Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Greta Thunberg has stated that rules must be broken if they stand in the way of climate action.
Greta Thunberg condemns ‘unlawful’ police ban on Extinction Rebellion climate change protest
‘If standing up for humanity is against the rules then the rules must be broken,’ says teenager
Chris Baynes, Jane Dalton (2 days ago)Greta Thunberg has called on Extinction Rebellion demonstrators to defy a police order banning them from protesting across London.
The climate change activist spoke out before the group won the go-ahead to take legal action over the order, which has been condemned by human rights groups as unlawful.“If standing up against the climate and ecological breakdown and for humanity is against the rules then the rules must be broken,” Ms Thunberg wrote on her Instagram account.
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A judicial review of the ban, which the group’s lawyers say is “disproportionate and unlawful” will be held on Thursday afternoon.
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Human rights groups including Amnesty International and Liberty have also criticised the Metropolitan Police over the “heavy-handed” and “chilling” tactic.
Deputy assistant commissioner Laurence Taylor said the ban had been imposed following “continued breaches” of a previous order, which restricted protesters to Trafalgar Square.
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The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, distanced himself from the police order and said he had asked senior officers to “find a way for those who want to protest the climate emergency we face to be able to do so legally”.
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Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/greta-thunberg-extinction-rebellion-protests-police-ban-climate-change-london-a9158191.html
The Thursday judicial review was deferred until next week, so Extinction Rebellion are still under a ban forbidding them to protest in London.
Extinction Rebellion London: Met Police ‘ban’ on protests will continue over weekend as judge delays judicial review
TRISTAN KIRK Courts correspondent (2 days ago)
Scotland Yard’s controversial “ban” on the Extinction Rebellion protests will stand this weekend after a judge refused to hear a judicial review bid until next week.…
Phillippa Kaufmann QC, representing a collection of activists including Green Party peer Baroness Jenny Jones and Guardian journalist George Monbiot, asked for a fast-tracked hearing tomorrow to determine the case.
But Mr Justice Dingemans rejected the idea this afternoon, saying he was worried a judge could make a mistake if rushed into a decision.
“I’m wholly unconvinced this is a case where it is right to speed up the process as quickly as that”, he told the High Court this afternoon.“These are important points, both for the complainants and the defendant, on the construction of a criminal statute.”
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The effect of today’s ruling is that the section 14 order brought in by the Met this week to tackle the Extinction Rebellion ‘autumn uprising’ will continue to stand until 6pm on Saturday.
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Read more: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-ban-on-extinction-rebellion-protests-will-continue-over-weekend-as-judge-delays-judicial-a4264301.html
Extinction Rebellion naturally had no respect for the law, and defied the ban, resulting in at least 1760 arrests including the arrest George Monbiot (the video shows Monbiot laughing as he is dragged away by police – all a big joke to him).
This is not about banning freedom of assembly. The British police appear to have done everything in their power to accommodate Extinction Rebellion’s ongoing right to protest. The rule does not prevent Extinction Rebellion from holding protests elsewhere. All the police asked is that Extinction Rebellion structure their London protests in such a way as to allow ordinary people to continue going about their normal business, a request Extinction Rebellion repeatedly ignored.
Trafalgar Square, where police asked Extinction Rebellion to protest, is one of the most prominent landmarks in London, an important nexus in London’s road system. If you want to cross London Bridge there is a good chance you will drive past Trafalgar Square. Thousands of people see Trafalgar Square every day. But Extinction Rebellion have so far refused to compromise, even a little.
As for Greta Thunberg, she is now on record publicly inciting people to break the law.
Perhaps it is time for President Trump to review whether he really wants a rabble rousing foreigner who has no qualms about inciting mass law breaking and civil disorder running around the USA.
Update (EW): Amended “Hundreds of thousands” of people see Trafalgar Square every day to “Thousands”. “Hundreds of thousands” is probably an over-estimate.
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She should be remanded to “Child Protective Services”. It is more and more apparent that she has been subjected to childhood trauma and abuse through climate indoctrination. I think the poor young lady is genuinely terrified.
Such an surprisingly articulate and knowledgeable person for a mere 17 year old!
Did you forget the /sarc tag? Do a search for
Greta without script
to see the real Greta.
Thanks to Pierre Goslin’s “No Trick Zone” and an article from “German Merkur de Here”it appears Greta is advised by Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK).
According to the article, Greta and Professor Rahmstorf “have met on several occasions” and that she “calls the Professor for advice”.
