Climate Crusader Greta Thunberg Tipped to Win Nobel Peace Prize

Border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Guess which country has the wealthier more industrialized economy, and which one has less industry?

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Three Swedish MPs have nominated Greta Thunberg for the Nobel Peace Prize, because of her efforts to raise awareness of the damage fossil fuels are causing to the environment.

Greta Thunberg: The teenage climate activist tipped to win Nobel Peace Prize

Environmental campaigner delivered emotional speech to UN last month
Tom Parfitt

Swedish environment activist Greta Thunberg is being tipped to win the Nobel Peace Prize following a remarkable year in which the teenager’s “school strike for climate” movement has grown to worldwide prominence.

Here is everything you need to know about the 16-year-old.
Who is Greta Thunberg?

Greta Thunberg began a lone protest outside Sweden’s parliament in October 2018 when she was 15, saying would refuse to attend school on Fridays until the government tackled the growing climate and ecological crisis.

In the 12 months since, she has become one of the world’s most talked-about people, having been invited to speak at the UN general assembly – where she invoked the wrath of Donald Trump – and inspiring global protests attracting hundreds of thousands of young campaigners.

“You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words,” the teenager told world leaders during her emotional and confrontational speech at the UN last month.

“And yet I’m one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction. And all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth. How dare you.”

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/greta-thunberg-speech-climate-change-nobel-peace-prize-winner-who-a9139651.html

Sorry Michael Mann, better luck next year.

I’ve got to say it would be more impressive if Greta knew anything about the global environment. There is no evidence “ecosystems are collapsing”, actual measurement suggests that the Earth is greening, thanks largely to nations like India and China planting more trees and taking better care of their environments, but also due to CO2 fertilisation.

Here’s a pop quiz question for Greta and her friends; why is it that China and India suddenly seem to have the spare cash to take better care of their environments?

The picture at the top of this post, the border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic, illustrates the difference between having an industrialised economy and not having a thriving industrial sector. My guess is most of you guessed correctly which side of the border ordinary people can afford to buy fossil fuel.

I must say it is difficult to see how forcing people in the Dominican Republic to go back to using climate friendly biofuel, like their friends in Haiti, would help prevent collapse of the local ecosystem.

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186 thoughts on “Climate Crusader Greta Thunberg Tipped to Win Nobel Peace Prize

  1. They’ll doubtless stop heating their homes and using transport. No? But…. that would be hypocrisy!

    • She, her family, handlers have collectively used more fossil fuel, no doubt for free, than most people on earth will use in a lifetime. The have leveraged her ponytails and loud mouth into a continuous world vacation. Not a fan of Putin but his PC responses were great and spot on. Paraphrasing, she (and her entourage) are naive and do not understand the complex nature of the subject or the world. Perhaps that is wrong, they have clearly figured out how to play the system expertly.

      Her 15 minutes of fame are well used up.

        • Nice article Eric.
          I would have retitled the picture though from

          Border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Guess which country has the wealthier more industrialized economy, and which one has less industry?

          To

          Border between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Guess which country uses more fossil fuel sourced energy, and which one uses more biomass?

          • Also, Eric I think crediting India and China on an equal footing with effect of CO2 in “the greening” is a bit shoddy. There are 3 trillion trees on the planet (counted during the past decade) and we had a 14% expansion in global forest extent in 30 yrs by 2014. That is ~420,000,000,000 new trees >500B by now. That would be quite some tree planting, and the CO2 had a hand in whatever efforts India and China did. The doubling of harvests was for the most part due to CO2 fertilization, too, despite consensus obfuscation to marginalize the effect in order to maintain a high negative cost of carbon. Please don’t offer the totes a hand.

          • Several things contribute to”Greening the Biosphere” other than New Trees. Chief amongst those are …
            Increased leaf mass/quantity per tree
            Increased leaf size per tree type
            Oasification of previous desert biomes
            Northward spread of boreal forests

          • The Nobel Prize has degraded to the point of being equivalent to a Cracker Jack toy, except for the monetary award part (around $1 million).

            The decline in the prestige of the Nobel Peace Prize awards began with the co-award to Henry Kissinger in 1973, continued with the co-award to Yasser Arafat in 1994, and accelerated downward with awards to Al Gore and the IPCC in 2007 and Barack Obama in 2009. The money I could use; the trophy and publicity could go into the circular file for all I care.

        • Let’s face it the believers believe, the doubter get no evidence at all to dispel their doubt and just get demands and intimidation.
          Grotty Dumbird is little thug and nothing more. We were told that CO2 would cause ever faster “forcing” changes. Even here they had to use and emotive word where there is a perfectly good term for it already.
          Instead of talking records of a tiny fraction of a degree show us the figures for the RATE of INCREASE caused by fossil fuel and now it is regional and not global separate out the bounded regions of higher and lower change and show that fossil fuel use matches the temperature anomalies.
          For some of us data matters not the emotive mindless outpourings of a not exactly normal teenager with less logical sense or numerical skill than I know I had aged nine or less.

