Guest OMFG by David Middleton
‘Oh My F*cking God’: Tesla ‘Cybertruck’ Fractures During Demo
Elon Musk’s Tesla has unveiled its latest vehicle, a bizarre pickup truck, to a largely skeptical public. The truck was touted as having “impact-resistant windows” that were promptly smashed inwards with a small metal ball during a live demonstration on Thursday.
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“You want a truck that’s really tough. Not fake tough,” Musk said, claiming that the truck’s body could withstand 9mm handgun bullets.
Von Holzhausesn then demonstrated the impact-resistant technology used on the truck’s windows, picking up a stainless steel ball and throwing it after a soft windup at the driver side window. The window promptly smashed, with Elon Musk audibly stating “oh my [fracking] god,” before instructing Holzhausesn to test the rear passenger window, which also promptly smashed. A video of the incident can be seen below:
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Imagine thinking your Tesla truck is bulletproof because the company said it has Tesla Armor Glass, you didn’t see this video before you bought it, and some hipster breaks your window with a little rock pic.twitter.com/kPv5uafP6s
— Jarrett Galbreath (@jarrgal) November 22, 2019
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More Tesla hate. Boring.
LOL! There is no defense. And stating facts is not “hate”. It was a disaster of such magnitude it could be mistaken for an SNL skit,
SNL or No SNL the truck looks like a POS.
What a rancid design.
Reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Homer designs a car.
MarkH, I was thinking one of the episodes of Top Gear when Clarkson, May, and Hammond design a car.
Regards,
Bob
Homer’s design actually made sense. It was just too expensive.
“Bob Tisdale November 23, 2019 at 2:42 am”
The Top Gear EV chassis was from a TVR, which makes sense. Teslas were going to use a chassis from Lotus IIRC but in the end built their own. Probably a good thing as LOTUS stands for Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious.
Design with straight, boxy (ugly) lines, i.e. simple, low-cost pressing tools. Could mean Tesla getting stingy.
Try no pressing tools ?
The design stages for any new vehicle follow a by now accepted route. Design Salon, Conversion to feasibility, Clay Model, Press tool production, setting up of the line, to name a few. Needless to say all of that takes money, and a sizeable development staff, neither of which Tesla would seem to have.
I’d have to guess, that the latest Tesla product is nothing more than a handmade lash up to enable Musk to throw some scraps to the fanbois ? As for the windows breaking, Musk is clever enough to know that the knocking of Tesla is such a cliche now, that having the windows break will get him even more publicity ? 🙂
“Fanakapan November 23, 2019 at 5:09 am”
I worked at the Honda (HUM) factory in Swindon, UK, in the 1990’s. Honda and Rover used to share stuff. Honda shared engines, gearboxes electrics etc (I used to date a nice lady in Honda purchasing then), Rover shared body panels (Rover 200 = Honda Accord). Honda used to reject up to 80% of the body panels that came out of the Rover plant just across the road. So they put in their own CNC pressing plant. A mighty machine it was.
It looks like a badly-thought-out Tinkertoy idea.
..it’s been my understanding that a ‘truck’ has a bed…..to haul stuff
truck.
[trək]
NOUN
1.a large, heavy motor vehicle used for transporting goods, materials, or troops.
A truck or lorry is a motor vehicle designed to transport cargo. Trucks vary greatly in size, power, and configuration; smaller varieties may be mechanically similar to some automobiles.
No where in those definition is a “bed” required.
Add, BTW, latitude, the tesla truck does have a bed. The back end, while closed in most of the images related to the demonstration, does open up to reveal a bed.
Cardboard and duck tape could have made a better looking “vehicle”.
What a ‘butt-ugly” mock-up.
Rocky
Did you ever see the Red-Green movie about the duct tape goose?
Just how much of that design is the battery? Looks to be at least half.
Then, exactly how much hauling capacity is left for non-battery hauling? One suspects that between battery and passengers, the truck can’t carry much.
Supposed to be rated for 7500 pounds.
3 different models ranging from $35,000 to $65,000.
Odds are, like the 3, the $35,000 version will get the most orders but only the $65,000 model will be built.
At least, so far as looks go, Tesla still has the other models S3XY…
Stated cargo capacity is 3500 pounds. That’s the same as the Heavy Duty trucks from Ford, Chevy and Ram. Based cargo capacity on an F-150 is 1,000 pounds which is why it’s call a half ton model.
