Another Plastic Boat: Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg Hitches a Lift to COP25

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Looks like Greta might make it to COP25 after all.

Let’s all wish Greta a safe journey. I’m not exactly a fan, but there is a funny side to watching Greta scold climate hypocrites at public engagements, watching all those people who pretend to care squirm and hang their heads in the face of that unrelenting glare.

There is no guarantee Madrid will be the final resting place of COP25. A month ago there were large scale protests in Spain over the rising cost of living, and there is huge anger at the Spanish Government’s heavy handed response to highly active Spanish separatist movements. If the security situation in Spain deteriorates, perhaps President Trump could make a last minute offer to rescue the COP25 climate conference, by hosting it in the USA.

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219 thoughts on “Another Plastic Boat: Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg Hitches a Lift to COP25

      • Basically Youtube revenue is funding this boat. The couple who own it make their money from having built up over a million followers. That money bought their previous boat and that cat’ , worth almost a million bucks, was donated by the boatmaker for the advertising it is worth on a Utube channel with a million followers.

        https://www.rt.com/news/473347-greta-thunberg-yacht-flight-shame/

        So bottom line internet dataflow is funding this boat and that will probably go through the roof with the new starlet on board.

        And we all know how “carbon free” the internet is ! Greta’s voyage is about as low-carbon as bitcoin.

        • Crazy how the boat just appeared out of nowhere. Little online communication. These folks just happened to be in the neighborhood. And had nothing else to do. And it happened to meet Greta’s low carbon need. No, it wasn’t prearranged.

          • Larry said: “No, it wasn’t prearranged.” Are you quoting Adam Shiff? I think he added, “and it wasn’t rehearsed.” Greta’s travels and impeachment, not prearranged, we need a new word- ‘pre-deranged”.

          • This time of year there are a fair amount of cats and other sail boats moored up in the lower Chesapeake; Salt Ponds, Mill Creek, Hampton River, etc. ) Snow birds slowly migrating south for the winter.
            See https://www.worldcruising.com/Carib1500/event.aspx

            Interestingly, in the spring, there doesn’t seem to be as big of a concentration going back north.

        • Greg

          This is the boats owners…

          “Hello! My name is Elayna/Elay/Lay take your pick.

          Lets start with my roots. Mum is from Austria, she was a Catholic girl with strict parents and immigrated when she was 16 to Australia. Dad is from Romania, jumped on a flight (fled the country) when he was 20, after him and his friends made a small home made-bomb and blew up a milk factory (no people were inside, just milk).”

          “First thing I did was get a job to save up money so I could start crossing off a few things on my list … that also happened to include expensive plane tickets.”

          “It was well worth the pay check and it was what bought me my first flight overseas. The beginning of 5 years of travel.”

          “My best friend Erin and I flew to Europe for the summer and backpacked through 16 different countries over a period of 3-4 months. Some of the best times of my life on this trip.”

          “After my summer in Greece was over, I flew back to Australia to work again. ”

          “I had no money for flights over there and back and my boss (to be) way nice enough to help me out there and I signed a contract saying I would work for them for a few months and they would fly me to and from Australia.”

          “My job was great, I loved it and the people I worked with. I was reunited with a few great friends on the island who cannot resist but to fly back each year for the summer in Ios.”

          “I see a lot of my dad in me the older I get. I don’t think I’ll ever do anything as extreme as blow up a milk factory (yes, that part about my dad was actually true)…….”

          “We were running low on money, and nearly actually ran out before we took La Vagabonde out of the water in Grenada W.I for the hurricane season. We flew back to Australia to work again and try and get some cash together to help fund the next leg of our trip.”

          https://sailing-lavagabonde.com/a-not-so-brief-bio-elay/

          This is what RT said… While Thunberg is sailing across the Atlantic on a yacht with two YouTubers, bought with money earned from working on “offshore on oil rigs and in the mines of Western Australia 😐

          • … emitting untold tonnes of “carbon” flying back and forth to Australia as if they were going to the corner store for a jar of vegemite.

          • More likely protesting communism. If she’s an adult that can own a boat, her father was definitely in Romania under Soviet rule.

          • “I signed a contract saying I would work for them for a few months and they would fly me to and from Australia.”

            Indentured servant?

          • The are a number of boat cruising the world who fund their adventures by posting videos on Youtube. some post information relevant to their adventures but the viewership seems to be more related to the number of skimpy bikini shots per episode. They are not soft porn but there is definitely an element of titillation involved.

    • Soros and Gore are backing our little Swedish deludant. She is getting one heck of an adventure being the poster child for brainwashing of those with impaired cognition. I only wonder if she can really enjoy the ride despite being so hampered and chained by the delusions her parents have embedded and the evil activists have reinforced.

    • Who is funding Greta’s travels?

      The top (by far) of the “All in on renewables and carbon credits” countries. Sweden.

      Have a look into how deeply they would fall into a full blown recession if this shiz fails. No wonder they manufacture alarm/Greta.

      Oh, and S0R05 …

      • Actually “if this shiz fails” would be the best that could happen to Sweden. Sweden/Swedes doesn’t get anything good out of the climate hysteria.

        • – And the poll I saw, measured 82% of Swedes as “not buying it”.

          But of course, just like here, the government is; and who cares what that 82% think anyways? Just as the smallest percentage of Muslims are jihadis and the rest are heartily sick of the whole scene, the rest don’t get a say.

    • Advertising revenue pays for the blogger sailor as he has a huge following from the young 9-5 workday dreamers so taking Greta onboard would be great publicity for more clickers. He’s quite the entrepreneur from humble beginnings is our young Riley and his lady he met sailing the seas and his original modest yacht bought as an oil rig hand gave way to the luxury catamaran you see now that was sold to him for a song for its promotional benefits by the makers-
      https://sailing-lavagabonde.com/
      He’s from Adelaide South Australia and I know him reasonably well via my son and his footy mates and he’s probably a wealthy internet millionaire now if you look at the number of those subscribers. As they say work hard at doing something you love and you’ll never be poor.