      • Here is the definition of the criteria for the Peace prize;

        “According to Nobel’s will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year “shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses”

        I don’t see anything about it being awarded for scaring children witless or making grossly exaggerated claims.

        Is she up for the ‘peace’ prize itself or are there other variations on it?

        Perhaps a new one like Obamas for example, when he was given ‘the Nobel prize for a new American President before they had barely sat down at the oval office?’

        Sadly there appears to be more politics and ideology than actual merit in the awarding of the prize these days than an attempt to accord with the original intent of Nobel.

        • There are no other variations of the Peace Prize. Also, for what it’s worth there is no Nobel Prize for Economics, it’s actually the Bank of Sweden Prize for Economics in Memory of Alfred Noble.

          The other Noble Prizes are for Literature, Physics, Chemistry and Medicine

          • According to https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/about/prize-announcement-dates it’s The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel .

            https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/economic-sciences/ is a little confused and uses two names:

            In 1968, Sveriges Riksbank (Sweden’s central bank) established the Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, founder of the Nobel Prize. The Prize is based on a donation received by the Nobel Foundation in 1968 from Sveriges Riksbank on the occasion of the Bank’s 300th anniversary. The first Prize in Economic Sciences was awarded to Ragnar Frisch and Jan Tinbergen in 1969.

            The Prize in Economic Sciences is awarded by The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, Stockholm, Sweden, according to the same principles as for the Nobel Prizes that have been awarded since 1901.

        • The Nobel prizes used to have significance. Sadly the past awards are being diminished by such dangerously foolish “promotions”, which if actual enacted would more likely cause the exact opposite to the intent of the award.

          • The Nobel Peace Prizes has become politicized instrument of the extreme left.

            The Nobel Peace Prize is now a black mark on your life’s achievements – it marks you as a scoundrel and/or an imbecile.

          • Following is a list of Nobel Peace Prize Winners:

            Let’s pick one:
            International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons 2017

            How’s that workin’ out for ya?

            Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons 2013
            European Union 2012
            Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2007
            Intl. Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War 1985
            Office of UN High Commission for Refugees 1981
            Amnesty International 1977 Worldwide

            Same question!

            Here is a partial rogues gallery:

            i can International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons 2017 Geneva
            Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons 2013 Worldwide
            European Union 2012 Europe
            Barack Obama, US President 2009 United States
            Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2007 Switzerland
            Albert Arnold Gore Jr. 2007 United States
            Jimmy Carter, former president of USA 2002 United States
            The United Nations 2001 Worldwide
            Kofi Annan, UN Secretary General 2001 Ghana
            International Campaign to Ban Landmines 1997 Worldwide
            Pugwash Conference (of scholars against conflict) 1995 Worldwide
            Yasir Arafat 1994 Palestine
            Shimon Peres 1994 Israel
            Yitzhak Rabin 1994 Israel
            Frederik W. de Klerk, President of South Africa 1993 South Africa
            Nelson Mandela, later President of South Africa 1993 South Africa
            Mikhail S. Gorbachev 1990 Soviet Union
            Intl. Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War 1985 United States
            Bishop Desmond Tutu 1984 South Africa
            Office of UN High Commission for Refugees 1981 Worldwide
            Anwar Sadat, President of Egypt 1978 Egypt
            Menachem Begin 1978 Israel
            Amnesty International 1977 Worldwide

          • Allan left out my favorite Peace prize. 1992 the Prize was awarded to Rigoberta Menchu. She was the semi-literate woman whose as told to “memoir” was written by the wife of French Communist Regis Debray, most famous as a pal of communist terrorist Che Guevara. It was total garbage, but Rigoberta got the prize.

          • An award to St Greta, the Swedish Frightingale, would be one more nail in the coffin of the Nobel Prizes’ credibility.
            Such a shame. They still – occasionally – go to deserving nominees, but their merit is diluted by the number undeserving recipients on the past awards list.
            Makes me wonder: has anyone ever refused a Nobel Prize?

          • To:

            “Questing Vole October 7, 2019 at 8:55 am

            Makes me wonder: has anyone ever refused a Nobel Prize?”

            Grouch Marx probably would have.

        • The Nobel Peace Prize for promoting enforced scarcity so that people and nations will have to fight more over the limited resources we are still allowed to access? No doubt the nations will have an easy time recruiting dung farmers from the midst of the windmills that provide electricity for the nobles.

          Or maybe she was nominated for the Nobel War Prize?

      • Play the system expertly?? The system begs to be played by one and all. The system is rigged to be played. What amazes me is that so many alleged adults are taking the tantrums of a school girl seriously.

    • Yes, little Greta … you are one of the lucky ones. You live in a modern, technological, fossil-fueled Western Capitalist wonderland. Built on the heavy use of fossil fuels. Let me know when you move to a cabin in the woods, fueled entirely by solar panels and wind turbines. Your Nobel Prize would be awarded posthumously… after you were found froze to death.

      • Kenji.
        Miss Thunberg is Swedish and thrives on Fossil Fuels and…Swedens electric supply is predominately Nuclear…and Hydro.

