Times: Coronavirus will Kill All the Old Climate Skeptics

Times Reporter Ed Conway

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr Willie Soon, h/t Liberty Sentinel; what kind of sick person publicly celebrates the possibility that all their political opponents will die a horrible death? The answer is a journalist who works for mainstream British media, of course.

Coronavirus can trigger a new industrial revolution

The disease could be the shock we need to harness new technology and new ways of working

Ed Conway Thursday March 05 2020, 5.00pm GMT, The Times

Don’t take this the wrong way but if you were a young, hardline environmentalist looking for the ultimate weapon against climate change, you could hardly design anything better than coronavirus.

Unlike most other such diseases, it kills mostly the old who, let’s face it, are more likely to be climate sceptics. It spares the young. Most of all, it stymies the forces that have been generating greenhouse gases for decades. Deadly enough to terrify; containable enough that aggressive quarantine measures can prevent it from spreading. The rational response for any country determined to prevent loss of life is to follow China’s lead and lock down their economy to stem its spread.

And so airlines are cancelling flights; companies are scrapping travel. Factories in China and, …

Read more (paywalled): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-has-a-silver-lining-cz8wpc6xj

Going by the web link, the original title of the article was “Coronavirus has a silver lining”.

The rest of the article is paywalled, and I don’t want to give an organization which would employ someone who could write something like that any financial support whatsoever, but I think we get the idea.

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March 7, 2020 6:07 pm

Like with all things catastrophic, you first AGW Cultist

Greg
Reply to  upcountrywater
March 7, 2020 7:54 pm

The best thing about Covid is that it hits large cities worst. That is where scum like Ed Conway have to go to work every day and mix will thousands on hot sticky, badly ventilated underground transport and taxis with a high frequentation of sick and infected people.

Most retired folk can avoid going out and mixing too much.

Hopefully Conway will get a bit of instant karma.

Every cloud has a silver lining.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 1:36 am

This one may not hit the young but the next one may. I can drive to work and store while in someplaces citizens are forced into disease ridden public transportation because it is “helps against global warming ” especially the poor.
That is what happens when you let others decide what is best for you.

cedarhill
Reply to  ironargonaut
March 8, 2020 4:53 am

Yep. All gonna die. The next one. Or the one after that. Or the one after the one after…

kwinterkorn
Reply to  cedarhill
March 8, 2020 4:06 pm

Yes. Greta will be so sad when the coronavirus likely starts to fade at the end of the “flu season”, which is roughly about mid-April, depending on the weather.

By next year’s flu season, multiple Covid-19 vaccines and rapid diagnostic tests will be available throughout the world, not to mention anti-viral meds like remdesivir and chloroquine, which seem to be working in some patients.

Greta’s enthusiasts will have to hope for a new mutated strain to do their misanthropic work.

nottoobrite
Reply to  cedarhill
March 10, 2020 2:49 am

In the U>S>A> there are between 12,000 and 61,000 deaths each YEAR from INFLUENZA
CRASH !!!!!

Eoin Mc
Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 12:56 pm

Conway and Sky News generally typifies the leftist pandering, virtue signalling activism of the entire British and Irish media. Conway’s disgusting polemical comment is borne out of the ‘Pale, Male and Stale’ rhetoric of the no-platforming university cohort. Unless you are young and female the default position of mainstream media is that your opinion is worthless. Truly Orwellian.

KcTaz
Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 2:08 pm

I hate to disappoint Conway, but this flu, so far, in the First World with good healthcare, has not been that bad. He needs to rein in his hopes for a massive die-off of aged Climate Skeptics.
This guy is in his late 60s and but for all the hysteria of COVID-19, he would have gone to work with his symptoms as they weren’t all that bad and much milder than an episode of bronchitis he had had before.

American with coronavirus speaks out about what the disease is really like, shares advice https://newspushed.com/american-with-coronavirus-speaks-out-about-what-the-disease-is-really-like-shares-advice/

I am not wishing illness on Conway but if he got COVID-19, it would be sweet Karma.

HK
Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 3:09 pm

Have you read the complete article? I’m curious because so far I haven’t seen anything from any of the comments here that suggests they have read beyond the non-paywalled 2+ paragraphs

Reply to  upcountrywater
March 8, 2020 5:28 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/15/unsettled-climate-science-30-years-apace/#comment-2917672
[excerpt]

“CO2 reduction schemes such as the Green New Deal and “Carbon-free By 2050” are destructive nonsense, promoted by scoundrels and believed in by imbeciles.