  1. Why isn’t she going via Africa to convince the African states that are all criminalsand not listening to her!

    • Try finding Tesla power points between say Dakar and Tunis. Try even finding a Tesla in Senegal.

  2. I wish Greta well, safe sailing fair winds and all that. Can anyone blame me if I also hope the venue gets changed again to say, Montreal.

    • The Democratic Republic of Congo would be a more appropriate country to host COP25. Therein, young Greta Scoldberg could investigate the children who likewise are missing school, but not out of choice, because they’re forced to work, mining the columbite-tantalum needed for the environmentalists’ cellular telephones and the like.

      • Deadman,

        maybe you should investigate child labor in the DRC?

        I’m assuming, of course, that you:

        — use “cellular telephones and the like,” and
        — disapprove of child slavery

        But if either (or both) of these assumptions is wrong, please disregard my travel advice.

        🙂

        • Brad Keyes

          But Deadman makes no pretence of saving the world, so why should he?

          Greta, on the other hand make pronouncements like’you have stolen my childhood’ whilst bumming lifts across oceans from people who have benefited very nicely from fossil fuels.

          Greta has the PR machinery behind her to do something about the genuinely poverty stricken kids of the DRC, Deadman doesn’t.

          • Yep fair enough.

            Mind you, I think Greta’s salvific pretensions are meant to be construed narrowly (that is, limited to the imaginary climate crisis, not the real child-slavery problem).

            And it’s a simple fact that the classe climatique has made her childhood a psychological hell, by filling her brain with death threats. Complaining about that surely doesn’t confer on her a special moral obligation to all the other children in the world who’ve been abused in other ways, even if they’ve been abused much worse.

            Last but not least, if it’s unethical for her to use a cell phone (because they’re made of blood columbite-tantalum), then it’s unethical for anyone to use them (for the same reason). That’s how ethics works.

          • Brad Keyes – November 14, 2019 at 1:40 am

            Mind you, I think Greta’s salvific pretensions are meant to be construed narrowly (that is, limited to the imaginary climate crisis, not the real child-slavery problem).

            So, Brad Keyes, you have been sufficiently “brainwashed” by your beloved mentors that “you think” (literally believe) …… that Greta T knows she is a willing participant in a “junk science” flim-flam scam, …… RIGHT?

            And may I ask, …. “Brad, who was the “whistleblower” that informed you about Greta’s devious intentions?

          • Brad Keyes

            I have no problem with my ethics when a child’s options are confined to work, or die of starvation.

            Greta’s ethics (not really Greta’s, but her wealthy parents and handlers) are somewhat different.

          • Speaking of PR, what happened to Greta’s Father? We last saw him at the dock in NYC. Weeks pass never once did she post a picture of him. Now, they’re sailing back, story says he is going too. But still no pic. Seems odd to me.

          • “Speaking of PR, what happened to Greta’s Father? We last saw him at the dock in NYC. Weeks pass never once did she post a picture of him. Now, they’re sailing back, story says he is going too. But still no pic. Seems odd to me.”

            If he’s at all a typical father, then he’s the one taking the pictures. 🙂

      • Deadman

        The greens do not care about africa/asian slave labour, unisef in their 2019 report stated that 40+ thousand under aged children are working in colbart mines in the congo… King Leopold 2nd had over 10 million Congolese killed, and its never spoken of… Nikes, iphones and countless other products are made in countries with slave labour, but the Greens just want to save the planet with mass destruction for their batteries 😐 and the average consumers do not care where nike air jordans are made..

    • Tat would make for some tough tacking up the Saint Lawrence River in November.
      Has anyone called her out on the navigation under motor which undoubtedly needs to occur?

      • I expect that as with her arrival in NY, they will be given a push by another boat with its own engine.

    • Revkin notes Greta is facing 13 to 22 ft seas!
      https://twitter.com/Revkin/status/1194802168034971651/photo/2
      https://twitter.com/Revkin/status/1194802168034971651
      “More on the gale and 13- to 22-foot seas ahead of #LaVagabonde and
      @GretaThunberg
      . Best hopes for avoiding the worst. weather.gov/marine/offnt2mz ”

      “Don’t look now, but @GretaThunberg is already sailing straight into a gale warning, 30-40 knots of wind, and 35-45 knots by Saturday!
      forecast.weather.gov/shmrn.php?mz=anz925&syn=anz899…”
      https://twitter.com/kcoplan/status/1194717802105585665

      • I’ve taken a 37ft boat into 8ft seas, that’s crazy enough – can’t imagine taking such a boat into 22ft seas and gale force winds.

        • Hope they make it ok but if they require rescue Greta will NEED to accept the assistance of fossil powered Helicopters and diesel powered Coast Guard vessels

          • Nah, they should obey Greta’s wishes and let her float around in the middle of the Atlantic waiting for rescue by a sail boat. Hopefully WITH her stupid so-called “parents.”

        • 100% right! I recall recently going only about 2 miles on a jetski in only 2 foot “seas” on the Chesapeake. Walking would have been faster!

        • That boat is a cat as well. If it tips, it stays over.

          I don’t like that, no sir. Don’t like it a bit. Give me a monohull with a three-ton keel any day.

          • While I admire the couple’s courage and sense of adventure to take on the challenge, I can’t imagine how they can think it’s a good idea to risk their 11-month old baby’s life crossing the North Atlantic in November. Though they’ve (or someone) hired a professional skipper to assist, they really don’t have that much sailing experience.

          • They’re not going into the North Atlantic proper if the have any sense at all. They’ll go southeast first and then skirt the northern side of the Azores anticyclone. It will be slower but much safer.

      • Last time, during many subsequent satellite conferences with the “sailing Greta”, she wasn’t seen at all.
        The excuse was always the same: she was allegedly sleeping.
        There is a speculation, that she was secretly put off the ship and lifted by air to final destination.
        I assume, this time it will be the same, so don’t worry about this abused, rich child, she will be fine.

        • Capricorn One all over again?

          If the boat sinks with no survivors they are going to have to… ummm… deal with the loose ends.

          The other and more likely option is that Saint Greta IS actually on the boat, just bond and gagged after the crew tired of her constant complaining.

