BP Boss: Daughter’s Friends on Anti-Depressants Because of Climate Change

The anti-depressant Venlafaxine. In 2016 people in the US received 15 million prescriptions for this drug.

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Americans popping pills to try to cope with the emotional damage inflicted by our broken, climate propaganda laden education system.

BP boss reveals some of his daughter’s friends in California are taking antidepressants because they are so worried about climate change

  • Bob Dudley, 64, said he hated seeing ‘young people so unhappy, so anxious’ 
  • He revealed his daughter asked him how he could work for a fossil fuel company 
  • BP produces the equivalent of 3.7 million barrels of oil a day, and is directly and indirectly responsible for up to 491 million tonnes of carbon emissions a year 


PUBLISHED: 05:10 AEDT, 30 December 2019 | UPDATED: 08:53 AEDT, 30 December 2019

The outgoing boss of BP has revealed some of his daughter’s friends in Californiaare on antidepressants because of their worries over climate change.  

He said: ‘I wish the young people today would get more involved in energy — actually getting involved, whether it’s renewables or not. 

‘Because it’s the easiest job to throw rocks. It is just such fun. But you have to have some responsibility for these things and that’s not what everybody’s doing.’

Mr Dudley added that he hated seeing young people so anxious, and that his daughter told him people around her are on antidepressants. 

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7834937/BP-boss-reveals-daughters-friends-California-taking-antidepressants.html

Please, if you are on medication, consult your doctor before making any changes to your regime. Whatever your concerns about your current medication, the effects of uncontrolled withdrawal could be worse.

Having said that, there is substantial evidence of a link between anti-depressants, suicide, violence and homicide.

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Joel O'Bryan
December 31, 2019 10:27 pm

How many times do we have to see evidence that Liberalism is a pathological mental illness sequelae?

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 1, 2020 12:41 am

Liberalism is divergent. Progressivism is monotonic [unqualified] change. Conservativism is moderating. Principles matter. That said, people defer to mortal gods for affirmation, and “go along to get along” in order to avoid abortion… cancel culture, and to receive secular rewards for compliance. Deja vu. Change you can believe in, internally, externally, and mutually inconsistent.

John McClure
Reply to  n.n
January 1, 2020 11:38 am

This isn’t about politics nor a “bent” on morality, it’s about professional educators who have failed our society for decades.

Decades ago, jackass educators signaled our children as ADD and put them on drugs they didn’t need.

The crap educators couldn’t control their own classrooms and blamed it on our children.

Enough is enough, we must no longer trust educators as a part of the strategic triad; Parents, Educators, and the PTA.

J. Pyle
Reply to  John McClure
January 2, 2020 10:05 am

I believe politics are involved as the crap educators are injecting their knee-jerk brain-dead ideas and politics into classes.

The education industry (schools of education at our colleges and universities) are overflowing with progressives, socialists and other fellow travelers.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 1, 2020 3:33 am

Herd mentality is avoidable, but you have to work at it and do research about the subject of “whatever” to keep your brain from malfunctioning.

Seriously, antidepressants because they believe poppycock instead of finding things out for themselves? That is too sad for words.

Reply to  Sara
January 1, 2020 5:41 am

“That is too sad for words.”

Hearsay at best though isn’t it. Most likely made up crap.

Reply to  philincalifornia
January 1, 2020 6:55 am

re: “Hearsay at best though isn’t it. Most likely made up crap.”

Unclear (as to meaning) post.

CC is made up? Heard mentality is made up? What?

Reply to  _Jim
January 2, 2020 4:05 am

The story in general. No evidence that the content even exists.

Reply to  philincalifornia
January 2, 2020 4:13 am

re: “The story in general. No evidence that the content even exists.”

Obs: Comment appears to be at odds with what IS known. Comment does not further the discussion; Null comment.

Reply to  _Jim
January 2, 2020 4:51 am

Herd not heard.

Reply to  JillOz
January 2, 2020 5:03 am

SPellt Chekk. SPellt Chekk noww of.

Sommtimes one mus duuble Chekk the SPelt Chekker.

Reply to  Sara
January 1, 2020 7:07 am

Good point, Sara. The problem is “the science is settled” means if youngsters doubt the concepts of CAGW enough to research it, they are automatically a “d” word. So it’s like lifting yourself up by your own bootstraps, especially if they’ve been marinating in this crapoloa all of their short lives.

I can’t even get my own kids to believe what I am saying, because I have worked in the energy field my entire life, which taints my perspective, according to them. They do cut me a break since my salary from those endeavors supported them their entire lives and put them through college without them having to saddle a crushing debt.

Pat Frank
Reply to  oeman50
January 1, 2020 10:32 am

Refer your kids to my paper, oeman50:


I spent my life as an academic research chemist, with no energy-related work, and I call expert peer-reviewed-and-published BS on the entire IPCC position.

John McClure
Reply to  Pat Frank
January 1, 2020 12:03 pm

“The reliability of general circulation climate model (GCM) global air temperature projections is evaluated for the first time, by way of propagation of model calibration error. ”

Your paper is a screed start-to-finish.

I was looking forward to keen insights and all I can read is a scream.

You honestly recommend this to children?

Are you the definition of the problem or in some way an insight ?

Big T
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 1, 2020 3:46 am

Demonicrats thrive on the idea of mental illness studies. More grant monies headed their way.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 1, 2020 4:39 am

How convenient! The dude waited until towards his retirement before he started his liberal false of piety inspired soul searching & confessions. His daughter should simply write BP a refund check for having paid for all her luxurious lifestyles, which she enjoyed by virtue of her dad’s position in a so called fossil fuel company.

Reply to  @Aiksmart
January 1, 2020 8:13 am

Why don’t you try actually reading the article?
The “dude” is doing nothing of the sort.

Reply to  @Aiksmart
January 1, 2020 6:54 pm

His daughter’s friend’s parents are PROBABLY the problem with increasingly ‘woke’ corporate ”American” right now.

December 31, 2019 10:28 pm

And I need to take blood pressure meds every time I read the alarmist and uninformed stories and comments. I think my New Years Resolution will be to stop using the internet and find a place to lie down.

