Exports Still Flowing Despite Coronavirus Scare”?

Jim G
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 10:19 am

>>> My only fear of shortages from China has to do with pharmaceuticals and various medical
>>> expendables and hardware.

I seem to recall that around 2005 people were importing drugs from Canada and our liberal House passed a bill to prohibit it.

It seems ironic that they’re are now coming from China.

Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 7, 2020 11:08 pm

Concerning current economic activity in the US. According to the number of big trucks and other vehicles this trucker is seeing on the road this economy in the US is still going gangbusters.

The last two weeks I have been teaming and covered nearly 12,000 miles. Three round trips from Indianapolis, IN to Laredo, TX and a trip from Anderson, IN to Nogales, AZ, to Tucson, to Indianapolis. The trucks, lots of them, are still running and everyone else seems to be going about their business as usual. No indication of any economic impact so far and at the company I driver for we’re extremely busy.

This week I will be teaming again. Leaving out at 11:30 from Anderson, IN to the Vandalia, OH terminal where we will pick up a load bound for San Antonio, TX. We’ll do at least two round trips between Vandalia and San Antonio this week.

In my position as a troubleshooter I don’t get called to team drive much but after this week I will have been at it for three straight weeks. That is 3x longer than I have ever had to team in the 6+ years I have been in this salary position.

Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:05 am

I saw a article earlier that said that unemployment was down to 3.5% in February. That’s below full employment levels.
I wonder how much of a fuss the media would have made over those numbers had Hillary or Obama been in the Oval office.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:34 am

Good report, rah. Thanks. I used to work for the railroad and I could see an upturn in the economy long before the stock market saw it, just by watching the increase in shipments and how busy I was. You are in a position to see the very same things about the economy so your report is valuable.

The U.S. economy is very strong and as soon as the uncertainty around COVID-19 goes away, the economy will pick right back up, heading higher.

March 7, 2020 6:48 pm

Well, considering the age group of most of the world’s leaders and those in legislative bodies, if the virus hits hard it won’t just take out climate skeptics.

The youth will be left with the likes of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to lead them, and their destination will be the return to the Dark Ages.

Once again, people should be careful what they wish for.

Reply to  jtom
March 8, 2020 6:17 am

There are also plenty of elderly climate scientists and true believers.

I wonder if Ed has worked out if the virus hits hard enough then people won’t buy papers and he could be out of a job.

Reply to  jtom
March 8, 2020 7:40 am

Don’t tell AOC how to use hand sanitizer.

March 7, 2020 6:48 pm

All those slamming the old are forgetting one thing and that is they will be old as well.
This will arrive with astounding rapidity unless of course “Rapture” is bestowed on us in which case it will be even faster.
There is no hope with the attitude that the elderly folk dont have any use in society.
They have done the hard yards and know the score.
They don’t suffer dimwits and fools gladly.
Cant compete with Trevor Collins at 88 but can give Billy Connolly a run for his money.

Reply to  Birdynumnum
March 7, 2020 11:52 pm

I’m more concerned about being bestowed with ‘Rupture’ not “Rapture” !

As a young man I had many years of Rapture (so many girls, so little time), but knees & back have done for that…almost !

Rod Evans
Reply to  saveenergy
March 8, 2020 1:56 am

Knees and back??? You were using the wrong bits….

Reply to  Rod Evans
March 8, 2020 7:42 am

LOL. Good one.

March 7, 2020 7:04 pm

The Times used to be like the Grauniad, a respectable newspaper but no longer. In Australia Coronavirus inspired panic buying has led to a shortage of toilet paper (?) and this could easily be relieved by using torn up old copies of the Sydney Morning Herald, the Times or the Grauniad. They have no higher use these days.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 7, 2020 7:58 pm

It’s ridiculous here in Australia. There are videos of people with fully loaded trolleys with other people fighting to snatch a pack, when right next to the empty shelves of bog rolls are hundreds of boxes of tissues and paper towels. It’s insane here.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 7, 2020 9:42 pm

I think if the stock market continues deflating Monday morning, I am going to buy some significant pulp and paper stock. Not only are they on sale for a deep discount right now like everything else, they will have to re-stock the shelves globally for toilet paper so that will take a 4-5 months if not longer. Of course, may want to sell as soon as they pop 50% cause everyone going to have toilet paper for the next few years and then it will be on sale.

A friend of mine works at Costco and he was saying how they are practically sold-out of toilet paper throughout USA and Canada. I am trying to figure out why toilet paper? I still have toilet paper that I bought on a deep sale 12 years ago just for all the air miles they were offering at Safeway. Turned out to be more than free for thousands of rolls if I counted the 5 shorthaul free flights I made and I still have enough TP left for another few years after having giving some away to friends and family.

Reply to  Earthling2
March 7, 2020 10:44 pm

People are stocking up for self-quarantine for an extended period,

Patrick MJD
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 12:44 am

Bullshit! There is absolutely no need for this panic, none, none what so ever. Just media bullshit and you fell for it and propagate it!

Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 5:03 am

I did not propagate anything! Just replied to the question of why people are stocking up on toilet paper. I did not condone the behavior. Learn how to read before you start making “bull shit” accusations about me or anyone else.
Get a hold of your emotions man. What the hell! I’m a trucker going all over this country and having contact with people.

Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 7:57 am

You probably going to be busy Rah delivering all that future toilet paper. I just haven’t heard of the shortages of anything else, yet. But I agree Patrick, that there is no need for the level of panic starting to develop. I usually have enough supplies on hand normally for several months, or longer if I count basic supplies like rice, pasta and beans. But I do understand that there are a lot of urban folk who only have a few days of supplies of anything ever on hand, and rely on just in time delivery for everything in their life. Perhaps this panic will be useful in teaching about not panicking about CAGW. Panic is never good, as swimmers find out when they panic. They drown.

Just think if we extrapolate an energy crisis due to unaffordable energy supplies for any length of time compared to this C-19 panic, and the energy shortage, or even a huge increase in cost, and people will be in the same or worse boat. The long term panic with CAGW would make this virus scare seem puny if they actually implemented some of these energy policies with massive price increases or rationing over time, and that is what the real radicals are proposing. We hopefully learn something from this ‘crisis’.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:46 am

Hand sanitizers are in short supply and all but large, counter-top dispensers of disinfectant towelettes are sold out in the Dayton (OH) area. The Clorox wipes currently seem to be plentiful in the area, but smaller, individual packets of alcohol wipes are on backorder at my local Kroger (Safeway/King Super) grocery.

Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 9:58 am

Good point Clyde. I am going to add that to my search of companies who manufacture these products. Similar to buying Johnson and Johnson stock on sale in a market correction. The toothpaste companies weather recessions because people still need to buy toothpaste whether the economy is hot or not. People are probably going to become more germ aware as part of this whole C-19 business. At least until everyone forgets about this in a few years after it too blows over. But I am thinking maybe Warren Buffet is right, the time to buy stocks is when there is blood in the streets. Especially the right ones.

Reply to  Earthling2
March 8, 2020 7:17 am

Dunno how they think they’ll need so much toilet paper, when it looks like once the supply chain breaks down there won’t be much to eat! 😉

Reply to  Earthling2
March 8, 2020 7:51 am

It’s a clear example of irrational herd mentality at work. The same behavior is being observed world wide.

Some amount of prepping is warranted due to the fact most people often behave irrationally, but as far as our hierarchical needs, toilet paper is way down there (figuratively and literally).

Harry Davidson
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 8, 2020 12:33 am

It has made me think of buying one of these “bidet and fan dry” toilet seats that I first saw in Asia. Much more hygienic I think.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Harry Davidson
March 8, 2020 6:29 am

just do not push the red button when you are in Japan!

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 8, 2020 3:55 am

my joke on that is;
once you could use the paper
nowdays, when most read online papers…
wiping your butt with the pc screen just isnt gunna work

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 8, 2020 5:04 pm

The only problem with that is stuffing up the plumbing with newsprint! It was ok to use cut-up newspapers in the days of the long drop.

March 7, 2020 7:09 pm

Connect the dots and Ed Conway has euthanasia on his warped little mind. This should not be a surprise; remember the 10-10 video? Where children are blown to jonesereens for not being in tune with Warmism? As a man thinketh, so is he.

Len Werner
March 7, 2020 7:11 pm

I checked Conway’s credentials–

“From 1993 to 1998, Conway was educated at the Oratory School, a Roman Catholic boarding independent school for boys in the village of Woodcote in Oxfordshire, followed by Pembroke College, Oxford, where he took an MA in English, and after having worked for several years, gained a Fulbright Scholarship to the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in the United States, where he took an MPA (a master’s degree in Public Administration)”

Which means–not one day spent in learning what might and what might not be possible in claims of climate change. Not one day spent generating one penny of wealth, but only talking and writing about people who do. This man fits well with his colleagues–like Brian Williams and Mara Gay, who go blissfully on record with financial calculations out by a factor of a million.

And he would be who decides who should live or die? Some future world, if people like this are given any form of control.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Len Werner
March 7, 2020 7:29 pm

Every year my aunts used to write from England that they had survived another winter because they had not got the flu.
As a youngster I worked out that a warm England meant less flu.
But why stop there,were the planet to warm to the level of the Medieval times or Roman times, civilization would flourish again.
It may be true that a warm day will not kill corona virus, however a cold upper respiratory tract will help it grow.
Perhaps a bit of global warming will help all mankind as we age.
After all, this is a case of distributive justice.
It saddens me to see an educated Catholic not see that implication.
After all there has been a test case that the educated Catholic would have read,
John 11:50
“Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.”

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Len Werner
March 7, 2020 7:59 pm

However long it took you you are not going to get that time wasted back are you?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Len Werner
March 7, 2020 8:02 pm

Boarding school, huh? Isn’t that the place that parents send their kids when they really cannot stand to have them around and just wish they were somewhere else, preferably far away, even if it costs an arm and a leg?

David S
March 7, 2020 7:13 pm

More proof that people on the left have gone completely insane.

March 7, 2020 7:18 pm

This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.

March 7, 2020 7:18 pm

This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.

March 7, 2020 7:18 pm

This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.

March 7, 2020 7:18 pm

This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.

Reply to  TomB
March 7, 2020 8:10 pm

Sleepy Joe repeating himself……But then it could be me Too!

March 7, 2020 7:19 pm

He wouldn’t be a journalist if he wasn’t an enemy of the people.

Denise Collins
March 7, 2020 7:21 pm

My letter to the Times in response to this:

My letter to the Times:

I think your writer might need professional help .. to suggest that the death of our aged scientists is a good idea in order to justify hyper-climatism is to say the least extremely callous and totally without depth. To wish to kill off our older generation in order to satisfy one’s own agenda is really not a healthy outlook.

Older scientists are probably much more qualified than your writer, whom I note has only degrees in English and Public Administration. Hardly qualified one would think to even comment on the science, let alone want a death wish for those who have spent an entire lifetime studying the subject.

David S
Reply to  Denise Collins
March 8, 2020 12:41 pm

+ 10

March 7, 2020 7:23 pm

Ed should be a little more concerned. Pandemics often spread faster among idiot clusters.

March 7, 2020 7:33 pm

We skeptics wish Conway a long life so that he may live to regret his words that will surely come back to haunt and humiliate him.

March 7, 2020 7:34 pm

Bernie is how old?

March 7, 2020 9:49 pm

Same as Senile Joe.

Chris Hanley
March 7, 2020 7:36 pm

In reply to Steve Milloy (JunkScience) Mr Conway pleads his suggestion has been taken out of context:

Steve Milloy @JunkScience · Mar 7
Sick… Sky News economics editor Ed Conway writes in @TheTimes that climate activists should embrace #coronavirus because:
“Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate septics.”

Ed Conway @EdConwaySky · Mar 7
How Twitter works:
1. Post link to rather nuanced column. Get a few retweets.
2. Angry man takes quotes from article out of context and calls you “Sick!” & “Twisted!” Hundreds of retweets.
3. Multiple people tweet that they hope you get COVID-19 and die.
Happy weekend everyone!

Serge Wright
March 7, 2020 7:39 pm

The left claim the moral high ground but always show their true colours as sewer dwellers.

March 7, 2020 7:51 pm


Patrick MJD
March 7, 2020 7:54 pm

So he thinks the younger generation will magically invent a cure for AGW? I think he’s a bit out of touch with generation “Look at me, me me me me, I want it now!!!” They are often too busy gawping in to their smart phones and instant interweb feeds, y’know, that the older generations of engineers designed and made for them. You are lucky to find a millennial in a long term job and you will almost always find them moaning to management about their pathetic wages while doing absolutely nothing productive.