      • Remember, the lowest Plimsoll line on a ship is for “Winter North Atlantic.”

        That’s one badass body of water.

      • theres another shiela sailing with em, guess shes a minder or supersailor for the ocean theyre crossing?
        but they have a young child as well, so Id hope theyre going to be more concerned about the baby than gretas arrivals etc

  3. Goodness knows what the end will be
    Oh, I don’t know where I’m at
    It looks as if we two will never be one
    Something must be done

    You say Chile and I say Spain
    You say climate and I say weather
    Climate, weather, climate, weather
    Let’s call the whole thing off

    With apologies to Ella Fitzgerald

    • I think you mean George and Ira Gershwin who wrote the song for the 1937 film Shall We Dance where it was performed on roller skates by Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers.

      Ella Fitzgerald took it into her repertoire only after the film made the song a hit.

    • Or perhaps:

      “The wind in the wires made a tattle-tale sound
      And a wave broke over the railing
      And every man knew, as the captain did too,
      T’was the witch of November come stealin’
      The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
      When the gales of November came slashin’
      When afternoon came it was freezin’ rain
      In the face of a hurricane west wind.”

      With apologies to the EDMUND Fitzgerald!

      • Eternal Father, strong to save,
        Whose arm doth bond the restless wave,
        Who bids the mighty ocean deep
        Its own appointed limits keep;
        O hear us when we cry to Thee
        For those in peril on the sea

  4. The most amazing thing about this story is the accompanying photo shows her smiling . . . didn’t know she was capable.

    • Sailing will be good for her. Fresh air and hard work usually are. But she will also realize how small she is, and that’s a good thing.

      The commander of my first ship had a brass plaque on the bridge (yes we shined it) that said, “Lord, your sea is so great and my craft is so small.” That’s a healthy perspective. Psalm 107 likewise has a great section on this. I’ll pray she comes across it.

    • Wow! I wanna be a climate activist and own a $3/4M oceangoing catamaran. Who are Greta’s ferry operators? What do they “do” that affords them the $$ for a $M sailboat, and the free time to sail the world’s oceans?

      Honestly. I’ll stop being a “denier” if you outfit me with all their boating accoutrements (easily $1M) and a bank account which allows me to sail around the world, picking-up little climate change poster children, and uploading photos of our GREAT ECO ADVENTURE!

      Send me the $$$$$ … and then I’ll be “all-in” on global warming. I’ll even keep coming back here to WUWT and scold all you evil people. Because I’ll be RICHER than you slubs!!

      PS … nothing less than $5M. That’s my price to become a Global Warmist scold. Chump change for Mssr. Soros

    • Good link 🙂

      North Atlantic in winter, combined with a vessel that looks to be designed with comfort being on a par with seaworthiness ?

      I’m not sure I’d risk it, but it does at least show that the many observations regarding the behind the scenes habits of many Eco Saviours is hitting home.

  5. Risky business. A 15 meter sailing ship with a crew of 3 crossing the Atlantic West to East in November and December is not exactly ♯♪♫ a three hour tour, a three hour tour♪♫**.

    Good luck, Greta.
    .
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    .
    Were the couple giving Greta a lift already planning on going that way? Would they even attempt that crossing if it weren’t for the bit of publicity gained by hauling Greta along?

    **Gilligan’s Island

    • “The weather started getting rough. The tiny ship was tossed…”

      While we’re mocking this lunacy with the Gilligan’s Island theme song, it’s worth remembering some lines from the show’s closing theme: “No streets, no lights, no motor cars. Not a single luxury. Like Robinson Crusoe, it’s primitive as can be.” That the life these zealots would have us experience.

        • Well, in the novel Robinson writes that his family’s original German name Kreutznauer had been worn down gradually to Crusoe.

          And did you know there is a sequel to Robinson Crusoe, from the original author?

          • Robinson Crusoe on mars by the original author…heh.

            Actually it was a story of Robinson itching to be back to sea (the first cause of his 27 years marooned) and sailing to China and back. Highly fanciful and, to me, inferior to the first novel, Robinson Crusoe.

          • And let’s not forget “Lt. Robin Crusoe, U.S.N.”
            It’s more down to earth than “Robinson Crusoe on Mars”. 😎

    • I hate tobe a pedant but the engineer in me reckons you’re talkin around 11& a quarter metres, just multiply by 0.305 feet to metres, (yeah, yeah, yeah Iknow it should be 0.3048 but who’s counting – years of converting old imperial drawing dimensions into metric)! 😉

      • Alan, according to the review of that boat in the link Scissor provided, it is 48 feet LOA. I make that out to be 14.6304 meters – let’s call it 15m – not to be pedantic ;o)

        I retired from a small OEM manufacturing company where all of the customer’s product drawings were metric. The machine shop we used for some subcontracted parts required decimal inch drawings, so we converted our customer’s component drawings for them. The mix of U.S. and imported equipment meant maintenance drawings were either metric or decimal inch, and the fittings were a mix of ISO, British, ANSI, JIS, and SAE. To top it off, the engineer who helped to start up the company designed the assembly and fabrication fixtures in fractional inches!

        On the bright side, I never had to convert anything to furlongs, fathoms, or stones :o)

        • As a child I had to do sums in tons, hundredweight, quarters, stones, pounds and ounces. More in subdivisions of the ounce – minims and scruples. I still know that 1 mile is 1760 yards or 5280 feet or 63360 inches, with a nautical mile then set at 6080 yards, as well as liquid volume and area measurements in imperial units. I didn’t do engineering units, so you can eat your own slugs…

          • Perhaps that nautical mile was 6080 feet instead of yards? But you do better than I do since I do not know quarters, stones, minims and some would say I have no scruples!

    • Crew of at least 6: the couple and their 11-month old baby, Greta and her dad (assuming he’s not flying back), and a professional skipper.

      • icisil – By your count, that’s 3 crew and 3 passengers.

        Crew: Skipper, wife, hubby

        Passengers: kid, Greta, Greta’s minder/babysitter/parent/I dunno who it is.