The Green New Deal is essentially a suicide pact for modern society – think hard before you drink the Kool-Aid.”

Brian H Jackson
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
March 8, 2020 6:20 am

I am disgusted by Ed Conway’s article in the Times newspaper supporting the view that it is a GOOD THING that Corona virus kills mainly old people as they are most likely to be climate change skeptics. What next – a variant that kills all newborns to reduce the world population, as the greenie movement wants?

As an 80 year old skeptic with a good brain and excellent grammar school and university education, I can spot a con when I see one. If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. And the climate emergency con is the biggest duck/con ever.

You should force Conway to wear a swastika armband, sack him forthwith and boot him straight out the front door with all your cameras on him.

He is a disgrace to the profession of journalist and a disgrace to Sky News.

Brian Jackson.

West Yorkshire.

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Brian Jackson
Reply to  Brian H Jackson
March 8, 2020 7:27 am

I forgot to add I emailed the above to the Times complaints desk earlier today. Feel free to copy it and send also. Pile on the weight.
Bj.

Reply to  Brian Jackson
March 8, 2020 1:42 pm

You seem to have overlooked some editor, likely several, approved his comments for publication in their pages.
Besides, is it not the other side’s schtick to get people fired when they say something that rankles?

Phaedus
Reply to  Brian H Jackson
March 9, 2020 2:37 pm

I’m happy to help in getting this piece of excrement sacked.

Reply to  upcountrywater
March 8, 2020 4:27 pm

I went through half the comments and did not see one that pondered something much more sinister than merely wishing harm. This article is a suggestion for some wingnut reader looking for meaning in his muddled life to fulfill Conway’s ‘great’ idea. He might not be able to get his hands on coronavirus bugs, but remember such a type of a few decades ago was sending anthrax in the mail to his targets.

Drs. Christy and Spencer in Huntsville Alabama had bullets shot at their research building during a “peaceful” protest march that passed by.

Life threats are commonplace to prominent sceptics like Anthony Watts and others. And such folk as philosophy professors have suggested Nuremburg trials to put sceptics to death. Legal threats and subpoenas by Dem state AGs, and House of Rep lawmakers. A Greenpeace boffin said ” We know where you live. We know where you work. You be few and we be many. Conservative media personalities have had these kind of wild dogs at their house door.

Don’t forget, we are the 3%! Don’t forget that a sizable population have serious psyche problems from their angst over climate. They believe this stuff. I think letters to the effect that this article is a naked incitement to commit violent acts.

Luke
Reply to  upcountrywater
March 8, 2020 9:35 pm

The same kind of sick person who wants another Great Recession, that’s who to answer the author’s question. Bill Maher admitted as much last year. They want a recession this year.

SMC
March 7, 2020 6:10 pm

The watermelons have never had a problem with genocide. They’ve been advocating for it, in various forms and in various ways, for years. COVID-19 gives them a great excuse to promote their ideas without actually getting their hands dirty.

Andy Espersen
March 7, 2020 6:15 pm

I think we should all just sit down and breathe through our noses re this virus. Why is the whole world panicking about this illness. It only kills about 2% of victims, for heaven’s sake – about the same as a bad influenza. So in effect we have only twice the amount of influenza deaths this year. Let us just come to our senses, grin and bear it – and immediately open up all travel and all trade as usual.

We all stand the chance of dying any time. So what if more people die this year. If you think about it, the magnitude of the number of deaths does not really matter – we all die just one death each, don’t we?

Scissor
Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 8, 2020 7:27 am

There is an optimal response that minimizes death, suffering, resource spending, etc. from this disease and it’s impact on others. For instance, if the health care system is sufficiently stressed, it cannot respond to normal every day needs.

Doing nothing is on one end of the spectrum of response. Certainly, some response is warranted.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 8, 2020 9:32 am

Andy says:
Why is the whole world panicking about this illness.