The based model of the Tesla truck has a towing capacity of 7500 pounds with the highest model able to tow 14000 pounds.
The specs are quite impressive, especially at the price points. The design not so much.
The 14,000 lb towing capacity is in the yet-to-unveil, $70k three-motor version. The F250 Super Duty has >20,000 lb towing capacity and a sticker price below $50k.
The typical tesla battery is about 6″ thick and is bolted to the bottom of the vehicle and between the tires.The bead of the truck is 6.5 feet deep and the truck is about 6 feet wide with enough room to seat 6 people.
ATheoK asked “exactly how much hauling capacity is left for non-battery hauling?”
So, one of the higher costing units could haul my 27 foot travel trailer. I pull into an RV park for the night. “I need a site where I can recharge my Tesla.” Some would just laugh, the rest would tell me exactly what to do with the vehicle.
It’s a truck? Can I get a 4′ by 8′ sheet of plywood into the ‘bed’? (Sheets that have overlapping edges run about 49 1/2 inches.)
I think I’ll hang onto the ’03 F-350 with the Banks turbo for a while yet…..
To be fair David, I paid over $50K for my 12 year old 4×4 F-250 Diesel Lariat in 2008.
I will still race a Tesla towing trailers like my loaded Merhow Equistar 3-horse with 11.5′ short wall living quarters and bath, if the Tesla can even tow a gooseneck hitch, from St. Louis to Phoenix. I can get there in 48 hrs, the Tesla will likely be stuck charging at a place that has no horse-friendly lodging overnight since it’s range towing will undoubtedly be very short, just like my distance between fuel stops. Of course, my fuel stops are 10 minutes and back on the road. What do you do with livestock while charging a state of the art electric truck?
Tombstone, your 7.3 is superior in design and longevity. I wish they would have perfected it instead of screwing up with the 6.0 and 6.4 engines.
Tombstone Gabby, Tesla’s cybertruck has a bed of 6.5 feet and 78.8 inches wide. For comparison the F-150 (which is what it’s being marketed against) has bed options of 5.5, 6.5, and 8 feet lengths and 80 inches wide. So if a 6.5 foot bed F-150 will meet your bed-size needs, so should the Tesla, if it won’t than neither would the Tesla. (speaking only of bed sizes which is only one factor that goes into buying or not buying any particular model of truck). based on your specified dimensions, the answer appears to yes but only if it’s acceptable to you to have a couple of feet of the length hanging out the back (as I’ve seen on many a truck on the roads), same as if you were to try it was a 6.5ft bed F-150.
Really, you think this was an accident?? C’mon, if you watched the whole video you’d have seen where they compared auto glass versus tesla glass and the tesla glass survived a hard impact.
Either there was clear malevolence on the part of someone to install the wrong glass (possibly, but not likely) or it was intentional in order to get wider distribution.
For me, the glass wasn’t the problem. Did no one else notice that the truck shape itself comes from a 70’s horror sci-fi film. What, are tesla drivers going to start cutting pedestrians in half now?
/still loves musk for what he’s done with spacex
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spacex-explosion-today-starship-prototype-exploded-during-test-at-boca-chica-texas-launch-site-wednesday/
Do you know how many rockets spacex blewup getting to where it is?
Do you know how many rockets everyone has blown up?
While I will never buy a tesla, I have been in negotiation with spacex and will likely contract a smallsat launch in the next 2 years, along with anyone else who has any commercial launcher sense.
So, you invent a conspiracy theory? To protect Tesla?
Exactly what is/are Tesla’s experience with glass and optically transparent materials?
That they ‘claim’ to test auto glass is extremely suspicious.
Modern auto glass is extremely tough.
Which is why tungsten tipped hammers to break auto glass are popular accessories as protection against getting stuck inside a car; e.g. car gets submerged.
The tungsten tip is intended to force tempered glass to chip; where any damage is then catastrophic to the glass sheet.
Automobile companies have already hosted media events where windshield safety glass is harshley tested before witnesses; e.g. Cadillac, Mercedes benz.
Given the decades of efforts to strengthen glass and other optically transparent technologies; one must be suspicious of Tesla’s claims. It is more likely that Tesla relied upon existing technology and patents.
Getting sold on auto glass that is”unbreakable” usually means unbreakable by non-hard-metallic means. Yes, that includes most soft tipped pistol bullets.
What, you need a conspiracy to fake a video in order to make it go viral?
Do you know what youtube is?
Now, now rah. To be fair, it was far funnier than an SNL is currently capable of.
