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I promise not to do this to Greenland! pic.twitter.com/03DdyVU6HA
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 20, 2019
No Joke: Trump Really Does Want To Buy Greenland
August 19, 2019President Trump on Sunday confirmed that his administration has discussed buying Greenland from Denmark, comparing the idea to “a large real estate deal” and suggesting the island would be of strategic value to the United States.
Speaking to reporters, the president confirmed reports that first appeared on Thursday in The Wall Street Journal that he had asked administration officials to look into the possibility of purchasing the self-governing Danish territory.
“It’s just something we’ve talked about,” he said. “Denmark essentially owns it. We’re very good allies with Denmark. We’ve protected Denmark like we protect large portions of the world, so the concept came up.”
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Earlier Sunday, White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow told Fox News that the president had discussed the subject with his advisers.
“I don’t want to predict an outcome, I’m just saying the president — who knows a thing or two about buying real estate — wants to take a look at a Greenland purchase.”
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Scott Neuman, NPR
While it’s impossible to determine if President Trump is serious about trying to pull off a “Greenland purchase,” the media meltdown has been hysterical!
Vox
The truth is that though it sounds kind of silly, it makes perfect sense if you happen to share Trump’s indifference to environmental issues and indigenous rights.
Greenland is believed to contain a lot of natural resource wealth that is difficult to exploit due to the large amounts of ice and permafrost in the way.
But the planet is getting warmer. A vision of American public policy that is neither interested in halting the warming process nor concerned about the environmental impact of exploring the resources would naturally want to acquire such a potentially rich land. Many Americans, of course, do not share that policy philosophy, but it is very much the Trump worldview.
Matthew Yglesias, Vox
The Grauniad
Greenland, and more specifically its purchase by the US, is being actively discussed in Donald Trump’s Oval Office. But what exactly is it that makes one of the world’s most desolate places such an attractive proposition?
For the president, it is the real estate deal of a lifetime, one that would secure a land mass a quarter the size of the US and cement his place in US history alongside President Andrew Johnson, who bought Alaska from Russia in 1867, and Thomas Jefferson, who secured Louisiana from the French in 1803.
Phillip Inman, The Grauniad
CNN
1. Why?
It makes sense to get the big one out of the way first, right? Why would the US President want to purchase an island that is 80% covered by an ice sheet and where less than 60,000 people actually live? Trump himself hasn’t said — yet — but there are a few obvious reasons.The first is because Greenland is widely believed to be hugely rich in natural resources — including iron ore, lead, zinc, diamonds, gold, rare earth elements, uranium and oil. And much of it is currently untapped, due to the fact that, well, 80% of the country is covered by an ice sheet. But due to global warming, that ice sheet is melting rapidly — this summer NASA scientists observed two of the largest melts in the history of Greenland — and that erosion of the ice sheet is expected to make the mining of Greenland’s natural resources more doable.
The second is for geopolitical reasons. The United States already has a foothold in the country — Thule Air Base — and, as The Wall Street Journal, which broke the Greenland purchase story, notes:
“Located 750 miles north of the Arctic Circle, it includes a radar station that is part of a U.S. ballistic missile early-warning system. The base is also used by the U.S. Air Force Space Command and the North American Aerospace Defense Command.”
Third, Trump is a man very interested in his legacy in office. Buying Greenland would be a major bullet point on his presidential resume.
Chris Cillizza, CNN
The Washington Post
Trump’s musings over Greenland are part of his larger tendency to see territory as a tradable commodity, particularly in dealing with the Middle East. During the 2016 Republican presidential primary debates, candidate Marco Rubio chastised candidate Trump for treating Palestinian aspirations for statehood as a “real estate deal.” Jared Kushner’s plan for Middle East peace relies on territorial exchanges between the Palestinians, Jordan and Egypt. Trump’s March tweet recognizing Israel’s control over the Golan paid little attention to the symbolic claims at stake.
This is a dangerous approach to territorial conflict. As recent events in Kashmir make clear, nations are still prepared to shed blood and treasure to secure national claims. Understanding the symbolic value of territory is key to managing this and any future territorial disputes.
In other words, Trump’s real estate approach to Greenland may be the tip of the melting iceberg.
Stacie E. Goddard is a professor of political science and faculty director of the Madeleine K. Albright Institute of Global Affairs at Wellesley College. She is the author of “When Right Makes Might: Rising Powers and World Order.” Washington Post
Summary
In essence, the media and academia think that President Trump wants to buy Greenland because he:
- Hates the environment.
- Hates indigenous people.
- Wants to unfairly take advantage of climate change in his quest for American Energy Dominance.
- Views real estate as if it was a tradable commodity.
- Actually wants to put American interests ahead of every other nation’s.
Items #1 and #2 are lies and the next three are simply logical.