        I can’t see counting on any of the passengers if things get rough and some serious sailor skills are needed. I’d think the passengers’ job would be to just stay the heck out of the way. One plus is that Greta and her guardian can be very helpful by watching the kid, which will allow both of the kid’s parents more time to sail the boat.

  6. In days of old, such a child travelling alone would have been easy prey for slavery , especially as a sex slave.
    Yes, just why is a 16 year old with Aspergers (who tend to be socially maladjusted, taking things too literally-the sort of person more vulnerable to becoming the prey of pedophiles and sex slave recruiters) allowed to travel around the world by herself??? Who is funding accommodation etc? Abandoning such a child to have to beg for transport with strangers? This smells of child abuse. Why isn’t she being taken by child welfare agencies and sent on a plane back home???

    • Because she’s not a child, she’s a young woman.

      I got a full time job the same day I turned 15, I had my own place and furniture three months later, and was not overseen or controlled by a parent or guardian again. My brother and sister dis almost the same thing. What is bizarre to me is adults still living at home with Mum and Dad, How do they expect to grow-up? A 16 year old is old enough to make their own way in life if they have to, or want to.

      • In most legislations in the west she is still legally a child(U.K. children act), although she is of an age where she is considered to have mental capacity (U.K. mental capacity act), get married with parental consent (U.K.) and have intercourse (U.K., 15 in France).
        We had a report in our local paper where the police were involved and warning schools because two men in a car spoke to a 16 year old school girl in a supermarket car park. https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/warning-after-men-approach-teenager-3532298

        • Gee, lucky 16 year old boys and girls don’t go to school together 5 days a week, or work together 5 or 6 days a week.

          • Yes, because there’s absolutely no difference between old men soliciting teenage girls for sex and peers of different genders getting an education (what school is supposedly for). :rollseyes:

      • I got a full time job the same day I turned 15, I had my own place and furniture three months later,

        @ WXcycles ……

        If my Mother had not married my Father when she was 16 years old, ……. then I would never have been born into this world, …… given the fact that I am #10 of 11 children. 😊

        • Actually, assuming she still married your father just at a later age in life, it’s not you that would have to fear not being born, but rather the oldest of your siblings (given the fact that you are #10 of 11. #1 certainly wouldn’t be and possibly #’s 2 & 3 maybe even #4 that would have missed out on being born depending on how much older mom and dad would have gotten married relative to their times of conception).

          • Are you delusional ……. or just pretending to be delusional? Or maybe just having a “bad hair day”?

            The #1 pregnancy and miscarriage/birth will always be the #1 pregnancy and miscarriage/birth for any particular human female.

            If my conception (ovum) did not occur when it did, then I would not be the same person that I am today. Thus I am a unique individual in the history of humanity.

          • Use your head for more than a hat rack (see you are not the only one who can be condescending and insulting). Your conception happened many years after pregnancy #1 (since you were preganacy #10). Whether pregnancy #1 happened or not does not alter the existence of the ova that eventually became you. The only thing that would prevent your conception is if your parent didn’t have sex when they did during the month of your mother’s life in which your mother’s overries released that particular ova. so, again, as long as your parents still get together before your conception and still had sex at the same time (that specific time period when your’s was the ova waiting for your dad’s sperm) then you still come into existence.

          • I confess, John Endicott, …… you are absolutely, positively 100% correct.

            Correct that I was predestined to become a viable zygote in early December 1939 ….. and thus predestined to being the #1 birthed in August 1940, ……. regardless of any siblings being born prior to or following my birth.

            If aforesaid pregnancy had occurred 28 days earlier or 28 days later, ……. then I would not have been the fetus that was born because said ovum that was destined to be me …… would have been retained by its ovary until post-birth of the earlier pregnancy…… or would have been ejected in the next menstrual flow …… and another ovum would have been ejected from the other ovary and fertilized by a different sperm.

      • It is not carbon neutral at all. Her travels were publicly available via a twitter account, so quiet easy to track. The total car journey was over 10,000 km. The carbon intensity of each states grid (including Canada) is also easily available.

        Some of the places visited: New York, Montreal, Standing Rock, Denver, Edmonton (Canada), Fort McMurry, Vancouver, LA, Charlotte and Hampton (VA).

        Simple calcs show that the fuel element CO2 cost is in the region of 1 TCO2e. Add in the embedded emissions of the car, and you edge just above 2 T. Using a Ford Pump is worse, but only by about 5-10%.

        • You can’t get to Fort McMurry in a Tesla. Way too far between available charging locations. Maybe they brought a diesel generator with them?

          Not to mention that here in Alberta, 93% of our electricity is fossil fuel generated. Here, a Tesla is a coal/natural gas fueled vehicle.

          • You can’t get to Fort McMurry in a Tesla

            Sure you can…. if the Tesla you are in is sitting on the back of a gasoline or diesel powered car carrier or being towed by a gasoline or diesel powered tow-truck. 😉

  7. #1 I think Greta is an abused child and we should stay away commenting in any negative way about her.

    #2 OTOH, her parents, guardians / handlers should bear the brunt of our outrage. I don’t think child pornography is ethically that far from what’s happening to Greta.

    I hope she (Greta) will grow up and sue all the bastards who made her into the symbol she may not have become otherwise…

    • “#1 I think Greta is an abused child and we should stay away commenting in any negative way about her.”

      If I were her parents, I’d be:

      – proud of a daughter who spoke up for the silly beliefs she believed
      – ashamed of myself for letting her believe such nonsense

      • JaKo – November 13, 2019 at 7:04 pm

        #1 I think Greta is an abused child and we should stay away commenting in any negative way about her.

        So, ….. what about all the child actors and performers being forced to work in the “entertainment businesses”, …….. are they not ‘abuse children’ also.

    • You have to be joking. I could give a rat’s about your point 1 and 2. The stupid bitch is interfering with my life. You have an SJW attitude that helps create the BS state we are in. I don’t want the stupid bint to grow up. I want her and her ilk off the planet.

      • You COULD give a ‘rats’? So you care? Your comment sounds like you COULDN’T give a ‘rats’. As in, COULDN’T care less. That means your care factor then is at the lowest it can be. If you COULD care less, you must care a quantifiable amout to be able to care less.

