Establishment preparing for “climate refugees” to come to Canada

From True North

In theory, anyone who feels inconvenienced by climate change could attempt to claim refugee status in Canada.

        by True North Wire

         August 28, 2019

As the fear of climate change reaches hysteric levels, the government and media are suggesting that Canadians must accept “climate refugees” in the future.

The United Nations admits that a climate refugee “does not exist in international law” but many activists claim the term refers to a person who will be forced to flee their homes due to the adverse effects of the earth’s changing climate.

Millions of people around the world already live in climates that are difficult for human habitation such as deserts and mountains, yet these people could now come to Canada as refugees on that fact alone.

Though no official climate refugees exist at this moment, the idea has been floated as a serious policy by the CBC.

“With the changing climate, there will be areas in the country, previously considered unlivable, that may become more temperate. Some suggest this puts Canada in the unique position of being able to accept those who have been pushed out of their homes due to climate change-related conditions: Climate refugees,” a CBC journalist wrote in June.

Even by the most alarmist predictions, Canada’s climate would only increase by a fraction of a degree over the next few decades, making the above scenario far-fetched in this century.

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126 thoughts on “Establishment preparing for “climate refugees” to come to Canada

  1. I expect the reverse with Sun Cycles 24-27 more likely to usher in a new solar grand minimum. I foresee the crop line moving south by hundreds of miles.

    • That’s not a problem if Canada is merely a stepping stone to the U.S. anyway and if Canada makes money off that process.

      • What about those forced to flee their homes due to far overreaching climate mitigation laws and associated costs

        • Well Singapore is one low lying option not subject to rising seas taxation scams, even if it’s expensive. There are other tax havens around, mostly with beach front real estate.

          • Tell me about it.

            I had my eye on that one Barack and Michelle picked up for a steal.

            Me and my extended familiy are now in a most precarious situation I gotta tell you all.

            Hmmmm ‘Go Fund Me’ is looking the go. Our last, sniff, chance to survive ….. (heeelpp!)

      • Prove it, or shut it.

        1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

        2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

        There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

        • The 4 largest global temperature increases since recorded history ( 1800s ) have occurred over the last 5 years. There has been a direct correlation of carbon emission increases over the last 40 years ( since 1980 ) to corresponding temperature increases globally. Glaciers have been melting at an alarming rate. The famed snows of Kilimanjaro have melted more than 80 percent since 1912. Glaciers in the Garhwal Himalaya in India are retreating so fast that researchers believe that most central and eastern Himalayan glaciers could virtually disappear by 2035. Arctic sea ice has thinned significantly over the past half century, and its extent has declined by about 10 percent in the past 30 years. NASA’s repeated laser altimeter readings show the edges of Greenland’s ice sheet shrinking. Scientists point out that sea levels have risen and fallen substantially over Earth’s 4.6-billion-year history. But the recent rate of global sea level rise has departed from the average rate of the past two to three thousand years and is rising more rapidly—about one-tenth of an inch a year. A continuation or acceleration of that trend has the potential to cause striking changes in the world’s coastlines.

          • Bigfoot dated my neighbor.

            Nessie has a thing for blue Buicks.

            Leprechauns operate heavy machinery at night.

            I asked for proof, not silly claims.

            Care to try again?

            1- List all climate forcings, order them from most to least effectual, and then quantify them all.

            2- Please provide even one peer reviewed paper that refutes natural variability as the cause of recent, or any, global climate changes.

            There is nothing unusual or unprecedented about our climate, or how we got here. For 4,500,000,000 years climates have always changed, naturally. This means there has been a set precedent, and the burden of proof falls on natural climate change deniers like yourself.

            Capiche?

          • The 4 largest global temperature increases since recorded history ( 1800s ) have occurred over the last 5 years. There has been a direct correlation of carbon emission increases over the last 40 years ( since 1980 ) to corresponding temperature increases globally. Glaciers have been melting at an alarming rate. The famed snows of Kilimanjaro have melted more than 80 percent since 1912. Glaciers in the Garhwal Himalaya in India are retreating so fast that researchers believe that most central and eastern Himalayan glaciers could virtually disappear by 2035. Arctic sea ice has thinned significantly over the past half century, and its extent has declined by about 10 percent in the past 30 years. NASA’s repeated laser altimeter readings show the edges of Greenland’s ice sheet shrinking. Scientists point out that sea levels have risen and fallen substantially over Earth’s 4.6-billion-year history. But the recent rate of global sea level rise has departed from the average rate of the past two to three thousand years and is rising more rapidly—about one-tenth of an inch a year. A continuation or acceleration of that trend has the potential to cause striking changes in the world’s coastlines.