Is it a hate crime to hate Tesla?
Actually it is a hate crime to brand honest inquiry as denial of cultural orthodoxy. The kind of hate that causes little girls to scold adults for acting in a way that improves children’s lives and demanding a return to the dark ages of wooden wagon and boat travel and forest destruction for fuel.
Skeptics should keep the Spanish Inquisition in mind and actively fight back against the type of hate that is frightening little children into therapy. For this type of hate leads to torture racks and forced adherence to stupidity when authority runs amok.
re: “Skeptics should keep the Spanish Inquisition in mind”
Overblown in scope and the means used; Can I ask that you become fully informed on this subject? It gets OLD reading the same misinformation, misconceptions.
Yeah, totally unfair. Tesla doesn’t always lose money. link 🙂
Take away all the subsidies and Cal’s Co2 trading scam and yes the do loose money.
… hate. Appeal to empathy?
As for Tesla, surely they tested the glass before demonstration.
Shirley.
Stop calling me Shirley.
They did “Drop” the steel ball from a height onto the glass and it bounced. Those problem is far more likely to be one of having a different window glass mounted in the truck than what was expected for the demo
Musk and Tesla are major contributors to the overhyping of “green” tech. Many find his sometimes outlandish claims as regards his solar roof, batteries and solar tech to be credible. He enjoys adulation from many media sources. Here he is praising the capability of the windows, when he hasn’t even tested them in advance for his own scheduled demo. Touting the windows was a poor marketing call, but falls far short of abysmal for an engineering claim.
I struggle with Musk and find this telling. https://judithcurry.com/2017/10/27/trying-to-make-sense-of-musk-love-and-solar-hype/
And this. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/elon-musk-tesla-puerto-rico-renewable-energy_n_5ca51e99e4b082d775dfec35?guccounter=1
Funny…I saw the “Tesla to aid Puerto Rico” linked incessantly on social media. That is the first follow-up I’ve seen.
You can handle the truth?
The Biggest money earner for the near Tesler market is installing Gasoline powered gen-sets in there cars, ( Northern California )
It would be much easier to carry those generators in the truck. 🤣🤣
I don’t care about the tesla cars, good or bad, but Musk with his ego trip has tarnished the name of Nikola Tesla one of the greatest inventors and engineers the world has ever seen, and it is unlikely to see in foreseeable future, if ever again.
I don’t always agree with you, but this time you nailed it.
re: “one of the greatest inventors and engineers the world has ever seen”
No, not really; He was the Elon Musk of his time.
A more versatile and a man with MORE overall impact on tech in that day AND inventing devices that SAVED LIVES – George Westinghouse. Then there is Benjamin Lamme, who writes in his biography on both Tesla and Westinghouse.
Westinghouse was the man to whom Nick Tesla sold patents.
Westinghouse was THE man who invented and perfected the railway AIR BRAKE system.
Please, become educated: WESTINGHOUSE (Full Documentary) | The Powerhouse Struggle of Patents & Business with Nikola Tesla
It’s not a case of “Tesla hate”.
Tesla has picked up >USD4.5 Billion of US Govt handouts and has yet to make a sustainable profit or satisfy forward orders in a timely manner.
And this is the best that Tesla can do to promote a new concept?
Then again ……any publicity is good publicity (maybe?)
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/09/07/elon-musk-seen-smoking-weed-on-joe-rogan-podcast.html
Tesla fully deserves to be hated, mainly because of its lying, greedy, disgusting owner, Elon Musk. If any ever doubted that Musk has no taste, the design of this most outrageously ugly truck (?) will remove all doubt. Musk sucks and nothing any of his lapdogs can say will change that fact.
Anyone who doesn’t worship at the feet of Elon is a hater. Boring.
JWSC
Are you suggesting that it was hate that drove the little boy to observe that the king had no clothes? Why would you assume that everything negative about Musk is driven by hate? It sounds like a personal problem.
Sounds like someone has an expensive stock that is worth nothing.
JWSC: More Tesla hate. Boring
Please point out the hate? reporting what actually happened at the demonstration is not hate.
Not to worry, I’m sure these pickups will do well in really cold weather.
Haven’t you heard about The End Of Cold? Coming to a theater near you.
This made it onto the CBC (Canadian Broadcorping Castration) during prime time. Without the incident I think the truck would have been mostly ignored.