        Maybe if you wipe off the spittle and think before you post you wouldn’t need to be picked up for basic illogical phrasing.

          • Hard as it is to fault this platitudinous counsel…

            Go read a book.

            …one has to wonder: in which book would our Independent friend have encountered the powerful secret that “giving” and “not giving” are interchangeable, my Alexic friend?

            When and where I grew up ‘giving’ and ‘not giving’ was interchangeable.

            When and where you grew up, did people write books?

        • Independent_George do you have anything of substance about the topic at hand to contribute? at all? didn’t think so.

      • “I could give a rat’s”

        You either have “rat’s” somethings to hand out, or you meant “couldn’t give a rat’s”…

        • I see. Being a grammar naz! is more important than understanding the sentiment. When and where I grew up ‘giving’ and ‘not giving’ was interchangeable.

          • Indeed. No one likes a grammer Nazis, especially when it’s abundantly clearly what the text they’re nazi-ing was meant to convey. Everyone knew you meant that “you don’t care about”, the a-holes making a big deal over the way you said it can take a long walk off a short pier, IMO.

        • I think you will find that idioms in most languages don’t necessarily make logical, grammatical sense. I’ve heard the phrase spoken both ways and the point gets across. That is what language is all about. This is not France. English is a fluid language spoken in many countries with similar but different cultures and there is no controlling authority.

          • Yes, and a lot depends on how a phrase is uttered. I have heard it uttered , with an eye-roll, that clearly indicated an assumed, “As if,” at the beginning:
            “(As if) I could give a rat’s.” I have also heard as a rhetorical question, “I could give a rat’s?” Neither way has a grammatical or logical flaw.

            But the sole purpose of grammar is to communicate clearly. As long as we all understood the intent, and I believe we did, then pointing out grammatical or logical failures quickly becomes pedantic.

          • “English is a fluid language spoken in many countries with similar but different cultures and there is no controlling authority.”

            That’s a good point, but surely in the absence of such an authority the least we can do is self-police the use of good English.

            At a minimum we should defer to the commands of logic as a matter of conscience, if not compulsion.

            When we get to a situation whereby—by Alex’s own admission—”‘giving’ and ‘not giving’ [are] interchangeable,” then the bizarro age of A = not-A has arrived, and the sleep of reason can’t be far behind.

            When you can’t even express the negation of a particular idiom (because its negation is “interchangeable” with the idiom itself) then your idiolect has *lost* something.

            What do I mean by “lost something”?

            Consider the elision, in US English, of hysterical with hilarious. Americans have lost the ability to describe someone in acute thrall to extreme and uncontrollable emotions without calling them highly amusing.

            And it’s all thanks to descriptivists like you, who refused to condemn a simple malapropism, allowing it to spread unchecked until it was a ubiquitous feature of the national dialect.

            You need to stop such solecisms at Munich. I’m no grammar N@zi, but you’re a grammar Chamberlain!

            🙂

    • She may have been abused, but few can match her recent experiences. At one time, sailing the Atlantic was like going to the moon. Still it’s special.

  8. I put this in another thread minutes before this thread was posted, seems more appropriate here (with some editing):
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    WXcycles November 13, 2019 at 6:26 pm
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/11/13/opinion-we-must-confront-climate-change-with-reason-rather-than-emotion/#comment-2846265

    ” … The good thing about ‘Saint Greta’ being forced by her own tongue to sail on boats is that we hear so much less from her. There’s not a lot of 4G cell-towers out there in the ocean, apparently.

    The other good thing is that Greta is finally getting some clues that:

    1) Earth is a really, really big place compared to a human, even its’ smallest ocean is vast.
    2) Allegedly low-carbon (imaginary) footprint ‘Green’ transportation sucks so bad.
    3) Oceans are not ‘acidic’ in any way. The hull has not melted away in decades of sailing.
    4) Oceans are not full of gigantic rafts of plastic, they’re gorgeously clean and near to pristine.
    5) There’s almost but not quite no people or boats out on the oceans.
    6) Even the smallest ocean is a vast wildernesses that’s in ridiculously good natural health.
    7) Discovering that perhaps she knows far less about everything, than she’d ever thought possible.
    8) Discovered what being a hypocrite is, and how not to be one (firstly, shut your gob a lot more).
    9) experiencing the pleasure of being free of the noise and insanity of the Internet and its fake memes.
    10) Discovered the variability of weather and the humbling fear of having zero control over it.
    11) Being able to deeply relax and quell her profound inner terrors, to relax and smile until her face hurts.
    12) Enjoying discovering the shocking beauty of the allegedly destroyed, spoiled and ‘dying’ planet.
    13) Slowly, imperceptibly realizing that just maybe she’s been fed a load of imaginary deceitful bullshit by a craven scab of political scumbags, who used her without regard to what it will do to her inside – which is such a low-act.
    14) And is inevitably beginning to grow-up just a little bit.

    Alternatively, she learns little to nothing from these experiences, and comes back as doltish, confused, deluded and preachy as when she left.

    I hope not, for her sake.

  9. “I’m not exactly a fan, but there is a funny side to watching Greta scold climate hypocrites at public engagements, watching all those people who pretend to care squirm and hang their heads in the face of that unrelenting glare.”

    Nicely put, Eric; this was the thesis of Days of Thunberg: Welcome to the Brontocene, Part 1.

    Greta Thunberg’s predecessors on the climate-celebrity stage are about as sincere as L. Ron Hubbard.

    She represents what happens when a bar bet gets out of hand. PseudoScientology is all fun and games (that is, all fun and profit) until someone actually believes in it.

    Instead of deriding Thunberg for her explosion in New York last month, what we should have done was nothing. Let her do her thing. Because she wasn’t such a Wunderwaffe for the climate movement after all, was she?

    Problematically for the pedophrasts who’d hoped to use her for their own dirty ends, Greta’s integrity—sharpened to a monoatomic edge by the Apergerian intolerance for contradiction and inconsistency—put her in visceral conflict with their hypocrisy.