            The 4 largest global temperature increases since recorded history ( 1800s ) have occurred over the last 5 years. (False)
            http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_August_2019_v6.jpg
            the highest temp anomaly was caused by the El Nino and every subsequent year has been lower to significantly lower
            There has been a direct correlation of carbon emission increases over the last 40 years ( since 1980 ) to corresponding temperature increases globally. (T/F)
            This is dependant on scaling factors for Apple’s and oranges measurements
            Glaciers have been melting at an alarming rate. (“Alarming” is subjective)
            Over the course of several thousand years the largest glacier ever melted away and no one was alarmed. Retreating glaciers today are uncovering the remains of Forrest stumps that have been covered by ice for millennia, ice that didn’t exist several thousand years ago. what is the “natural” climate state for the world?
            The famed snows of Kilimanjaro have melted more than 80 percent since 1912. False Kilimanjaro has lost its snow cap due to an alteration of the natural evapotranspiration process caused by deforestation. Ice was lost to sublimation (solid to gas) rather than melt (solid to liquid).
            Glaciers in the Garhwal Himalaya in India are retreating so fast that researchers believe that most central and eastern Himalayan glaciers could virtually disappear by 2035. Those researchers are mistaken Those very statements have been recanted and will be proven incorrect in 16 years. in all likelihood 1 or 2 gal piers might vanish, The last remnants of the once great Laurentide Ice Sheet will.
            Arctic sea ice has thinned significantly over the past half century, and its extent has declined by about 10 percent in the past 30 years. Also subjective all we have as far as accurate measurements comes from the satellites era We also have reports from ships of ice free NW Passage trips in the 30s and we have fools that can’t traverse it today without crashing their vessels or encountering thick ice blocking their path.
            NASA’s repeated laser altimeter readings show the edges of Greenland’s ice sheet shrinking. True much as it has since LIA cooling ended
            Scientists point out that sea levels have risen and fallen substantially over Earth’s 4.6-billion-year history. True But the recent rate of global sea level rise has departed from the average rate of the past two to three thousand years and is rising more rapidly—about one-tenth of an inch a year. (Subjectivity False) sea level has risen far more from 3000 – 2000 ya and even far more and far faster 8kya
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Holocene_Sea_Level.png
            A continuation or acceleration of that trend has the potential to cause striking changes in the world’s coastlines. (News flash…The coastlines are constantly changing as erosion and weathering are natural geologic processes which are unaffected by increasing or decreasing ambient CO2 levels)

          • Nonsense. Look up climate.weather.gc.ca and review historical weather over the last 40 years for Toronto, Calgary and Vancouver and then some. If you do a bit of literature search on climate change youll see that clinate models are unreliable, hurricane frequencies unchanged, hockey stick temp fraud, etc. CO2 IR radiation exitation frequencies is a small fraction of the IR spectrum which has led to some scientists to question if we havent reached saturation conditions of CO2 in the atmosphere. Lastly but not least quit parroting what others say and do your honework

      • The UAH data for lower troposphere and mid troposphere temperatures show no net warming from July 1988 to Dec 2018, a more than 30 years period.

      • Well, griff… there’s always Canada. And you could always get a job with the current administration there. Be sure to take your sun tan lotion.

      • Hahaha! Maybe Griff, you can put on Bollywood clothes and join Justin the Pajama Boy for his next climate change sleepover!!! It will be a grand thing, for sure!

      • Griff,
        Have you tried Baffin Island bananas?
        They are beautiful.
        They would not have existed had climate not changed so dramatically – and all in out lifetime.
        Bloody incredible.
        You donkey.

    • I totally agree Walter. These AGW people are not being realistic, or using science properly. They have little, to no idea what a Grand Solar Minimum really means. I talk to a fair number of these AGW folks, and when I begin talking about a GSM, and going back to things like the Younger Dryas Impact Event, their eyes just glaze over.