        Electricity production in Sweden is dominated by nuclear power and hydroelectricity which currently make about equal contributions to energy production, for which demand has remained fairly constant since 1990……..Sweden has three operational nuclear power plants with 8 operational nuclear reactors, which produce about 35-40% of the country’s electricity.[1] The nation’s largest power station, Ringhals Nuclear Power Plant, has four reactors and generates about 15 percent of Sweden’s annual electricity consumption.[2]…..Sweden formerly had a nuclear phase-out policy, aiming to end nuclear power generation in Sweden by 2010. On 5 February 2009, the Government of Sweden announced an agreement allowing for the replacement of existing reactors, effectively ending the phase-out policy……Wikipedia…

        Trash accounts for a small portion of Sweden’s overall power supply; hydro and nuclear energy generate about 83 percent of Sweden’s electricity, and wind generates another 7 percent….But garbage supplies much of the heat during cold months for the country’s nearly 10 million residents. Energy from trash equals the heating demand of 1.25 million apartments and electricity for 680,000 homes…(according to NYT).
        However, garbage-fueled power plants are not a clean energy source. Some opponents claim these power plants are a “false solution” that green-washes dirty incineration.

        “The process of burning trash is inherently polluting,” said Leah Kelly, senior attorney with the Environmental Integrity Project, a nonprofit based in Washington. “You can put state-of-the-art pollution controls on an incinerator in the same way that you can a coal plant, but that doesn’t make the facility clean.”…NYT, In Sweden, Trash Heats Homes, Powers Buses and Fuels Taxi Fleets…
        So Sweden relies on Nuke…Hydro, Oil and garbage to power the nation..

        I would request that WUWT readers who know of such things to explain how polluting, or otherwise, is such garbage conversion.

        What would it take for Sweden to close its Nuke and Garbage programs and replace it with Wind and Solar by 2030? (is that still the next date for The Armageddon or has that changed again)…
        Sweden and Solar…As If…
        Possibly a question for Miss Thunberg but more likely it should be directed to her financially flush wranglers…

        • Why did you fail to add … close their hydroelectric plants along with stopping nuclear and trash burning? I don’t know a single “environmentalist” here in my State of CA who support hydroelectric power. None. Why. Because it forever destroys the natural environment. It dams-up wild rivers and floods valleys as beautiful as the Yosemite Valley. There is a serious movement here in CA to tear down the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir which supplies all of San Francisco’s water and part of its power.

          Gotta take hydro power off the “acceptable” eco-dolt power source as well.

        • Well, if Greta were to start campaigning for a sensible expansion of nuclear energy by further research of, and investment in, “4th Gen” technology like Molten Salt Reactors and the Integrated Fast Reactor, that would be better than what she’s doing now.

          Perhaps while she is in the USA, she should visit Oak Ridge NL and Argonne NL, and then spend some months (or years) studying some real science.

    • This old joke is still relevant for those who are utterly ignorant of economics.

      Question: How did socialists light their homes before candles?
      Answer: Electricity.

  2. St Nobel Greta would be up there in the list of idiot decisions along with Obama and Gore.

    • David Chappell October 5, 2019 at 6:14 am
      St Nobel Greta would be up there in the list of idiot decisions along with Obama and Gore.

      … and just maybe Yasser Arafat

      • he made a peace deal? Oh yeah. Maybe that’s why it used to be called a Peace Prize.

        Now it’s a Piece Prize as in POS.

      • Well, All Hallows’ Eve – Halloween – is coming.
        Has anyone seen any ad for a Scary Climate Activist mask?
        Perhaps with narrowed eyes?
        An a speak-your-weight attachment that growls, or squeaks, ‘How Dare You?’?

        Round here, most Halloween callers are about five years old – with Mum or Dad about a yard away – so the masks need not be too scary!

        And, less than a week later, it’s Bonfire Night here.
        Which effigy to burn?
        The field is enormous – all the You-Row-apparatchiks; Barnier, Rompoo-ey, Juncker (with bottles), Tusk; lots of Liberal Democrats who simply ignore democracy [and may not be very liberal if you disagree with them]; Tories who are further left than Tony B. Liar [and most Dem candidates in the US], but the Tories, at least, are so wet you could flush them down the khazi and not notice . . . .

        Auto

  3. Hardly a surprise. The Nobel Peace Prize kinda lost it’s relevancy when they started giving it to people like Yasser Arafat. Since, it’s been more a broadcast of Progressive hopes and dreams than a reward for anything actually achieving peace, especially when it was given to Barack Obama before he’d actually achieved anything more relevant than getting elected.

    They’re giving it to Greta not because of any particularly brilliant insight on her part. She’ll get it because she broadcasts the narrative they wish broadcast.

    • On a serious note, one can almost feel sorry for Mann. Whatever we might think of his output, he has gained a Phd, written many serious papers, carried out lots of research, attended conferences, sat at the top table and after all that it seems a pouty, over excitable and exceptionally rude teenager prone to a Pinnochio syndrome might waltz away with ‘his’ prize.