The modern version of the old Roman government’s technique of “Bread and Circuses”, substituting fearmongering for entertainment.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
March 8, 2020 10:24 am

Where are you getting your numbers from?
Go look at the CDC website, average flu death:case ratio is 0.08%, and this year is low at 0.05%. Corona virus is estimated currently (though it is likely to drop) at 2.3%. i.e. the fatality rate is almost 30 times that of seasonal flu. The transmissibility rate (R0 – the number of people infected by each identified case) is estimated at 1.4 to 2.5, which is higher than 0.9 – 2.1 for seasonal flu.
Between 12k and 60k people in the US die of seasonal flu each year, and we have vaccines that are 10 – 60% effective. We have no vaccine for this novel virus.
I think concern is warranted.

KcTax
Reply to  Ian Rayner
March 8, 2020 1:55 pm

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html

The CDC, per what I heard on TV, seems to think that if all the cases of COVID-19 were known, the death rate would be .1 to 1% in the US. Obviously, the death rates are higher in nations with poor healthcare infrastructure. In So. Korea, which has good healthcare and has engaged in massive testing, the rate of death is in that .1-1% range.

Reply to  KcTax
March 8, 2020 3:52 pm

+100, KcTax. 3.4% is the highest I’ve seen for a fatality estimate. No more than wild speculation as you point out. Huge unknowns. They are testing only a select few, under 1600; many of those are so sick they are hospitalized…little wonder that group has a higher death rate. Many infected have no symptoms; many have mild symptoms. How many? No one knows. It could mutate and get worse. More likely it will become less deadly because of natural selection. Spring is upon us and the concomitant warmer weather which historically ends flu season. Global warming is good.

trevor collins
March 7, 2020 6:17 pm

Ed Conway……greetings from New Zealand. thank you Ed, I am still alive and kicking, now in my 88 year.

MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:18 pm

Is there any evidence that the old are more likely to be climate sceptics?

I know that there are a lot of people who don’t feel safe revealing their true opinions until after they retire, but that’s not the same thing.

nw sage
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:30 pm

Ed lives in a fantasy world where he believes anything he writes (just like most main-stream reporters) will come true just because he writes it. Most of their reporting belongs in the fiction section of the Public Library.

Greg
Reply to  nw sage
March 7, 2020 7:55 pm

More like in the friction section of the public toilets.

MarkW
Reply to  Greg
March 8, 2020 1:24 pm

The friction section??? Getting a bit kinky there?

Greg
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 5:10 pm

Personal hygiene using paper is based on friction, hence the play on words changing fiction to friction. I don’t know what you usually see in public toilets. Maybe you know more than I do about the subject.

Reply to  nw sage
March 7, 2020 7:59 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of the worthless garbage section of the public dump.

yirgach
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
March 8, 2020 9:37 am

You mean they will have to compete with the Lew papers?
be interesting to see which is the more preferred…

saveenergy
Reply to  nw sage
March 7, 2020 11:32 pm

He’s just another prophet for profit.

Sommer
Reply to  nw sage
March 8, 2020 6:06 am

Why is this expression of ageism being tolerated? Isn’t this blatant hate mongering?

MarkW
Reply to  Sommer
March 8, 2020 7:58 am

As long as the speaker is someone of the left, it is by definition, never hate.

michael hart
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:46 pm

Is there any evidence that the old are more likely to be climate sceptics?

I
don’t know, but it also prompts the next question: Would a temporary increase in the death rate of the elderly bring about the political changes he so desires?
I doubt it. He is sucking at straws.

Pinkham
Reply to  michael hart
March 18, 2020 8:12 am

Straws He Wants To Bam Ironically

JaneHM
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:55 pm

Mark

There’s a lot of evidence that the older generation is better at math and physics than those graduating today’s education system.

Gerry, England
Reply to  JaneHM
March 8, 2020 4:49 am

The older generation have greater experience and are no doubt a lot more cynical about what governments do and how they are often not for the benefit of the population.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 8, 2020 7:19 am

Since skepticism of the Climate Catastrophe (TM) is wise, and the older are more likely to be wiser, it follows that older folks are more likely to be skeptical of the harmful effects of climate change.

I‘ll grant that it’s not necessarily true that with age comes wisdom. Some are invincibly stupid. (You can supply your own list, but I offer Joe Biden, Al Gore, Prince Chuck as a sufficient proof of my claim). One thing is certain though, experience has the potential to teach us in a way that lack of experience cannot. AOC is a bigger ditz than most politicians.

It’s also fair to say that those who are abused by today’s public brainwashing are less likely to infer truth from evidence and data than those whose education was less oriented to political indoctrination in generations past.

