Do they even pass basic energy, environmental, economic and human rights tests?
Guest post Duggan Flanakin
Should Americans follow China in a massive commitment to supposedly eco-friendly battery-electric buses (BEBs)? California has mandated a “carbon-free” bus system by 2040 and will buy only battery or fuel cell-powered buses after 2029. Other states and cities are following suit.
Vehicle decisions are typically based on cost and performance. Cost includes selling price plus maintenance, while performance now includes perceived environmental impacts – which for some is the only issue that matters. But that perception ignores some huge ecological (and human rights) issues.
China today has 420,000 BEBs on the road, with plans to reach 600,000 by 2025. The rest of the world has maybe 5,000 of these expensive, short-range buses. However, the Chinese still get 70% of their energy from coal, so are their BEBs really that green? Are they safe? And are they really ethical?
Battery costs are the main reason BEBs today are much more expensive than buses that run on diesel or compressed natural gas. But bus makers say electric buses require less maintenance, and climate activists say the lower net “carbon footprint” (carbon dioxide emissions) justifies paying a little more.
China gets around the up-front cost problem by establishing national mandates, heavily subsidizing bus (and battery) manufacturers, and rewarding cities that replace entire bus fleets at one time. This ensures that their factories benefit from economies of scale – and that the transition will be swift and complete.
Beijing simply dodges the environmental costs by ignoring the fossil fuels, horrific pollution and human illnesses involved in mining, ore processing and manufacturing processes associated with building the buses. California and other “renewable” energy advocates do likewise. In fact, those costs will skyrocket as China, California and the world emphasize electric vehicle, wind, solar and battery technologies.
Meanwhile, the USA and EU nations focus on subsidizing passenger cars. Thus, there are far more zero-emission passenger cars on the road today in the U.S. and Europe than public transit vehicles. No wonder Westerners still view electric vehicles as subsidized luxuries for the “woke wealthy,” who boast about lowering their carbon footprint, despite also often needing fossil fuel electricity to charge batteries.
The huge costs for fast-charging stations across Europe, let alone the vast United States, pose more huge challenges for future expansion of the electric vehicle market. But transit vehicles, even school buses, run regular routes, and if the routes are short enough, the bus can be recharged overnight in the garages.
Tax credits, free HOV lane access, free charging stations and other subsidies for the rich are seen by most as terrible policies. Yet another, says University of California–Davis researcher Hanjiro Ambrose, is the Federal Transit Administration funding formulas that favor short-term cost-efficiency over long-term innovation. “Those funding mechanisms haven’t been aligned with trying to stimulate policy change,” Ambrose says. “The cheapest technology available isn’t usually the newest technology available.”
To work around high upfront battery costs, innovative capitalists are creating new financial products that allow fleet owners to finance battery purchases. Treating battery costs the same way as fuel costs – as ongoing expenses – meets federal guidelines. Matt Horton, chief commercial officer for U.S. BEB maker Proterra, says, “The importance of the private capital coming into this market cannot be understated.”
Green advocates admit the primary reason people choose EVs is their belief that electric cars and buses, even with electricity generated from fossil fuels, are good for the environment. The Union of Concerned Scientists claims BEBs are 2.5 times cleaner in terms of lifespan emissions than diesel buses. That is highly questionable. Moreover, BEBs with today’s strongest batteries can take a full load no more than 150 miles in good weather. That’s fine for airport shuttles, maybe even for short public transit routes.
However, electric battery life is shorter than the 12-year vehicle life that many transit and school bus systems rely upon in their budgets. Battery replacement for BEBs is very expensive and unpredictable.
And then there are the horror stories. Los Angeles Metro purchased BEBs from Chinese-owned BYD Ltd. but yanked the first five off the road within a few months. Agency staff called the buses “unsuitable,” poorly made, and unreliable for more than 100 miles. Albuquerque returned seven out of its 16 BYD buses, citing cracks, leaking fluid, axle problems and inability to hold charges.