      I did say ‘almost’ feel sorry, but many genuine scientists of whatever type must feel affronted IF the prize goes to Greta.

      tonyb

  4. Contrast haiti & the dominican republic

    Same with contrasting soviet russia/eastern europe vs western europe/united states – massive improvement when capitalism began taking hold after the collapse of Iron fist of communism

    Yet – the activists believe you can clean up the environment the expansion of socialism/ another version of communism

    • Dominican Republic subsidizes fossil fuel use to make it cheaper. Haiti doesn’t, so the folks there burn wood. One of the few instances where government subsidies have a positive effect.

  5. So lets use Bio fuels then. We can make them from Palm Oil, Rapeseed, Soy and Sugar Cane. The EU imports 7,000,000 tons of Palm Oil and almost two-thirds of that is used for energy. That is 4,500,000 tons of Palm Oil used to make energy to save the planet from burning coal.
    Drax power station imports wood pellets into the UK to burn instead of coal and the intention is to replace coal completely. Drax gets it’s wood pellet from USA (62%), Canada (17%), Latvia (10%), Estonia (4%), Portugal (3%), Brazil (1%), Belorus (1%) and the UK (1%). All this is called Environmental Sustainability.
    The law of unintended consequences is being given so many new examples it’s hard to keep up.

      • @Scissor – How dare I? Very good and I see what you did there. Anyway, you have to be 16 or under or a 16 year old Nobel prize winner to be able to scold properly. It won’t work if you have age or experience.

  6. Someone should warn Greta that being invited to the Nobel Dinner could turn out to be the Green New Meal.

  7. As a youngster, I used to think that winning the Nobel Prize was a great accomplishment. Perhaps there was a time when it was. But after Gore and Obama were awarded the prize, I realized that it is a politically motivated farce. My childhood dreams have been stolen from me.

    • There is more than one Nobel Prize! They are awarded by different committees. Perhaps you can focus on the non-Norwegian prizes in the future. 🙂

      • And you don’t think these will be corrupted in the same way, Ric? They’ll find a way to give the physics and chemistry prizes for ‘discoveries’ in Climate sciences, say research on “proving” man is definitely guilty of planet destruction, or converting coal into algae or s9me other worthless piece of work. Medicine prize is a no brainer – saving us all from a climate athsma epidemic with a procedure to retrofit us with a CO2 mask that converts CO2 to biodiesel.

        • Somebody out there is bound to discover the sinister implication of bland weather. It is certainly the harbinger of bad times… it’s an ill wind that doesn’t blow very hard.

          More on this as I work the details out.

        • I guess I could live with the CO2 mask, but the methane harvester scares the willies out of me.

  8. From the article Eric posted:

    […] where she invoked the wrath of Donald Trump […]

    No wonder it’s called Fake News. President Trump ignored her. If I saw any wrath, it was in the look on St. Greta’s face as President Trump breezed by without so much as a glance in St. Greta’s direction.

    Now there was some wrath for you if you want to see wrath.

    • H.R.,
      I knew something would eventually replace the ‘Grumpy Cat’ meme…. but had no idea that it would be ‘Grumpy Greta’ and her supporting cadres of grumpy ReGretables. It’s a strange form of fictional beliefs driving the self-induced misery she espouses and her acolytes embrace.

  9. The Old man Alfred flipped around many years ago. And thanks to this cartoon-committee he won’t turn back anyway soon.

  10. Please remember that just a few months before WW2 started a Swedish social democrat member of Parliament nominated Adolph Hitler to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Astonishing as that is today, it should serve as a reminder what a farce this particular prize is.

    Mussolini got a nomination too I think, but I prefer to think it was because he wrote plays. I’ve never managed to track down the text of any of his plays, but I do hope there is one about the draining of the Pontine marshes as it is so easy to imagine the kind of dreadful lines that he could have written. Perhaps the world agreed back then to track down every copy and destroy them to save posterity’s sanity. That didn’t work out that well I suppose.

    • Just a note that Nobel Prize that Mann didnt win was the peace prize – not the Nobel prize for science

    • But she is going to receive a doctorate :
      -“In May 2019, the University of Mons announced it had awarded a doctor honoris causa (honorary degree) to Thunberg. The doctoral diploma and insignia will be bestowed at the official opening of the university’s 2019-2020 academic year on 10 October 2019.[109]-” (Wiki)
      We will have to be careful to refer to her always as “Dr Thunberg”, otherwise we will get one of those stares, and we don’t want that do we?

      • Dr. of what exactly?
        There goes their reputation. Did they have one before?
        If I had been granted one of those degrees before, I would return it.

        • Doctorum Adamuscum Flabello Dulci (credit Terry Pratchett. “Jingo”)

          For the Classical non-scholars: Doctor of Sweet Fanny Adams.
          More vulgarly it may be Doctorum Futuo Omnium

  11. Jacinda Ardern (Christchurch) is also nominated for a Nobel peace prize just for doing her job. I suppose It’s even lost more meaning since Arafat.

  12. Slightly off topic, but does anyone know who is paying the immaculate saint’s bill while she’s skipping school?

  13. Marie Curie, Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Greta Thunberg members of the same club ? !
    I hope not.

