Climate Change: The Science & Global Impact" by @MichaelEMann

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Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 2:47 am

I thought the science was settled ?

n.n
Reply to  Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 3:23 am

It is. There is a [social] consensus. And groups like Pew Charitable Trusts are presenting “polls” to confer that more Americans are conforming.

Big T
Reply to  Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 3:57 am

97 percent of them, to be exact.

Sara
Reply to  Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 4:46 am

Irreversible, my Fat Aunt Harriet. Mikey has to stop wishing for global cooling, He might get it and he won’t like it.

N.B.: I like warm, Hooman-friendly weather and being able to not have to bundle up in thermals and thick sweaters all the time. I want to see honeybees (and wild bees) out hunting for nectar in April, and not have to keep the furnace running until the beginning of June.

chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Sara
September 5, 2019 5:02 am

Heretic!

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Sara
September 5, 2019 8:10 am

Sara “What we’ve got here is a failure to communicate”.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=452XjnaHr1A

You gotta get with the program girl.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Sara
September 5, 2019 8:39 am

Right Sara? If its irreversible why all the hullabaloo? Nothing you can do anyway but learn to adapt. Fossil fuels and nuclear energy are certainly going to make adaption more comfortable.

I thank the sun gods everyday that we are warming and not entering the next ice age. Now that would be brutal.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bill Powers
September 5, 2019 9:30 am

Then all those northward traveling Canadian Climate Refugees would need to travel south as True Climate Refugees along with the rest of the Canucks. I wonder if the Inuit would need to travel far??

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 9:33 am

some things are settled
we landed on the moon
planes took the towers down
the earth aint flat
c02 is a GHG
GHGs warm the planet

Some things are bounded but not settled

doubing c02 will get us between 1.5 and 4.5C of warming.
the damage from warming could be low, could be moderate, could be high.

There is no need to deny the settled things when there is much to rationally debate in the bounded but not settled areas. why act the clown like some flat earther?

D. Patterson
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 10:10 am

“doubing c02 will get us between 1.5 and 4.5C of warming.”

No, it won’t Steven. CO2 was greater than now at 540ppm at Giessen, Germany in August 1940, and the climate became colder over the next three decades.

Robert Beckman
Reply to  D. Patterson
September 5, 2019 11:38 am

The counter argument would be that localized surface GHGs are relatively unimportant, as the GHG effect is a large scale variable that could easily be swallowed by any individual local variations.

So Giessen cooled, but some other location warmed as a result.

That’s why local temperatures by themselves are not useful, you need all of the temperatures.

There’s a somewhat famous example where a teacher mounted a metal disk with one end near a fire, and had students come in and measure the temperatures and explain why they got the measurements they did. Each student measured the temperature nearer the fire as cooler than the side further away, and each came up with some mumbo jumbo about why that would be (often using “convection”). In reality, the teacher had simply rotated the disk right before they walked in, and the test was to see if they could explain results that were unexpected – trying to explain it meant they didn’t understand the underlying theories, since none of them could account for the observed measurements.

It’s the same issue with GHGs and temperature: you need all of the measurements, over time, to have any chance of constructing a model that tracks reality. And we just don’t have that even for temperature and GHG, let alone all of the other factors that we know matter, let alone the factors that matter that we don’t even know about.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Robert Beckman
September 5, 2019 12:25 pm

“So Giessen cooled, but some other location warmed as a result.”

As a result? Unproven.

D. Patterson
Reply to  Robert Beckman
September 5, 2019 2:11 pm

False argument on your part, because the cooling was Global in extent and not just in Germany between the heat of the 1930s to the cold of the 1940s to ~1979. The old argument that the CO2 was not properly observed and measured or that it did not represent the background levels of atmospheric CO2 is disingenuous as well. The Keelings like to not measure atmospheric CO2 in the places where most of it exists in the atmosphere at surface levels, and they homogenize the record to disguise the peak levels which would demonstrate >400ppm levels of CO2 prior to the more recent period and more consistent with the Giessen, Germany 1940 records and recent records of ambient CO2 in Paris, France. Consequently, you analogy to CO2 is an entirely false anaolgy with respect to the last two centuries of CO2 measurements.

JohnB
Reply to  Robert Beckman
September 5, 2019 4:14 pm

doubing c02 will get us between 1.5 and 4.5C of warming.

Not without rewriting the Laws of Physics Steve. A natural system cannot have a more than 100% feedback without being unstable and going to the extreme. In the case of climate, a snowball or Venus. Neither of these has happened in the last 4 billion years, ergo the system is not unstable. From that, it logically follows that the feedbacks cannot be above 100%.