My comment is based on my observations over the recent decade or so.

Nicholas McGinley
March 7, 2020 8:00 pm

There is one more name to add to my “Hope they get corona” list.

David Hartley
March 7, 2020 8:05 pm

So they’re getting their wish. Manufacturing down, flights down and shortages in the shops from panic buying. The thing is people don’t like it and hopefully when the present hysteria abates people will begin to look at the way their emotions are being manipulated and, once again hopefully, see the climate hysteria as just another stream of hysterical invective to manipulate them.

That’s the silver lining chum!

Reply to  David Hartley
March 7, 2020 9:55 pm

Spot on. Let’s be sure to remember to remind them of this in the next few years when this is all a memory of the C-19 days. But it does go to show that Panic sells.

Reply to  David Hartley
March 8, 2020 3:59 am

no new iphone whatsits or samsungs for a while..
I find it extremely amusing, what ARE they going to make their new must have/brag objects this season then?

March 7, 2020 8:05 pm


Not peer reviewed yet.

This study asserts that Asian male smokers have much above average ACE-2 lung susceptibility to Covid-19.

Caucasian and African descent non-smokers much less.

Are these Mr. Conway’s target? Perhaps he should have studied real science.

Reply to  RonPE
March 7, 2020 10:20 pm

Big conclusions based on little data

“Publish early and publish often”

J Mac
March 7, 2020 8:23 pm

Seattle, King County, WA is the ‘hot spot’ for Wuhan virus in the USA. Of the 17 wuhan virus deaths reported in WA, 16 have been recorded in King County. At least 104 others in WA have tested positive for the virus, as of 3/7/2020. If this virus make the jump into the drug bum jungles endemic in the greater Seattle area, the usual control measures will be useless. These criminal camps and ratty motor homes shift fluidly around the greater metro areas, seeking free services and locations with city councils that restrain police from enforcing existing laws against drug use, drug dealing, illegal camping, illegal parking, shop lifting, burglary, etc. For a better understanding of the criminal drug and mental health problems problems embedded in the drug bum jungles, I’ve attached a link to a documentary produced in 2019 by the very liberal KOMO 4 News – Seattle, titled Seattle Is Dying.

Seattle has created an environment optimized for unrestrained transmission vectors of pathogens, via already vulnerable criminal subcultures enabled and sustained by the majority socialist democrats in power.

March 7, 2020 9:15 pm

The sooner all climate skeptics die, the sooner climate catastrophists can get on with their restructuring of the world, … to experience, first hand, in no uncertain terms whatsoever, how utterly, ignorantly, unrecoverably stupid they have been all along.

Then, as THEY start dropping like flies, perhaps a few among them will long for the days when scientific-sounding claims could be openly questioned, argued, verified, proven by facts, and acted on rationally rather than emotionally.

They will see headlines like: Death Toll from Freezing to Death Up 300% ………… Average Worker Lifespans Now Shorter by Ten Years Due to Physical Demands of Trying to Live Without Affordable Transportation …….. Unknown, Unexplained Virus Spreading Due to Compromised Immune Systems Resulting from Poverty

John C.
March 7, 2020 9:24 pm

Apparently he didn’t get the memo: according to the International Energy Agency, the amount of CO2 generated by human activity has been flat for 2 years, and the U.S.’s CO2 emissions are down about 1/6 since their peak in 2000. See https://www.iea.org/articles/global-co2-emissions-in-2019?fbclid=IwAR3tZjEkIy58-TyKczA9TYeC85AZAhB3rfsMOq7ZPKwl3yfuE5KOCbQjxzE. But some of the commenters are correct about us olde pharts; we have seen all this alarmism before. When I was young, we were told we were about to go precipitously into an Ice Age (curiously, it was because of humanity’s CO2 emissions), and Paul Erlich was predicting that by 1970, the bodies of famine victims would be stacked like cordwood in the streets of America. Erlich continually updates his predictions, and constantly gets favorable press and invitations to parties with All The Right People, but he has not been right yet. Ever. See also https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions?fbclid=IwAR1QIYQzpz47HjlNWMPHlhGYX65gnE13mI7emhuej9dBhFIM6nrgyGRF06k.

John the Econ
March 7, 2020 9:29 pm

Remind me again who owns the hate on the political spectrum.

Seems it more likely to infect those who live the Progressive ideal: Densely packed cities, close living quarters, and public transportation.

Reply to  John the Econ
March 7, 2020 10:05 pm

Good point! And there is no guarantee that COVID 2.0 doesn’t return next year in Round 2 and the Grim Weeper comes for all the young ones in their prime of health because of the population densities in the cities, that are also leaning so far left, they ready to fall in the gutter. Be careful what you wish for. Karma can be a beech.

Reply to  John the Econ
March 8, 2020 1:30 am

“Remind me again who owns the hate on the political spectrum.”

Remind me again who owns the Times?

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 8, 2020 4:46 am

So you agree with this poisonous, hate-filled drivel? You could at least condemn it before the socio-political nitpicking.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 8, 2020 5:25 am

Seems even Conway didn’t think that far.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 8, 2020 8:12 am

Even by Nick’s low standards, that was a rather pathetic attempt at diversion.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 8, 2020 9:13 am

Are you making an oblique reference to Murdoch being of an age that would make him susceptible to severe COVID infection?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
March 8, 2020 2:19 pm

No, just noting that this is a Murdoch honcho (Sky News economics editor, ex-Telegraph) writing in a conservative Murdoch publication. Hardly a representative of the left.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 8, 2020 5:56 pm

Anything that isn’t communist, is right wing.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nick Stokes
March 8, 2020 1:39 pm

Here is the thing: Wishing someone dead is an ancient human pastime, and completely futile.
In fact it is not to be taken seriously…it is a joke, although not an hilariously funny one outside of the proper context, which IMO is making it obvious it is ridiculous but that people are prone to such mentality despite knowing it is futile.
In fact, having resentments that are carried through life and that gnaw at a persons’ psyche is, to paraphrase the old saw, like drinking poison, and expecting the other guy to die.
So taking this sort of jackassery seriously is in itself rather dumb, although pointing out the inanity, and perhaps some degree of depravity, indicated by the printing such an opinion in a supposedly serious publication as if it is a serious piece of work, is warranted albeit by this point quite redundant.
We already know these people have no integrity, very little indication of any shreds of decency, an appalling deficit of self-introspection, and are in fact some of the most obviously classless, graceless, venal, devoid of character and humility pack of jackasses ever to come down the pike.
Personally, I want to thank them for reminding us all so regularly who they are.
And, in the off-chance they are seriously of the mind that one can wish another ill and have some chance of success in that endeavor…make sure to let him know he is not the only one who can make a wish list.
Which is why my only prior comment on this dumb crap was to say so.