Was this an publicity stunt? People who care already know that bulletproof glass breaks when hit with a projectile. link
Another vehicle that will produce more toxic waste to manufacture, require more child labour and slave labour to source the materials for than any fossil fuel vehicle would require or produce in it’s life. And this is progress?
Shared… shifted ecological impact. Also, environmental, labor, and monetary arbitrage. That said, it’s curious that an uprising in Hong Kong would coincide with the first authentic effort in a long time by an American President to confront the arbitrage games played by globalism (e.g. anti-nativism) advocates. The same coincidence that underlies 12 trimesters of witch hunts, warlock trials, and impeachment efforts by Democrats, press, social media platforms, and patrons, foreign and domestic.
This is progress or monotonic [unqualified] change, less the imputed positive denotation and connotation.
There is a YouTuber called John Cadogan here in Australia who calls Musk “Electric Jesus”. Says Musk is convincing people to save the planet by consuming more. In that respect, he’s not too far wrong.
looks like SA govt is going to spend?? millions to add 50% more useess batteries to gain ONE hr of ???no volume listed) of power for blackouts
the ones we rarely hd before green schemes ruined our reliable coal and gas produced electricity
Apparently, SA has the cheapest power in Australia. I am not quite sure how that is worked out, but that is what people claim. They also claim SA sells it’s excess renewable power to other states. A lot of these people what deep cycle batteries are, lithium ion batteries are not deep cycle. How long will it be before the original installation will need to be replaced?
Patrick MJD wrote: “They also claim SA sells it’s excess renewable power to other states”
It was about four days ago – the wind was blowing in South Australia. They had more power than they could use. According to the AEMO site, they were paying (!) Victoria $1,000 per MW to take the excess.
https://aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#nem-dispatch-overview
Prices can change every five minutes. The data-dashboard shows five State’s current “demand”, ‘regular’ “generation” and “other” – wind, solar, and hydro combined. Interesting to watch the pricing vary as the ‘renewables’ wax and wane.
You believe that Govn’t website in 5 to 30 minute segments?
It is really easy to spit numbers out on a website.
Just wait until the SA battery gets a 50% upgrade!
Patrick MJD
I note your reply comments below. AEMO is only partly (60%) ‘government’, the balance is ‘private’. And yes, I do believe the figures shown on their web site. For five minute intervals, try:
https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard
In the right-hand upper corner: choose the “5 Min” icon. The five states are shown in the upper left-hand corner. Step through the states and note the spikes in pricing.
I’ve never come across the actual cost of the SA battery – I guess someone had to pay for the development of the pickup/truck.
How embarrassing.
You’d think someone would have tested it first.
Another one in the eye for the Tesla fanboys.
But their computer model said that wouldn’t happen. LOL
+ 1
Maybe they should have watched the 1934 Chrysler Airflow show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFl5pEe-7uo
(Rescued from the spam bin) SUNMOD
Looks like the same result Musk had. Must have been the wrong glass on the truck during the demo
Or the wrong truck behind the glass.
Elon Musk…cologne for millennials
Give me a 240/120 plug-in off the battery, plus I will put my 600 Amp diesel welder in the truck bed and I will be forever off grid and will unhook the utility. That will make life more energetic anywhere I go. I am not opposed to a robust electric truck. I dreamed about that since I was a little kid on the farm in the 1950’s.
“. . . I will be forever off grid and will unhook the utility.”
Good luck with that.
While I don’t have an electric truck with a huge lithium battery, I do have a lot of lead acid batteries and portable solar panels at one of my remote properties that I run my RV and camper off grid. Works great for half the year on solar, but does cost more of course than utility for diesel in winter. And a lot of lead acid batteries are a real pain. But it evens out over the course of the year if I were there year round. I truly hope they get this tech figured out since my example of an electric truck with 240/120 would be a huge asset for me and my business having my own reliable electricity anywhere without requiring the expense of hooking up to the grid and paying for electricity. Ideally, this EV Truck would have a high efficient micro ICE built in and save hauling around a heavy CAT diesel 600 Amp welder that has about 18 Kw output at 240V.
What I don’t believe presently is whether these lithium ion batteries will last for thousands of cycles for that many years. Like my lithium ion batteries for the chainsaw, lawnmower and all other power tools, it seems 3-4 years and 1-2 cells goes bad and the entire battery is toast. Just like the LED lights bulbs they advertised a 20 year guarantee for, but yet they have only been on the market for 3-4 years, and now already they fail. For 8 months of the year I am better off with the old incandescent light bulbs, if only for the heat they give off.