      • As a long time resident of Florida, I can safely vouch that we’ve been Ground Zero of climate refugees for many decades already … but mostly consisting of Canadians, Americans from the northern tier of states, and northern Europeans … all trying to escape the bitter cold of up north.

        Somehow I have a very difficult time imagining that this flow will ever reverse course.

        • Yep. My thoughts were, when Canada starts getting ‘sunbirds’ from Florida every summer, then I’ll take this more seriously.

  2. Maybe the Mexicans can use that as a way to immigrate to the US???
    But the most hysterical idea is that it could even be a problem. There is no climate on earth where humans have not managed to live – including polar areas and Death valley. Uh, folks, warmth increases crop yields – this isn’t the frog in the pot on the stove thing, it is the frog in the pot in the freezer.
    When the climate turns cold again, the influx will be FROM Canada and FROM the US Northeast, as the ice will grow to a MILE DEEP where New York City now sits.
    THOSE will be the climate refugees, not those that are simply uncomfortable with where they currently live. Don’t like the heat? Move 500 miles north. Move up 1000 feet in altitude. Become a nudist.

  3. So they will be the same as those who come to england just for the free benefits? Free healthcare, free housing and full child support… People go where the money is… People from Afghanistan, Pakistan, make the trip to england, they leave out all of europe, just to get to england, clearly its not about safety, its about getting free money, freedom to not work, or even fit in with society…

    • Sunny, you can’t just blurt out the truth like that! You need to work some feelings into the comment, like “I feel like any person thinking of themselves as a climate refuge that goes to Canada, Eh, is looney tunes”. There, fixed it.

      • Wow! You should really read links before posting them. LOL

        “Asylum support
        Contents

        Government Digital Service
        You can ask for somewhere to live, a cash allowance or both as an asylum seeker.

        Housing

        You’ll be given somewhere to live if you need it. This could be in a flat, house, hostel or bed and breakfast.

        You can’t choose where you live. It’s unlikely you’ll get to live in London or south-east England.

        Cash support

        You’ll get £37.75 for each person in your household. This will help you pay for things you need like food, clothing and toiletries.

        Your allowance will be loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN card) each week. You’ll be able to use the card to get cash from a cash machine.

        If you’ve been refused asylum

        You’ll be given:

        somewhere to live
        £35.39 per person on a payment card for food, clothing and toiletries
        You won’t be given:

        the payment card if you don’t take the offer of somewhere to live
        any money
        Extra money for mothers and young children

        You’ll get extra money to buy healthy food if you’re pregnant or a mother of a child under 3. The amount you get will depend on your situation.

        Your situation Extra payment per week
        Pregnant mother £3
        Baby under 1 year old £5
        Child aged 1 to 3 £3
        Maternity payment

        You can apply for a one-off £300 maternity payment if your baby is due in 8 weeks or less, or if your baby is under 6 weeks old.

        If you’ve been refused asylum

        You can apply for a one-off £250 maternity payment if your baby is due in 8 weeks or less or if your baby is under 6 weeks old.

        Applying for the maternity grant

        You apply for the maternity grant in the same way whether you’re still an asylum seeker or you’ve been refused asylum.

        You’ll need to request form MAT B1 from your doctor to apply for the payment. You can apply for the maternity payment at the same time you apply for asylum support.

        If you get pregnant after you’ve applied for asylum support, you can apply to the support team that dealt with your application for asylum support.

        Healthcare

        You may get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.

        You’ll also get:

        free prescriptions for medicine
        free dental care for your teeth
        free eyesight tests
        help paying for glasses
        Education

        Your children must attend school if they are aged 5 to 17. All state schools are free and your children may be able to get free school meals.”

        Quite different from how you tried to frame it.

      • Yet more lies,what gall to say locals are refusing housing,it’s not offered.Of course you didn’t mention the free housing,heating,school uniforms and furniture.Let off £8 per each prescription and NHS dental fees which a normal brit has to pay towards.You will also jump to the head of the queue,which in my city is an 11 year waiting list.Thats only for local white people.
        Be your not in a council or housing ass property,I am.