Feedbacks that respond to temperature rise cannot differentiate between the cause of the temperature rise and so respond to themselves as well as the initial cause. I would ballpark that about 2.1 degrees would be the maximum.

Derg
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 10:10 am

Steven when doctors prescribed antacids for an ulcer was that settled science?

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Derg
September 5, 2019 11:26 am

No, it was merely treating a symptom. It is akin to prescribing painkillers for broken leg.
Neither settle science, nor was it even good experimentation.
However much of medicine has been described as merely entertaining the patient while nature takes its course.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Derg
September 5, 2019 12:47 pm
Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
September 5, 2019 1:05 pm

Ant acids are typically formic acid.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 10:17 am

Wha?

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 10:20 am

Steve, thanks for your extended comment. However, I don’t see the proponents of GW / AGW / CAGW / CC / CCC / CE willing to “rationally debate” anything, even the mere bounded prognostications.

“… the damage from warming could be low, could be moderate, could be high …” You are correct, and that is one of the issues with Climate Science – all pronouncements of doom are “could” or “may”. When I was studying science, we were taught that we had to provide some idea of the certainty of our results. “High confidence” doesn’t cut it.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 10:49 am

“Why act a clown” indeed. Ask yourself.

None of those posts were “flat-earther.”

BillJ
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 11:40 am

“oubing c02 will get us between 1.5 and 4.5C of warming.
the damage from warming could be low, could be moderate, could be high.”

Or it could be beneficial. That one always seems to be left out.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 1:02 pm

Mosher
You said, “doubing c02 will get us between 1.5 and 4.5C of warming.” You state it as though it is settled. From what I read, it is NOT settled. It seems highly improbable that the range is less than zero, and improbable that it is greater than 10. But, that still leaves a lot of room for the extent to which CO2 contributes to warming, and just what the bounds are on all the GHG contributions. After all, CO2 is not the only GHG, and things like water vapor, methane, and exotic synthetic gases are also increasing.

Thomas
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 2:34 pm

Mosher, You omitted the more likely possibility. The warming could be so mild that it has an undetectable impact on Earth’s biosphere, or even a net beneficial impact. Additional atmospheric CO2 is, without question, a net benefit due to the fact that it is plant food (global greening). “Beneficial warming” is the more likely scenario because we have been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere for over one hundred years and the amount of warming that the IPCC attributes to CO2 (50% +) was very mild. If the warming had all occurred at once, few life forms would be able to even detect it, much less be adversely affected by it. The world is greener (i.e. more alive) that it used to be and only imperceptibly warmer. We don’t need fancy models for the physics or the economics. We have already, unwittingly, conducted the experiment and the results shows that CO2 is nothing to worry about. Our best course of action is to spend time and money on things that really matter, like bringing the developing world out of abject poverty. We have been quite successful in the past 50 years, due to wealth created in large part by our use of fossil fuels, but there is still much work to be done.

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 4:50 pm

Models say 1.5 – 4.5C.
Actual real world science says 0.2 to 0.3C.

Of course when your income depends on the models being right, they will always be right.

Mike
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 6:10 pm

”GHGs warm the planet”
So what warmed the planet during the MWP etc?

LdB
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 5, 2019 7:08 pm

Only a layman like Mosher would make the statement “bounded but not settled” if your theory is incomplete it can’t bound anything. Even simple things like ocean waves that seem to have “bounds” would get caught when suddenly ships would get destroyed by “rogue wave”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave

The bottom line is if it isn’t full described it isn’t bounded.

Greg Strebel
Reply to  Steven Mosher
September 6, 2019 1:43 pm

Planes most certainly did not take the towers down: https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 10:39 am

He blocked me on Twitter and I never used any ad hominems in any of my tweets on the threads that he was on.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
September 5, 2019 1:07 pm

Alan
By “He,” are you referring to Mosher?

PTP
Reply to  Robertfromoz
September 5, 2019 5:32 pm

And I thought that Mann-splaining was supposed to be a bad thing too.

Mark Broderick
September 5, 2019 3:09 am

“Marlo Lewis: Climate questions for politicians (that no one seems to want to ask)”

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/marlo-lewis-climate-questions-for-democrats-that-no-one-seems-to-want-to-ask

“In the United States, there has been no increase in flood magnitudes in any region since the 1920s, and no nationwide increase in drought since 1900 as measured by the Palmer Drought Severity Index.