I watched that video last night. It all seemed OK until the door bashing section.
Elizabeth Holmes with a factory in a tent. It’s probably still early, but this clown’s pyramid of lies is beginning to collapse.
How much more capital will be burnt by scammers and why can’t the government spend 1% of its time on climate change instead focused on stopping sleeping drivers from killing people with their Tesla’s?
This is a publicity stunt. The truck’s shape looks unacceptable(ugly) until they create a situation that justifies a skynet vehicle from the terminator movies. And here we are talking about it, so it works. Who knows with all the muslim illegal immigrants one day you will need bulletproof stainless steel truck cuz regular cars will be smashed. I am in Europe.
Jani129
I have a friend who lives on a little island in kent, named, Isle of Sheppey, its a retirement island which was mostly white british family’s, but now a mosque has been built 😐
Sounds like you should be in America. Kindly emigrate.
We have mosques here. Just not everywhere – yet.
https://youtu.be/xXzzmOZP_RI
(I guess the Polo must have been a Tesla?)
It was funny, I have to admit….
but if you look at the numerous online clips of how to shatter a car window (which can be useful in case of emergency) you’ll see that modern car window glass is actually very difficult to break, unless you get a concentrated impact from a metal object… a ball bearing would be ideal!
What a lot of people misunderstand is that “bulletproof” does not mean the window/vehicle body will not experience any damage. It means the vehicle’s occupants will not be killed. Of course, all of this doesn’t take into account spalling. When bullets hit metal, the metal produces fragments on the other side that can fly around and injure the vehicle occupants.
Besides that, the 9mm handgun is a very low bar when talking about bullet proof vehicles. The soft point low velocity round does not carry nearly as much energy as typical rifle rounds. 9mm is less than 400 ft.lbs. A typical rifle will produce over 2000 ft.lbs.
Looks like a smooshed Delorean. Really ugly and cheesey, like 1970s sci-fi cheesey. Perhaps if Musk spent less time slandering heroes and violating securities laws he would have more time to ensure he doesn’t beclown himself.
Of course a glass piece is cracked when subject to that impact.
A bullet-proof glass is NOT supposed to be unscatched after doing its job, which is to prevent the projectile protruding through the glass, is special cases also preventing spalling ( small glass particles that may damage eyes).
It is entirely possible that EM did not know that – as indicated by the comments here.
yes.
My Jeep’s windshield has three small dings in it, where similar sized rocks hit it at 75 mph on the highway over the past 3+ years. Had my windshield been made of Tesla bulletproof glass, I would have had to immediately replace it all three times.
Then, about 4x the kinetic energy.
(Densty of steel /density of rock)
No. KE = (m*V^2)/2. The Tesla demo throws were probably around 30 mph (definitely, not a full windup fast pitch as one might see in baseball. If we conservatively estimate the throws at 40 mph, then (75mph/40 mph)^2 = 3.5.
The upper range density of granite is about 2.8 gm/cc, whereas the density for most steels is around 7.9 gm/cc. If the rock and the steel ball were the same average diameter, the KE ratio from mass alone would be 2.8.
Therefore, the KE of the thrown steel ball would be only about (2.8/3.5) = 0.80 = 80% of the kinetic energy of the rock asserted to have hit the windshield at 75 mph, under the above assumptions.
The rocks fell off of trucks on the highway and struck my windshield on 3 occasions.
I was traveling at about 75 mph. I saw the first one hit. It was about 1-2 inches. I didn’t see the other 2, just heard the impact. They left 3 small chips in the windshield. I would use 2.65 for rock density.
That was only strike two.
With one more try and a decent wind-up, Musk’s assistant could have thrown that ball in one window and out through the other side!
Ballistic glass…
Tesla glass…
Bulletproof glass comes in broad range of grades, basically what kind of threat youwant to protection from. .38 pistol or 30.06 FMJ, or in between.
Cost and thickness doubles per grade step.
So, the picture of the NYPD car is not very clarifying, IMHO.
Al-ON (Aluninun-Oxide and Nitrogen) would be better
@ur momisugly David Middleton,
Where were you doing 75 ?
Don’t answer that, the big question is the velocity of the rocks you encountered 🙂
I didn’t think of that. I was doing 75 mph on the highway. The rocks fell off of trucks going in the same direction at a bit less than 75 mph. So the collision velocity was probably only 20-40 mph, assuming the rocks slowed down after bouncing around on the highway.