        • If any actual British born of brit descent refuses an offered house? you know the inferior, but supposedly priveledged? white folks..
          I’d be betting its because its in a sth african or muslim majority area where their lives would be pure hell. if the cops wont go there…why should a family risk their lives and property?
          Id hope the Brexit and decent borders again might get rid of some and stop the rest from lobbing in and taking FROM britain

          and we have areas in AUS now that are developing similar issues. sudanese enclaves etc

      • No, that is why we get them all in Sweden. And here they are perfectly free to work, but unfortunately they won’t. At least not with anything legal.

      • Griff, there are dozens of make-shift boats trying to cross the channel every week of refugees trying to get to the UK. There is a massive problem with people daily trying to hide in and under vehicles going to the UK. There are tens and hundreds of thousands of refugees in the UK, almost all of whom passed throught at least two other European countries, first.

        Why the UK and not France, Spain, Italy, Austria, etc? Better government benefits. They don’t have to be great benefits, just better benefits.

        • There’s another reason to add to the mix when considering why people come to the UK: Language.
          I’ll wager that there are more ‘refugees’ with a smattering of English than French, or Dutch.

      • Griff,
        Again you have hit the nail on the head.
        You have identified why “””refugees””” have stopped coming to England (Ha, ha, ha).
        You donkey.

  4. IIRC the world’s first Climate Change Refugee tried to claim sanctuary in New Zealand. It didn’t work as the courts said he wasn’t a climate refugee. I think he claimed his island was sinking.

    • They had a “climate refugee” asking a question during the Demcrat Town Hall climate change meeting last night. She said something about being the first or among the first climate refugees. Her claim to fame is she is a native American living in Louisiana and the land the tribe is living on is subsiding, so the tribe has to move, and she attributes the sinking to rising sea levels rather than the land sinking, which, in her mind, makes her a climate change refugee.

      I heard another participant claim sea level had risen 8 inches in Florida. Noone questioned her claim. Instead, they all nodded their heads in affirmation and sadness at the unfolding disaster.

      There were a lot of ridiculous claims made last night. I listened to every one of those people. It was hard work! What it amounted to was a room full of true believers. Not one question about whether human-caused climate change is actually real or not.

      It was assumed by all in attendance that CAGW was real and was happening right this very minute. All with absolutely no evidence CAGW is really happening, even the IPCC says so. That doesn’t stop them from getting emotionally exercised over the subject. That’s what the alarmists are good at, getting emotionally exercised over just about anything.

      I looked at all those young, misguided faces in the audience and it made me sad to think what kind of emotional turmoil they are going through based on a pack of CAGW lies. One of these days they will know the truth about the Earth’s climate and about how they have been fooled into believing CO2 is a danger. In the meantime, they suffer.

      • Tom Abbott: “[…] during the Dem[o]crat Town Hall climate change meeting last night.”

        That was last night?!? Ah well. I missed it.

        I had more important things to do. I was very busy listening to my nose hairs growing. No sane person would stop in the middle of that just to watch the Dems yammer on about the Climate Crisis, right?

      • You are to be commended for sitting through it. We watched Nadal.

        And be very afraid – all those young people are going to be in charge in a few years.

      • I would literally get heart palps if I had to sit through that. PVC’s are induced when I see idiocy on display.

    • It’s covered in the article a climate refugee “does not exist in international law” nor does it exist for an economic refugee. Put simply there is no convention or law you can use to try to compel a country via any legal mechanism to take you under those categories.

      What you would require is the UN to make a treaty for recognition of such groups and countries to sign on. I suspect there would be only a few countries that might sign such a thing and most of them refugees are not interested in going to.

  5. Don’t worry, only 46 days left until Trudope gets creamed and Canadian liberal heads start exploding..!

  6. Canada’s weapon grade stupid..PM & cabinet. As I hear ads on radio that say we are feeling the effects of climate change already I really have to wonder about people.

    • Al miller… People have become so stuck on the climate change, that if it rains for more then 3 minutes, the world is going to end…. I wonder how the Aboriginals of Australia lived and survived for between 60-80 Thousand years… Or the native Americans, how did they survive for thousands of years with no modern medicine, or insulated homes?