December 31, 2019 10:35 pm

Fantasy pills for a fantasy condition! Sounds appropriate!

Reply to  RockyRoad
December 31, 2019 11:36 pm

Hilarious the excuses people come up with to get high.

old construction worker
Reply to  Wally
January 1, 2020 3:55 am


Reply to  Wally
January 1, 2020 4:56 am

No, there are real societal factors that are leading to wide-spread mental health issues, such as anxiety and depression. Yes, there is drug abuse but as you know, cause and effect can be intertwined.

There is constant bombardment of doom from the establishment and media, especially concerning global warming, fear of guns and mass shooting, etc. Leftist ideas have more than infiltrated education at all levels. They place a low value on human life and spread blame and guilt on simply existing.

Smart phones, social media and computer games are part of every day life for the young. These are addictive and disrupt sleep and normal thought patterns and brain chemistry. Most teens are not as physically active as they should be, which is detrimental to their mental health and physical well being.

Diets are unhealthy with caloric intake consists of too much sugar, processed carbohydrates and not enough fats and nutrients.

There is a Chinese saying that goes something like, “no food on the table, one problem; plenty of food on the table, many problems.”

We are living in times of many problems and our young especially are suffering from it.

Reply to  Scissor
January 1, 2020 5:56 am

Just a product of affluent societies…that have leisure time for this crap

…a testament of how well we’re really doing

Reply to  Scissor
January 1, 2020 6:00 am

Thanks for bringing that saying to my notice. It nicely encapsulates what I have felt for a long time about today’s young folk.

Reply to  Wally
January 1, 2020 5:03 am

Venflaxine has a very high adverse event rate btw
suicides etc
if you werent suicidal before hand? you soon will be
the masive 1/4 or more of the pop hookedon these stupid meds is embarrasing and enraging
Ive had 2 friends die from complications OF SSRI meds one have seizures and 3 cant handle the far worse than original anxiety when they try to stop taking them

theyre also pushing them for pets rather heavily
if suicide and aggression are common side effects? hows fido able to tell you?
before the poor pet loses the plot and curls up and dies or bites and gets euthanased

John Bell
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 1, 2020 5:24 am

Seems most liberals are on anti depressants, it is built in to their personalities.

Dr Deanster
Reply to  ozspeaksup
January 1, 2020 9:32 am

“Venlafaxine …. suicides” ?.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Sorry, you just don’t. End of story.

December 31, 2019 10:35 pm

Any parent who allowed a Doctor to place their children on toxic antidepressants because … CAGW … should be charged with child abuse. Their children should be removed from their home and receive deprogramming and mental health treatment to reverse the cruel brainwashing. And for what? Destroying capitalism? Won’t these little darlings REALLY need the antidepressants when they LOSE everything from their shiny new Socialism? Smh.

Reply to  Kenji
December 31, 2019 11:41 pm

Lancet editor Richard Horton urges medical licensing body not to punish doctors in Extinction Rebellion protests
The Lancet is one of the most respected medical journals in the world.
So when its editor, Richard Horton, endorsed nonviolent protests to address a climate emergency, it generated attention far and wide.
Horton’s videotaped statement is available on the website of Doctors for Extinction Rebellion, which is a collective of medical professionals who’ve participated in civil disobedience.
They’ve done this because they see climate change as “an impending public health catastrophe”.
“The climate emergency that we’re facing today is the most important existential crisis facing the human species,” Horton said. “And since medicine is all about protecting and strengthening the human species, it should be absolutely foundational to the practice of what we do every single day.

Reply to  brent
January 1, 2020 11:56 am

Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.
– Vladimir Lenin


January 1, 2020 3:14 pm

Robert J Lifton
One can speak of the Nazi state as a “biocracy.” The model here is a theocracy, a system of rule by priests of a sacred order under the claim of divine prerogative.
In any case, Nazi ruling authority was maintained in the name of the higher biological principle.
Among the biological authorities called forth to articulate and implement “scientific racism” — including physical anthropologists, geneticists, and racial theorists of every variety — doctors inevitably found a unique place. It is they who work at the border of life and death, who are most associated with the awesome, death-defying, and sometimes death-dealing aura of the primitive shaman and medicine man. As bearers of this shamanistic legacy and contemporary practitioners of mysterious healing arts, it is they who are likely to be called upon to become biological activists.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  brent
January 1, 2020 6:23 pm


Correct me if I am wrong, but I have a memory that this ‘most respected medical journal’ published reports that the Israeli army was using an advanced weapon system that completely vaporised its victims. Context, from memory, was that Israel was conducting operations against Palestine and this new weapon was vaporising people, allowing Israel to get away with the death of innocent civilians because there was no longer any dead body to be used as proof.

Correct me if I am wrong, but my memory is Lancet printed this without a hint of irony or question.

I also believe the same article made claims of horrible use of White Phosphorus (gasp) in the same operation. Now sorry kids, but we need to be pragmatic here. There is a reason militaries don’t use WP to attack soft (ie – infantry) targets – it isn’t very good at it. Being pragmatic about the most affective way to cause casualties on the enemy the British did a study on WP in the anti personal role and concluded that standard temperate clothing (long sleeves and pants) were enough to counter most of the effects. Yes I do fully understand that WP can stick to the skin and can burn deeply. The people running the study knew this as well. They however discovered that if the WP stuck to the clothing it was – in practical terms – rather useless in causing casualties and hence they were better off using high explosive and removing the target’s ability to fight via overpressure and multiple jagged pieces of metal.

This was not remotely a ‘humane’ decision. Remember this is the same era where burning someone to death with flame throwers (and or roasting their lungs with super heated air till they painfully suffocate) WAS a perfectly good solution for clearing enemy bunkers. They were very well aware of the terror aspects of using flame throwers and openly exploited this. Burn the first bunker and the second and third bunkers start to think hard about surrendering. Flame throwers worked as weapons, hence they were used. WP worked as a smoke creator (and still does) but as a method to neutralise targets it was inferior to high explosives.