Power Grab
March 7, 2020 10:29 pm

Some of the articles I’ve read make the connection between having had a previous SARS vaccination and dying from C-19.

So if/when they devise a vaccine for C-19 and lots of people get jabbed with it, the next go-round might be more deadly.

Reply to  Power Grab
March 7, 2020 10:51 pm

Apparently on some species, a flu vaccine can make another flu much more dangerous.

Of course, regarding mankind, nobody will take a chance to create doubt on the Holly Vaccines.

Reply to  niceguy
March 7, 2020 11:54 pm

Sounds like both of you are nut bar anti-vaxxers? We probably wouldn’t be here to talk about it had it not been for all of the vaccines that have been developed successfully for a long time now.

Smallpox vaccine, the first successful vaccine to be developed, was introduced by Edward Jenner in 1796. He followed up his observation that milkmaids who had previously caught cowpox did not later catch smallpox by showing that inoculated cowpox protected against inoculated smallpox.

Reply to  niceguy
March 8, 2020 8:15 am

Apparently you will believe anything, no matter how poorly sourced, so long as it agrees with your nut case opinions.

Vaccines have save the lives of millions.

Reply to  Power Grab
March 8, 2020 8:14 am

Please cite the study that demonstrates such a link.
Some nameless reporter commenting on what’s been happening to his friends does not create science.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Power Grab
March 8, 2020 3:04 pm

Some of the articles you have read are completely clueless exercises by people who do not know what the hell they are talking about and like to make shit up.
It is also amazing how readily some people will read some total bullshit and latch onto it, make it their own, then go around swearing to it.

There is not and never has been a SARS vaccine, and so no one has ever gotten such a vaccine.
At the time that the outbreak fizzled, work on one had started, but since the outbreak was over and there was no target population, the work was halted prior to completion, let alone the beginning of any testing.

Just to be clear…no one has ever gotten vaccinated for SARS because there is no SARS vaccine.
So stop repeating lies, stop believing things you have never bothered to check on, and stop making mental leaps based on false information.
It is an absolute guarantee that any conclusion or inference based on something that was made up out of thin air is even more completely valueless than run of the mill made up out of thin air nonsense.

It is, in effect, bullshit on steroids raised to the second power.

Maybe try reading from sources that are not the opinion sites of paranoid fools.

March 7, 2020 10:31 pm

A coronavirus pandemic would never be as destructive as the Green New Deal!

Not even close!

March 7, 2020 10:32 pm

Advocating the mass death of a human category is a criminal act as praising Nazism and as such should be subject to the full force of the law.

This hatred praiser should be immediately sacked if the Times wants to keep the little credibility it has left.

slow to follow
Reply to  Petit_Barde
March 8, 2020 5:17 am

The Times has no credibility for me. They promote agendas rather than journalism.

March 7, 2020 10:49 pm

In the USA it will be the elderly getting hit first & all the no-expenses-spared care. When the virus mutates to afflict the cited pundit’s crew they’ll encounter drawn down resources.

And since the USA elderly have insurance the hospitals aren’t going to rush them out, while the law makes it impossible to push them out. Thus there won’t be many high standard hospital places for that pundit’s group & they’ll get triaged in public accommodation, where they can pass their time comparing ObamaCare cards.

We older people get bad health reviews because of metrics in medical profiles & true some are moribund. But what the relatively inexperienced juniors don’t realize is that after a certain age what is termed a “reverse epidemiology” ensues. [Ex: (2016) “Reverse Epidemiology of traditional cardiovascular risk factors in the geriatric population”; free full text available on-line]

March 7, 2020 10:50 pm

I’m sure there are plenty of radicals that feel that way.

Dodgy Geezer
March 7, 2020 11:25 pm

Is there a regulator that can be complained to?

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
March 8, 2020 12:22 am

Not really. And if you could it wouldn’t do a bit of good. Quite frankly I want the leftist organs to be honest and publish what they want. Call them out on inaccuracies, misinformation, not reporting real news that does not support their agenda, and any malfeasance, but when it comes to bile like the article in question is spewing, let them have at it all they want. It just provides evidence of who and what they really are to rational people. This article doesn’t hurt a soul but the writer and the NYT.

If the leftist “news” in all media types had 1/2 the power that they think they wield then Donald Trump would not be POTUS.

Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 9:47 am

It’s The Times, not The New York Times.

The full text has been posted on a discussion group here, if anyone is interested:

In the rest of the article, Conway doesn’t develop his thoughts on the extermination of old codgers who dare disagree with him, but he doesn’t ride them back, either.

For a supposed economics writer, he seems astonishingly naïve about the risks of systemic economic collapse in the Western financial system. The Ponzi scheme of Western fiat currencies has become more and more unstable since Nixon cut the link between the Dollar and gold in the ’70s, and is bound to collapse some time. I had thought that the international bankers would pull the plug on it (and introduce a New World Order even more to their liking than current arrangements) in the next year or two, and would reinforce their Globalist claims to legitimacy by blaming the nationalism of MAGA and Brexit. But there is a real risk that Covid19 will forestall them by causing the collapse organically. The fact that Conway ignores that possibility and goes into ridiculous fantasies of a low-carbon “new model of globalisation” (where even gardeners and cleaning staff work remotely via the web) shows that he is very much in the bubble of non-empirical people that think they can create reality by imagining it.

David Hartley
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
March 8, 2020 5:16 am

There is but I’m not certain of their track record.


Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
March 8, 2020 8:18 am

No, and I hope there never is.
The idea of government regulating what newspapers are allowed to print should scare the sh1t out of any rational person.