The Economics of the Greenland Purchase
Greenland is rich in natural resources.


However, a lack of infrastructure, harsh operating conditions and lack of a large skilled work force make development very challenging.
The 2008 USGS Circum-Arctic Resource Appraisal estimated that Greenland’s oil & gas potential to be nearly 50 billion barrels of oil equivalent.

At current market prices, the oil & gas resources could be worth over $1.6 trillion.

Of course the cost of developing those resources would be huge, the actual recoverable oil & gas could be much more or much less than the resource potential and it would take 10-20 years to achieve meaningful production rates.
One estimate puts the purchase price at a bit over $500 billion.
While it is difficult to find comparable sections of the United States that could be used to create a valuation, the closest are in the Mountain States, where mineral and oil deposits have been only partially exploited, and then apply a discount for the Greenland risk of lack of exploration.
Any analysis has to rule out North Dakota because of the established value of shale. Wyoming has no established mineral or oil deposits of similar size to North Dakota’s. 24/7 Wall St. has estimated the value of Wyoming’s land is $97 billion. Wyoming covers 98,000 square miles. Based on it landmass, Greenland would be worth 5.5 times Wyoming’s worth, or $533 billion. That would make the amount almost the size of America’s annual military budget.
USA Today
Greenland is probably worth $533 billion, if it was for sale.
Seward’s Folly
Signing of the Alaska Treaty, 1867
Russia offered to sell Alaska to the United States in 1859, believing the United States would off-set the designs of Russia’s greatest rival in the Pacific, Great Britain. The looming U.S. Civil War delayed the sale, but after the war, Secretary of State William Seward quickly took up a renewed Russian offer and on March 30, 1867, agreed to a proposal from Russian Minister in Washington, Edouard de Stoeckl, to purchase Alaska for $7.2 million. The Senate approved the treaty of purchase on April 9; President Andrew Johnson signed the treaty on May 28, and Alaska was formally transferred to the United States on October 18, 1867. This purchase ended Russia’s presence in North America and ensured U.S. access to the Pacific northern rim.For three decades after its purchase the United States paid little attention to Alaska, which was governed under military, naval, or Treasury rule or, at times, no visible rule at all. Seeking a way to impose U.S. mining laws, the United States constituted a civil government in 1884. Skeptics had dubbed the purchase of Alaska “Seward’s Folly,” but the former Secretary of State was vindicated when a major gold deposit was discovered in the Yukon in 1896, and Alaska became the gateway to the Klondike gold fields. The strategic importance of Alaska was finally recognized in World War II. Alaska became a state on January 3, 1959.
US Department of State
Based on the historical inflation rate, $7.2 million in 1867 is worth about $125 million today. Invested at 3% compound interest, it would be worth about $644 million.
From 1981-2018, 15.7 billion bbl of crude oil were produced from Alaska North Slope oil fields at an average sales price of $24.58/bbl. That’s $386 billion in gross revenue.
If you think Seward’s Folly was a bargain… We could have had Greenland on the cheap…
American Imperialists Have Always Dreamed of Greenland
Trump’s reported hopes of buying the Danish island exemplify his 19th-century values.
BY PAUL MUSGRAVE | AUGUST 16, 2019, 12:17 PM
From his love of tariffs to his racial view of the world, Donald Trump is the nineteenth-century president America never had. Yesterday, the Wall Street Journal offered another piece of evidence suggesting that the 45th president is a man out of time: the president, it turns out, has frequently mused aloud about buying Greenland from Denmark. (Greenland, although largely self-governing, is alongside Denmark and the Faroe Islands one of the three constituent countries of the Kingdom of Denmark.)Like Trump’s racism and trade policies, there’s a precedent for American officials trying to buy territory. Most Americans know, vaguely, that the United States acquired much of its territory by buying it. Some acquisitions, like the Louisiana Purchase, are well enough known to be the subject of TV ads. Others are more obscure, like when Secretary of War Jefferson Davis and other Southerners pressed for the purchase of enough of northern Mexico to support the construction of a Southern transcontinental railway.
In fact, buying Greenland has been tried seriously twice. But the changes in international relations since then make it a far worse idea than it was at the time.
The first time came during the administration of President Andrew Johnson. William Seward, a Lincoln holdover, used Johnson’s distraction over Reconstruction to pursue his longstanding goals of territorial expansion.
Seward made bids of varying intensity to wrest Canada from the British Empire and to buy or lease a naval base in the Caribbean. His buccaneering policy finally paid off with the Alaska Purchase, when the Russian Empire, seeking to divest itself of some underperforming assets, finally succeeded in persuading Seward to buy Russian North America. But it also included an attempt to buy Greenland and Iceland from Denmark, which then owned both.