      • With great difficulty. Their lives were short (compared to modern standards) with most of their time consumed by the tasks of basic survival. It was a constant struggle. Little time was left over for leisure activities.

  7. What, move to Canada so they can complain about the climate of Almost Winter, Winter, Still Winter and Construction?

    • Why not? People move to Florida then complain it is too hot and humid. They pray for cooler weather.

  8. I’d send the climate refugees to northernmost Nunavut so they can experience global warming, with polar amplification, at its worst.

    Brrrr,
    Bob

  9. There are already thousands of climate refugees. They are the Canadians fleeing to Florida and Arizona to escape the Canadian winters. Of course they must return every summer to maintain their health care and pensions.

    • Its the annual migration of the Snow Birds down the eastern and western flyways. Interesting its increase seems to be correlated with inexpensive air travel.
      I would like to apply for a climate grant to study this effect seemingly annual occurrence which peaks around April with mass haulouts of college students apparently acting in mating frenzies.

  10. I believe this will force Canada to recognize that there is a difference between “climate” and “weather”.

    “I left because of Hurricane Terrible.”

    Oh, sorry, that was a weather event, the climate regarding hurricanes is that they aren’t becoming worse.

    “But, but… a tornado!”

    Nope, weather event. Nice try though.

    /grin

  11. There was a small cloud in what was a beautiful sunny morning here in southern alberta…..it was catastrophic….by Nov, i’m leaving Canada for the USA and promise to not come back until April.

  12. The climate alarmists assert that the minimum projected global warming is about 2 degrees C (about 4 deg-F) over the next 100 years, and that it could be the end of civilization as we know it.

    Well, based on scientifically-measured mean average annual temperature differences between the Earth’s poles and its equator, a 2 degrees C average warming of Earth’s atmosphere and land surfaces would be equivalent to moving about 260 miles south in the northern hemisphere (and about 175 miles north in the southern hemisphere), or moving about 1000 feet lower in elevation in either hemisphere based on the standard atmospheric adiabatic lapse rate.
    So, does the climate, types of shelter, farming of crops and animals, difficulty of obtaining water and power, and overall quality of life change so much over such short distances (~220 miles north/south), or 1000 feet in elevation? I think not . . . and this is among the best possible examples of how a 2 deg C global average temperature swing might actually affect life on Earth.
    Climate refugees . . . what climate refugees???

    (However, it is a pubic-consumption pretext for calling for all developed countries to fully open their borders for immigrants.)

    • “Climate refugees . . . what climate refugees???”

      There are no CAGW (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming) refugees. It’s all a con.

    • Gordon,
      While I commend the simplicity of your logic and its validity, can I ask you not to post those revelations on any Scottish web site. The number of Scots already leaving Scotland because of its political change, would be added to and in such numbers, those of us in the south of the island of Great Britain would be overwhelmed by kilts and sporrans. We try not to let our Scottish cousins know the much talked about global warming is a cruel joke, designed to keep them up there in midge country believing if they stay long enough things will get warmer and less midgey……eventually.
      On a slightly more concerning level. I believe Canada signed up to the UN compact on facilitating world migration (as did the UK and the whole of the EU). Under that directive no one is allowed to be turned away if they arrive in Canada whether a climate refugee or any other reason, real or not.

  13. A local politician recently informed us that our Region is a target for immigration as the locals are too stupid to train in skilled occupations. Judging from the numbers of Canadians who are afraid of the concept of being warmer, she may be correct. More importantly, Canadians have been so successful at controlling our population that it appears that we need more fecund strains here to maintain perpetual growth and cheap labour. The PC dream seems to include a chapter on all spaces of the world eqally sharing in high population densities and poor standards of living. When we were being indoctrinated on the benefits of birth control I seem to have missed the part that explained that a primary goal was to limit the population growth of some groups so they could be replaced by those who didn’t. Funny thing about natural selection, it doesn’t distinguish between abortion and baby eating tigers.

  14. “Even by the most alarmist predictions Canada’s climate will warm by only a fraction of a degree”

    Really?

    Haven’t all the politicians, gang greens, and “scientists” said the northern areas will warm up the most?