In some of the northern states (at least) speed limits are 80 mph on the interstate highways. My usual rule of thumb is that I can get away with driving 15% over the speed limit anywhere. In an 80 mph, I mentally calculate 92 mph without worrying about the cops.
I take long distant rides on my Triumph Trophy SE motorcycle. In N Dakota, S Dakota, Montana, Idaho, and others, we pretty much ride as fast as we feel comfortable. No, we’re not kids. We’re on Medicare, which kicks in when you crack 60 years of age. But powerful bikes are exhilarating.
The first onw didn’t just crack the glass…it went right through (Musk remarked that at least the second one didn’t go through). That is not what it is supposed to do.
Actually, the first (and second) thrown steel balls bounced off the glass . . . neither went through the window glass. Please watch the linked video of the first throw in the article above and you’ll clearly see the ball drop from the window after impact and then roll back toward the thrower.
It created a hole in the glass, not a crack. “It went through” means if that were a bullet, you’d be dead.
I agree knowledgeable people should have expected the window to crack. Elon Musk and perhaps his supporters and development team did not expect it to crack. When his other technological ventures fail to perform adequately, the defense can be offered again that any knowledgeable person should have know n they wouldn’t perform as “expected/promised /marketed”, But that is hardly a defense of Musk and his efforts. That is the indictment that should be made now.
From
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126151_tesla-cybertruck-pickup-shocks-with-looks-performance-and-price
“Tesla was short on battery details but the company did state there would be options for over 250 miles, over 300 miles, and over 500 miles, with prices starting at $39,900, $49,900 and $69,900, respectively. Fast-charging at over 250 kilowatts will also be possible.”
So double the range = double the price (or close). When I wand to double the range of my diesel Land-Rover, it only cost a fraction than the car’s original price for an extra tank, or I can just load a few Jerry-Cans.
Where do you find a 250kW outlet at the moment?
I wonder what the practical range is, in the sense that pick-up trucks are often used to carry lots of heavy equipment, towing the boat or cement mixer down the moody gravel roads, with the cabin heater on?
To be fair a 3 litre diesel engine and a landrover transmission would make that a quite nice vehicle for some light forestry work.
What Land Rover transmission? The transmissions up to the LT77, LT380 along with the LT230R/T transfer case? All BAAAAD!
Heck! I bought a brand new 1994 Land Rover Discovery that had the intermediate gear compression “washer” (More like a copper tube) in the LT230T transfer case completely “unadjusted”, ie, not made correctly, not compressed, not pre-loaded, right out of the factory. And I paid for it! It’s no wonder Land Rovers are not made in Solihull anymore.
The comments about bullet-proof glass cracking when struck, like Gengt A. above, are correct. The glass isn’t supposed to totally fail and generate sharp fragments that cut the occupants. Also, how heavy was that steel ball? A bullet from a 9mm is going much faster but is much lighter, so the kinetic energy might be about equal. Elon Musk seems to be on a losing streak of late, I wonder what that is about?
The point made elsewhere was that while the front windshield is supported on all edges and would have survived the demonstration, the side window glasses are only supported at the sides. They therefore were able to flex and crack. His mistake was to pick on the side windows because they were in the view of the audience
The steel ball used here would have to be a lot heavier:
The kinetic energy = 0.5*m*V*V
where m is the mass of the ball or bullet and V is the speed.
Tiny particles in space can penetrate metal structures in satellites due to the enormous speed.
Exactly right. Also such factors as striking angle, compound obliquity due to curved surfaces, and projectile shape come into play.
Satellites and even the Space Station are not heavily constructed.
Most of their sheathing is thin foil.
There is a video on You tube of a guy breaking tempered glass, including the windshield, by throwing sharp bits of gravel at it. Glass is very sensitive to the sharp quartz points found in many kinds of gravel.
The so-called Gorilla glass and other solution strengthened glasses aren’t new, just more expensive. Our 2013 Toyota has a windshield similar to this stuff. I haven’t tried to scratch it because just the replacement glass costs twice what a standard temper windshield does.
But it does clean easily and seems much more clear than the glass in our older car.
I wonder what the weight of the batteries in this new truck are? On a purely anecdotal point, my local garage told me of a case where the owner of an expensive hybrid was less than pleased that after three years of ownership his batteries were now down to about 14 miles range before requiring a recharge. The future beckons (not).
Tesla electric cars are expensive, but I suppose fulfil the function they were created for.