French journalist Alon Levy reported that BEB sales teams in Vancouver admitted their buses could not run for an entire day without recharging during layovers. Worse, in Minneapolis, bus performance suffers tremendously in cold weather: at 20o F buses cannot last all day; on Super Bowl Sunday, at 5o F, a battery bus lasted only 40 minutes and traveled barely 16 miles. Imagine being in a BEB in a blizzard.
In largely rural Maine, lawmakers proposed converting all school buses to BEBs. But Maine Heritage Policy Center policy analyst Adam Crepeau found that BEBs can travel no more than 135 miles per charge (in good weather), while diesel buses go up to 400 miles and can be refilled quickly almost anywhere. “This,” he said, “will severely impact the ability of schools to use them for longer trips, for sporting events, field trips and other experiences for students.” Or in bitterly cold Maine winters.
The economic and practical bottom line is simple. Activists and sales teams are pressing American cities, school boards and other public entities to follow China and convert their fleets to BEBs, calling them “the wave of the future.” Even in California, where lengthy power outages have become routine, this climate and anti-fossil ideology dominates. Given the growing vulnerability of our electric grid, among other concerns, cost and performance may not be the only considerations in making such an irreversible choice.
The environmental and ethical bottom line is equally simple – but routinely gets shunted aside.
Electric vehicles require about three times more copper than internal combustion equivalents – plus lithium, cobalt and other metals for their batteries. Wind turbines need some 200 times more steel, copper, plastics, rare earths, concrete and other materials per megawatt than combined-cycle gas turbines. Photovoltaic solar panels have similar materials requirements. 100% “renewable, sustainable” Green New Deal electricity systems on US or Chinese scales would require millions of turbines, billions of solar panels and billions of half-ton Tesla-style battery packs for cars, buses and backup electricity storage.
Those technologies, on those scales, would require mining at levels unprecedented in world history! And the environmental and human rights record we’ve seen for those high-tech metals is terrifying.
Lithium comes mostly from Tibet and the Argentina-Bolivia-Chile “lithium triangle,” where contaminated lands and waters are poisoning fish, livestock, wildlife and people. Most cobalt is mined in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where 40,000 children and their parents slave in open pits and dark, narrow tunnels – and get exposed constantly to filthy, toxic, radioactive mud, dust, water and air. Broken bones, suffocation, blood and respiratory diseases, birth defects, cancer and paralysis are commonplace.
Nearly all the world’s rare earth elements come from Inner Mongolia. Mining the ores involves pumping acid into the ground and processing them with more acids and chemicals. Black sludge from the operations is piped to a huge foul-smelling “lake” that is surrounded by formerly productive farmlands that are now so toxic that nothing can grow on them, and people and wildlife have just moved away. Here too, severe skin and respiratory diseases, cancers and other terrible illnesses have become commonplace.
In many of these cases, the mining and processing operations are run by Chinese companies, under minimal to nonexistent pollution control, workplace safety, fair wage, child labor or other basic standards that American, Canadian, Australian and European companies are expected to follow.
And this is just for today’s “renewable, sustainable, ethical, Earth-friendly, green” technologies. Just imagine what we are likely to see if China, California, New York, Europe and countless other places start mandating a fossil-fuel-free future – and then shut down nuclear power, to boot. Where will we get all the raw materials? Where will we put all the wind turbines, solar panels, batteries and transmission lines?
The prospect is horrifying. And it’s all justified by exaggerated fears of a climate apocalypse. Crazy!
Duggan Flanakin is director of policy research for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT).