March 7, 2020 11:39 pm

As I have a subscription to The Times, I read the entire article.
The article by Ed Conway ends with a whimper not a bang.
After much speculation about the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” or some such, and how the coronavirus could spur a move to new technologies (no mention about what will power AI etc. presumably renewables), Mr. Conway writes-
“But coronavirus is one of those shocks to force business to take the steps they were hitherto too nervous to make…..
Of course it’s quite possible life returns to normal after coronavirus.But one consequence of this disease could be that it faces us to take a long hard look at the way we run the world, and change it.”
Ed Conway is Economics Editor of Sky a News.
The Comments (390) are somewhat less than congratulatory of Mr. Conway’s efforts-
“That’s what we need, an economist helping us deal with this….”
“Don’t take this the wrong way but young hardline environmentalists looking for the ultimate weapon would be equally happy if coronavirus only killed economists…”
“No air travel, no cruise ships, supermarket shelves empty, lots of people not producing CO2 ….UK meets its zero target early….Tah Dah! …Greta now has childhood back….”
“Good one,Ed.Older people will die off.Ha Ha.Careful when you cross the road…”
“Do you really think there will be a long term energy drop?…”
“….feel free to start that virtual airline…”
And so on.

March 8, 2020 12:06 am

By all means, let us all celebrate and be jubilant as soon as as possible as any news arises of the deaths and potential deaths of others when this magnificent opportunity like this presents itself such as the Covid 19 virus. You must be so proud to be part of our human race. I am sorry, I forgot I was trying to talk with a person with any sign at all of human decency or any deep seeded true empathy or pure kindness or being able to not look for the benefits for themselves. And , yes, I am judging you, because the amount of such short-sighted you emphatically display needs to be called out loudly for the true darkness that it presents itself to all of goodness that can possibly perpetuate in all of our precious future human society.

March 8, 2020 12:15 am

“Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old climate sceptics. ”


Sorry I posted this
I didn’t really mean to
Now I’m off to install my home solar panels and sing kumbaya


Harry Davidson
March 8, 2020 12:25 am

I subscribed to The Times for a few months. Then came two articles in rapid succession where I happened to know the facts, and the articles were completely wrong. Subscribers posted BTL pointing out the errors, with references. Those posts were rapidly deleted, in some cases in seconds. I concluded that The Times cannot be trusted as a source of information.

March 8, 2020 12:29 am

Ed Conway: “Don’t take this the wrong way, but if we made gas chambers to exterminate all Jews, Gypsies and h0m0sexuals, just imagine what a pristine ethnically pure society we would leave to our children!”

Some of us aren’t that old, Ed – I’m still mid career.
Ed looks older than I do, although he’s a bit younger.
Clearly the ravages of membership of the British elite are taking their toll – the enforced endless hang-outs in the exclusive London clubs with port drinking and over-eating. Not to mention the narcotic substances “illicit” for the despised masses but ad libitum for the elites.

The likes of Ed and Greta are however young enough that they will live to see the utter Ehrlich-esque falsehood of every single one of the climate alarmist claims. And so will I.

March 8, 2020 12:59 am

Coronavirus can trigger a new industrial revolution

The disease could be the shock we need to harness new technology and new ways of working
Ed Conway

Thursday March 05 2020, 5.00pm GMT, The Times

Don’t take this the wrong way but if you were a young, hardline environmentalist looking for the ultimate weapon against climate change, you could hardly design anything better than coronavirus.

Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate sceptics. It spares the young. Most of all, it stymies the forces that have been generating greenhouse gases for decades. Deadly enough to terrify; containable enough that aggressive quarantine measures can prevent it from spreading. The rational response for any country determined to prevent loss of life is to follow China’s lead and lock down their economy to stem its spread.

And so airlines are cancelling flights; companies are scrapping travel. Factories in China and, presumably soon in Europe, are being mothballed. The chimneys which once belched smog into the skies of Beijing and Shenzhen are smoking no more. Perhaps you saw the satellite map produced by Nasa showing that pollution across China, usually visible in dense patches blanketing the country, has almost entirely gone.

Hardcore climate activists have long railed against economic growth and in the months ahead they may have their wish granted as GDP growth from China to Europe and the US is hammered by coronavirus.

Yet this would be no normal economic slump. It’s not as if most companies have become insolvent. It’s not as if the plumbing of the financial system is broken. Even if the outbreak triggers a recession one can expect the economy to bounce back in the coming quarters. Along the way some companies and households will be unable to keep things ticking over. What these companies need isn’t necessarily money but time: time to pay bills, time for affected staff to recover and for mothballed units to be restarted.

And since this is no normal economic crisis it’s not clear that any of the normal remedies like cuts in interest rates or taxes will help. Far better will be forensic measures to ensure those businesses and households temporarily unable to pay their bills are given time to pay.

One bold idea would be to set up a natural disasters insurance fund to support those who lose their jobs or their businesses as a result of this and future crises. America’s Federal Emergency Management Agency has something called Disaster Unemployment Assistance, which could provide a blueprint. And while the Bank of England can (and probably will) cut interest rates, far more important will be other below-the-radar schemes such as financial help for companies whose supply chains are fracturing.

Most downturns are Darwinian moments for capitalism: out go old, lumbering companies that failed to move with the times; in come their disruptive rivals in a blaze of creative destruction. Hardship focuses the mind, and companies find more efficient ways of running their businesses. The economy that emerges should be more productive than its predecessor. Yet in this crisis the opposite may be happening.

The most efficient, which is to say the cheapest, way companies have found of manufacturing products is to use supply chains that straddle the globe in search of cheap labour. If something could be made for less on the other side of the world, so be it.

Yet coronavirus, which threatens to constrain the free movement of people and goods, will deny companies this cheapest avenue. Companies will have to think long and hard about whether intercontinental supply chains make sense. Already some companies are shifting production back home and opting for home-built components.

On the one hand that spells enormous disruption and could make all our lives more expensive. Yet there is also a silver lining which need not only appeal to Extinction Rebellion. What if this is the nudge we need to embrace a new model of globalisation?

For the dirty secret about today’s economy is that it is actually a product of yesterday’s technologies: the foundation of just-in-time supply chains is software and internet connectivity. The ultimate energy source is fossil fuels, in ships and planes. Today’s new technologies — 3D printing, AI, robotics — could enable a very different form of globalisation. Combine them and it is possible, as the economist Richard Baldwin says, to imagine hotel rooms in London being cleaned by robots controlled by cleaners in Poland, or lawns in Texas mowed by robots steered by gardeners in Mexico.

Yet for all the hype, the industrial revolution driven by these technologies still feels a long way off. Many offices are not that different from their 1950s ancestors; much manufacturing revolves around factories and supply chains which, save for the fact that they are split between different countries, Henry Ford would feel at home in; 3D printing has taken the hearing aid sector by storm but is still an irrelevance in most parts of the manufacturing world.