Get back to original point, WP is used to create tactical smoke. Modern armies will very very rarely use it to neutralise soft targets because high explosives are more effective. High explosives kill and maim. Sure you are less likely to get horrible burn scars, but the lack of scars is probably the least of your worries when most of your guts are lacerated. HE still kills and maims and disfigures and is still a weapon that must always have its use justified. Yet Lancet, without any actual proof, went off on the continued cultural fantasy that WP was being deliberately being used and did this primarily because it supported the social narrative of Arabs Good/Israel Bad.

I question Lancet.

Reply to  Kenji
December 31, 2019 11:46 pm

Lancet Editor: Protesting Climate Change Is a Doctor’s Duty

Reply to  brent
January 1, 2020 12:54 am

Correction: The Lancet WAS one of the most respected medical journals in the world.
Now its a rag and IMHO Horton is an abuser and has violated the code of ethics that he is supposed to support.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  brent
January 1, 2020 4:36 am

“Lancet Editor: Protesting Climate Change Is a Doctor’s Duty”

The Doctor’s duty is to examine the human-caused climate change claims scientifically. If they did, instead of relying on others for confirmation, then they would realize that they don’t need to protest something that is harmless like CO2. And the doctors don’t need to do their own research on the subject, all they need to do is read the literature of both the alarmists and the skeptics. A critical thinker can figure out what is what.

There is no evidence that CO2 is causing any harm or changing the Earth’s weather. An open-minded scientist ought to be able to figure this out pretty quick.

Take a big dose of WUWT and call me in the morning. 🙂

Happy New Year/Decade, everyone!

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  brent
January 1, 2020 6:54 am

Whether it is violent or non-violent protests, the problem is the same – misguided advice and misguided young leading to anti-depressants.

Reply to  Kenji
January 1, 2020 12:34 am

Progress has meant reproductive rites, color discrimination (“diversity”), and sociopolitical constructs (e.g. “=”). The conflation of logical domains to sustain a consensus and support a belief in [catastrophic] [anthropogenic] cooling… warming… change, is a baby step, at best, for the Pro-Choice religion.

Reply to  Kenji
January 1, 2020 12:47 am

I have been looking, but cannot find any society or professional body representing psychologists or similar who will support the deprogramming. They are all in lockstep with this climate lunacy.
I have done a few “interventions” as I am quite well known locally as a climate realist, and have been asked to help by parents. I have no credentials in psychology or similar.
I have actually approached three practitioners in my region who might be able to help, but got no response.
No way is some kid on my patch going to get drugged up, or commit suicide because of this madness.

Reply to  Martin Clark
January 1, 2020 4:36 am

Doctors for Disaster Preparedness (DDP) are concerned to be ready for real disasters and not be distracted by irrational fears like global warming/climate change. They have provided a useful resource for people to test and deepen their knowledge of an issue distorted for many people by loads of misinformation and exaggerations.  Their website has a lesson set called the Climate Change IQ (CCIQ) providing a good skeptical critique of ten top alarmist claims. The format is succinct and non-technical. Each alarmist claim is posed as a question, followed by a short skeptical answer, which is highlighted with a single telling graphic. Links to supporting documents are also shown. 
DDP website is http://www.ddponline.org/category/cciq/
My synopsis is https://rclutz.wordpress.com/2018/01/16/hows-your-cciq/

Reply to  Ron Clutz
January 1, 2020 5:38 am

Thanks Ron (for your stuff and the DDP link). That will be helpful. While I may not be a “Doctor”, disaster preparedness was a large part of my job for two decades. This involved setting design wind speeds, and checking building approvals for compliance, assisting with post-cyclone assessments, checking and advising on minimum habitable floor levels, assessing potential for problems with drainage that might not be picked up under engineering assessments, eg possible (literal) log-jams, blockages due to vehicles, dead cattle etc. I and others regard the clamour of climate alarmists as a personal insult. We deal with climate sameness not climate change. We have been doing this stuff for a long time and we have produced results. Far fewer damaged buildings, and and massive reduction in casualties.
Half-witted politicians handing out $A444 million to “save the [Great Barrier] Reef” when all the important work has already been been completed by local consortiums; Councils, farmers, engineers, Land Care etc. REAL work in the form of wetland filter enhancements, sediment run-off reduction, buffer zones.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Martin Clark
January 1, 2020 4:46 am

“I have been looking, but cannot find any society or professional body representing psychologists or similar who will support the deprogramming. They are all in lockstep with this climate lunacy.”

I think they all need deprogramming, too. The Mass Delusion reaches far and wide, and native intelligence doesn’t seem to be an offsetting factor. It apparently is not intellectual, it is emotional. If it were intellectual, then everyone would see what skeptics see: That there is no evidence for human-caused climate change. But they don’t look because they assume someone else has already looked and found. They would be wrong. And it seems their emotional bias prevents them from seeing this. That’s my theory anyway.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 1, 2020 10:34 am

Psychiatry and psychology are extremely lucrative professions that are rewarded via notoriety rather than accomplishments.

Reply to  Kenji
January 1, 2020 3:29 am

Good comments Kenji – there was a good reason why I published this article on July 4.

By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., July 4, 2019

1. Introduction.

Ever wonder why extremists attack honest scientists who oppose global warming and climate change hysteria? Ever wonder why climate extremists refuse to debate the science?

It is because global warming and climate change alarmism was never about the science – it was always a false narrative, a smokescreen for the totalitarian objectives of the extreme left.

The novel “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, written by George Orwell in 1949, foresaw a time “when much of the world has fallen victim to perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance, historical negationism and propaganda”. It now appears that Orwell had remarkable foresight.

Here is the real “Nineteen Eighty-Four”, an interview that year with ex-KGB officer and Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov, who described their long-term program to ideologically undermine the western democracies. Jump to 1:07:30 for Bezmenov’s discussion of “ideological subversion”. It is all about manipulating the “useful idiots” – the pro-Soviet leftists within the democracies.

