One of our biggest stories of the year was: Glacier National Park quietly removed ‘Gone by 2020’ signs
Here is a video update by Roger Roots.
Throughout Glacier National Park, visitors were met with signs, brochures and messages proclaiming that all of the Park’s glaciers were expected to melt away by 2020.
But by 2019 NOT EVEN ONE of the glaciers had disappeared.
During the winter of 2018-2019–while the St. Mary Visitor Center was closed to the public–the government quietly altered the ‘Gone by 2020’ signs.
And they would have gotten away with it if not for Roger Roots of Lysander Spooner University.
There has been a pivot from the glaciers to the stone fly alarmism. Been going to Glacier Park for 63 years.
I think I first heard the phrase “purposefully mendacious” here when Anthony used it to query someone’s motive.
It sure fits the bulk of the government climate crusaders.
That’s exactly what they do at every level. Their agenda (noble cause corruption) drives them to connive and manipulate.
Imagine how many people saw the signs, believed it and repeated the official claims as gospel.
Mission accomplished?
The indoctrinated many. But the presentations seem aware that there are a number of informed, thinking individuals present as well and engineered to avoid statement of fact that can be directly contradicted..
Same deal with the sign changers at Hallett Cove Conservation Park south of Adelaide and no more mention of the 130M SLR off South Australia between 15000 and 6-7000 years ago when the aboriginals could originally walk on land across both gulfs and well south of Kangaroo Island to where the coast line was originally at the edge of the continental shelf. We pay great homage to the first inhabitants nowadays but suffer complete amnesia to their catastrophic warming presumably caused by their cooking fires and traditional burnoffs to flush out game. We don’t even get a sorry day for that.
The current burnoffs can be prevented by buying more Teslas and erecting more solar panels and wind turbines that shut down when temps reach 40 degrees Celsius apparently. That’s all settled science because our universities have really big computers to work it all out for us.
I used to go to Hallett Cove when I was a boy, sixty-odd years ago. I recently saw a photo, including the sea. It looked no different from the way I remember it.
That’s funny, I was supposed to visit Glacier last week of September. However a historic snow storm ended that hope and Glacier at least ‘Going to the Sun’ road was closed for the season. So far this winter I think the Bob Marshals as a whole are at 98 to 121% of normal snow pack. I bet 2020 is looking good.
The reasons for the glacial melt are only attributed to climate change, which by inference means bad-people-burning fossil fuels are to blame.
https://www.usgs.gov/centers/norock/science/retreat-glaciers-glacier-national-park?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects
In reality, there are many reasons for a glacier to melt other than “climate change”, and “climate change” itself is a natural process that *could* be influenced by CO2, but likely is mostly influenced by land use change over local areas.
Another effect behind melting glaciers could be dust and soot. If you drop dark dust on the tops of glaciers and then snow on top of that, it eventually lies on top where the glacier is melting and melts the glacier faster. This is a known effect but seldom does anyone attribute melting to it.
In any case, glaciers are not permanent features but temporary ones – like snow in the winter time. If some tiny bug that only lived a few days were born in early Spring, they might be alarmed at all the melting snow because they have no perspective or concept of seasons. In this case, it’s man and a longer time span.
It will be so horrible when Glacier National Park ends up looking like Yosemite, except to all the kids that go there with no preconceptions.
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Is that better or worse than you pretending to be a scientist?
So can we get what university your science degree comes from?
Do you see the hypocrisy your comment puts you in.
You know the old saying those in glass houses should not throw stones.
“Computer models indicate the glaciers will all be gone by the year 2020”
As has often been said, an unvalidated model is, at best, the illustration of someone’s hypothesis.
And then there’s this sign that was still displayed in the Smithsonian in 2009
Let’s see if I can find a link to that:
“Global Cooling” Exhibit Still on Display at the Smithsonian
Does anyone know if it’s still there or when it was taken down?
100 years ago, Glacier National Park had 150 glaciers.
Now it has 37 glaciers, of which 12 are almost gone.
And the key issue somehow is that the Park wrongly forecast how long some of those few remaining glaciers have lasted for?
The real question YOU should be asking is, why are warmists pushing a highly misleading claim about Glacier National Park glaciers in the first place?
Did you even read the blog post at all?
100 years ago, Glacier National Park had 150 glaciers.
so what? it wasn’t until about 20,000 years ago, that the New York City area melted out of 2-mile thick ice.
Now it has 37 glaciers
It’s a good thing that the glaciers have steadily been retreating from where they were at their peak in the little ice age. A world frozen over isn’t one that is conducive to a prosperous life. The cold times have been the worst of times for human life, the warm times have been the best of times for human life. Given the choice, warmer is better.
of which 12 are almost gone.
“almost” doesn’t cut it when the prediction was “gone by 2020” and the current year is 2020! D’oh!
100 years ago, Glacier National Park had 150 glaciers.
Now it has 37 glaciers, of which 12 are almost gone.
And why would anyone give a flying-frack about a few melting oversized ice-cubes on uninhabited mountains? Most people have real matters to deal with.
When you’re told, “Scientists say X”, always ask “Which scientists?”
The National Park Service obviously didn’t ask.
“which scientists?” isn’t as important questions as “what actual evidence do they have to back up what they say?” Most of the time when someone tells you “Scientists say X” then have no answer for the latter of those two question.
The signs were “gone by 2020”.
They should have hired that climate media consultant to handle the prediction….or maybe they did and the consultants get paid a second time to do the update.
Two years ago I took photos of all the signs I could find in Glacier Park that claimed the glaciers would be gone by 2020. The signs are all gone, the glaciets are all still there. A review of historic science papers and USGS data shows conclusively that that the fastest glacier melt rates since the LIA occurred before the 1940’s. And it’s not even close: more ice melted before 1950 than all the years since. Glacier melt rates since 1966 have not accelerated and average less than 0.9% per year.
More details in one of my posts from 2017:
http://www.glacier.nationalparkschat.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9614
Another in a long line of failed predictions. But this is only window dressing like all the other doom and gloom scenarios. The real motive for pushing the climate change hoax is to scare people and governments into a carbon tax. Look at the financial state of the world governments. They are almost all way over their heads in debt. The value of the world’s currencies are falling because of this debt. When I asked my financial planner about the dollar compared to all the world’s currencies he referenced a Johnny Cash song… it is “the cleanest dirty shirt”. What better way to erase the world government debts than to levy a carbon tax every man, woman, and child on the face of the planet.
I got my undergraduate degree from Lysender Spooner University and a masters degree from the Cussons Laboratory. Right now I’m studying for a PhD at the Ponds Institute.
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