This sociopath’s hopes will not come to pass fortunately. A bit of common sense should show that if the Chinese, with their sketchy healthcare system, fewer resources, and vastly greater population density—with substantially lower standards of hygiene—have managed to stabilize the situation there, how much more likely is it that the US and other Western countries will avoid a worse outcome?

Observer
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 11:14 am

AOC is no ditz.

She’s an intelligent, amoral person pitching for the votes of ditzes, which is not the same thing.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 11:32 am

No ditz? Have you actually ever listened to her talk?

Joey
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 12:03 pm

AOC IS a ditz. A nutter.

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:30 pm

Observer,
You have apparently not been observing very much of what she has had to say over the period of time we have been graced by her fingernails-on-a-chalkboard-like utterances and tone of voice.
I will link to a few short videos to give you a brief primer so that you might catch up.
Comments with multiple links are sent to moderation, so I will post them one at a time in a series of comments.
These are solid gold…take a minute to treat yourself to her abject ditziness.
First, we have her expounding on her remarkable learnedness regarding the subject of horticultural botany:
https://youtu.be/QVQWttPD0Cc

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:40 pm

And here is another in the Select Series: The Compiled Wit and Wisdom of Alexandria Ocrazio Cortex.
In this short video, she explores some of the most up to date technological achievements of modern mechanical engineering and indoor plumbing, as well as asking some frank and honest questions regarding exactly what happens behinds the scenes of processes that make modern life so care-free, such as “Where the heck does stuff go when it disappears down the drain”, and other questions that have vexed philosophers and technical historians throughout the history of Western Civilization, with the possible exception of the elite cognoscenti of infrastructure engineering, and people who have ever read so much as a comic book in their entire life.
Behold, and be astounded and amazed at her mesmerizing perspicacity:
https://youtu.be/oB9JWd0ifPw

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:42 pm

And here she is demonstrating the depth and nuance of her grasp of serious geopolitical issues, and the value of having strong allies in the world:
https://youtu.be/4TJK1a8OHyw

Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 2:51 pm

This next one is special, and one of my personal favorites.
I love it not least of all because it is regarding the actual field in which she purports to have a college degree, and how it highlights her nuanced understanding of economic and fiscal issues, especially as they relate to employment in her district, and her stunning success at such a stage in her political career when most are still learning the job.
She is rewriting the book on bringing home the bacon to her district, and proving that chasing away 25,000 high paying jobs and the most lucrative economic opportunity in the history of the world is in fact something to crow about, particularly for an elected official who has zero actual understanding of how government is funded and how economies prosper:
https://youtu.be/Uulw16rUBkQ

fish
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 8, 2020 4:35 pm

Don’t leave Maxine Waters off the list of intellectually challenged.

Scissor
Reply to  Gerry, England
March 8, 2020 7:30 am

Another winner.

Scissor
Reply to  JaneHM
March 8, 2020 7:29 am

This is a winner.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 7:08 pm

Even if Mr Conway’s suggestion is correct it doesn’t make it — and the mind that thought of it — any less depraved.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 7:23 pm

Is there any evidence that the old are more likely to be climate sceptics?

In my experience, the older a retain its, the less likely they are to believe that each natural disaster is something unprecedented. This is probably because they’ve seen such things before, unlike those still wet behind the ears.

Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 7:36 pm

– exactly. Most people think it is bunk, but won’t say so because of reprisals. The older you are the less likely you will be affected by intimidation. On the other hand, I regularly come across young people who have had this rubbish shoved down their throats by school , university, media, peers, social media, and they still know it is rubbish.

Richard
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 9:13 pm

“Is there any evidence the old are more likely to be skeptics?” Well, the more mature are less conditioned to accept being told what to think. They have the benefit of greater experience learning to filter out bullshit. They are more reluctant to be herded. Maybe, for evidence, we need more studies. Send money.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 9:27 pm

There was a time when the old were considered more likely to be wise because of the life experiences that have had. If it is mostly the young who are supporting the meme of CAGW, then it might well be that they have not yet had enough time to gain wisdom. That is, the young are naive and easily influenced by claims that may not be true. If the world should lose mostly those who have a mature perspective, the young will live to regret it.

niceguy
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 10:49 pm

Like the evidence old people vote “right” and yet Sarkozy (he is, well, blurry “right”) had the majority of votes of the 25-35 years if I recall correctly.