    Maybe it’s all starting to unravel. 🙂

    But I was counting on a longer growing season in Canada! And having a longer golfing season. 🙂

  15. Canada can be relied on to embrace all the latest woke drivel, but it’s mostly just talk. We’ re pretty hard headed about letting people settle in here. And we expect them to embrace our values (unlike many other open-door countries, or even the US).

    If things do warm up, we’ll have plenty of room for whoever wants to come here.

    • I wonder if those could be labeled as political refugees, since the political situation is what is causing the economic situation. The climate will remain unaffected.

      • That’s the rationalization the left uses to justify economic refugees as having a valid asylum claim. Of course, there are billions of people in the world who would qualify as economic refugees as the result of domestic political malfeasance and to allow them all to immigrate to the US will turn our country into the same kind of shit hole these refugees are fleeing from.

  16. I predict more Trump Derangement Syndrom “refugees” moving from the US to Canada than climate refugees.
    Birds of a feather…

  17. **Even by the most alarmist predictions, Canada’s climate would only increase by a fraction of a degree over the next few decades, making the above scenario far-fetched in this century.**
    that depends on who you believe.
    The “Prairie Climate Centre” in Manitoba is predicting (more like assuring) that Canada will be several degrees warmer (like Texas) by the end of the century.
    They are using IPCC worst case scenario RCP./
    So maybe Canadians will have to flee.

  18. “As the fear of climate change reaches hysteric levels, the government and media are suggesting that Canadians must accept “climate refugees” in the future.”

    Well, it all depends on how one defines “climate” doesn’t it?

    If there is a “climate of fear” then some pretty broad interpretations can be made. How about a “climate of uncertainty”? That is a pretty good excuse for immigration to the Great White North [GWN].

    ++++++

    If you were not aware, GWN is a real First Nations word, like “CND”.

    When the first European explorers reached what is now termed the GWN, they asked the people they met on the ground, “By what name do you call this marvellous and well-watered land that stretches from great ocean to great ocean?”

    The locals first replied, “How’s it going, eh?” (a traditional greeting) and continued, “Well, we call it CND, eh?”

    The Brit (he was a Brit) was not sure how to spell it so he asked, “And how is this name spelt, good sir?”

    And the reply came, “Well, first you start with a “C” eh, then you write “N” eh, then you write “D” eh?”

    The Brit dutifully recorded the letters with his quill are sent the message in his next dispatch to England that he had discovered CaNaDa.

    And that’s a true story.

  19. I suspect the Obama’s will be one of the first arrivals when their home on Martha’s Vineyard is inundated by the rising seas.

  20. Every spring, there is a surge of climate refugees into Canada from the US. We call them “snowbirds”.

    Of course, every fall, we have the reverse flow…

    • It’s an annual migration pattern. They learned by following the geese, but flew a bit farther south since the airfare was cheap, and didn’t want to stay near Chesapeake Bay close Washington DC.

      Why do Canada geese fly south for the winter? It’s too far to walk.
      Why do snowbirds fly south for the winter? Because they can.

  21. It seems to me that all the climate alarmists in Canada should immediately move to the Northwest Territories to make room for the influx of refugees. They can turn the land into a new garden of Eden. This should also lower their carbon footprint as they certainly wouldn’t need any modern conveniences like cars and electricity.

  22. For years climate refugees in the northern U.S. have been fleeing to the southern U.S. Where is the news coverage of THAT?

  23. Wonder why? People are still moving south as climate refugees, heading for the sun belt from the frost and rust belt.
    What makes them think that people will head further north than where they moved from to head south if things warm up a bit more?

    • And the map has not only disappeared from the UN web site, the link to the map on Goggle cache in the Spiegel article returns a 404 error. Is it possible that Goggle decided we shouldn’t see that map?

  24. Politics is the damnedest thing.

    It flies entirely by the power of oft-repeated falsehoods, I think. Barely clothed in the rags of cherry-picked suppositions from authorities. And every rotten ‘card’ upon which the castle-of-public-policy is erected depends on the even more rotten cards below it. FICTION!

    Thing is, to this “old goat”, I was either alive (and remember) or read upon times even older than my 1960s coming-to-adulthood, when the point of hard science, hard math, hard engineering and blastproof reasoning in the pölïtical sphere was to out all nutjob opinions and dismiss them at hand. Loudly, quickly, dispassionately.