There has been no trend since 1900 in the strength or frequency of U.S. land-falling hurricanes, and none in hurricane-related damages once losses are adjusted for increases in population, wealth, and the consumer price index.”

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Mark Broderick
September 5, 2019 7:45 am

A good question to ask the candidates is “Would you share with us how you have seen the climate change during your lifetime, and how has it affected you?”

Taphonomic
Reply to  Mike McMillan
September 5, 2019 8:42 am

Better question are: “What about China and India increasing emissions while the USA is reducing emissions? What good will screwing our economy do when they keep increasing emissions?”

Gunga Din
Reply to  Mike McMillan
September 5, 2019 3:59 pm

A followup question.
“Why do you limit “climate change” to what you have observed in your lifetime?”

September 5, 2019 3:20 am

Wow, it’s worth than we thought…

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 5, 2019 10:10 am

True, it’s worth about as much as I expected… but it’s priced far more than its worth.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 5, 2019 1:09 pm

Did you ever program in LISP?

September 5, 2019 3:22 am

Worse I mean, worse, sorry !

Greg
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 5, 2019 4:14 am

I like your first version better. You need camp transgender accent to make this claims properly.

#Climatecrisis #sitcomm

The other George
Reply to  Greg
September 5, 2019 6:52 am

“transgender accent” — nice meme
Trans1: What is a myth?
Trans2: A trans moth?

Mark Broderick
Reply to  The other George
September 5, 2019 7:25 am

ROTFLMAO….thanks

HotScot
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 5, 2019 5:48 am

First one was fine except you missed ‘more’ out.

Wow, it’s worth more than we thought…

Loads more money to be squeezed out the magic climate tree.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Krishna Gans
September 5, 2019 5:58 am

I think you mean, “It’s worth more than I thought”. Think about Al Gore and his carbon-trading fortune.

ozspeaksup
September 5, 2019 3:26 am

wow thats so deep and intense…not!
2 to 4hrs a week for 8 weeks
guess he needs to make some spondulicks to pay his legal bills n pay the costs awarded against him?

Susan
Reply to  ozspeaksup
September 5, 2019 4:09 am

It says the course is free. I wonder what the catch is…

Coach Springer
Reply to  Susan
September 5, 2019 6:19 am

Perhaps it is being underwritten by other parties? Well, duh.

Mark Broderick
Reply to  Susan
September 5, 2019 7:24 am

Selling his new Fake book / movie ….D’OH !

BillP
Reply to  Susan
September 5, 2019 7:38 am

A high probability of permanent brain damage.

Reply to  Susan
September 5, 2019 9:48 am

Isn’t it worth every penny of the price?

The other George
Reply to  Curious George
September 5, 2019 9:54 am

TANSTAAFL

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Susan
September 5, 2019 10:16 am

It’s worth every penny you pay for it, but you cannot regain the lost time spent attending.
…and every person in the room will be dumber for hearing it.

Bemused Bill
September 5, 2019 3:42 am

Robert, it will never be settled, far too many peoples incomes depend on it.

Hokey Schtick
September 5, 2019 4:20 am

Lesson one. It was the hottest July evah! Next week, splicing proxies to the instrument record.

Bruce Cobb
September 5, 2019 4:22 am

I would, but it so happens I have a root canal, colostomy, and heart surgery scheduled for then.
Darn.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 5, 2019 1:13 pm

Bruce
Sorry to hear that you will miss out on the opportunity for the lobotomy.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 6, 2019 9:13 am

I’d rather have a bottle in front of me.
Hic!

Alastair Gray
September 5, 2019 4:46 am

I signed up .prepared for twaddle and tedium
Will keep you posted

H.R.
Reply to  Alastair Gray
September 5, 2019 6:30 am

I would have signed up too, Alastair, but I’m finding that shooting a pneumatic nail gun into my skull appears to be more fun than taking that course, so I’m going with the nail gun.

My hat is off to you. Thanks for taking one for the team. I’m looking forward to your reports.

Max
Reply to  H.R.
September 5, 2019 7:32 am

Will the hat come off after the nail gun thingy to the skull and all?

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  H.R.
September 5, 2019 12:57 pm

Max, there’s ’nuff nails to hang hats on.

Spuds
Reply to  Alastair Gray
September 5, 2019 8:25 am

Interglacial periods = Climate Change….no humans need apply!😄😄

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Alastair Gray
September 5, 2019 11:00 am

Don’t forget to purchase the certificate on completion of the course.