One commenter on the video wrote: “this is crazy, almost everything predicted by this guy is already happening.” Bernie Sanders, AOC and other socialist-Democrats are openly saying what Bezmenov predicted decades ago. The last democracies are under attack by leftist extremists.

All over the world, countries that once had a future have fallen into dictatorship, poverty and misery. It is notable that of the ~167 large countries in the world, most are totalitarian states, and all but “the chosen few” citizens of these countries suffer under brutal leftist dictatorships.

Radical greens have used wildly exaggerated stories of runaway global warming and climate change to stampede the gullible, in order to achieve their political objectives. The greens claim to be pro-environment, but their policies have done enormous environmental damage. Radical greens have also been destructive to humanity, causing millions of deaths. I wrote recently:

“Modern Green Death probably started with the 1972-2002 effective ban of DDT, which caused global deaths from malaria to increase from about 1 million to almost two million per year. Most of these deaths were children under five in sub-Saharan Africa…”

“…radical greens (really radical leftists) are the great killers of our time. Now the greens are blinding and killing babies by opposing golden rice…”

“The Green movement is really a smokescreen for the old Marxists – and they are the great killers of our age.”

mike macray
January 1, 2020 5:49 am

Excellent comment Allan!
Couple Bezmenov’s explanation of the KGB 4 stage program: 1. demoralise, 2. destabilise, 3. create a crisis and 4. ‘normalise’ i.e. send in the troops and seize power with Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals (1971) and you have a pretty good road map of how we got here from there .
By the way are you sure you spell your name correctly?
Cheers and HNY.

Reply to  mike macray
January 1, 2020 7:34 am

re: ” KGB 4 stage program:”

Right in line with that, KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov’s warning to America video (its interesting to hear it in his own words):

Reply to  _Jim
January 1, 2020 10:53 am

Thank you Jim for your link to Yuri Besmenov’s 1984 interview, which I believe is excerpted from the longer interview I referred to above.

That longer interview has been censored by the “thought police” at YoutTube, replaced with the following caption:
“This video has been removed for violating YouTube’s policy on hate speech. Learn more about combating hate speech in your country.”

The Bezmenov interview is in no way “hate speech” – and censoring the longer Bezmenov interview says much about the values and priorities of the “fellow travelers” at YouTube. The Soviets called these sycophants their “useful idiots” in the West, who would help them to defeat the western democracies and replace them with Marxist dictatorships.

A few quotes by Lenin will shed further light on this process:

We can and must write in a language which sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us.
[There are many such examples in the global warming/climate change scam – for example, climate scammers call climate skeptics “deniers” and refuse to debate the bogus CAGW “settled science”.]

Truth is the most precious thing. That’s why we should ration it.
[aka “Lie, lie, lie!”]

There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.

Free speech is a bourgeois prejudice.

The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses.

People always have been and they always will be stupid victims of deceit and self-deception in politics.

It is, of course, much easier to shout, abuse, and howl than to attempt to relate, to explain.

Democracy is indispensable to socialism.

The goal of socialism is communism.

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.

Trust is good, but control is better.

As an ultimate objective, “peace” simply means communist world control.

One of the basic conditions for the victory of socialism is the arming of the workers Communist and the disarming of the bourgeoisie the middle class.
[aka “We must get rid of the Second Amendment and disarm the populace.”]

One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.
[Is that four years of public school or four years of university, or both? Why are so many teachers doctrinaire leftists?]

Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.


January 1, 2020 11:05 am

re: “That longer interview has been censored by the “thought police” at YoutTube”

Ya. “1984” (Orwell) is here, it was just slooow in arriving, and is arriving via private enterprise rather govt (excepting possibly GB and Germany lately) policy (ALTHOUGH in the overall that does not seem far behind.)

Reply to  _Jim
January 1, 2020 11:51 am

Thank you again Jim.

This is a very important video – can anyone tell me how to save the entire video somewhere that it will not be censored by YouTube’s fellow travelers?

Regards, Allan

Reply to  mike macray
January 1, 2020 11:42 am

Happy New Year (Hogmanay) to my kinsman Mike MacRay,

As you know, there are about 20-30 different spellings of the name MacRae, between the Gaelic and the English. Faites votre choix. 🙂

Our name McRaith (MacRae) traces back to ancient Ireland and is found written in Ogham script on a ~6th-Century tombstone near Cork.
Source: “Studies in Irish Epigraphy”, R. A. Stewart Macalister, M.A., F.S.A., 1907, pp.65-67

MacRae – Origins
Loch Duich and Eilean Donan castle, seat of the Clan MacRae


“The name MacRae or Macrae began by being given to individual men in various places who were thought to be endowed with an unusual gift of sanctity and grace. In the eleventh and twelfth centuries it was used as the personal name of lords, poets and mostly, ecclesiastics. The earliest traditions point towards an Irish origin of the Clan.
During the Scottish-Norwegian War the Clan MacRae fought for King Alexander III of Scotland at the Battle of Largs in 1263 against the Norse Viking army of King Haakon IV of Norway. The Norwegians were defeated and driven out of Scotland.”

Clan legend has it that the Vikings weren’t really all that tough. Ancient stories relate that “We partied with the Vikings on the beach at Largs in 1263 – we must have been poor hosts because they never came back again.”