    To me now, it seesm that the nutjobs are running the institutions of government and public opinion. They dream of, studiously synthesize recipes for, concoct and DRINK the koolaide … and rendered loony offer ladle fulls to everyone gawking at their whimsy, to take the potion, and reveal the “truths” they’ve been missing.
    ________________________________________

    So now we have Canada being prepared to admit climate refugees for a climate crisis which as of waning 2019, has yet to materialize. Anywhere. Including the Seychelles, once held out as the poster child of sea-level demise.

    Well I say: let ’em have ’em.

    Seriously.

    It’d do the world good to have the dookey-birds of Supposed Climate Terror come to roost in ol’ Canada. She has plenty of land, plenty of oily wealth (how ironic, in context). She has a few tens of millions of almost universally hard-working folk who love their homeland, and who will fight tooth-to-nail to ensure that her values aren’t degraded. So, the dookey-birds will have to live up to the realities of a country whose LOWEST latitude is above 50° North. Where winter unofficially starts in mid October, and doesn’t show relief until mid-May. Where nominal January temperatures regularly fall below –20°C. Sure! Let ’em have at it!

    Just saying,
    GoatGuy ✓

    • 50 degrees north?? Well, most of it, yeah, but Point Pelee (the southern-most tip of Canada) is 20 miles south of California’s northern border.

      On top of that about 85% of Canadians live within 150 miles of the USA border.

      • Support the fight against the (recently re-threatened) Pickering Airport! See LandOverLandings and support them if you can.

        https://landoverlandings.com/
        “Because food is a growing concern”

        Back in the day it was People or Planes. Sometimes governments just don’t give up. The blocking of a second airport for Toronto is the first time in Canadian history that citizens stopped an announced infrastructure plan. Montreal had Mirabel and Toronto “needed” a second airport too. Forty years later North Pickering is still holding onto its farmland and Montreal is still stuck with Mirabel.

    • Point Pelee is the farthest south point of the Canadian mainland at 41.96 degrees north. When you drive through the tunnel from Detroit to Windsor you are actually heading south. I don’t think southern Ontario has enough room for all the climate refugees, there are too many cottages.

      • Really!! Then PDX (where I live) is over 275 miles further north! But the weather here is a lot nicer.

  25. I worry about global warming about as much as I worry about….well I don’t worry about it 1 iota and I am much healthier because of it.

  26. At least the people who purchased snake oil did it in hopes of curing real ailments. Hadacol for instance advertised as a vitamin supplement had 12 percent alcohol printed on the label as a preservative. There can be no doubt the preservative was the main selling point.

  27. The long term history of movement of peoples that paleogenetics is beginning to unravel leads to one conclusion: human groups survive if they can control their borders. Those who cannot are doomed to wash out of the gene pool.

  28. Ever notice how Dems support refugees and illegal immigration for political gain then turn-around and portray them as a negative effect of climate change?

  29. It’s about time! They’ve sent tens of thousands of “Climate Refuges” to the US and Mexico for decades during the winter where they are known simply known as “Snow Birds.” Now Canada needs to relax their strict immigration policies and let those from he southern states and Mexico flee to Canada for the summer. It’s only fair. We just need to figure out a name for them…

  30. The issue is not climate refuges. Ignoring the fact that the warming period is over.

    Liberals live in an echo bubble where they repeat stupid things and then quote each other or poll people to see if they believe the stupid thing.

    Liberals cannot handle the truth, so they perpetuating chaos where we cannot even talk about problems like caring adults.

    Reasons for African refugees for example?

    What are the top five reasons for Africa’s failure to industrialize?

    These are corrupt countries that internally steal the money required to build roads, cannot maintain law and order as the police are corrupt and so is the legal system, cannot supply reliable electricity as everyone steals electricity so there is no money for fuel and power generation, and so on.

    The Economist Nigerian example of why there is no reliable electricity in Africa.

    The Nigerian Army is like a country within a country. The Nigerian Army did not pay their electrical bill. The African electrical utility after multiple warning cut power to the military. The African army, responded by kidnaping a top executive and his wife from the African utility. They rape and kill his wife and torture the man. He is no longer able to work and the electricity is turned back.