Phil R
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
September 5, 2019 11:51 am

You, too, can have a Nobel Prize of your very own.

TonyL
September 5, 2019 5:27 am

This course is affiliated with edX, a great operation. They offer free courses in just about everything from just about everybody. You can take computer science courses from Harvard University, engineering from MIT, and on and on. I cannot recommend it highly enough. They even have a wide variety of chemistry courses, just the ticket. And it is all free.

Unfortunately:
This course is run by SDG Academy.
SDG is Sustainable Developmental Goals. As in the United Nations Agenda 2030.
Here is the link:
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/post2015/transformingourworld

SDG Academy is sponsored by the United Nations.
From their website:

The SDG Academy is the online education platform of the Sustainable Development Solutions Network (SDSN), a global initiative for the United Nations.

And the link to SDG Academy:
https://sdgacademy.org/

beng135
Reply to  TonyL
September 5, 2019 8:20 am

They prb’ly should pay people to tolerate the “course”. Might be worth some kind of psychological-stress/response study.

Walt D.
September 5, 2019 5:55 am

A Catechism form the Church of Climate Change.

September 5, 2019 5:59 am

Climate Alarmism 101.
Topics covered.
– How a minor trace gas increase summons the 4 Horsemen of the Climpocalypse
– Taking a conclusion and building a sciency sounding narrative around it.
– Uncertainty? Why We don’t need stinking uncertainty
– Consensus science and the road to tenure in the 21st Century
– Why your billionaire betters need you to obey for their children
– Building the better hockey stick : Lies, damn lies, and statistics
– Attribution, in computer models we trust… because we said so
– The Green New Deal and a better 2 class society
– Climate leity to priesthood, always trust Big Brother
– Why Renewable energy and the road to virtue and salvation needs your 401K

GregB
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 5, 2019 6:27 am

Plus! A free wizard’s hat when you complete the course.

auto
Reply to  GregB
September 5, 2019 12:25 pm

The wizard’s hokey stick has already been awarded.
To My Key Mann! Ta-da!!

That bit is settled, at least.

Auto

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
September 5, 2019 1:02 pm

– Climate leity to priesthood, always trust Big Brother –>
– Climate deity to priesthood, always trust Big Brother

Reply to  Johann Wundersamer
September 5, 2019 4:43 pm

I misspelled “laity.”

Laity
A layperson is a person who is not qualified in a given profession and/or does not have specific knowledge of a certain subject. In religious organizations, the laity consists of all members who are not members of the clergy, usually including any non-ordained members of religious institutes, e.g. a nun or lay brother.

DocSuders
September 5, 2019 5:59 am

What people say to pollsters is one thing…actually doing what the polls imply they said…is different. There is “virtue” peer pressure afloat for sure regarding “Climate”. You’re not a good person if you don’t believe in “doing something” about the climate.

But in the real world I don’t see anybody actually doing anything different in their lives to “fix the climate”.

Once the citizens start visibly paying one or two hundred $$ a month for climate…they are going to become willing to hear more about the truth of the matter. It will become an easier sell.

And when simple 4th grade arithmetic calculations reveal that that extra $100 a month will do “diddly minus squat” to global temperatures out to 100 years, there will be strong resistance. And hopefully the next cooling phase will arrive to finally slay this monster.

The International Socialists will find another issue to attack nationalism and freedom with – probably another trans border environmental issue. It will be hard to find an issue more impactful than the CO2 thing…awfully clever. But they will have the Press and taxpayer supported Academia and the Entertainment Industry out there doing the daily footwork in the long struggle against the indivudual and individual freedoms.

Don’t expect the Republicans to fight for the truth in the Climate non-debate. Apparently the big money in both the Republican and Democrat camps are agreeable to employing this fraud as a means of controlling the masses…and using government funds to further enrich themselves.

Dean
September 5, 2019 6:09 am

Well I’m booked in!

Should be interesting 🙂

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Dean
September 5, 2019 12:52 pm

Should suck like a fruit bat on a mango.

lee
September 5, 2019 6:15 am

It seems he has no original thought. It has already been done by John Kook, via his Denial101x webinars

ATheoK
September 5, 2019 6:33 am

“most damaging and irreversible climate change impacts on people and planet.”

A rather definitive statement proving the course is not about science at all.

Clarky of Oz
September 5, 2019 6:36 am

Nah, I think I will just go to the pub.