Yours aye, in “sanctity and grace”, Allan MacRae of the Clan MacRae 🙂

January 1, 2020 1:18 pm

We’re off to a great start of 2020 with this conversation! Thank you for tying the very serious situation we face with brainwashed and now depressed young people, with the warnings from Yuri Bezmenov!
Putting great minds together to figure out how to deprogram brainwashed people is key to finding our way out of this.
What is at the heart of the “emotional bias'”that Tom Abbott writes about, preventing people from having a gestalt once they’ve been provided with enough information?

mike macray
January 2, 2020 4:37 pm

..Yours aye, in “sanctity and grace”, Allan MacRae of the Clan MacRae 🙂

And a Happy Hogmanay to you my long lost Kinsman!
May the drones of the piper be well tuned as he bears the Haggis to your table, and the poet recites the immortal words of that great Scottish poet Rabby Burns: “Fair fa’ your honest, sonsie face,
Great Chieftain o’ the Puddin-race!
Aboon them a’ ye tak your place,
Painch, tripe, or thairm;
Weel are ye wordy of a grace
As langs my arm.
Please translate .. if you can!
Mike Macray

Reply to  Kenji
January 1, 2020 7:59 am

Offline: What is medicine’s 5 sigma? Lancet Editor Richard Horton

“A lot of what is published is incorrect.” I’m not allowed to say who made this remark because we were asked to observe Chatham House rules. We were also asked not to take photographs of slides. Those who worked for government agencies pleaded that their comments especially remain unquoted, since the forthcoming UK election meant they were living in “purdah”—a chilling state where severe restrictions on freedom of speech are placed on anyone on the government’s payroll. Why the paranoid concern for secrecy and non-attribution? Because this symposium—on the reproducibility and reliability of biomedical research, held at the Wellcome Trust in London last week—touched on one of the most sensitive issues in science today: the idea that something has gone fundamentally wrong with one of our greatest human creations
The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant confl icts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn towards darkness. As one participant put it, “poor methods get results”. The Academy of Medical Sciences, Medical Research Council, and Biotechnology and Biological Sciences Research Council have now put their reputational weight behind an investigation into these questionable research practices. The apparent endemicity of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fi t their data. Journal editors deserve their fair share of criticism too. We aid and abet the worst behaviours. Our acquiescence to the impact factor fuels an unhealthy competition to win a place in a select few journals. Our love of “significance” pollutes the literature with many a statistical fairy-tale. We reject important confirmations. Journals are not the only miscreants. Universities are in a perpetual struggle for money and talent, endpoints that foster reductive metrics, such as high-impact publication. National assessment procedures, such as the Research Excellence Framework, incentivize bad practices. And individual scientists, including their most senior leaders, do little to alter a research culture that occasionally veers close to misconduct

Reply to  brent
January 1, 2020 11:10 am

Intriguing, and seems to run counter to Horton’s stance vis a vis XR above.

Reply to  Fanakapan
January 1, 2020 2:52 pm

Horton recognized that “science has taken a turn towards darkness”. Now with his position wrt CAGW he is supporting the turn toward darkness!!

Reply to  brent
January 2, 2020 10:30 am

The further excerpt below discusses a “significance is set at 5 sigma”. While this is probably too high for a natural science like climate, any reasonable requirement for statistical rigour would cause the false CAGW hypothesis to disappear in a puff of toxic smoke.

The very-scary CAGW hypo has already been falsified many ways, and has huge negative credibility. Nobody should believe the CAGW scam or its proponents.

Tony Weidberg is a Professor of Particle Physics at Oxford. Following several high-profile errors, the particle physics community now invests great effort into intensive checking and rechecking of data prior to publication. By filtering results through independent working groups, physicists are encouraged to criticise. Good criticism is rewarded. The
goal is a reliable result, and the incentives for scientists are aligned around this goal. Weidberg worried we set the bar for results in biomedicine far too low. In particle physics, significance is set at 5 sigma—a p value of 3 × 10–7 or 1 in 3·5 million (if the result is not true, this is the probability that the data would have been as extreme as they are). The conclusion of the symposium was that something must be done.

December 31, 2019 10:38 pm

He should do something to help them. He should stop providing fossil fuels to California. And stop all of the other oil, gas and coal companies supplying California. Then, he should cut the interconnectors that allow California to keep the lights on, even though the don’t have enough power generation.

Then, they might have something real to be depressed about.

Lee L
Reply to  Hivemind
January 1, 2020 1:47 am

Of course DAUGHTER could easily just give up all fossil energy as a personal choice. She could then muck out stalls and sleep in the barn to earn enough money to buy a horse for transport. She could join UBER to help the horse earn its keep. amd she could use only horse harvested cotton for her clothing.
NOt sure what she will do if she has to heat her home or dig a large hole without petroleum products but I’m sure there must be a way.

Reminds me of my twenty something relative who leans very left, and meme-argues for saving the planet from fossil energy yet .. somehow .. must frequently transport himself by air to exotic locations around the world for the reason of … travel .. and maintains an econo car which he chose to drive from Washington to Northern Cal at Christmas for the sole reason of enjoying a 2 day Christmas visit with friends(1599 miles return). How DARE he?

Yea.. such a crisis.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Hivemind
January 1, 2020 4:49 am

“He should do something to help them.”

What the BP executive should do is educate himself on the harmlessness of CO2 and then educate his daughter, and then have her educate her fearful friends.

Ignorance of the facts is the common problem here.

Paul the Geologist
December 31, 2019 10:54 pm

Is that a benzene ring in that drug? OMG! It’s petroleum based! How depressing.

Reply to  Paul the Geologist
January 1, 2020 4:41 am

Kudos. (I wonder how many people, in the first read of your comment, understood the meaning? I’m not a chemist (maybe well-read, but far from being a chemist) but understood completely …)

Reply to  Paul the Geologist
January 1, 2020 5:09 am

Not necessarily, but probably. You’d be surprised at all of the natural and otherwise compounds that contain benzene rings.

Anyway, a question for chemists/pharmacists. Why is the hydrogen on the aromatic hydroxyl group shown as a line?

I know it would be the most acidic hydrogen and many drugs are formulated as the hydrochloride, but I did a quick search and didn’t find an answer.

Reply to  Scissor
January 1, 2020 7:46 am

Its not a hydrogen but a methyl group.

Reply to  Mike
January 1, 2020 8:07 am

re: “Its not a hydrogen but a methyl group.”

Which is an alkyl derived from methane , so, close.


Reply to  _Jim
January 1, 2020 11:35 am

You’re both correct. That should have been obvious to me. Perhaps its angle threw me off. Cheers

Gunga Din
Reply to  _Jim
January 1, 2020 3:08 pm

So … more “Carbon Pollution”?

mike macray
Reply to  Paul the Geologist
January 1, 2020 5:32 am

Good one! Paul the Geologist!