    There are 1.2 billion people in Africa and Africa has the highest birth rate in the world and job creation is not keeping up with population growth.

    https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/august-2016/why-has-africa-failed-industrialize

    Why has Africa failed to industrialize?

    At no point in recent history have calls for Africa to industrialize been stronger than they have been lately. Across the continent, industrialization is arguably the most talked about subject among policymakers. So why has action on the ground failed to move the needle on this important development marker?

    Industrialization has been a campaign promise across the African continent, with its acknowledged ability to bring prosperity, new jobs and better incomes for all. Yet the continent is less industrialized today than it was four decades ago. In fact, the contribution of Africa’s manufacturing sector to the continent’s gross domestic product actually declined from 12% in 1980 to 11% in 2013, where it has remained stagnant over the past few years, according to the UN Economic Commission for Africa (ECA).

    The Economist Intelligence Unit, a British business research group, reckons that Africa accounted for more than 3% of global manufacturing output in the 1970s, but this percentage has since halved. It warns that Africa’s manufacturing industry is likely to remain small throughout the remainder of this decade.

  31. Humorous on 2 levels:

    1. How many people from Canada or the Northern US move or become Migratory Humans and travel or retire to Florida or Arizona.

    and

    2. When the real historical 80 percent of the the time ‘normal’ climate returns, most of Canada will be under a mile of ice. So the whole direction of the migration and the thought rising temps vs the reality of lowering temps are bassackwards.

  32. The most likely climate refugees are going to be Canadians, when this inter-glacial ends. At least we already have a hockey team in Arizona.

  33. Soon I’ll be starting planting on my hundred hectares palm oil plantation located along the airport runway, on the northern shore of the Great Slave Lake (plantation is named after the lake too, GSP for short); not politically correct I know, but with lot of CO2 from aircraft taking-off acceleration and reverse trust on landing, with expecting tropical climate just around the corner, what’s not to like? /sc

  34. I live on the West Coast of Florida. I can’t begin to try to count the number of new “refugees” coming from the Great White North, either buying, or renting.

    They rarely come dressed in Bollywood clothes, like their leader, Justin the Pajama Boy, so you can only tell who they are by their license plates.

  35. One of the craziest arguments I ever heard from a friend came when she was furious at Wisconsin Gov Walker for cancelling the rail line between Milwaukee and Madison. She said that rail line was desperately needed because climate change will make the south uninhabitable, so everyone will move north and they’ll need transportation!

  36. Yeah but we’re already going to take these guys in (probably, its an election year and Socks Zoolander is desperate):

    https://www.680news.com/2019/09/05/palestinians-refugees-lebanon-asylum-canada/

    And like most refugees, they’ll probably get a Canadian passport and benefits, then head back home until the #@$% hits the fan again…then demand that we rescue them.

    Hey, it happened before:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadians_of_convenience

  37. The “Climate Refugees” have nothing to do with climate and everything to do with Replacement Migration.

  38. Could somebody please explain to me, why will “climate refugees” want to go to Canada?

    Canada (and Russia) are the countries with the MOST global warming since 1880.

    ====================

    The competition to see which country has warmed the most since 1880, was a close one.

    Canada led the field by a BIG margin, for over 135 years.

    But Canada’s performance faded in the last 15 years, and Russia won by a nose.

    Russia ended up with 2.7 degrees Celsius of global warming since 1880.

    And Canada ended up in second place, with 2.6 degrees Celsius of global warming since 1880.

    How did your country or region perform in the race?

    There is only one way to find out. Click on this link:
    https://agree-to-disagree.com/global-warming-by-country-and-region

    Please note – the judges decision is final (unless GISTEMP adjusts the temperatures again).

  39. So just a few short months ago the enlightened Minister of the Environment (and Climate Doom) Catherine McKenna declared a “””Climate Emergency””” in Canada, so why would a Climate Refugeee move from his ‘Climate Emergency’ to our Canadian ‘Climate Emergency?’ Me thinks that’s a bit silly!!!!

  40. President Trump, I’ve just figured out a solution to our illegal alien crisis – ship them all up to Canada and have them say the’re climate refugees.

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