One of these things “everyone knows” but that nobody actually verified.

Editor
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 1:33 am

I think there is, in as much older people have experienced more weather, more extreme events and actually know some history, whereas many of the young live within a social media bubble that merely reinforces their views

tonyb

Jason Smith
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 3:25 am

It would make sense if the old are more likely to be climate sceptics. Wisdom, after all, comes with age… not always, but often!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 3:45 am

probably as by the time youve lived long enough the scams are obvious.
that said theres quite a few older warmists who would also be at risk
especially if they DO do as they say and use public transport, live in communal or multiperson(unrelated ) shared homes pods whatever all those shared spaces with no walls, or privacy, to speak of -full of mobile younguns would be hard to control any bug brought in to them, silicon valley etc

it does fit their ideal eugenics/culling dreams however
and of course they hate the very same elders who they plan to inherit from, amusing twist, money and home etc is bad when its boomer and good when its doomers aquiring it all.
hmm?

not sure how long it would take for the loss of knowledge and skills to appear? but when it does;-)) lol

Chris Wright
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 4:40 am

Older people tend to be wiser.
St Greta is a perfect example of this.
And so is Freeman Dyson, who sadly passed away recently.
Many climate sceptics were true believers until they became older and wiser. And many say they feel angry at the way they had been misled.

Ed Conway should be ashamed for writing such despicable nonsense.
Chris

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  MarkW
March 8, 2020 9:58 am

I think polls have shown that older folks are more likely to be skeptics. Makes sense that the youngest have been indoctrinated the most.

MarkW
March 7, 2020 6:19 pm

“what kind of sick person publicly celebrates the possibility that all their political opponents will die a horrible death”

The left doesn’t just celebrate the possibility of their opponents dying. Whenever they get enough power, they usually go about actively causing the death of anyone who opposes them.

rah
Reply to  MarkW
March 7, 2020 11:31 pm

Epstein didn’t kill himself.

Sweet Old Bob
March 7, 2020 6:19 pm

Ed Con way is showing his bias and ignorance .
Wonder who he is trying to impress .
Another one to put on the list of tools needing sharpening .

Fin
Reply to  Sweet Old Bob
March 8, 2020 1:24 am

Greta Garbage, most likely.

Herbert
March 7, 2020 6:20 pm

As someone remarked here on an earlier post-
Coronavirus v. Climate Change,
Real Crisis meets Fake Crisis.

Annie
March 7, 2020 6:22 pm

That is a truly disgusting idea. To think that we once used to buy The Times. Those days have long since gone. Appalling rag now. No intention of giving up yet awhile.

Deplorable Old Sceptic Annie.

T Gannett
Reply to  Annie
March 7, 2020 7:01 pm

Annie,

Thank you, just what this journalist needs, a good ok’ Annie deceptively.

T Gannett
Reply to  T Gannett
March 7, 2020 7:41 pm

I meant good ol Annie sceptic.

n.n
March 7, 2020 6:22 pm

Ironic, another wicked solution. The Silver “burden” will be mitigated through Planned Parent. Gaia’s Choice.

Forrest Baker
March 7, 2020 6:23 pm

Hmmm… old and stuck in their ways, or old enough not to be duped by dishonest flamboyant journalism… so hard to figure out which is which…

J Mac
Reply to  Forrest Baker
March 7, 2020 7:45 pm

Hmmm… Ignorant naivete vs experience based wisdom. Not difficult at all to figure out which has merit.

Earthling2
March 7, 2020 6:28 pm

I think what a lot of people don’t understand is how blood lusts and revenge runs in our genes from time immemorial, just below the surface. It is only been the last few hundred years, and only in certain civilized places that had the rule of law and a Constitution or a type of Bill Of Rights that guaranteed basic freedoms that has become civilized. Or some religions that had a similar piece of paper (book) that advocated for good over evil. In this case, they advocate wiping out all the old, whether they are a skeptic or not.

This type of wishing destruction on anyone you don’t agree with is that type of lack of civilized behaviour which always leads to mayhem and the unleashing of pure evil which has been the norm everywhere, forever. What we have achieved in certain countries due to that piece of paper called a Constitution has brought the most prosperity and happiness to those who embraced freedom. Thanks for reminding us Eric, cause I was sort of thinking the same thing about some of these leftist Marxists and wishing ill well on them. But I can’t turn the other cheek and just let them ride roughshod over us.