  14. I lost all respect for the Peace Prize committee when they gave the terrorist Yasser Arafat the prize for lying through his teeth about peace while planning the intifada. The leftists were urging the committee to take it away from Rabin and Peres, not Arafat, when Arafat started the intifada and the Israelis had the unmitigated gall to defend themselves! Still, there would be one good thing about giving it to Greta as compared to giving it to Obama. At least Greta has actually done something.

  15. Barrack Obozo got one simply for buying an election, so why not a mentally damaged teenager next. It further illustrates how worthless the Nobel has become.

  16. If you denounce Greta “as a liar or hypocrite” according to the Independent you must be a “right-wing” critic “with little evidence” – yet this same paper refrains from mentioning the arguments these critics use to substantiate their views.

    If you denounce her, you are no different from “Mr Trump, a notorious climate sceptic”. The Independent seems not to have noticed that the best scientists down the centuries have been sceptical not dogmatic and unquestioning people.

    She should receive the Nobel Peace Prize because other celebrities who liberals idolize have received the prize – even though the track record of these recipients after receiving the prize are nothing to write home about.

  17. Who is paying for all of er traveling???? Also, Has sweden stopped using fossil fuels? All of them, down to all plastic products, all electrical products, windows with seals. Farm vehicles, has the Swedish defence industry stopped all fossil fuel use??

    Only reason she is lucky, is down to fossil fuels..

    “And yet I’m one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing”

  18. Libya was the most prosperous nation in Africa. Now there is constant war and open slave markets thanks to Obama. The Nobel committee still hasn’t asked for their peace prize back. Kabuki theater.

  19. The Nobel Prize is a joke and has been for decades. Liars, cads and terrorists win it. If you win it, I assume you are a bad person.

  20. Speaking of Greta, is she back home in Sweden yet? If so, how did she get there? Kayak? Water wings? Airbus A340?

  21. She win it, despite no new insights or relevancy since what she says has been said many times before. She is an obvious front for adults who have socialist plans to put in place.

    There has been no increased peace or science understanding or contribution from her, thus her win is all POLITICAL.

  22. I find it interesting that the very people here in the UK saying that everyone must listen to Saint Greta because she’s “telling the truth” to those in power, also say that Shamima Begum (who ran off to join ISIS in Syria and become an ISIS bride and is still entirely indifferent to the beheaded aid workers etc) should be forgiven and welcomed back home ‘because she was only a fifteen year old girl and counld’t be expected to understand what she was doing’.
    HOW DARE YOU?

  23. Someone spreading panic is nominated for a peace price. Someone being instructed to and acting so well should have an Oscar. It’s a farce and anyone having recieved the Nobel price for solid decent work previously would likely be embraced for having a retarded and abused child as their peer…..but probably they already are after Al Gore and Obama

  24. because of her efforts to raise awareness of the damage fossil fuels are causing to the environment.

    Humph. Her efforts SHOULD raise awareness of the dangers of politically generated stampedes. A scolding brat quoting slogans fits that picture perfectly, while ‘science’ is nowhere in the picture except as one of the slogans.

  25. We can laugh, but doing so ignores the prospective damage. Such recognition would be another major legitimization of baseless but destructive environmental alarm. It is inevitable from a relentless political assault that is ignored without concrete challenge.

    Trump had an opportunity to confront the hysteria with substance and, thereby, repeal the EPA’s endangerment finding – Opportunity missed. Now Trump has bigger fish to fry.

  26. OH WOW
    I didn’t see that coming I am so surprised I can hardly contain my surprisedness, she must have stopped wars, freed prisoners of conscience and so made the world a safer better place!
    SARC SARC SARC SARC

    All it truly does is show how baseless the awards are now and are handed out for towing the party line (selling your soul)

    James Bull

  27. I’ve been watching many YouTube channels recently which covered the griefly outpourings of St Greta of Thunberg in a less than charitable light.

    OK, it’s a self-selecting sample to some extent, but many of these channels usually have little or nothing to say about global-warming, and often toe the alarmist line when they do.

    Yet they seem almost unanimous in that the world should not be paying any attention at all to a very ignorant 16 year old girl, no matter how angry and frightened she has been made by adults who ought to know better.

    Most adults clearly do know better. Those devoted to “the cause” have seriously shot themselves in the foot with this one.

  28. If the Nobel committee doesn’t bestow the prize unto St. Greta, they will certainly be admonished for for hating the children. The wrath of St. Greta will be unleashed upon the committee with a series of “HOW DARE YOU STEAL MY NOBEL PRIZE FROM ME”

    The image from Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory of the little girl Veruca Salt throwing a tantrum to get a goose that lays a golden egg came to mind:
    https://youtu.be/Pqsy7V0wphI

  29. Eric
    I believe you have used this picture before. I have two questions: 1) Are there armed guards regularly patrolling the border between the two countries to prevent trespassing and theft of firewood from the forested side? and 2) Why is there a patch of land in the upper left side of the picture, with the same aspect (compass direction) and equally dense vegetation as the area on the right?

    Vegetation is strongly controlled by slope, aspect, and underlying bedrock and produce very different kinds of vegetation even in the same general areas.