But coronavirus is one of those shocks that could force business to take the leaps they were hitherto too nervous to make. When supply chains are down and households are quarantined, suddenly the fourth industrial revolution, or whatever you want to call it, looks a lot more attractive. When physical cash is spreading the virus, using electronic money seems far smarter. When travelling and mingling is a risk, working remotely could become the norm rather than an aberration. That this will all help to diminish carbon emissions is an added bonus.

Of course, it’s quite possible life returns to normal after coronavirus. But one consequence of this disease could be that it forces us to take a long hard look at the way we run the world, and change it.

Ed Conway is economics editor of Sky News


Reply to  Sasha
March 8, 2020 9:39 am

“When physical cash is spreading the virus, using electronic money seems far smarter.”

That is a nudge for Bank of England ex-Governor Mark Carney’s Synthetic Hegemonic Currency, SHC, a green digital global credit system to eliminate “fossil” fuels. This was announced at Jackson Hole August 2019, backed ba BlackRock, the largest hedge fund. So BitCoin baloney was just a cat’s paw for a green bankers dictatorship. Sweden is trial running an eKrona. Brussels has mooted a digital Euro.

Time to quarantine the City of London, and Wall Street, immediately – contagion is deadly!

Reply to  Sasha
March 10, 2020 2:53 pm


Stephen Richards
March 8, 2020 1:08 am

Unlike other civilisations, this current one doesn’t believe that wisdom and knowledge comes with time.

It will be the downfall of this civilisation

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 8, 2020 1:19 am

His personal website at sky news is currently unavailable. I wonder why.

March 8, 2020 1:44 am

Hmmmmm, I’m thinking Mr Ed might be wrong on this one. Simply because the vast bulk of idiots attending the XR carnivals do seem to be over 50, with lots being old enough to be retired, and consequently with time on their hands.

It’ll be interesting to see how this Ed character fares in what’s to come. Should the Reapers scythe visit his immediate orbit, I have little doubt he’ll use his column to weep buckets of tears and assign blame.

Reply to  Fanakapan
March 8, 2020 8:01 am

I think you are correct as half the idiots of this stunt appear to be on the high side of 50.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Scissor
March 10, 2020 1:00 pm

“Stop Funding Climate Death” – A message from their DIESEL POWERED FIRE ENGINE.

But that’s OK because spreading the propaganda is “excusable” emissions, I guess. Idiots.

Show me the bodies, ER, or STFU.

son of mulder
March 8, 2020 1:46 am

Global Average temperature will be an interesting watch over the next few months as flying and industry has reduced.

Alan Chappell
March 8, 2020 1:48 am

Being more than 80 years old I have seen most of the world’s weather (flying helecopters for 40 years ) and I can assure you that the weather has been the same since I started to remember 77 plus years ago . Always a cycle of x years and here it comes again. Schooling today is obviously politically activated to not teach history but ignorance.

son of mulder
March 8, 2020 1:57 am

I’ve read the whole article, it’s not malicious. He’s certainly being ironic and it’s basically a economic “what if”
exercise. About ways such a disaster as coronavirus might trigger different ways of working for example. Anyone doing a futurology exercise has to think of the downside as well as the upside of situations under consideration. That’s all he’s doing.

Reply to  son of mulder
March 8, 2020 3:57 am

You need to read Lord Bertrand Russell’s Impact of Science on Society, to even begin to fathom the tactic.
All they are doing is eugenics, population reduction, along with a cabal.

In his 1931 book, The Scientific Outlook, he had devoted a chapter to “Education in a Scientific Society.”
Dare to have a look :
“If the youth is content to abandon his previous associates and to throw in his lot whole-heartedly with the rulers, he may, after suitable tests, be promoted, but if he shows any regrettable solidarity with his previous associates, the rulers will reluctantly conclude that there is nothing to be done with him except to send him to the lethal chamber before his ill-disciplined intelligence has had time to spread revolt. This will be a painful duty to the rulers, but I think they will not shrink from performing it.”

son of mulder
Reply to  bonbon
March 8, 2020 5:10 am

All Russell is doing is another what if exercise. Since 1931 the global population has grown dramatically and is far healthier and so proven all the Malthusians wrong.

Reply to  son of mulder
March 8, 2020 5:23 am

What would be the economic impact if a pathogen only targeted people or a certain race, religion, sexual orientation, or political view? Get it now son of mulder? It’s pure nasty BS intended to antagonize.

son of mulder
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 6:32 am

And what if it was as dangerous as Ebola but spread like measals? What you say is well out of the scope of Conway’s article. I bet a movie has been made out of most disaster and evil intentions. Freedom of speech is under enough threat from the left in the UK attacks from other places is very worrying to me.

Filbert Cobb
March 8, 2020 3:07 am

I have read the full article and imho there is a lot of clickbaiting therein – which appears to have worked rather well. Final sentence – “But one consequence of this disease could be that it forces us to take a long hard look at the way we run the world, and change it.”

Rod Evans
March 8, 2020 3:08 am

The big delusion suffered by the likes of Ed Conway and others that are infected with personal climate alarmism is, they they think the young are all on his side of the climate debate.
I was pleasantly surprised by recent separate family gatherings where my 20 year old nephew and would be luvvie, expressed his views about man made climate change. He thinks it is all made up nonsense but went on to say, he never makes his views known to his fellow would be luvvies because of the hostility that would bring.
Another nephew a little older in his thirties made the very same comment. He is a director of an investment company, and says he has to close his door when the left wing advocates start pontificating about the need to change to clean energy. He can’t stand the nonsense, but lets them carry on, ignorant of their bosses views.

March 8, 2020 3:21 am

I have two PhD nieces in the hard sciences , both in their 30’s. It was their clinical analysis of the evidence that turned my (60 year old) Archaeological head away from AGW “science”. Admittedly it didn’t take much persuasion as the observations haven’t matched the Climate Change models for a long time in my field.

Reply to  MalH
March 8, 2020 7:55 am

Interesting comment. Please expound on “their clinical analysis” if you feel so inclined.

Doug Huffman
March 8, 2020 3:35 am

Hysteria, coronavirus or climate change, is driven by base ignorance and #FakeNews click-bait. So says this septuagenarian.

March 8, 2020 3:37 am

Has anyone here actually read the full article?