RCHarris
March 7, 2020 6:29 pm

According to the Daily Mail (and other British outlets), professor June Andrews, a former NHS thinks the coronavirus will be good for killing off poor people who are taking up valuable bed spaces in hospitals. Google “June Andrews NHS” and see her calmly explain how killing off certain folks/undesirables would be good.

March 7, 2020 6:31 pm

I’m thinking there are a lot of old Climate PseudoScientists out there too.
James Hansen anyone?

Ed Conway is just deranged. Nothing more.

And expecting someone who is deranged to act or talk in a sane manner is itself irrational.

Ian Coleman
March 7, 2020 6:38 pm

Okay, this guy’s an (insert vulgar pejorative for an unpleasant person here), but he does have a point. I’m 68, and in twelve years (should I survive) I’ll be 80. I don’t care about anything right now as much as I do my declining health, and when I’m dead I’m going to have other worries. (Assuming God is just. That could really bite. )

Greta Thunberg does have one valid point: If things do go badly, people her age are going to catch all the woe, and old people are not. Of course, that’s her only valid point, because the climate in Sweden is going to be just fine. Also, Greta, just like us, is going to need money and a stable energy supply she can afford, and is even going to get old and die one day/ It’s just a matter of time before she eventually figures that out.

March 7, 2020 6:45 pm

The other day I posted the sentiment that left wing liberals are on their way to a government that wants to tell you and me exactly what to do and that we must say, “Yousa massa” before we do it. I must have had Ed Conway subconsciously in mind.

Farmer Ch E retired
March 7, 2020 6:46 pm

“Coronavirus can trigger a new industrial revolution”

Or it can trigger a loss of our supply chain from high CO2-emitting countries (which some refer to as slave States). Many cargo ship sailings have been cancelled, mostly from China:

rah
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 7, 2020 10:42 pm

Chinese Factory Output Plummets – Total Jan/Feb Exports Drop 17.2% and Worsening…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/03/07/chinese-factory-output-plummets-total-jan-feb-exports-drop-17-2-and-worsening/

My only fear of shortages from China has to do with pharmaceuticals and various medical expendables and hardware.

https://youtu.be/zQuvPP3_UX4

Rich Davis
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:35 am

A more reasonable headline might be “Over 80% of Chinese Exports Still Flowing Despite Coronavirus Scare”?

Jim G
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 10:19 am

>>> My only fear of shortages from China has to do with pharmaceuticals and various medical
>>> expendables and hardware.

I seem to recall that around 2005 people were importing drugs from Canada and our liberal House passed a bill to prohibit it.

It seems ironic that they’re are now coming from China.

rah
Reply to  Farmer Ch E retired
March 7, 2020 11:08 pm

Concerning current economic activity in the US. According to the number of big trucks and other vehicles this trucker is seeing on the road this economy in the US is still going gangbusters.

The last two weeks I have been teaming and covered nearly 12,000 miles. Three round trips from Indianapolis, IN to Laredo, TX and a trip from Anderson, IN to Nogales, AZ, to Tucson, to Indianapolis. The trucks, lots of them, are still running and everyone else seems to be going about their business as usual. No indication of any economic impact so far and at the company I driver for we’re extremely busy.

This week I will be teaming again. Leaving out at 11:30 from Anderson, IN to the Vandalia, OH terminal where we will pick up a load bound for San Antonio, TX. We’ll do at least two round trips between Vandalia and San Antonio this week.

In my position as a troubleshooter I don’t get called to team drive much but after this week I will have been at it for three straight weeks. That is 3x longer than I have ever had to team in the 6+ years I have been in this salary position.

MarkW
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:05 am

I saw a article earlier that said that unemployment was down to 3.5% in February. That’s below full employment levels.
I wonder how much of a fuss the media would have made over those numbers had Hillary or Obama been in the Oval office.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:34 am

Good report, rah. Thanks. I used to work for the railroad and I could see an upturn in the economy long before the stock market saw it, just by watching the increase in shipments and how busy I was. You are in a position to see the very same things about the economy so your report is valuable.

The U.S. economy is very strong and as soon as the uncertainty around COVID-19 goes away, the economy will pick right back up, heading higher.

March 7, 2020 6:48 pm

Well, considering the age group of most of the world’s leaders and those in legislative bodies, if the virus hits hard it won’t just take out climate skeptics.