    • Based on the steep terrain, there is likely a river or mountain stream separating the two countries. Transporting wood across something like that is not feasible.

      • icisil
        There is indeed a stream separating the two countries at the location of the picture. It is not a major river. Wood floats, so if you are desperate for alternatives to fossil fuels, I’m sure the locals could find a way to get it across the stream.

        Streams often develop along fault lines where there are either rocks of different erodibility, or brecciated rocks in the fault zone, which tend to be more erodible than the unfractured rocks. That being the case, it is possible that there are different kinds of rocks on the east and west sides.

    • According to my brother who did 2 tours as an aid worker in Haiti, ALL of Haiti is pretty well denuded of vegetation. He was working in Gonaive on recovery from a Hurricane that had occurred 2 years before – installing casings around wells to prevent run off contamination and toilets that did not run into the high water table. Mud 1-2 feet deep still lay in most homes and streets. There was total social breakdown with the whole population on relief and basically incapable of any constructive actions to better themselves. Women were regularly raped when they went out of the town to defecate in the surrounding area. The earthquake had occurred at about that time, but he continued on the Gonaive project.

    • There’s a bit of colonial-era history behind Haiti’s deforestation (and poverty).

      After the Haitians rebelled and killed their previous French owners (as well as their wives and children) in the early 19th C, France demanded financial reparations and imposed a blockad. The Haitians sold a lot of their forests’ trees to raise the money to meet the payments.

        • I’d suggest going to Google Earth and zoom in on the boundary between the two countries. Eric cherry-picked one of the best examples to support his thesis. I have followed the entire trace of the boundary and I have found examples where there is no visible difference between the two sides, and I have found examples where the situation is reversed.

          It also looks like the eastern side of the island generally has higher elevations and steeper terrain. The higher elevations favor cooler temperatures and more rain. The steeper terrain discourages farming, which requires clearing of the land.

          I think that Eric has gone a bridge too far.

    • Clyde, you bring up a good point. Sometimes the picture doesn’t tell the whole story, especially if it specifically cropped to leave out information that contradicts the narrative. The political left is an expert at that.
      So, I pulled up Google (always an unbiased information source… /sarc) and put in for maps of the Dominican Republic. I then did satellite view of the whole island. Zooming into the defined border between the two countries, yes, there is a noticeable tone difference between the two countries, very sharp demarcation at the border. A darker, richer green on the DR side. On the Haitian side, much lighter, some places even barren . Sure, zooming in one can find a few places on the DR side that are barren, and on the Haitian side rich in vegetation. But overall, the DR side is abundant with vegetation, the Haitian side has noticeably less.

      Trust, but verify..

      • MikeH
        I did verify. However, I’d be unwilling to reach the conclusion that Eric did without seeing a topographic map and geologic map of the island. A landuse map would also be instructive.

      • MikeH
        Historically, political boundaries have often been established along obvious differences in topography. That is, rivers and mountain ranges have often been used as boundaries. Mountains (below the timber line) generally are more vegetated in non-glaciated terrains than the surrounding areas because they harvest more moisture from orographic uplift. Mountains also present more of a barrier to harvesting and transporting trees for native people who don’t have access to machinery. Also, mountains are more difficult areas for subsistence farming because of the shallow soils and sparsity of flat land. Thus, there is less pressure on the environment because of the lower population density.

        Clearly, charcoal production has had an impact on the land in Haiti. But, I think the case is overstated. A country with scarce natural resources often has to resort to activities that exacerbate the conditions. Thus, it is easy to confuse cause and effect.

  30. Greta is a secular saint of a faction that has declared war upon normal middle-class living.
    Enjoying unprecedented prosperity, health and longevity that is mainly due to free association and markets.
    And the face of anger and war will likely get the Nobel Peace Prize.

    • Robert W. Turner
      Many of the photos showing the contrast between the two countries appear to be the same area as Eric chose to use. It must be the best example.

  31. I do not see a problem here. She deserves a Noble at least a much a Barack. While we are at it give one to Penn State’s Pillsbury Dough Mann because he wants one really bad.

  32. Well, they gave one to Barry for doing nothing. Why shouldn’t Greta get one? In fact, let’s give one to everybody as a participation prize.

  33. “And now, for her tireless efforts in spreading mass hysteria around the globe, and her relentless pursuit of the destruction of Western Civilization, we present this years Nobel Peace Prize to Ms. Greta Thunberg! Unfortunately, Greta could not be with us tonight because she is currently in Ottawa torturing preschoolers, but here to accept the prize on behalf of Greta is the one, the only, the man himself…Lucifer! Let’s give it up for him! Come on!”

  34. According to https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/14/greta-thunberg-nominated-nobel-peace-prize she was nominated by mid March of this year.

    “We have proposed Greta Thunberg because if we do nothing to halt climate change it will be the cause of wars, conflict and refugees,” said Norwegian Socialist MP Freddy André Øvstegård. “Greta Thunberg has launched a mass movement which I see as a major contribution to peace.”