    Every How Dare You thundered by Thunberg was directed not at us, but at the people she was glaring at in the moment of detonation: the climatocracy. By you, she meant “you.” (Funny that.)

    Her quarrel was righteous, because her quarrel was with the very scum we ourselves are sworn to fight: the terror merchants who’ve filled the skulls of the young with ideations of an imminent, two-thirds-likely atmospheric clusterf*ck (and then done absolutely nothing about it).

    Greta Thunberg is not our enemy; the innocent, incandescent homicide she harbors in her heart for those who have betrayed her generation may just make her the enemy of our enemy.

    “[I]f you really understood the situation and still kept on failing to act,” she told the World’s 2,500 Leading Virtue Signatories right to their faces, “then you would be evil.”

    Yes, they would.

    “And that I refuse to believe.”

    So you’re in denial. I get it. (At least you admit it; that’s the first step.)

    As painful as this may be, Greta, you’re about an inch away from the truth. What you’re going to have to accept at some point is that the international climatocracy really does understand The Science better than you.

    And if it’s any consolation, that’s why they never bother acting.

    • Yes, Greta might have been invited to speak to politicians, but they’re not rushing to invite her back again – she didn’t offer them the cover they hoped for.

    • Brad, that’s about the most profound insight into the Turdberg phenomena I’d read of late, and I’ll freely admit the thought hadn’t occurred to me that actually she’s unknowingly an enemy of the virue-signalling climatocracy. Well put old bean and thank you for commenting.

  10. It’s actually quite simple; once upon a time, when we had Manly Men, those men built and sailed wooden ships from China to London, and from New York to San Francisco, in quite remarkable times. No oil at all, except for oil lamps. If we’re serious about removing our reliance on oil for transportation, then we will need to build clipper ships again.

    What we have done before, we can learn to do again.

    • Well.. the Russians aren’t relying on oil for transportation, at least not in the Arctic. They are building nuclear powered ice breakers. They seem to work just fine.

  11. Checking windy.com, yesterday the trip looked feasible, if a little on the wild side. Today seems the total opposite.

    Just wondering if the vessel has sufficient tankage to allow passage all the way across using the diesels ?

    In any event, the participants have gone so far out on a limb now that its almost guaranteed that their judgement will be impaired for fear of mockery ? At this stage it would not be too incredible to see a broken boat and rescue by a westward bound container ship written into the plot 🙂

    • 88 gallons diesel fuel. The 30 hp Volvos probably burn between 0.5 and 1.0 gallons per hour each in a normal cruise setting. In any case, the answer to whether there is sufficient tankage to allow passage all the way across using the diesels is a definite no. But the one place where wind power does work is offshore. Traditionally, it was wooden ships and iron men. They don’t make them like that anymore. It can be scary even in the big cruise ships and tankers. Most of us would rather fly above the weather, even if you have to plant a few trees to feel less guilty about it.

      I don’t approve of that boat for this use. It’s a catamaran. It has huge windows.
      One thing I can say about Greta is that she has no fear. That could be her superpower/condition or it could be simple ignorance and foolishness.

    • Agreed, they`ve been in SW 6/7 gusting 8 for a couple of days, wonder who`s not eating their gnocchi? As there`s been no update/post since the 18th, I wonder if Greta has nipped ashore in Bermuda to fly to the Azores then hop back on board. Hope they get in the shit, just to wind their whiny necks in.

  12. The north Atlantic in winter, I remember my wife doing the crossing on the QE2, she said it was scary with lots of broken plates etc, good luck with that.

  13. This is going to end badly. A child of 16 in pigtails, got out to look 14 or so, making naive and idealistic appeals, is fine and touching.

    A young woman of 18 or 20 isn’t going to get away with it any more. Particularly not the pigtails. This particular 16 year old seems very unlikely to make a successful transition into responsible adulthood on her own, and doesn’t seem to have anyone around her who will help with it. From what one hears about the family background it was totally lacking in any kind of emotional maturity or discipline.

    When she gets past the present role, the handlers will dump her.

    It will end badly.

    • If the weather in Spain keeps up COP25 may be snowed in. Wouldn’t that be funny to see all the alarmists screeching about warming in the snow.

      • It’s happened to them before, even if only the setting of low temperature records, e.g. COP 16 in Cancun.

      • There’s no global warming, there’s only global average warming. Stations with 30-year (the LAST thirty years, 1989 -2019) flat or cooling trends are well-mixed in with stations having warming trends.

        There are 27, 323 reporting stations in the NOAA GHCN Monthly Summary Report, V4, and only 1800 of them have complete, unbroken reporting records in either the 1951-1980 or 1981-2010 time frame. For the full 20th Century series, there are only around 800 or so.

        If you only look at stations having an unbroken series of reports between 1989-2019, there are only around 1000 total, and 79 have flat or negative trends.

        If you allow 354 instead of 360 full months for a 30-year series, the number goes from 1800 to nearly 6000 stations, and over half of them have flat or negative trends.

        Only about one-third of the 5X5 degree cells of the earth’s grid have one of the full-series stations within. That’s a lot of interpolation to fill the empties.

        The ONLY way to make it appear the Earth is warming is to average, smooth, and manufacture data (infilling), which hides the mix of warming and cooling stations that are so intermingled. That diversity of records should have killed the CO2 hypothesis immediately, but the people invested in it would rather keep creating “just so” stories, than abandon their pet hypothesis.

  14. How did they afford the “eco” volvo diesel engined boat? And for what reason are they giving vile greta a lift?

    As we have seen with “scientist’s” they lie just to get grant money, Ocasio wants to waste trillions, yet uses cars and planes constantly… Its all about the money, and would personally love a full detailed report on vile greta and her parents financials, especially since the mother doesn’t work and greta isn’t in school any more..

  15. I don’t think Greta knows enough about yachts to understand what happens when a large catamaran turns turtle. In those circumstances it is totally impossible to turn the thing the right way up. This is the time of year, way back, when I crossed the Atlantic West to East on a 15,000-ton steam powered cargo ship. The waves were so steep, the propeller came out of the water every time we crested each wave, which required the steam supply to the turbine to be reduced, to prevent the screw over-speeding in clear air. Then as we descended each wave, the steam to the turbine was opened up again to maintain way on the ship. If they meet conditions like that, Greta will not be happy! I don’t wish her any harm, but hope she does not have a smooth ride!