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“…The cost of li ion batteries has dropped enormously over the past 5 to 10 years. Tesla’s first vehicle – a two passenger sports car had a 40-50 kWhr battery that they charged $40,000 to replace. Today’s li ion batteries cost roughly $100 per kWhr – GM claims it will cost less than $1000 kWhr in the coming year…”
GM claims what now? “$1000 kWhr” makes no sense. $1000 per kWhr would make no sense because you also claim that “Today’s li ion batteries cost roughly $100 per kWhr.” BTW, GM killed the Volt just over a year ago, and their president just acknowledged in Nov there are lots of things keeping EVs from becoming mainstream, including battery costs (for up to 10 yrs).
“…Today’s li ion batteries cost roughly $100 per kWhr…it has always been assumed that when battery costs reach $100 per kWhr, electric vehicles’ prices will be equal to gas powered vehicle prices…”
Well so you claim that today’s battery costs should have driven EV costs to be equal to ICEs, and yet they’re nowhere close.
Kia Niro ICE has an MSRP starting at $23,490. The EV version MSRP starts at $38,500. That’s an immense difference.
A major reason for going electric in the traffic is to handle air pollution and engine noise.
That is a huge plus.
/Jan
That is a local problem and the cost to remedy should be paid by the local municipality and residents.
Downtown engine noise and diesel air pollution should not be a federal concern deserving of a subsidy; whereas a reduction of CO2 emissions (if they really were a problem) could be validly argued to be a “general good”.
Excuse me. ” handle air pollution and engine noise” first a modern ICE vehicle does not add to air pollution other than, the dust it generates as it goes down the road, and electric car does the same. CO2 is not a pollutant and you cannot see it or smell it. Engine nose is virtual non existence and a decent muffler make an ICE car quite(even my 1984 Chevy Nova idling was silent, you could not tell it was running). Yes you do get the noise of it sucking in air and the belt noise of running the generator, water pump and AC. What you will hear first is the today is noise all cars make going down the road. As far as car that do make noise due to a modified exhaust system, I always have feel it reflected on the owner as the noise you vehicle make is invest proportional with the noise it makes.
Those who have a psychological need to make their cars noisy, would likely find some way to make their electrics noisy as well.
Engine noise hasn’t been a problem for decades.
Then again, except for diesels, neither has been air pollution.
MIT says [Nov 2019] that Li batteries are ~ $124/kWhr, and battery electric vehicles likely won’t be cost equal to an ICE [sedan = light duty vehicle] for another 10 years or so. This analysis uses full lifecycle costs: from mining the ore, making the car, purchase, maintenance/fuel, and recycling at end-of-life (but no battery replacement or recycling).
http://energy.mit.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Insights-into-Future-Mobility-Executive-Summary.pdf
Details start ~ page 16 …
The full 220 page report is also available at http://energy.mit.edu/research/mobilityofthefuture/
It changed my mind about replacing my 2011 hybrid Sonata with a Tesla3. Just gonna keep driving the Sonata.
I have always felt you drive a car as far as you can. Modern ICE cars would go 200,000 miles with much add cost. My 1984 nova went 405,000 miles without any major repair cost, today ICE vehicles should do half that easily. My 2007 GMC Canyon went 235,000 mile before I replaced it, that only happen because I was on a road trip and the good new bad news, good news was the repair was $235.00 the bad news is the part would be here on Tuesday, well that was Saturday and I need to be six hundred mile further down the road by Sunday. I luck out and on the used lot was a 2016 Chevy Colorado with a box cover. Everything I need at that point and time. Oh by the way there are now EV charging stations between those two points either.
“200,000 miles with much add cost”
Did you mean “without much additional cost”?
I remember riding electric busses—–40 plus years ago as a kid in the 1970’s………
They were the trolly busses, with the pole to the wire, feeding the motors at the operator’s discretion.
Very efficient, no excess weight of batteries to lug around, no charging losses recharging batteries.
A cost analysis on both styles would be interesting.
If you have a connection to the grid most of the time(and such a connection is cost effective) and have batteries only for the limited time between, a EV vehicle will win out each time. That why in the east most trains are powered by overhead power lines and about everywhere else it diesel electric trains. For those who do not know diesel electric trains have a diesel motor running a generator and the wheel are powered by a electric motor, this configuration eliminates a transmission and is much more efficient.