December 31, 2019 11:16 pm
January 1, 2020 12:11 am

Well done Greta windbag, pushed her worries and scare stories onto innocent children.
Children of the 30s, 40s,50s,60s and 1970s had real worries, hunger , war, deprivation, the threat of nuclear war etc and we all managed. This invention of the rich leftist young is a distraction to the real threat, overpopulation, water shortage and hunger.

Coeur de Lion
January 1, 2020 12:23 am

Bob Dudley’s message also included facts and figures about the relationship between fossil fuels and ‘renewables’ out to 2050. As per BP’s magisterial forecasts. I have sent the text to the BBC in the form of s Complaint insofar that they have been puffing the weird views of Carney the retiring Ban of England chief but, because of bias, neglecting this.

January 1, 2020 12:27 am

Get involved in energy? thats all a STEMy isnt it? they would be at risk of learning how things actually work?

Much better to regurgitate mantras and take pills

Reply to  yarpos
January 1, 2020 1:39 am

” … They would be at risk of learning how things actually work? …”

Not with University of Sydney’s Dean of the Faculty of make-it-up-as-you-go-along doom-science.

January 1, 2020 1:03 am

How about telling the silly little bitch to shape up and stop her bedwetting?

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Graemethecat
January 1, 2020 5:53 am

How do you know she’s little?

Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
January 1, 2020 6:28 am

re: “How do you know she’s little?”

Because, ‘fat and happy’ seem to go hand in hand? (There is a reason anecdotal colloquialisms of this sort make their way into a culture’s language.)

January 1, 2020 1:14 am

Now that is depressing. The illness and ignorance of the left projected upon others. Parents not only allowing but facilitating the theft of their kids childhoods. Cultish.

January 1, 2020 1:25 am

Well I’ve lived in N. California for 40 years now. Can someone let me know where I can go and see examples of this climate emergency with my own eyes? I saw a fallen tree a few weeks ago. Is that one? Bay water level rise – can’t see a difference from when I arrived here, and I do a lot of wading bird watching at the nature reserves on the Bay? I remember 100 degree days were more prevalent once. Is this part of the global cooling part of global warming?

Happy New Year everyone.

Reply to  philincalifornia
January 1, 2020 10:03 am

Phil, I’ve lived here for a bit more than 64 years … inland in Sacramento, in the South Bay, and then in a beautiful little East Bay suburb for most of those years. Nope. I cannot detect one little bit of difference. Except one winter it was so cold that my outside pipes FROZE SOLID here in the Bay Area suburb, and one summer that it was really hot … not unusually so … but the usual Bay Area fog was absent for a couple weeks. That’s it. Otherwise, “deadly” normal. “Deadly” routine. Oh! And I’ve experienced several “droughts” and several “monsoon” rainy seasons. They appear to be cyclical … as in … routine. And what’s really gonna bake your noodle!? Housing prices just keep going up! up! up! That’s the ONLY thing causing a “climate migration” away from CA.

January 1, 2020 1:29 am

“Daughter’s Friends on Anti-Depressants Because of Climate Change …”

Because teenage girls never get depressed about anything else, right. OK.

In our day it was the ever present threat of imminent thermonuclear war. I’m pretty sure that’s a bit more depressing than needing to turn the aircon a tad.

Reply to  WXcycles
January 1, 2020 7:03 am

Used to be, young girls seemed to fixate on horses, horse ‘love’ stories for lack of a better term … my sister at that age fell for – can’t recall the name – in the 70’s time frame.

January 1, 2020 1:43 am

The stupidity of these kids on antidepressants is depressing.

Reply to  Tony
January 1, 2020 2:38 am

The kids are not stupid. Their depression is perfectly rational. Every source they can reasonably expect to have confidence in, parents schools, media, is pumping out the same uniform message of impending doom. I myself, like many others posting here, was upset by it (not for myself because of my age, but for my kids) until a few years ago.

Reply to  RobH
January 1, 2020 4:35 am

re: “Their depression is perfectly rational.”

A rational approach, in my mind, would drive one to endeavor in developing alternatives to present hydrocarbon use, while the irrational approach is to self-medicate, b*tch and moan while doing nothing practical BUT engaging, enrolling others in the same moaning exercise.

Recall, “insanity is doing the SAME thing over and over but expecting different results.” (Some say this was credited to Einstein, who admittedly was a ‘brain’, but I can’t vouch he ever said this. The words he might have used are more in line with: “If You Want Different Results, You Have to Try Different Approaches.”)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  RobH
January 1, 2020 5:10 am

“The kids are not stupid. Their depression is perfectly rational. Every source they can reasonably expect to have confidence in, parents schools, media, is pumping out the same uniform message of impending doom.”

That is exactly right, and is exactly the problem. This False Reality of Human-Caused Climate Change is firmly established among the politicians, professional societies, the Education System and the leftwing media of the Western world. This is what skeptics are up against. The skeptics’ saving grace is they have the facts on their side, or rather, they have the knowledge of the lack of facts on the part of those promoting human-caused climate change.

It’s really pretty amazing that all this promoting of climate doom and gloom, has taken place based on nothing but pure speculation (and some fraud) on the part of some climate scientists and a leftwing media bent on capitalizing on the situation politically.

But, it doesn’t matter how many people believe something, if that something is false, then it’s false. And as of today, there has never been one bit of evidence to demonstrate that human CO2 is causing any problems anywhere.

All those learned people are invited to prove that wrong. All they have to do is provide one piece of evidence supporting human-caused climate change. The truth is, they couldn’t do so if their lives depended on it, yet they are so sure they hold the correct position. Delusion. Self-Dellusion Mass Delusion. To the point that they are driving their kids crazy over nothing.

Patrick MJD
January 1, 2020 1:58 am

Kids these days always look for a quick solution to their problems, as long as it doesn’t affect their online-time, just prescribe me something, ANYTHING. Today, had my eldest step-child stumble out from their room mid-evening, barely awake, been asleep only most of the day, stuffed their iPhone 11 in my face and mumbled “Fix this………please.”, the last word was just audible. Not able to connect to WiFi, so no internet. Wasn’t anything at all to do with the fact the battery was flat? No!!!!!