I have no idea of Diesel/petrol powered truck prices in the US, the load they are expected to carry, or the distances they need to go before a refuel.
So can anyone fill me in as to whether tesla electric trucks are going to be practical and find a market?
In Australia, many pickup trucks are sold in a “sports” configuration. They never carry a load heavier than the weekly groceries, or go further from home than the owner’s office. That is the market Tesla is looking for. Inner-urban virtue signalers.
Bingo! If you look at the distances and loads that say a person driving with a horse to a rodeo is going to need, this truck just can’t do it. The specs have it about as powerful as an SUV. This is purely a vanity item. I have a real truck and I do real truck stuff with and I’ll be keeping my F150 thank you. It doesn’t even have a full sized bed. Where are you going to put bales or a deer carcass? A bunch of city people in the comments were saying terrible things about people who have pick ups as if everyone who drives a pick up is a yahoo and saying the government should force everyone with an F150 to use one of these instead to save the planet. I’ll shoot myself first.
We traded a hot new saloon for a 12 y/o F150 when we retired and used it to completely rebuild a house. It does guzzle gas, but it is still going strong 7 years later. Love that truck.
Tesla owners tend to be libtards. Truck owners tend to actually use their vehicles for work in construction, farming, etc. There is a demographic of owners of large trucks that are compensating for some physical deficiency. It’s possible that the Telsa truck could appeal to compensating libtards.
I see it replacing a Honda Ridgeline or Chevy Avalanche for a FOMO libtard who needs to advertise his monthly $gross- or $debt.
Range of up to 500 miles. Can pull 14,000 pounds and does 0-60 in 2.9 seconds.
That’s the $70k version…
An F250 Super duty is less than $50k and can tow over 20,000 lbs.
Trucks usually have stuff in the back and if it ain’t strapped down will end up on someone else’s bonnet/hood accelerating at that kind of rate. Lets not talk about stress loads while towing at 0-60 in 2.9 seconds. Pure gimmick!
Simon, Look at people who have done real tests with the Tesla X pulling something as small as a light camper. O taking it off road. Or using it in the winter. It’s eye opening
And those are the defects you can see.
What’s the GVM (gross vehicle mass).
Doesn’t matter how much torque you have if the weight sinks you to the floor-pan in moderately soft terrain.
Max mileage is usually quoted for dead-flat road @constant speed. Not lugging an extra tonne of battery up and down mountains, over rough terrain.
4” suspension travel is not very exciting, either. Sounds like it is more aimed at the yuppie end of the SUV market – a woke version of the “Toorak Tactor”.
PeterW
You said, “Max mileage is usually quoted for dead-flat road @constant speed.” And at room temperature, not -20 F.
…….or 120F.
Either way, the heater or aircon is going to suck battery.
It’s safety glass (laminated) on side windows, not yet a federal requirement here in the States. BFD.
It looks like it’s made from scrap left over from SpaceX, designed in spare time.
Let’s talk electric tugs. Those high-tech low, flat, remotely controlled vehicles that scoop the nosewheel and push aircraft from gate to taxiway.
Can tow aircraft up to 95 tons (A320, 737..). That is on flat surface, in low winds with aircraft engines off.
Battery capacity: 24 kWh, lead/gel type. Max operational endurance between recharges: 5km on rigorously flat surface, 15 to 20 gate short pushbacks. Max zero load speed: 5km/h. Vehicle only weight: 5’400kg. Battery cycles lifespan: unknown, estimated to 300-400 deep cycles. Charging time: 3 hours.
Just some numbers to illustrate the reality of towing. Which is what trucks are supposed to do.
Pickup trucks are supposed to haul things! Most people haul things in the bed far more than they tow trailers with pickups. ‘Either way, I bet this big truck driver won’t see any of the “Hot Shots” (Independent contractors hauling freight on trailers with 1 ton or 3/4 ton pickups) using a Tesla truck. Not practical for the distances they generally travel.
so if its a pickup truck
then where the hell would a 1ton haybale be put?
most of the old toyo trucks in Aus fit a large bale easily though some need the tailgate dropped
While the demonstration was rather “oops” with the side glass, it would have been much more preferable to have a demonstration of why many do buy pickup trucks and that is for the load capacity and towing ability. Crew cabs were designed for companies to transport workers to a work site, not for hauling families to a shopping center, which it seems to have morphed into.
Loading the unseen bed of the pickup with 30 sheets of ¾ inch plywood or ½ inch drywall would have been nice. Perhaps attachment points for ladder racks or hold downs could have been done. Rather curious as to why the range of towing a large trailer is not mentioned.