  16. I don’t know why she is encouraging these big international gatherings. If she is to be consistent, she should be scolding the ”carbon elite” for literally flying in the face of everything she stands (sails) for.If she makes it to cop 25, her first question to her minions should be, ”How did you all get here”
    Meanwhile, her adventures highlight exactly why the rest of the modern world have moved on from sailing, and use jet aeroplanes instead.

    Eamon.

  17. Bio

    Hello! My name is Elayna/Elay/Lay take your pick.

    Lets start with my roots. Mum is from Austria, she was a Catholic girl with strict parents and immigrated when she was 16 to Australia. Dad is from Romania, jumped on a flight (fled the country) when he was 20, after him and his friends made a small home made-bomb and blew up a milk factory (no people were inside, just milk).

    First thing I did was get a job to save up money so I could start crossing off a few things on my list … that also happened to include expensive plane tickets.

    It was well worth the pay check and it was what bought me my first flight overseas. The beginning of 5 years of travel.

    My best friend Erin and I flew to Europe for the summer and backpacked through 16 different countries over a period of 3-4 months. Some of the best times of my life on this trip.

    After my summer in Greece was over, I flew back to Australia to work again.

    I had no money for flights over there and back and my boss (to be) way nice enough to help me out there and I signed a contract saying I would work for them for a few months and they would fly me to and from Australia.

    My job was great, I loved it and the people I worked with. I was reunited with a few great friends on the island who cannot resist but to fly back each year for the summer in Ios.

    I see a lot of my dad in me the older I get. I don’t think I’ll ever do anything as extreme as blow up a milk factory (yes, that part about my dad was actually true)…….

    We were running low on money, and nearly actually ran out before we took La Vagabonde out of the water in Grenada W.I for the hurricane season. We flew back to Australia to work again and try and get some cash together to help fund the next leg of our trip.

    https://sailing-lavagabonde.com/a-not-so-brief-bio-elay/

    I’ll make no comment.

    • Hotscot

      Wow!! How eco they are, all of those flights, and diesel used… Thank god we have people like this, who can save the planet from terrible people like us 😐

      I wish somebody could send that to Jeremy Clarkson, as he wrote about gretas last boat trip.

    • HotScot. Or any moderators, please can you highlight this story please

      Would it be possible to send that link to nigel farage, Jeremy Clarkson and the daily mail, as I’m sure they would love to highlight her eco bomb story, greta wont be smiling for long after this story gets out

  18. Her father Svante Thunberg was on the boat that got her to New York two months ago. He is now not on the boat back, as far as I can see. Where has he gone? Has he, perhaps, flown home? If so, that would be an interesting headline, wouldn’t it?

  19. Not one word about the real potential victim on this trip,the baby on board, it’s the hight of stupidity to sail this time of year with a baby on board let alone a 16 year old.if something does go wrong I hope iceberg her handlers and the parents of the baby suffer,this trip is nothing more than a publicity stunt for the parents to gain some extra cash through the said publicity, I doubt they would of employed a professional sailor to make this trip if iceberg was not on board..

    • That baby has sailed all over the world in all kinds of conditions. That said, it is foolish trip to make the journey across the Atlantic at this time of year and a publicity stunt, but what a stunt!

  20. I thought that that Greta had been referred to the social services department of a Swedish local authority. If that is true does anybody know the outcome?

  21. About Spain right now, since I live here:

    Elections last sunday gave president Sanchez and his left-by-far-left coalition a weaker mayority than before, but still enough. Since he depends on the separatist MPs in his own party, he’ll appease the protestors in Barcelona. They were rioting because some of their leaders were on trial. That was a legacy of former president Rajoy. Sanchez will probably let the separatist leaders go free.
    He installed an office for “energy transition”, meaning more wind and solar power and more blackouts than we already get. Pedro Sánchez y Pérez-Castejón won’t let COP25 get away now that he has it.

    Separatism in Spain is a phenomenon similar to climate hysteria. It’s based on several lies:
    – economy: “Spain is robbing us.” Nope, Catalunya gets more money from Madrid than they pay. Necessary repairs and new projects of bridges, roads etc. in other parts of Spain got halted because Barcelona is top priority. Also, the separatists tried to get a deal where Catalunya would leave Spanish legislation but stay in Spanish social security because they know Catalunya contributes less than its people get.
    – history: Since they took over their regional ministry of education, separatists have changed the curriculum. Catalan schoolchildren learn about a medieval state of Catalunya that never existed. Back before their was a Spain, there was the county of Barcelona, much smaller than what the separatists claim as their Catalunya. A count of Barcelona married a princess of Aragón and the two regions have been politically together ever since.
    – linguistic: From several different Catalan dialects they created a standard Catalan language, choosing from every region the features that differ most from standard Spanish. This artificial Catalan is now taught obligatorily in schools. In theory, children have a right to choose in which language to get their education, Spanish or Catalan. In practise, Spanish isn’t offered. I’m studying linguistics in Barcelona. For Norwegian and Swedish and similar cases we learned the usual rule: If they’re at least 70 % mutually intellegible, they’re dialects, not languages. The same professors who taught me that, however, treat Spanish and Catalan as two different languages although every Spanish speaker understands Catalan and vice versa.
    -democratic: A “referendum” two years ago gave separatists a landslide victory. But when separatists print the ballots and count them, too, what else is it going to be?

  22. What I haven’t heard addressed is the temperature of the mid Atlantic this time of the year.
    How do you keep warm on a catamaran with out using fossil fuels? Will extra clothing be sufficient; especially for a baby?
    Am I missing something?

  23. Well, if her stomach is like mine, her primary food on the trip will be Dramamine, regardless of the wave height.

    But please do her the favor of not telling her that is is synthesized from oil.

  24. There is a book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds. The book exposes false belief and fraud in 724 pages.