Dean Sorley
September 5, 2019 6:59 am

This is gonna be great. Did you guys know that if you were able to capture and reuse all the solar radiation in 1m^2 at the top of the atmosphere you could power a refridgerator all day!

Walter Sobchak
September 5, 2019 7:11 am

I hope that somebody will report on the Democrat candidate Climate town hall. It was so bad that it made Joe Biden’s eye bleed.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bidens-eye-fills-with-blood-during-cnn-climate-town-hall

J. Mart
September 5, 2019 7:41 am

Lesson zero: Presentation and Propaedeutics
How to draw hockey sticks.

michael hart
September 5, 2019 8:00 am

“Who wants to take it? “

How much are they willing to pay? I’m open to all unreasonably large offers.

Robert W Turner
September 5, 2019 8:02 am

The end of the course comes with complementary Kool-Aid!

September 5, 2019 8:31 am
Rod Evans
September 5, 2019 8:37 am

As the old saying goes, if you intend to sup with the devil make sure you have a very long hockey stick….sorry I meant spoon.

Phaedo
September 5, 2019 8:46 am

Excellent. Will someone ask him why he wouldn’t provide the data that the court ask for during his slander case.

Reply to  Phaedo
September 5, 2019 12:07 pm

Or why he won’t provide the data any way.
It’s called science.

Fred
September 5, 2019 9:20 am

Got to love this section:
“Module 2: Observing and Measuring Anthropogenic Climate Change”
Wow, there is a way to measure the anthropogenic contribution? *facepalm*

Bruce Cobb
September 5, 2019 10:30 am

If you finish the course successfully, do you get a fake Nobel like his?

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 5, 2019 11:40 am

No, you get a laurel, and hardy handshake………………

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Matthew W
September 5, 2019 12:55 pm

I don’t think I could stan it.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
September 5, 2019 1:42 pm

I think we olie feel the same way.

Mark - Helsinki
September 5, 2019 12:38 pm

Mann is in the Z list of atmospheric scientists, I don’t even consider him to be one given his laughably incorrect attempted explanations of meteorological events in the recent past like the one he got backwards and was corrected by Joe Bastardi on, no wonder it’s free, though you get a cert if you cough up 44 euro 😀

john
September 5, 2019 1:01 pm

Weren’t the “climate refugees” all supposed to move to Nova Scotia if Trump was elected?

Ian Johnson
September 5, 2019 1:21 pm

It could be that the Brits who have moved to the Costa del Sol are climate refugees. They have moved to a preferable climate.

Aeronomer
September 5, 2019 1:33 pm

WOMP WOMP

September 5, 2019 6:22 pm

About this course

Climate change is arguably the greatest challenge of our time. Human activity has already warmed the planet by one degree Celsius relative to pre-industrial times, and we are feeling the effects through record heat waves, droughts, wildfires and flooding. If we continue to burn fossil fuels at the current rate, the planet will reach two degrees of warming by 2050 – the threshold that many scientists have identified as a dangerous tipping point. What is the science behind these projections?

One degree! … whoooo, even if it were possible to actually, physically prove this, then so what? — ONE DEGREE !!

And all those claimed record extreme events are provably wrong, wrong, WRONG.

TWO degrees!! … double whoooo, even if possible to prove, then, again, so-the-hell what? — TWO DEGREES !!

“many scientists” ? … CORRECTION: “many politicized scientists” [and I might even need single quotes inside the double quotes of “scientists”]

“dangerous tipping point” ? … please, exaggerate much? — of all the … “scientists” … included in the claim, how many of them would use the phrase, “dangerous tipping point”?

But, if Dr. Mann would pay for my air fare, hotel, food, rental car and all other high-carbon-footprint requirements to attend the course, then, hey, I’d show up. I wonder what the carbon footprints of all the attendees will be.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 6, 2019 8:31 am

Oh, it’s an online course. How superficial of me to miss that important detail. I just committed strawman sarcasm. I hope you can forgive me, since whenever I see anything representative of Dr. Mann’s positive achievements, I tend to skim over the writing, since my sense of his positive achievements is negative.

I’ll do better next time.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
September 6, 2019 12:16 pm

I signed up for the course, by the way, because I want to see how he presents his case.

He might rest assured that if his case is good enough, then I will be a convert.

So Doc, if you happen to read this, then let’s see what you’ve got — I will view it all with a rational consciousness for finding the evidence.

Richard w
September 7, 2019 7:21 am

I signed up for the edX Mann course. Interesting stuff. Where can I find similar content not Mann colored?

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