The youth will be left with the likes of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to lead them, and their destination will be the return to the Dark Ages.

Once again, people should be careful what they wish for.

LdB
Reply to  jtom
March 8, 2020 6:17 am

There are also plenty of elderly climate scientists and true believers.

I wonder if Ed has worked out if the virus hits hard enough then people won’t buy papers and he could be out of a job.

Scissor
Reply to  jtom
March 8, 2020 7:40 am

Don’t tell AOC how to use hand sanitizer.

Birdynumnum
March 7, 2020 6:48 pm

All those slamming the old are forgetting one thing and that is they will be old as well.
This will arrive with astounding rapidity unless of course “Rapture” is bestowed on us in which case it will be even faster.
There is no hope with the attitude that the elderly folk dont have any use in society.
They have done the hard yards and know the score.
They don’t suffer dimwits and fools gladly.
Cant compete with Trevor Collins at 88 but can give Billy Connolly a run for his money.

saveenergy
Reply to  Birdynumnum
March 7, 2020 11:52 pm

I’m more concerned about being bestowed with ‘Rupture’ not “Rapture” !

As a young man I had many years of Rapture (so many girls, so little time), but knees & back have done for that…almost !

Rod Evans
Reply to  saveenergy
March 8, 2020 1:56 am

Knees and back??? You were using the wrong bits….

Scissor
Reply to  Rod Evans
March 8, 2020 7:42 am

LOL. Good one.

March 7, 2020 7:04 pm

The Times used to be like the Grauniad, a respectable newspaper but no longer. In Australia Coronavirus inspired panic buying has led to a shortage of toilet paper (?) and this could easily be relieved by using torn up old copies of the Sydney Morning Herald, the Times or the Grauniad. They have no higher use these days.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 7, 2020 7:58 pm

It’s ridiculous here in Australia. There are videos of people with fully loaded trolleys with other people fighting to snatch a pack, when right next to the empty shelves of bog rolls are hundreds of boxes of tissues and paper towels. It’s insane here.

Earthling2
Reply to  Patrick MJD
March 7, 2020 9:42 pm

I think if the stock market continues deflating Monday morning, I am going to buy some significant pulp and paper stock. Not only are they on sale for a deep discount right now like everything else, they will have to re-stock the shelves globally for toilet paper so that will take a 4-5 months if not longer. Of course, may want to sell as soon as they pop 50% cause everyone going to have toilet paper for the next few years and then it will be on sale.

A friend of mine works at Costco and he was saying how they are practically sold-out of toilet paper throughout USA and Canada. I am trying to figure out why toilet paper? I still have toilet paper that I bought on a deep sale 12 years ago just for all the air miles they were offering at Safeway. Turned out to be more than free for thousands of rolls if I counted the 5 shorthaul free flights I made and I still have enough TP left for another few years after having giving some away to friends and family.

rah
Reply to  Earthling2
March 7, 2020 10:44 pm

People are stocking up for self-quarantine for an extended period,

Patrick MJD
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 12:44 am

Bullshit! There is absolutely no need for this panic, none, none what so ever. Just media bullshit and you fell for it and propagate it!

rah
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 5:03 am

I did not propagate anything! Just replied to the question of why people are stocking up on toilet paper. I did not condone the behavior. Learn how to read before you start making “bull shit” accusations about me or anyone else.
Get a hold of your emotions man. What the hell! I’m a trucker going all over this country and having contact with people.

Earthling2
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 7:57 am

You probably going to be busy Rah delivering all that future toilet paper. I just haven’t heard of the shortages of anything else, yet. But I agree Patrick, that there is no need for the level of panic starting to develop. I usually have enough supplies on hand normally for several months, or longer if I count basic supplies like rice, pasta and beans. But I do understand that there are a lot of urban folk who only have a few days of supplies of anything ever on hand, and rely on just in time delivery for everything in their life. Perhaps this panic will be useful in teaching about not panicking about CAGW. Panic is never good, as swimmers find out when they panic. They drown.