Ron Long
January 1, 2020 3:09 am

Alinsky, author of “Rules for Radicals” in 1971, in whose living room Barack Hussein Obama launched his political career, rule number 9: The threat is often more terrifying than the Reality… He meant to utilize whatever level of threat to futures needed to get people to side with you, like mass starvation, enslavement, etc to get their support. The crazy doomsday predictions of the Anthropogenic Global Warming crowd are an excellent example of his Rule No 9. Impeach Trump because he wants to be King and skip elections is another example.

Reply to  Ron Long
January 1, 2020 5:02 am

re: “Alinsky, author of “Rules for Radicals” in 1971, in whose living room Barack Hussein Obama launched his political career,”

This has been a ‘rich’ decade (or two) hasn’t it? In the last days the “men without chests” are striving for an impeachment (which I contend has _not_ been accomplished as long as the house has only voted on a resolution, but not delivered on said resolution to the senate, said resolution purported to be ‘articles of impeachment’.)


Reply to  Ron Long
January 1, 2020 8:26 am

0bozo launched his political career in Bill Ayers’ living room. The same Bill Ayers who was photographed standing on an American flag and interviewed in the NYT on 9/11/2001.

Reply to  Babsy
January 1, 2020 1:27 pm

David Hawkins at Crowdsource the Truth@csthetruth.com with host, Jason Goodman, has been exposing these connections as well as the connections to the University of Chicago.

January 1, 2020 3:35 am


I emailed this letter today and received a receipt from the Minister’s office.

Jason C Schilling
President, Alberta Teachers Association

Cc: Hon. Adriana LaGrange
Minister of Education

Subject: The Alberta Teachers Association (ATA) and the False Crisis of Global Warming Alarmism

Hello Mr. Schilling,

I have a daughter in Grade 6 in a Calgary Public School, and I am very happy with her school and its capable and dedicated teachers.

I should also advise you that this letter has been reviewed by some of the most competent scientists in the world.

The following presentation by Michelle Stirling is a well-informed rebuttal of Tzeporah Berman’s climate speech to the Alberta Teachers Association (ATA):

The science and politics of global warming alarmism is an area of my expertise, and I probably know more about this subject than anyone in the ATA. I have an accomplished career on six continents and have made outstanding contributions to the well-being of Calgary, Alberta and Canada.

Based on my two engineering degrees and my decades of analysis of this topic since ~1985, I conclude that global warming alarmism is a false crisis. One of my recent publications is included below.

I am concerned that school children are being propagandized and some are suffering from extreme anxiety due to fears of runaway global warming.

It is simply child abuse to support this false propaganda. I am shocked to learn that climate activist Steve Lee “has already spoken at dozens of student assemblies at high schools in Edmonton, Calgary and across Canada”.

It is truly wrong for Alberta teachers to encourage our children to take a radical position on this false crisis. It is even more wrong to encourage the irrational fear that is destroying the feelings of safety and security of our children.

This letter serves to put you, the ATA and its members on notice that promotion of the climate scare is false propaganda that is causing harm to our children.

Yours truly, Allan MacRae
B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.

January 1, 2020 1:33 pm

Thank you Allan MacRae. This is precisely the sort of effort that these people need to be bombarded with in 2020. This is indeed child abuse!

January 1, 2020 3:48 am

Everyone, including children, can now relax and put aside their antidepressants as the Greenhouse Effect does not exist.

Delhi, India, has just experienced its coldest day since 1901. During that time the CO2 concentration has increased by about 40% so, according to the Greenhouse theory, everywhere across the globe has had a steady increase in the Greenhouse Effect making all temperatures everywhere greater than they were in 1901 as the CO2 change is roughly the same everywhere.

Hence for Delhi to get colder than it was in 1901 there cannot have been any Greenhouse Effect.

January 1, 2020 4:20 am

The universal prescription for an psychosomatic (all in the mind) illness such as in this case:

Sackcloth and ashes, as in the ‘olde times’ …


January 1, 2020 5:14 am

amazing how our society now is so good we have the luxury of being depressed and doing nothing?
past generations coped with REAL and far worse tribulations and mananged to handle it without pills or becoming a useless couch potato.
yes some self medicated with alcohol but the majority just shut up put up and kept going.

Joe Ebeni
January 1, 2020 5:16 am

Alarmists are just SO happy about spouting their catastrophic drivel and scaring the hell out of our youth. I used to give my grandkid a subscription to “National Geographic Kids” until the infamous Statue of Liberty pic.

John Bell
January 1, 2020 5:20 am

He should ask her how she can use fossil fuels every day, the little hypocrite asking him how he can work for a fossil fuel company.

Tom Abbott
January 1, 2020 5:27 am

This Human-Caused Climate Change Scam is doing a lot of damage to people. No doubt, there are countless people who have bought into this Gloom and Doom narrative and it is seriously affecting their lives.

And it’s all based on lies and distortions. The people Society depends on to give us the truth are giving us just the opposite and too many people are not able to sort out the wheat/truth from the chaff/propaganda.

When all these anxious people finally see the light of day, they won’t be blaming the skeptics for misleading them, they will be blaming the liars who lied to them.

mike macray
January 1, 2020 6:20 am

…’BP produces the equivalent of 3.7 million barrels of oil a day, and is directly and indirectly responsible for up to 491 million tonnes of carbon emissions a year…

According to my sliderule 491 GTs of carbon emissions should generate 1,104 GTs of wood, plants, and plankton assuming that the carbon is elemental and not its principal oxide. In the latter case BP’s contribution to the health and well being of the planet is only 301.3 GTs of cellulose.. still a worthwhile contribution.

Mark Broderick
January 1, 2020 6:46 am

“Top 5 most outrageous 2020 doomsday predictions that didn’t pan out”


“Thirty years later, 2020 has finally arrived. The Earth has warmed approximately 1 degree Fahrenheit according to NASA. The United States also warmed roughly 1 degree.
Elliott Negin, a spokesman for the Union for Concerned Scientists, declined to comment.”