    “[I am] honoured and very grateful for this nomination,” said Thunberg on Twitter. Tomorrow we #schoolstrike for our future. And we will continue to do so for as long as it takes.” She has already challenged leaders in person at the UN climate summit in late 2018 and at Davos in January. “Change is coming whether they like it or not,” she said.

    • …“Change is coming whether they like it or not,” she said…

      The same can be said of climate. How ironic.

  35. Greta Thunberg’s nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize has been lauded by mainstream media outlets and public figures in Europe, but not everyone is as enthusiastic. Only 15% of Germans welcome the idea, a new poll found.
    66 percent of German citizens responded with a clear ‘no’ to the prospect of Thunberg being given the prestigious award, according to a YouGov survey on climate change and the environment. Only 15 percent supported the nomination and 19 percent were undecided.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/470196-thunberg-nobel-prize-poll/amp/

  36. Czech historian Václav Vlk Sr, writes I am scared of innocent children, translated and endorsed by Lubos Motl. He puts Greta and the children’s crusade into nistorical context, and worries about the whirlwind to come.

    At the end of his article, Veis exclaims with some pathos: “Who is afraid of the children?” Well, dear friend, I am afraid of radicalized, fanatical, abused children because the history teaches us – and the oldest generations still know from their experience – that there is no crime, no atrocity, and no monstrosity that wouldn’t have been committed by fanaticized youth. With songs on their lips and energized by the faith that they are doing the most correct things possible, while washing their hands in the buckets of blood. We have already seen it.

    I am afraid of the so-called innocent children from the texts by Mr Jaroslav Veis and many others. But they are wrong. The fairy-tale boy said the truth but he didn’t demand the king to be killed and the kingdom to be destroyed. And that’s exactly what Greta is doing. So there is some difference, isn’t there?

    When I say that I am afraid of them – I don’t mean that I am afraid of my life or my future. I will no longer join those who trust these liars and fanatics. And given my age… But what about our children and grandchildren? Who are marching like herds of enthusiastically bleating sheep on the Friday For Future rallies?

    https://motls.blogspot.com/2019/10/i-am-scared-of-innocent-children.html

  37. She’ll begin her acceptance speech with “I shouldn’t be here. The Earth is dying. Animals are collapsing. Plants are frying. The heated acid oceans are killing corals, and fish, melting the ice and raising the seas. You have stolen my childhood and my future, and yet here you sit, spouting your empty, meaningless words, and doing nothing to stop it. HOW DARE YOU!

  38. I guess she has been nominated, one class of nominators per https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/ is “Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states”

    However, keep in mind:

    Are the nominations made public?

    The statutes of the Nobel Foundation restrict disclosure of information about the nominations, whether publicly or privately, for 50 years. The restriction concerns the nominees and nominators, as well as investigations and opinions related to the award of a prize.

    50 year secrecy rule

    The Committee does not itself announce the names of nominees, neither to the media nor to the candidates themselves. In so far as certain names crop up in the advance speculations as to who will be awarded any given year’s Prize, this is either sheer guesswork or information put out by the person or persons behind the nomination. Information in the Nobel Committee’s nomination database is not made public until after fifty years.

    Also, from https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/Nomination :

    Nomination

    There are 301 candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize for 2019 out of which 223 are individuals and 78 are organizations.

    301 is the fourth highest number of candidates ever. The current record of 376 candidates was reached in 2016.

    Neither the names of nominators nor of nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize may be divulged until 50 years have elapsed.

  39. If Greta becomes the first Messiah to win the Nobel Peace Prize what awards or achievements are left.
    May I suggest:-
    Winning School Egg and Spoon race assuming she ever goes back to school.
    Fastest crossing of Atlantic by 16 year old on a yacht without a toilet.
    Winning the Egremont Crab Fair Gurning Contest. (If wondering what this is Google it!)

  40. We’ll find out on October 11. From https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/about/prize-announcement-dates

    The 2019 Nobel Prize Announcements

    The prize committees are currently working carefully and independently to select the recipients of the 2019 Nobel Prize and the Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel. The Laureates will be announced starting on 7 October, revealing the scientists, writers and peace workers who – in keeping with the vision of Alfred Nobel – have conferred the greatest benefit to mankind.
    All the announcements will be streamed live on Nobelprize.org.

    Monday 7 October, 11:30 a.m. at the earliest – The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
    The Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet, Wallenbergsalen, Nobel Forum, Nobels väg 1, Solna.

    Tuesday 8 October, 11:45 a.m. at the earliest – The Nobel Prize in Physics
    The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences (Kungl. Vetenskapsakademien, KVA), Sessionssalen, Lilla Frescativägen 4A, Stockholm.

    Wednesday 9 October, 11:45 a.m. at the earliest – The Nobel Prize in Chemistry
    The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, Sessionssalen, Lilla Frescativägen 4A, Stockholm.

    Thursday 10 October, 1.00 p.m. at the earliest – The Nobel Prize in Literature
    The Swedish Academy (Svenska Akademien), Börssalen, Källargränd 4, Stockholm.
    Note: The Swedish Academy will announce the Nobel Prize in Literature for both 2018 and 2019.