I haven’t read any of Ed Conway’s work in quite a while, and I don’t subscribe to The Times, but when he wrote for the Telegraph he was always interesting and thoughtful, and often came up with an angle that wasn’t immediately obvious, so I think it’s highly unlikely that he’s saying what you think he is from the first two paragraphs of his article.

March 8, 2020 3:38 am

Surely that’s hate speech. Where are the thought police on this one?

Reply to  MalH
March 8, 2020 6:29 am

It’s not hate speech if it’s the proper side making the wish. How could you miss that detail?

March 8, 2020 3:49 am

The Times journalist is merely a shadow of his esteemed Lord Bertrand Russell :

“War… has hitherto been disappointing in this respect, but perhaps bacteriological war may prove more effective. If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full.”

– Lord Bertrand Russell The Impact of Science on Society

And I am sure he courts favor with Prince Philip :

“In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, to contribute something to solving overpopulation.”

–Queen Elizabeth’s consort Prince Philip, 1988

One would say the journalist deserves a Royal Title, like his German counterpart Dr. John Schellnhuber CBE .

Steve Richards
March 8, 2020 4:02 am

Clicking on the link under ed conways photo, this came up
“Ed Conway is economics editor of Sky News and a regular columnist for The Times.”

‘Economics editor’ at sky news. No wonder sky news is all climatey these days.

Vincent Causey
March 8, 2020 4:41 am

If Covid-19 is as deadly as he hopes, killing off most of the elderly, it will also cause widespread panic, and the kind of lock downs that lead to supply chain shocks, demand shocks, and all kinds of terrible things. My point is, there is an irony in that, if such an apocalyptic outcome did in fact happen, the result would be not to make people more in favour of so called climate mitigation measures – ie green austerity – but exactly the opposite. Instead of a vague imagined fear, they would actually have something real to be alarmed about. Maybe they would come to appreciate all that fossil fuels have given to their hitherto comfortable existence, and just maybe they would turn against green austerity. I would say to that journalist, be careful what you wish for.

Rhys Jaggar
March 8, 2020 5:50 am

The ’employer’ is Keith Rupert Murdoch, owner of Fox News amongst many hundreds of global media titles……

Craig W
March 8, 2020 5:53 am

Coronavirus won’t change the minds of rational skeptics, but, it has pointed out the biggest danger of free-range globalism.

Reply to  Craig W
March 8, 2020 6:58 am

And the dangers of uncontrolled immigration.

Tom Abbott
March 8, 2020 8:16 am

From the article: “the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate sceptics”

That would be because the old have seen this kind of climate change charade before. Back in the 1970’s we were told the world was going to end because we were heading into a human-caused ice age because of our burning of fossil fuels.

Well, that didn’t happen, did it. So you can see why someone who saw one climate scam would be skeptical when another climate scam comes along. Young people don’t have enough perspective to see some of these things. They should listen to their elders about the Earth’s climate.

Btw, I haven’t had the flu or a cold virus (knock on wood!) in at least two decades, maybe longer. I’ve done this by following the recommendations currently being put out to try to avoid a COVID-19 infection, like washing your hands, and not being around people who are obviously sick with those things.

Nils Nilsen
March 8, 2020 8:51 am

Could it be that the corona scare is similar to climate change scare.
1. We are encouraged to take draconian measures to stop something that’s so far percent lower risk of death than one month of driving a car.
2. The threat of corona is totally dwarfed by smoking related deaths, alcohol related deaths,malaria,cancer, heart disease etc.
3. It comes from China, a communist country that was able to totally dominate their own population to limit the outbreak. It still was not limited and spread to the rest of the world, like any influenza outbreak. Just like CO2 spreads.
4. It is hyped out of proportions. So far we have 20 influenza deaths for every Corona death. A very stable estimate from China seems to be less than 3 deaths pr million
5. What if this is like a Normal flu, it has already spread all over the population? This would make the deadliness lower than for the normal flu. In other words a very natural fact of nature that we cannot stop, just like we cannot stop the weather.
6. Because so few people are tested it seems like the death rate is so high. What if the virus is out in the whole population and just 3 in 1000,000 die from it. Then the death rate would be thousand times lower than for the flu. 

6. Could the coronavirus argue for a one world government, using the Chinese example with extreme curfews and limits to the rights of assembly?
7. Could be that the coronavirus is quite benign, like climate change, but because of the media each death is looked upon as something horrible?
8. Does Corona take the attention away from more important things, just like the focus on CO2? Governments are willing to use extreme resources on CO 2 reduction while they despreately need money for healthcare and education.
9. Does perception of risk get totally skewed like for climate change?
10. There have been over 10 million deaths so far this year, from all causes. There have been a bit over 3000 deaths from Corona. That means that for every Corona death there have been approximately 3000 deaths from other causes.
11. Some of these causes could be prevented quite easily.
12. Around 2 milion died from starvation, 667 dead for every corona death
13. 54000 women died in childbirth ,16 dead for every corona death
14. 173000 deaths by malaria, 54 dead for every corona death
15. 882000 deaths from smoking, 275 dead for every corona death
16. 441000 deaths from alcohol, 137 dead for every corona death
17. 190000 suicides, 59 dead for every corona death
18. 238000 road deaths, 74 dead for every corona death
19. The one death that most can identify with, is traffic death. We have 7400% higher risk of dying in traffic than from Corona, at least. Young people have higher traffic risk and lower corona risk , so here the risk ratio is extreme. And we gladly go into traffic every day.
20. Follow the money: Panic is not only a great political tool, it is also extremely profitable. The big pharmaceutical companies made billions on the swine flu. They are now soon ready with a vaccine, probably well timed to when the panic peaks. If the vaccine is safe doesn’t really matter. If people get problems like sleeping disorders, they just become life customers for other drugs. Win-win.
21. Moral obligation: just like CC, corona worlds order thinking can be motivated by moral obligation to do something. We may give up many personal freedoms in solidarity with those who might die from Corona. We don’t think of the 10 million who die from other causes.
22. Ironically some global warming could slow down Corona. So maybe the 2 crowds could join hands: keep the temperature low, keep corona going, and infect fellow CC believers by holding hands.

Reply to  Nils Nilsen
March 8, 2020 9:28 am

Missing the most important lesson from history, in other words Point Number 1.
In the 14th Century the Black death and pulmonary pest swept over Europe, after killing 10 million in China at that time. And to this day the fake news is that it was a natural disaster.
Just at the start, a building financial disaster culminating in the Peruzzi, Bardi bank collapse had already laid bare rural agriculture with policies including derivatives. Then the plague hit.