Robert J. Walker, a former treasury secretary and influence-peddler in the mid-nineteenth century, learned that Denmark might be induced to sell the islands in 1867 as he negotiated the purchase of Denmark’s Caribbean colonies in the West Indies. Seward leapt at the chance and commissioned Walker to produce a gushing report on the resources of Greenland and Iceland.
Walker’s covering note to the report marveled at how buying the two islands could lead the United States to greatness. Although he admitted that basically nothing of Greenland’s north or interior was known, it nevertheless pounded what facts it could master, such as that Greenland was “the largest island in the world” and that it possessed “whale fisheries…of the value of $400,000.”
Seward’s hopes that the United States could make a bid for the islands came to naught when his deal to buy the Danish West Indies failed in the Senate, even though the treaty for purchasing them had been ratified by both the Danish parliament and a plebiscite in the islands. (They would be purchased fifty years later and became the US Virgin Islands.)
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Foreign Policy
American Imperialists???
Paul Musgrave is an assistant professor of government at the University of Massachusetts Amherst and an expert in American foreign policy matters. He teaches courses in international relations theory, history and international relations, energy politics, U.S. foreign policy, and politics and science fiction.[1]
Wikipedia
Never had a real job. That explains the snot-nosed tone and “American Imperialists” horst schist.
A business man would have honed in on this:
Walker’s covering note to the report marveled at how buying the two islands could lead the United States to greatness. Although he admitted that basically nothing of Greenland’s north or interior was known, it nevertheless pounded what facts it could master, such as that Greenland was “the largest island in the world” and that it possessed “whale fisheries…of the value of $400,000.”
We could’ve had Greenland in 1867 for less than Joe Namath’s starting salary with the New York Jets in 1965.

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What I note about Dr. Jordan Peterson, a being for each individual is now not completely identifiable because influences outside the
control of humankind are derived outside human consciousness; this is not easy to comprehend or accept, although, the premise is
directly in line with psychoanalytic thought in its deeper unconscious (human) properties, whatever those properties (unconscious)
may be… if you review, Jordan Peterson Explains Psychoanalytic Theory, 5:00… you begin to understand.
Postmodernism and identity politics
https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Jordan_Peterson
Look! Unimaginably, we should not buy Greenland; instead, we should trade Wyoming for a part of Greenland… the idiot [P(-murt) ~.~ maybe Ann Coulter was right] doesn’t know the truth about this negotiation… the need is for the type integration by this form of governing new populace in our.digital intelligence age. (Simply Amaxxing!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evjMjpd4PNM
Also, should we find out if Greenlander4 loves this Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is an interesting item about buyng Greenland:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/tom-cotton-greenland-denmark/2019/08/22/id/929621/
“Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., revealed he had suggested to President Donald Trump months ago that the U.S. consider buying Greenland.
Cotton said he even met with the Danish ambassador to talk about a potential sale.”
end excerpt
So Trump throws out an offer, and the Danish leader snarls an “absurd! back. Apparently, this desire to buy Greenland was not a surprise to at least some in the Danish government.
Anyway, the Danish leader took her turn at taking a political shot at Trump, and got slapped down for her efforts.
Senator Tom Cotton would make a good future president for the United States. Perhaps a Pence/Cotton ticket in 2024 and then a Cotton/Unkown ticket in 2032. 🙂
There are several young conservatives that are making a case for their being Cotton’s running mate. I wouldn’t want to single one of them out now. Let’s see how they do in the future. But I would be very confident in having Cotton at the helm.
Haley/Cotton in 2024.
At first I was drawing a blank when you suggested Haley, and then it dawned on me: Nicky Haley!
I would have a lot of confidence in Nicky Haley, too. She sees the world situation clearly, imo. Like Trump and Cotton.
Pence is senior to Nikki Haley, but she is senior to Cotton. The GOP seems to respect seniority.
So maybe Pence/Haley, the Haley/Cotton. Cotton however is best suited to serve as CinC, the main presidential function, despite his lack of seniority.
Maybe Haley/James in 2024 should another veteran join the senate.
Would be good to have a Midwesterner on the ticket. If not Pence, then those with military service, such as James or Ernst.
James however is only 38, four years younger than Cotton, but older than his neighbor B-boy from IN.
In 1946, Harry Truman offered the Danes $100 million in gold for Greenland. Obviously, they said no.
The reason the media have been covering this thing (it’s not a meltdown when the media covers something stupid/insane/ignorant that #OneTermTrump does or says – it’s normal, and happens almost every day) is because he’s an odious, immature coiffured buffoon that sees the world as spoil, and the vast majority can see him for what he is. Trying to retcon his actions and pronouncements as if it’s all part of a carefully thought-out strategy is laughable. The days are ticking by… 515 days and counting…
https://howlonguntiltrumpleaves.com/
Can you say “TDS”?