It has all the design input of an inverted wheelbarrow. I suppose the clever bit was putting four wheels on it rather than just the usual one.
Can’t wait to see how it goes up the local muddy hills round here. Wading through the swollen steams might be a challenge.
Right on Rod.
Reminds me about a Camel Trophy in Africa, where they used reinforced Land-Rover Discoveries and got issues negotiating some soft terrain, when a happy African passed by the same spot in his prehistoric lightweight Series One Land-Rover and asked if he could be of any assistance.
The electric milk trucks they used in England some 50 years ago, even though heavy, made a lot of sense. It was stop-and-go all the time over a short total distance.
Battery driven vehicles will be used where feasible, without the need to subsidize them.
If our governments really wanted to reduce plant food contribution from vehicles in an economical way, they would have continued the former trend of using LPG on the ICEs. Unless if I am mistaken and the fabrication of LPG creates more plant food than petrol and diesel production.
Musk’s demonstration reminds me of this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrTksfYEC64
Concerning the glass:
The glass did not fail. It behaved exactly like armored glass should. The steel ball did bounce off and the glass stayed in one piece instead of showering the interior with its pieces.
Tesla and Musk expected the steel ball to bounce off in the same fashion as in the prior test and Musk asked the other guy to try again with the rear side window.
Obviously in previous tests the glass behaved differently which implies they thought their armored glass to be superior to standard armored glass.
Tesla and SpaceX have iterative design and production as their core philosophy. So this is just a new data point for them and it will improve their knowledge base and their products.
TSLA is a massively shorted stock by a wide margin. If this were not the case, Tesla would habe a hugely bigger market cap and could move production and research much faster forward.
If Tesla only grabs 1% of the non-commercial 99% commuter truck segment, they will habe a decent demand for the cybertruck.
The average reaction was like “Ugh. What is this? Must be a joke before they show the real one.”.
Btw, exactly my reaction.
After seeing it from multiple angles and seeing it driving around it just grows on you bit by bit.
It is a new platform for them. Very easy to see that this will be a base for delivery vans and other small to medium commercial vehicles. E.g. delivery van for frozen goods, emergency vehicles, etc..
Just as a PR stunt – with the glass test “failure” being intentional – this introduced Tesla into conversations about trucks. “Did you already watch the Tesla fail?” leading to a much wider range of people talking and thinking about Tesla as a manufacturer of trucks while being exposed to “That ugly thing accelerates faster than a Porsche.”, “If I put a solar roof on my house, I can use this truck as a battery backup in case of power outages”, “The camping part isn’t to shabby”, etc..
TLDR
This one is at least a major PR success.
Lifetime Achievement Award
Why are you commenting on a post about a car when you are obviously not old enough to drive?
I wrote the post. Learn how to read.
Learn not to drink and post.
If you are unable to refute something, just let it be. It really doesn’t paint a good picture.
Cult psychobabble is self-refuting.
Have you reached the level of Deacon in the Church of Musk yet?
You might wish to brush up on your understanding of market cap vs capitalization.
You might want to brush up on the relation between market cap and getting favorable rates for loans.
Too fracking funny…
https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musks-fortune-hit-after-tesla-cybertruck-launch-fiasco-11867808
https://fortune.com/2019/07/29/tesla-bonds-discounts-debt/
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/eps-earnings-per-share-diluted
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/03/30/what-the-bond-market-is-telling-tesla-shareholders/
About the only thing Tobias got right is that the stock is highly shorted. Usually, the shorts in these cases are correct in the long term, though higher trading volatility is also common.
Sorry you are mistaken this so called truck couldn’t compete with my 1992 4.9L Ford F150. The only thing it can do that my truck can’t is give you a lot of electronic toys to play with while you wait for the battery to recharge. I can carry more load and travel almost 3 times further than the tesla truck( I have dual tanks almost 60 gallons) before I need to refuel. Then when I do refuel it only takes 6 minutes. My truck was bought used five years ago for $200, still operates perfectly, averages 21 mpg, does not require any oil to be added between oil changes and has 340,000 miles on it. I can buy a lot of fuel for $70,000.
But … but … I’m sure that after all the “because it’s GREEN subsidies and tax credits and free cash because it’s GREEN” (am I being redundant?) were eliminated, your old truck would not be as practical as … er … uh … not look as weird as a Tesla DeLorean!