    Friday 11 October, 11:00 a.m. – The Nobel Peace Prize
    The Norwegian Nobel Committee, The Norwegian Nobel Institute (Norska Nobelinstitutet), Store Sal, Henrik Ibsens gate 51, Oslo.

    Monday 14 October, 11:45 a.m. at the earliest – The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
    The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, Sessionssalen, Lilla Frescativägen 4A, Stockholm.

    Times listed are local time in Sweden and Norway.

  41. One wonders when the UN will be told that they should find a new HQ location- rather than in the USA.
    Is Greta familiar with the fate of the League of Nations?

  42. What does “environmentalism” have to do with “peace” ?
    The “environmentalists” are definitely not “peaceful” !

  43. According to Wikipedia St. GT’s occupation is “Environmental activist”!?
    It is new to me that there is an occupation called environmental activist, but that is probably because I am too old to know. I guess that has been my long life occupation too, as I have ever so often asked people to take their litter with them home, instead of spreading it all over the forest; engineering has just been my hobby, just as St. GT’s hobby is being a student.

  44. If she is awarded the Peace Prize, it is a real insult to those who have previously won it for making an active contribution to peace in the world. She has done NOTHING except rant. She doesn’t even have a grasp of the big picture (mind you, how many 16 yr olds do?) . It will be a travesty if it is awarded to her.

  45. The Nobel Peace Prize lost any and all credibility after it was awarded to Obama, Al Gore and the U.N. IPCC based on pure politics having nothing to do with anything resembling meaningful results.

  46. O’Bummer got a Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing. Why shouldn’t Greta Thunderbird get a Nobel Peace Prize for driving millions of children to the edge of madness? Next year Nobel Peace Prizes will be offered free in Cornflake Packets to lucky winners.

  47. According to Rupert Darwall in his book Green Tyranny, the Swedish ambassador to the UN from 1977 to 1982 was one Anders Thunberg, the international secretary of the Swedish Social Democratic Party. Does anyone know if there’s a connection?

  48. Still, very seriously and hard scratching my head in the consideration of this movie
    “Idiocracy” actually propagating so strongly as prophetic… as some one else has already point it out.

    Jealousy, the main and the proper path to acts of “noble cause corruption” especially when one no aware and completely blind to that condition… where and when all the rest of the features there involved only as permissible and justifiable add-ons on further fueling and inspiration of and towards the “noble cause corruption” activity.

    cheers

  49. Greta’s mass movement is a “major contribution to peace” in the same way that Hitler’s mass movement was a major contribution to peace.

  50. Some random, incoherent thoughts:

    1. How dare they NOT award her the the prize. Imaging the outrage! No child would ever go to school again.
    2. At least she won’t require a carbon fibre yacht to collect the loot.
    or
    3. Could the Committee take this opportunity correct an obvious oversight and award the prize to to a certain MM?

  51. Why Greta should win the Nobel Peace Prize. She has raised the bar. Instead of being worried for our grandchildren’s future, children now are worried about their own short term future. This will have the effect of instead of talking about it endlessly and doing nothing, now we will have demands that something be done now. It doesn’t matter what. Sacrifices will be demanded. We already are doing the token ones. Get ready for the real ones.

    How soon before they realize that all the proposed solutions will fail to have any effect, and then they call for the final solution? The Final Solution. Either the Jim Jones version or the Pol Pot version. Or world war. All it takes is a leader with no social skills and R.I.P.

    No, don’t encourage the fanatics.

  52. Obviously, the Nobel Peace Prize has NOTHING to do with what you know and EVERYTHING to do with your politics.

  53. Virtual every solution I can think of to accomplish the warmist stated goals would lead total conflict world wide. Perhaps that is their ultimate goal. Remember the half century (plus some) solution. Reduce the world population by 90%.

    cynicism R us.

  54. If Greta Thunberg is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, it will confirm we are now in a world of mass delusion.

    I guess, like Al Gore and the IPCC, she will receive the NPP “for her efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change.”

  55. Award lost all credibility after it was awarded to Obama within months of him being elected in 2008.

    Another insult to worthies like Mother Theresa.

  56. Maybe Greta should become the new head of the IPCC. Afterall the job does not require much in the way of education.

  57. I suppose, given the radical left’s political’s adoption of “inclusion” and “intersectionality”, it was inevitable that former V.P. Gore be dismissed as an “old white guy” and be replaced by Greta Thunberg. Given the times, I suppose we can expect Greta, some time in the future, to declare herself to be a boy… thus keeping up with the lefty Jones’ and extending her future relevance in the “sky is falling” biz.

    That said, I suppose we’ll have to keep up with the times – perhaps by replacing the term “Gore Effect” with “Thunberg Effect”. Given we appear to be headed for a solar minimum winter this year and winter’s tend drag into spring in such circumstances, I’d say this spring might be a good time for the any possible transition. No point in leaving tactical language changes to the opposition.

  58. Considering that Obama was given the Peace Prize for the monumental achievements of not being George Bush and displaying large ammounts of melanin, then giving it to a poor hysterical teenager is right in line with their ‘standards’.

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