Just think if we extrapolate an energy crisis due to unaffordable energy supplies for any length of time compared to this C-19 panic, and the energy shortage, or even a huge increase in cost, and people will be in the same or worse boat. The long term panic with CAGW would make this virus scare seem puny if they actually implemented some of these energy policies with massive price increases or rationing over time, and that is what the real radicals are proposing. We hopefully learn something from this ‘crisis’.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 8:46 am

Earthling2
Hand sanitizers are in short supply and all but large, counter-top dispensers of disinfectant towelettes are sold out in the Dayton (OH) area. The Clorox wipes currently seem to be plentiful in the area, but smaller, individual packets of alcohol wipes are on backorder at my local Kroger (Safeway/King Super) grocery.

Earthling2
Reply to  rah
March 8, 2020 9:58 am

Good point Clyde. I am going to add that to my search of companies who manufacture these products. Similar to buying Johnson and Johnson stock on sale in a market correction. The toothpaste companies weather recessions because people still need to buy toothpaste whether the economy is hot or not. People are probably going to become more germ aware as part of this whole C-19 business. At least until everyone forgets about this in a few years after it too blows over. But I am thinking maybe Warren Buffet is right, the time to buy stocks is when there is blood in the streets. Especially the right ones.

Goldrider
Reply to  Earthling2
March 8, 2020 7:17 am

Dunno how they think they’ll need so much toilet paper, when it looks like once the supply chain breaks down there won’t be much to eat! 😉

Scissor
Reply to  Earthling2
March 8, 2020 7:51 am

It’s a clear example of irrational herd mentality at work. The same behavior is being observed world wide.

Some amount of prepping is warranted due to the fact most people often behave irrationally, but as far as our hierarchical needs, toilet paper is way down there (figuratively and literally).

Harry Davidson
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 8, 2020 12:33 am

It has made me think of buying one of these “bidet and fan dry” toilet seats that I first saw in Asia. Much more hygienic I think.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Harry Davidson
March 8, 2020 6:29 am

just do not push the red button when you are in Japan!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 8, 2020 3:55 am

my joke on that is;
once you could use the paper
nowdays, when most read online papers…
wiping your butt with the pc screen just isnt gunna work

Annie
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
March 8, 2020 5:04 pm

The only problem with that is stuffing up the plumbing with newsprint! It was ok to use cut-up newspapers in the days of the long drop.

jorgekafkazar
March 7, 2020 7:09 pm

Connect the dots and Ed Conway has euthanasia on his warped little mind. This should not be a surprise; remember the 10-10 video? Where children are blown to jonesereens for not being in tune with Warmism? As a man thinketh, so is he.

Len Werner
March 7, 2020 7:11 pm

I checked Conway’s credentials–

“From 1993 to 1998, Conway was educated at the Oratory School, a Roman Catholic boarding independent school for boys in the village of Woodcote in Oxfordshire, followed by Pembroke College, Oxford, where he took an MA in English, and after having worked for several years, gained a Fulbright Scholarship to the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University in the United States, where he took an MPA (a master’s degree in Public Administration)”

Which means–not one day spent in learning what might and what might not be possible in claims of climate change. Not one day spent generating one penny of wealth, but only talking and writing about people who do. This man fits well with his colleagues–like Brian Williams and Mara Gay, who go blissfully on record with financial calculations out by a factor of a million.

And he would be who decides who should live or die? Some future world, if people like this are given any form of control.

Lewis P Buckingham
Reply to  Len Werner
March 7, 2020 7:29 pm

Every year my aunts used to write from England that they had survived another winter because they had not got the flu.
As a youngster I worked out that a warm England meant less flu.
But why stop there,were the planet to warm to the level of the Medieval times or Roman times, civilization would flourish again.
It may be true that a warm day will not kill corona virus, however a cold upper respiratory tract will help it grow.
Perhaps a bit of global warming will help all mankind as we age.
After all, this is a case of distributive justice.
It saddens me to see an educated Catholic not see that implication.
After all there has been a test case that the educated Catholic would have read,
John 11:50
“Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.”

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Len Werner
March 7, 2020 7:59 pm

However long it took you you are not going to get that time wasted back are you?

Reply to  Len Werner
March 7, 2020 8:02 pm

Boarding school, huh? Isn’t that the place that parents send their kids when they really cannot stand to have them around and just wish they were somewhere else, preferably far away, even if it costs an arm and a leg?

David S
March 7, 2020 7:13 pm

More proof that people on the left have gone completely insane.

March 7, 2020 7:18 pm

This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.

March 7, 2020 7:18 pm

This is nothing new, they’ve been raised by the 350.org movement.

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