The article mentions that additional advisers are the Swedish Professor, Johan Rockstrom and British Professor, Kevin Anderson.
I was born in 1940 and have wonderful memories of watching Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy on a neighbours t.v. and initially was amazed how a dummy could talk like Charlie did.
Yesterday, We in Alberta we’re visited by Greta and watched her performance outside the Provincial Legislature in Edmonton. Dare I compare her and Rahmstorf with Charlie and Edgar? All this just 3 days before our Federal election! Coincidence?
I have followed Anthony since shortly after he started this blog and I’m hoping some knowledgeable people could persue this story further.
Thanks to all who contribute so much.
D.B.
It’s high time for Greta Thunderbird to fly home and go back to school where she might learn something.
#GretaGoHome anybody?
“Perhaps it is time for President Trump to review whether he really wants a rabble rousing foreigner who has no qualms about inciting mass law breaking and civil disorder running around the USA.”
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What ?, we’ve got a gang of maybe 25 million people (mostly armed), that really don’t want to kill anybody, unless they deserve it.
Civil disorder gets sorted out pretty quick.
What the reGretable child is advocating is lawless anarchy, by cadres of virtue signalling terrorists. They seek illegal confrontation. Give it to them! Toss their sorry butts off of the train roofs and out of the local In N Out burger joints. Make them emphatically certain you are not going to put up with their crap anymore! Join the #EnoughOfYourCrapRevolt!
yes go for it says Greta, break the law and if you end up with a criminal conviction that screws up the rest of your working life thats a small price to pay, especially for me. Ive lived my life as a protected species with no consequences, thats how it works for everyone isnt it?
Peaceful protest??? Good question, better than you thought.
I remember, back in the day. We had it all, peaceful protests, violent demonstrations, excuses to party.
So what was a “Peaceful Protest”? The protesters all had to attended actual Protest Seminars (no joke) to learn the tricks of the trade. They were taught not to yell, not to shout, and not to resist. When the police wanted to drag them off, the idea was to be completely passive. The protesters would go as limp as a sack of potatoes and make the task as difficult as possible. With some effort all the protesters would be dragged clear and would simply continue their protest wherever the police dropped them. Everybody else would go about their business around them. Quickly, the police came to understand that the protesters did not, and would not pose a threat. There was just going to be a lot of heavy lifting that day. This was quite the stark contrast to the violent demonstrations which were also going on at the time, and took some getting used to.
In This Context:
Many people concede the right of the people to a peaceful protest. OK, fine. By the same token, the citizenry have the same right of counter protest.According to the rules carefully set out, the citizenry have the right to drag the protesters to the side and clear the way. Only in this way are the rights of all preserved. As far as ER goes, these people have given the way too much scope. Whenever they *push*, *shove*, *block*, or *obstruct* anybody from engaging in a lawful and customary activity, the action is no longer peaceful. At this point, the gloves can come off, and let ER whine about “Peaceful”.
Extinction Rebellion = Brown shirts
Die Gruene Sturm Abteilung. GSA.
There should be a law for Greta to tell the truth and only the truth .
Any unsubstantiated claims are against the law .
Translating St Greta:
“The ends justify the means.”
I think we have already reached peak Greta. Her head may pop up here and there but soon she will be thrown on the scrapheap of history. She cannot really do much more than what she has already and people get bored pretty fast. I know I am.
She should be in China where the real problem lies. She doesn’t have the guts.
Maybe the Cylons had it right after all.
XR isn’t targeting the government because most feckless politicians in the west already support the erroneous AGW theory, even the foolish British Tories ( who should all be ejected from office for that alone, ignoring their inability to deliver Brexit!! I think Farage is also a climate realist–he should start running on that as well!!).
I was really heartened to see ordinary British citizens taking matters into their own hands when XR knaves climbed on tube trains this week. Beat a few of these spoiled little rick kids silly, and they won’t come back. Wish I could be there for the fun.
so as extinction rebellion is CAUSING climate change too.. you know , using cars, plastic and so on, you have the right to break the rules to stop extinction rebellion..
It’s a ban, not a law, she incited people to break. You can complain as much as you want, but at least get the facts right. Or is this another instance of intentionally misleading readers?
Climbing on to the roof of a train *IS* breaking the law. Blocking roads *IS* breaking the law. Preventing people from going about their daily business *IS* breaking the law. But Thunberg says it’s OK!
They were told to restrict themselves to demonstrating in Trafalgar Square under our public order act. This they failed to do, therefore they were in breach of the public order act and hence subject to arrest. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/contents.