It’s amazing how blind to reality some people can be. The truth is out there, but they can’t seem to find it.
I have a feeling people like Adrian are going to be very disappointed come Nov. 2020.
The speculation as to Trump’s motives is silly, he wants to buy Greenland because He Is The Chosen One, and he said so.
“he wants to buy Greenland because He Is The Chosen One, and he said so.”
I saw Trump look to the sky, and you know he is smiling to himself as he looks up knowing how may Democrat heads are going to be exploding over what he said! Trump is the master troll of the Left! He knows they are going to blow anything he says out of proportion so occasionally he gives them some help and then laughs at them when they take the bait.
TDS is epidemic among the Left. They really are suffering a mental illness. A version of mass hysteria exascerbated by our mass communications world, and the nefarious purposes to which it is put to use such as propagating lies, half-truths, distortions and confusion to the general public in an effort to win political power and keep political power.
TDS. Trump sure has it alright. What on earth is he doing picking a trade war with China? He seems to be the only one who doesn’t understand that everyone loses in a trade war. It is just a question of how much. Sure the Chinese may loose more in the end but so will the farmers and consumers in the US
Donald Trump has this unfathomable idea that winning beats losing, kicking @ur momisugly$$ beats getting kicked in the @ur momisugly$$ and only a fracking moronic Marxist d!ckhead like Barrack Hussein Maobama would strategically go for a tie at any and every given opportunity.
Investors in the stock market vote with their money. Trump is getting kicked in the @ur momisugly$$ by the stock market with his moronic trade war with China.
And what is with this “chosen one” BS? He’s not the messiah on any level. He is loosing it. Seriously as he drops in the polls he is doing crazy stuff and I for one am worried he is going to do something really stupid.
Make America Grow Again!
The Inuit and Inupiat parts of Canada might want to unite with their kin in AK and Greenland if we can persuade Greenlanders to join the US.
https://www.itk.ca/maps-of-inuit-nunangat/
Doubt that Putin would let Siberian Yupiks join up, however.
The backstory to this is that President Trump had very good reasons for considering buying Greenland. Greenland was pursuing infrastructure loans from China that would have come with a catch.
Iceland: Money from China
https://pulitzercenter.org/reporting/iceland-money-china
President Trump rightfully wants to prevent China from getting a foothold in the Atlantic.
As African and Asian states are discovering, loans from China buy you a room in Hotel California.
Why buy an island that is supposed to be just a melting away ?
AOC and Prince Chuck claim everything is hooped in less than 12 years any way
unless of course we return to be cave dwellers . Will prince Chuck give up his castles I
wonder ? Might need those big walls to keep out the millions starving in the UK .
But at least everyone can feel pretentious about saving the planet .
Mexico may be a better buy anyways . Just offer everyone free USA citizenship and the place will empty .
Sorry, my above comments about China making loans to Greenland included a link to China Making Loans to Iceland. It looks like they are after both Countries. Here is the Link to China Loans to Greenland.
How the Pentagon Countered China’s Designs on Greenland
Washington urged Denmark to finance airports that Chinese aimed to build on North America’s doorstep
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-pentagon-countered-chinas-designs-on-greenland-11549812296
I can’t imagine what use Trump could possibly expect to get out of Greenland. But if he wants it badly enough, he should be willing to name an amount that the present owners would accept.
“Musgrave … teaches courses in international relations theory, history and international relations, energy politics, U.S. foreign policy, and politics and SCIENCE FICTION.” Emphasis added.
I wonder if the fiction he teaches is drifting over into other areas of “expertise.”
As a citizen of Denmark, I am deeply saddened by my prime minister’s speedy refusal of President Trump’s generous offer of buying Greenland. Greenland is a self-governing Danish territory, and although selling is might be difficult for legal reasons (For instance because of the UN treaty guaranteeing the rights of indigious people), if would be possible – if all else fails, Denmark could opt out of said treaty.
Greenland creates a yearly deficit in the Danish state budget, which must be filled out by tax payers from “south Denmark”, and it is debateable whether the beautiful scenery in summer, or the increase in national pride added by the possession of the world’s largest island, is worth all those expenses.
So, if the US were willing to buy the island, we would not only be freed of the yearly benefit, we would also get a HUGE one-time payment, which could be used for many useful things.
Personally, though, I am more inclined to propose a land swap: The US gets Greenland, and we get California, or alternatively Texas. Those areas are far smaller, and will soon become inhabitably due to global warming, while Greenland will soon have a nice, temperate climate. Any takers?
Trump has been a hyooge boon to Greenlandish tourism:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/travel-interest-in-greenland-surges-after-president-trumps-proposal-to-buy-it-140039542.html