    Greta has been absolutely convinced she is right and the attention and support she is getting reinforces her belief. What happens to her when the disaster she has been taught is certain to happen does not? What could have been a normal and average life might not be. That is non delusional child abuse by delusional adults who somehow want to believe the worse. What is the psychology in people who want to believe the worse, especially without proof. Does it make them feel better. I wouldn’t know.

    • Greta’s life span should easily make it to 2090. So she will certainly find out the truth at some point in her life. I’m still hoping that we all get to find out what nature is up to in the next 15 to 20 years

  25. An Open Letter to Greta Thunberg

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2019/11/open-letter-greta-thunberg-jason-d-hill/

    “You have declared yourself a leader and said that your generation will start a revolution. You have comported yourself as a credentialed adult and climate change activist who has fearlessly addressed politicians and world leaders. You have dropped out of school and declared that there isn’t any reason to attend, or any reason for you to study since there will be no future for you to inherit. You have, rather than attend your classes, been leading Friday Climate Strikes for all students in your generation across the globe. Your attendance at oil pipelines has been striking. There, you unequivocally declare that all oil needs to remain in the ground where it belongs.

    I shall, therefore, against the backdrop of your activism, address you as an adult rather than as a child.”

    And ending with, some 12 paragraphs later: (the whole letter is a must read, highly recommended!)

    “Your generation needs to be taught the morality of wealth creation, rather than only parasitically benefiting from it. The only revolution you will lead is one into nihilism and civilization regression. You need to learn about the moral case for fossil fuel. You owe it to yourself to understand how as, Kathleen Hartnett White has detailed, the harnessing of the vast store of concentrated energy in fossil fuels allowed mankind, for the first time in human history, to escape intractable constraints and energy limits that had left all but the very privileged in total poverty and depravity. Before the Industrial Revolution all societies were dependent on a very limited flow of solar energy captured in living plants for subsistence needs such as food, fuel and shelter.

    But we, the creative enterprisers, will not go back to the Dark Ages. Your philosophy can be summed up as follows:

    What was good for my anthropoid ancestors is good for me. Do not rock the boat, or even build one as that will require cutting down a tree. Do not disrupt nature. Do not dare to see the earth as rightfully belonging to us. We don’t have the right to use our brains in a manner that can transform our needs into a material form. Let’s conveniently forget that production is the application of reason to the problems of survival. Let’s all diminish the grandeur of man and his luminous potential. Crush the Thomas Edisons of this world.

    The apocalyptic world vision you hold has been a strip landing for those who have hated progress throughout history. Your apocalyptic predictions have been made for millennia, and, we’re still here. We will still be here long after you’ve grown up and we have forgiven you for skipping classes, thereby lowering the intelligence quotient of an entire generation.”

    Game, set, match!

    • Scarface

      I read this letter a few days ago and its brilliant, it should be repeated by the mass news media, but only if we stalk them in to posting it.

  26. I can’t wait ’til she tells the COP25 Climate Numpties in Madrid “HOW DARE YOU!” They will be so glad they invited her.

  27. It is time that Greta sees the REAL world.
    She should be shown the door and told to PAY for her food or WORK for it.
    Only then will she come to realize there is more to the world than the fantasy of global warming.
    As of now she is on welfare assistance and the dumb media and politicians worship her.
    It is ad that the UN and COP out people cannot get a real scientist to speak to them.

  28. I just wanted to let everyone know the Heartland Institute will be hosting a”Climate Reality Forum” at the Madrid Mariott during COP25.
    https://climaterealityforum.com/
    As usual, the MSM will ignore or dismiss them, but I am glad to see that the realistic side of the debate will be represented.

    • Hmmm … he can’t recycle his totaled Tesla … Maybe AOC can be persuaded to lend him her garbage disposal?

  29. If I’m not mistaken, her Dad and “handler” were with her in the US.
    I assume they sailed with her to the US.
    Will they also be sailing with her away from (Yea!) the US?

    • No they won’t. The catamaran Outremer 50 has accommodation for two adults, the owners, and another 2 adults or 3 children. With the nanny, the baby and Greta the boat is full. I guess her dad is already back in Sweden, by plane flown under the radar of the MSMs. If I were him I’d fly back to Copenhagen and then slip onto Sweden.

      • This is from an article that I linked to above. “Leaving today from Hampton, Virginia with Carausu, Whitelum, and their 11-month-old son, Lenny, they’ll also be joined by Thunberg’s father, Svante, and British yachtswoman Nikki Henderson.”

        That’s 4 adults, Greta and the infant Lenny. One of the adults in Greta’s father. Of course, this could be wrong but it clearly indicates that Greta’s father will be travelling with her.

  30. Meanwhile, as Greta sails the ocean blue, the diversity crowd back in her homeland, Sweden, are polluting the atmosphere with anything that will burn.

  31. Those of us with ethics strive to put more into society than we take out, using that old notion of hard, productive, wealth generating-work.
    A theme, shown by the players in this exercise, is consumption of wealth for no visible return. Often seen in green people and ideas. In Australia, we call it bludging. Geoff S

  32. It seems like this is a very dangerous trip, or potentially so, and there is no way to know what will come up regarding the weather, since it takes something like three weeks.
    It also seems they will be lucky to get across the ocean in time for this conference.
    If it takes three weeks, that will put them on the coast of Europe on the 5th, and the COP25 is December 2-9th.
    So with unfavorable winds, she could miss it.
    I too suspect she may not really be on that boat, or perhaps another larger boat is accompanying them.
    In a bad storm, it is easy to die in that size boat in the middle of the ocean.

  33. Nobody is going to die. The catamaran will move to a pre-determined rendezvous where a large freighter owned by a very rich man will hoist it aboard and it will then travel to a point off the coast of Europe where the catamaran will be placed back in the sea. The crew and passengers will then proceed to the climate shivaree and all will be well.

  34. This could be fun, she get’s to Spain just in time for COP25 to get moved back to N. or S. America, she gets another boat ride back across the Atlantic. Then as soon as she gets here, COP25 gets moved back to Europe or elsewhere, and she needs yet another boat ride back again. GRETA PONG!!!

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