Coach Springer
January 1, 2020 8:02 am

” there is substantial evidence of a link between anti-depressants, suicide, violence and homicide. ” More shocking news from the world of science. But the suicidal impulse is inherent in climate catastrophism and an absolute necessity as a lever on the rest of us.

Steve Oregon
January 1, 2020 9:57 am

Anti-depressant drug use will soar this time next year after Trump is re-elected. (side bar-George Will among the addicts.)

Woke Progressives seem to think that the more tantrums they throw the more they should get their way, be obeyed, handed control and put in charge of all things for our own good.

They cannot handle the rejection of their superiority.

January 1, 2020 11:57 am

Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.
– Vladimir Lenin


Christopher Hagan
January 1, 2020 12:01 pm

People do not understand the flip side of anti-depressants. Your emotions are flattened out and you start dealing with your life with your logical brain instead of the emotional part. Our emotions are what make us who we are. So do you really need to compromise with a spouse if feeling no longer matter?
That is just one example. Say I’m depressed due to the propaganda that they teach in school (remember depression is an emotion). I start taking medication and am no longer depressed but my logical mind still has the propaganda imprinted and my inhibitors that would stop me from hurting a skeptic is out of the way. Why would I not become more extreme in my relations to “save the world”. We are in a very dangerous place historically right now.
I have a friend whose 2 daughters actually think he is evil due to teachers saying because he supports them with an oil and gas job that he is killing the world.
Reach out with love and compassion to those that have been misled. Happy new year everyone.

Les Segal
January 1, 2020 1:34 pm

I have a suggestion. Send his daughter to North Korea for a reasonable period, say one year. Their GHG emissions likely rate in the lowest on the planet. Rural North Korea should be a wonderful place to breathe in life with little access to affordable reliable energy courtesy of fossil fuels. She can choose to remain after one year if that life style suits her, or invite her friends to join her for a “low carbon footprint” lifestyle. Should be a blast to see the result. We have a generation of indulged people in the West who are living in the very best of times, mostly free of war, starvation, etc. Perhaps being plunged into poverty and being told what to do, when to do, how to do, etc by a joyless controlling socialist/ communist government will be their future.

January 1, 2020 4:52 pm

There is no doubt that antidepressants are wrongly prescribed by ignorant doctors – I could give many examples from 40 years in a medical school, but all fall into two categories: to do ‘something’ because they have neither skills nor time to get to the real problem, and ignorance of pharmacology and pharmacokinetics. At least half of the individuals who are given antidepressants for valid reasons fail to get adequate doses, and the notion of tapering at treatment termination seems too hard for the average quack (patients need to be told this at the outset).

There are valid reasons for taking antidepressants, and for some they can be literally life savers. (Teenage angst is not a valid reason.) Dissing antidepressants as some have in the above thread is not helpful.

Craig from Oz
January 1, 2020 6:56 pm

I am struggling to open the source article due to browser issues, so may be incorrect, but believe the man in question actually said ‘daughter’s friends are on anti depressants’ and ‘daughter has questioned fossil fuels’.

I cannot see the line where he says ‘anti depressants BECAUSE of climate change’ and put it to you that this line was created by whoever wrote and/or edited the Daily Mail and as a result put it to you that this article is, well, Fake News.

Having said this I would also like to comment on the cultural acceptance of anti depressants. Personally I still mix with the sort of people who suggest that many of life’s problems can be solved by simply adding a teaspoon of cement to one’s morning coffee… and hardening the (cough) up!

I am not suggesting that mental health is not a problem – when the Black Dog comes to visit he can settle in very quickly. I openly admit to having dark periods of my own life filled with downward spiral. The point I am trying to make is that I managed to deal with my problems by identifying the core problems (and managing, eventually, to remove them) and by having a good social support network. What I didn’t do was attempt to mask the actual effects and carry on blissed.

My observations however is that culture is slowly beginning to not only normalise mental health, but almost actively encourage it. In other online persona I have been involved in fiction writing forums and the moderators, in an attempt to make the collective knowledge base of the forums easier to access, asked people to make posts listing their fields of experience and skills.

Now to me I was expecting this would be filled with such things as “my name is Donald and I am skilled at trolling on twitter”, or “I am Greta and I know a lot about million dollar racing yachts” and “Call me Craig and let me know if you want passive aggressive snark and/or engineering detail drafting (mechanical)”, but instead about half the posts being made were of people claiming to be experts in ‘suffering’ from various mental disorders.

Okay, maybe these people have been actively encouraged not to hide their condition, but the tone of the majority of these postings seemed to be actively bragging they had a diagnosed mental condition, it was something to be proud of and, ergo, they are now better than you.

If this is actually true it would seem that socially in some parts of the Western World it is now seen as desirable to have a condition and if you don’t you should change health care professionals until you find one who can give you one. With condition in hand you are now armed with every excuse you need. You are not really to blame; you have a mental health condition! Can’t deal with a problem? Get a new script!

Again, I wish to stress that I do not mockingly dismiss depression or similar issues. Instead I wish to point out that I live with a culture of respecting strength and that the strength to combat and defeat depression is something to be respected, encouraged and admired. Strength of personality is a credit. Reward that. Foster it if you feel members of your social circle are in need. Do not however encourage the suppression of problems through the use of mood enhancers. You may be taking anti-depressants because of your anxiety or drinking each night to hide the pain because your partner broke your heart, the point being that you still have anxiety and still have a broken heart and none of these are going to go away just because you close your metaphorical eyes really hard.

Leo Smith
January 2, 2020 4:38 am

New liberal. Woke on Coke

J. Pyle
January 2, 2020 9:52 am

I don’t doubt that we’ve scared these kids into depression, hopelessness and desperation. I also don’t doubt this is a problem almost entirely for the affluent and “educated” (that is, indoctrinated).

January 10, 2020 9:42 am

Climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer: Blaming Australian bushfires on ‘climate change’ is ‘alarmist nonsense’ & ‘virtually no basis in fact’

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