John,
OK, fair enough. I stand corrected. Thank you for providing the link.
On the other hand, I think it’s important to consider her exact words and their context. She did not use the word “laws,” she used the word “rules” (and did so in the context of supporting Amnesty International). Maybe it was simply a thoughtless comment. Maybe she knew full well that she was calling on people to break the law, also knowing that people have done so all over the world in the process of standing up for causes they believe in – causes like democracy and freedom and human rights – because they feel their cause is worth paying the price of an arrest and potential conviction. Humanity would worse off if people didn’t have the courage to commit civil disobedience in the form of peaceful protest. “If standing up against the climate and ecological breakdown and for humanity is against the rules then the rules must be broken” seems like a pretty mild form of inciting people to “mass law-breaking.”
Let me be clear: I’m not defending her actions, I’m just trying to consider other perspectives. However, I do think it’s a bit of an overreaction to suggest that Trump should ban her from visiting the country because of an Instagram message.
More sophistry from the queen of sophistry.
Breaking a ban is against the law.
I have crossed London Bridge many times without coming within a couple of miles of Trafalgar Square. The two nearest bridges, roughly equidistant, are Waterloo Bridge and Westminster Bridge.
😐 How did such a boring, uneducated child become so loud and popular? She had travelled the usa, now canada, who is paying for it all?? Why isnt she in school? Is her parents with her at all times? If not, why not!
Greta is utterly vile to me, her personality, views, opinions, her hypocrisy, her ideology, all vile! She lives in a nice warm house, has a lot of money now, she can enjoy her life, drink clean water, eat the best foods, Yet everybody else must go live in a cave because we will be taxed to hell to pay for worthless solar and wind farms 😐 Its 2019, how the F did xr and Greta get loose from the mental ward.
You are right. I am dreaming of the day we see the “anti Greta”. She would be an ethnic child from an African village and she would speak passionately to the UN about her life. No electricity because “climate change”. Her brothers and sister dying of poverty; her mother from smoke inhalation. The real cost of wealthy liberal guilt. You stole my childhood!
A pushy and unscrupulous entourage, aka ‘handlers’, and a sycophantic press.
your Q
answer is because its 2019 and the globes gone goofy
You must understand it is not Greta driving this. It’s her “handlers”, and they should be arrested for child abuse IMO.
Well Halloween is upon us. Is someone making Greta masks to scare the children?
Greta Thunberg should be inconvenienced herself a few times. After being caught up in some of these climate protests and prevented from doing what she planned to do for most of her day, she might start changing her tune, especially if she can’t get to her job (assuming that anyone would be stupid enough to employ her in the first place).
Meanwhile, in London, Extinction Rebellion have noticed a change in the mood music. They are becoming scared of the public and have acknowledged that the atmosphere of tolerance they used to have for protestors in breaking down. If Extinction Rebellion continue what they have been doing up till now, things are going to get ugly real fast and they will only have themselves to blame.
Add to all this that ugly little freak Greta Thunberg and her statement about breaking the rules and you can see where all this is leading. I will spell it out for the benefit of every ignorant climate activist who doesn’t get it: if the rules are going to be broken by protestors with impunity, then they will also be broken by the angry frustrated public who are being targeted by those same protestors. Let’s see who wins that fight.
Greta is rapidly becoming the Wicked Witch of the North.
Some people may take me to task for saying this, but might it not be a good thing if they win their case? Think of the fallout. The police powerless to prevent the shutdown of the capital. XR, pumped full of hubris will naturally exploit this to the maximum and shut down everything they can lay their yoga mats on. Londoners will rise up in anger and even the media will start to turn against them.
Why interrupt the enemy when they are destroying themselves?
There’s a lot more than autism behind Greta… Worth reading.
https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/10/the-elite-machine-behind-greta-thunberg/
Nothing in politics is coincidental or spontaneous. It’s all scripted.
Thanks for the link.
“Nothing in politics is coincidental or spontaneous. It’s all scripted.”
Founder said, approximately, “If something happens in politics, it wasn’t an accident; it was planned that way.”
Breaking the law is the most important for them. Therefor it doesn’t matter what the police offer as places where they will be allowed to lawfully use their rights of free speech. They will find a spot that guarantee most media coverage.
I’m getting old. I have been seeing these elitists call us peons to rise up and have a revolution to put them in charge for six decades. Each time, it’s been the same stuff with a different costume theme. They never succeed. In the end the same thing that makes them discontented rejects on the margins keeps them discontented rejects on the margins.