So To to deal with Corona, quarantine Wall Street immediately!

We have exactly, but on a massive global scale, this convergence.
See ““How Venice Rigged the First, and Worst, Global Financial Collapse,” . See “Survey of Venice,” by James Howell, 1651; Or the “Dance of Death,” by Hans Holbein, 1538. The Black Death, and its consequences, brought on by the collapse of the Lombard bankers, led to a new dark age, in which one-third to one-half of the population of Europe perished.

March 8, 2020 9:15 am

The way to deal with Corona Virus is to quarantine Wall Street.
Otherwise the “everything bubble”, post Lehman, contagion will be beyond any rational reckoning, and sure enough Carney, Leyen, Lagarde, BoJo, the Pentagon, Wall Street, the City of London will blame Corona.
Perfect cover, for daylight looting of bank deposits, health care, as the pestilence rages.

It begins to look like the Bardi Bank collapse of the 14th Century, with plague included.
The financiers are still in that oligarchical mold.

John Robertson
March 8, 2020 10:22 am

Best thing about our “Concerned Comrades”,they are beyond parody.
Sure let those resistant to mass hysteria die..thats gonna work out real well.
The meme is dying rapidly,the desperation from the faithful members of the Cult of Calamitous Climate, is being demonstrated daily.
Full meltdown mode and they have not realized it yet.
Go team AGW, sorry CAGW, for the Catastrophe is everything to them.

One mark of a con,scam and con artist is the fear of experience people laughing at them.
CAGW has been an attack of the non tool using portion of society,upon the productive.
One can have all kinds of truly stupid beliefs,if they have never had to make something work.

Not so easy when you need to produce .

March 8, 2020 11:49 am

The only nuance in his article is which degree of degenerate he is. Total, complete, or unredeemable.

Gunga Din
March 8, 2020 12:00 pm

Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate sceptics.

Hmmm … “the old” are more likely to be sceptics of the “Climate Change Hype”?
Why would that be?
They remember past, “unadjusted”, unhyped weather? (They saw it with their own eyes before cell phone videos.)
They weren’t victims of the current indocrin … education system?
They remember times in their youth when the MSM and politicians tried, and sometimes succeeded, in pulling the wool over the public’s’ eyes?
And many skeptics are from the private sector or retired, no longer dependent on Government grants.

March 8, 2020 12:01 pm

I always get a kick out of idiots like this “journalist” when they make comments as though the “old” are stupid.
In fact, the old are the wisest. Funny how the young who have never experienced reality seem to know it all. My Dad lived through the Povolzhye Famine, escaped the Bolshevik Revolution, lived through hyperinflation in Pre WWII Germany, lost a farm during the Depression in Canada and homesteaded in the Peace Country. To say he saw his fair share of troubles is an understatement. He said “Many people these days take things for granted and think that this is the way it should always be or this is the way it always has been. How wrong they can be. A man will be thankful if he has had other experiences and sees what can really happen when things are not going so good. He can then be a better judge as to what is good and what is not. “

Gunga Din
Reply to  Joey
March 8, 2020 3:18 pm

My step-Grand Pa had some similar experiences. (He told me off the price of beer going from 4,000 Marks to 8,000 Marks overnight between the wars and before he legally immigrated.)
Age is not a guarantee of wisdom. But it is a guarantee of experience.
Often, not always, experience leads to wisdom, knowledge properly applied.

CJ Fritz
March 8, 2020 6:53 pm

An old Kinks song comes to mind…

Hey, Mr. Reporter,
How ’bout talking about yourself?
Do you like what you’re doing,
Or is it that you can do nothing else?

Whenever I see the talking heads prattling on about how the sky is falling, that song comes to mind.
If you’ve never heard it I highly advise a listen, it’s well worth the four minutes of you time.

March 9, 2020 8:16 am

Some people may have more receptors associated with the virus genetically in the lungs. It’s a matter of genes, not age.

Richard Mann
March 10, 2020 8:31 am

Some people think this is a psy-op, designed to introduce fear, panic, and potentially profit from the outcome.
I am suspicious. There are too many travelers who have “common purpose” in extremist objectives, whether it is disruption, NWO, climate change, population control. There are many people who are “all in” on these topics. Is it possible (some of them) have actually followed through?

We are seeing events canceled. Why not cancel all events and see if this thing dies out?

March 12, 2020 11:03 pm

The truth about COVID-19 is that it is not as dangerous as it sounds, people are going nuts about treating it like something vicious killing disease, but in reality its not.

I don’t think it will going to impact the climate change in the world. surely it will take sometime to prepare a vaccine to cure it, but from my personal advice is just stay hygienic and take precautions as much as you can.

March 16, 2020 7:29 am

And yet your side publicly cheers at the thought of people dying when they can’t afford health insurance. It is always the conservatives who cheer the death of those that don’t act and think along their fascist party line.
And then they try to whitewash their lack of humanity by claiming that those who suffer do so because of their own choices and actions. Greedy, selfish, hypocritical, evil people.

Reply to  commonsense
March 16, 2020 8:00 am

This is a pathetic example of blatant projection. No conservatives publicly cheer at other people suffering. This is absurd. On the contrary, one only has to make the most casual perusal of social media to see leftists gleefully wallowing in their hate for anyone not subscribing to their views.

In point of fact, conservatives and libertarians prefer a system that allows the most freedom and forces personal responsibility. It is our belief that this is the most effective way to distribute finite resources (medical care). That there are systematic issues with our health insurance market place, and indeed, the financial impact of health care in general, is generally agreed by most everyone. The conservative position, however, is the health insurance industry is broken due to government intervention (e.g. tax breaks for employer provided health insurance, and limitations on the purchase of insurance across state lines). Likewise, the costs of health care are greatly increased by the prevalence of medical malpractice lawsuits and the obscene administrative overhead required to comply with government driven reimbursement requirements for medicare and medicaid.

In general, the conservative position tends toward a restructuring of the system to remove those things that increase costs and limit freedom of choice. Nowhere in that is there any joy at the less fortunate who might struggle to afford the care they need. In fact, most conservatives I know are in favor of a safety net. We just also recognize that an individual’s health is a priority that should be primarily taken care of by that same individual…including being willing to pay to maintain that health.


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