The problem comes when it’s time to change routes because demand has changed.
There is also no way to divert if traffic is blocked.
IIRC in the Netherlands they have traditional electric trolleybuses with supplemental battery power. The main streets have trolley wires. The buses can navigate routes through residential neighbourhoods on battery, and then re-connect to the wires when they get back on the main streets. The batteries are being charged whenever they are connected to the wires, so the batteries don’t have to be that huge.
Even the trolleybuses they had in London when I was growing up could travel a few hundred yards on battery power. I saw this myself a couple of times, when the trolleys came off the wires and the driver wanted to get safely out of a busy intersection before the tricky job of re-connecting.
In China I have seen electric buses – trolley busses without continuous overhead wires, but with batteries enough to last stop to stop, with overhead wires only at the major stops – looks like a good solution at lower cost where the density of buses is high.
I also remember the old 1950’s trolley buses in Australia had small batteries so they could be garaged etc. without overhead wires.
Years ago I had a chat with a city bus operator. We have some electric busses here in Vienna so I wanted to know how happy he was with them. He told me that the defining problem is that they need to recharge the battery far more often than anticipated. The reason is that busses spend most of their life on one particular line. As batteries are expensive, Electric Busses are bought to specification. This means that their batteries are tailor-made for the purpose they are supposed to serve. The problem is that every battery starts a cycle of ever worse performance with every single recharge. Imperceptibly small at first, it becomes a perceptible problem quite soon. But once this reaches a certain level, the bus cannot complete its tour anymore on one charge. Either you change the battery or you build more recharging stops and change schedules. All onerous.
Yes, batteries to the most part are not ready to power our transportation needs. Niche markets yes, general markets no. I just made a trip over 1800 mile one way with and ICE vehicle, a EV vehicle would not have been able to do it in the time frame or route I used. The inter-mountain west and great plains in winter are no place for EV, add in I was in below zero F weather and EV would have been toast, so would have I.
“zero-emission passenger cars” don’t exist. There are always emissions, maybe not at the point of use.
What about the mass amount of plastic used in ev’s? From the body panels to the vast amount of electrical components. The greens have far to much power and influence, which is going to seriously interfere with our way of life.
Also I remember reading about the battery recycling problem in the uk, they said they car batteries are the biggest problem, with no way to recycle the batteries, I know that tesla batteries have that problem.
Even some German cities where green idiots have been elected into townhall have noticed that electric busses have reach and recharge speed problems and are not suited for the task.
LENR-Cars is working on clean vehicles that can drive a long time without refueling.
Do ‘green’ buses pass the performance test?
Do they even pass basic energy, environmental, economic and human rights tests?
that’s gonna be a challenge:
https://www.google.com/search?q=busse+serpentinen+schnee&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=imnv&sxsrf=ALeKk00eFRmIYg3paYa8p7I68WN5HbJRmg:1582775383788&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6Ynk6fDnAhXZisMKHdpRCloQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=360&bih=518&dpr=3
that will be a challenge.
Do ‘green’ buses pass the performance test?
Do they even pass basic energy, environmental, economic and human rights tests?
that’s gonna be a challenge:
https://www.google.com/search?q=busse+serpentinen+schnee&client=ms-android-huawei&prmd=imnv&sxsrf=ALeKk00eFRmIYg3paYa8p7I68WN5HbJRmg:1582775383788&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6Ynk6fDnAhXZisMKHdpRCloQ_AUoAXoECA4QAQ&biw=360&bih=518&dpr=3
https://www.google.com/search?q=busse+tunnel+schnee&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwig8LPn6fDnAhUHG-wKHeKFDhsQ2-cCegQIABAC&oq=busse+tunnel+schnee&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-img.
that will be a challenge.