Lately, some op-eds have been questioning whether Greta Thunberg is simply a mindless puppet.
” WITH cold, hard eyes, Greta Thunberg jabs a finger forward – like Lord Kitchener in the famous “Your country needs you” wartime posters. “
The Sun featured this GQ cover, and the parallel to the famous end scene of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” immediately jumped out at me.
In the Sun article they say:
And Greta began to pressure her family to change their lifestyles.
Svante, 50, and Malena turned vegan and bought an electric car, and in 2016 Greta convinced her mother to stop flying, which impacted her singing career.
Malena went on to back the “flight-shaming” movement that started in Sweden a year later.
Even some normally over the top climate scientists are starting to doubt her.
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I see CO2!! Just change the word…
I exhale CO2 therefore I am alive, I think I am.
If only someone had told Descartes!
I breathe therefore I am.
Much more scientific than “I think therefore I am”.
Unlike thinking, breathing is verifiable.
to “I see CO2”
RD would have replied, “In my dreams I can see the same things that lunatics see when wide awake”.
Neither falsifiable.
Calling Greta Thunberg, the village idiot, a puppet, is giving puppets a bad name…not to mention village idiots.
So much sneering. This is exactly the treatment the Vietnam protestors received.
“Greta began to pressure her family to change their lifestyles.”
So did she pressure them or is she their puppet? Who cares when its so much fun to sneer.
Loydo this isnt sneering matey
its ridicule
richly deserved I might add;-))))
Loydo is such a pure hypocrite – this is coming from a guy who needs his own special, sneering font.
Also – I notice Loydo-of-the-high-ground isn’t concerned with the treatment these ‘Viet Nam’ protestors afforded our soldiers.
Lyndon Johnson was the President during the Vietnam War. The Vietnam War Memorial was dedicated NOVEMBER 13, 1982, honoring 58,000 American troops who died. U.S. forces inflicted over a million enemy fatalities, essentially wiped out the Viet Cong as a fighting force during the TET Offensive debacle, yet involvement by politicians forfeited our victory. North Vietnamese colonel, Bui Tin, received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975.
Bui Tin explained how the protests by “anti-war peace demonstrators” (the most successful propaganda program ever operated by the Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc allies) was key to the Communist “victory”:
“Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement …
… Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses …
… We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and that she would struggle along with us.”
After the war, Bui Tin became vice chief editor of the Communist Party’s official newspaper in Vietnam, People’s Daily, but he grew disillusioned with Communist corruption and, in 1990, fled to Paris.
In an interview, Bui Tin stated:
“The roots of the Vietnam War – its all-encompassing and underlying nature – lie in a confrontation between two ideological worlds: socialism versus capitalism … totalitarianism versus democracy …
The conscience of America was part of its war-making capability, and we were turning that power in our favor. America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.”
Commenting on this dangerous trend is retired Major General Patrick Brady, considered the most decorated living veteran. Major General Patrick Brady wrote, June 4, 2013:
“The greatest danger … the feminization, emasculation and dismantling of our military.
The two most important elements of national survival are the media and the military …
We know the media are failing – God help us if the military does also ….
.. Let’s begin with Benghazi. It is incomprehensible that any commander, let alone the commander in chief, would go AWOL during a crisis such as Benghazi, but he was …
Unprecedented rates of suicide … Cut benefits to veterans … Quad-sexual military with all the health, readiness and moral issues that come with exalting sodomy … Sexual assault …
Women will be tasked to lead bayonet charges … Billions of defense dollars are unaccounted for … Christianity is under military attack, and Bibles have been burned to appease Muslims …
Just as the way forward for America is a return to the morality and values of the past, so too must the military return to the readiness standards and common sense of the past.”
Everything he said also applies to the war being waged against CIVILIZATION by the Green Gestapo. Don’t let the world repeat the mistake the USA did in giving away victory that is within our grasp as the CAGW Alarmism implodes before our eyes.
Joel Snider says:
I notice Loydo-of-the-high-ground isn’t concerned with the treatment these ‘Viet Nam’ protestors afforded our soldiers.
Exactly what I was thinking. I doubt Loydo has any understanding of the realities of that period. His pseudo-realities are only from his history-revised indoctrination.
‘His pseudo-realities are only from his history-revised indoctrination.’
Or his parents. Or more likely, grandparents.
Sneering on top of sneering, nice going.
Knee-jerk sneering too. Professionals
‘Sneering on top of sneering, nice going.’
Sniveling on top of sniveling. At least you’re consistent.
But please, start another fight, so you can cry when you get hit.
Twerp.
“Renee Descartes was a drunken fart, ‘I drink, therefore I am.'”
— Monty Python, “The Philosopher’s Song”
“I see CO2”
With my FTIR and methanizer FID.
I see CO2 when I buy dry ice. It’s weird stuff, too. Just oozes out of its container and rolls along the floor like a live thing seeking sustenance… and then… it vanishes like it was never there.
Spooky.
Sara:
I think you will find that what you are seeing is liquid water, condensed by the CO2. Water vapor is invisible. The liquid drops are not.
Clouds are similar . All you see are the water droplets.
This is probably why Greta probably thinks that what comes out of cooling towers is CO2.
The MSM journalists use this quirk to frighten us by bombarding us all with images of cooling towers at the top of their articles with the implication that the water clouds you see rising are satanic CO2 molecules.
Oh, Alasdair, I was make a joke. There is no water or water vapor involved.
Dry ice is frozen carbon dioxide. There is NO water involved. It sublimes into white vapor and vanishes like a traf in the wind. It is used to create fog in ice skating shows. I was in several of those at my skating rink. We used the fob machine a lot.
Alasdair is right. The fog produced by cooling the air around dry ice consists of visible condensed water droplets. The CO2 gas subkimated from the solid dry ice remains invisible to humans.
The absorption bands of carbon dioxide lie in the Near IR portion of the EM spectrum. Water vapor absorbs radiation in the Far IR, so we can’t see it either, until the molecules in the air condense into droplets, as in fog or clouds.
Cooling air with dry ice makes low fog. Tossing chunks of it into a warm swimming pool produces dramatic, violent bubbling and fog.
“I see dud people.”
Wait a minute! Climate crusaders NEED to use fossil fuels every day…to get the good word out to us little folks, so that we guilty little people stop using fossil fuels, for the good of the planet. Greta is still a HYPOCRITE, but it is very fashionable to preach it and another to do it, abstinence from fossil fuels.
“Svante, 50, and Malena turned vegan and bought an electric car, and in 2016 Greta convinced her mother to stop flying, which impacted her singing career.”
I guess she won’t be appearing in the Eurovision Song Contest then?
Sweden; Zero points!
Shame, that. I really want to hear her sing her version of …
Personally, I don’t feel that the denizens of our planet have been thereby deprived of sublime musical experience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WH2OwJeMBE
Mind you, she’s orders of magnitude more listenable than would be my caterwaulings except in a narrow range of mid-register traditional cowboy songs. And even then, dubious.
I can do about this well, but without the instrumental accompaniment, or maybe not quite so well:
Well if we are in the way of posting music videos, I have a question for Greta
Definitely NPCs.
No Pissy Carbon? No Putrid Crap? No Pussy Cats? No Public Comments? WHAT?
On another note Elton John has claimed he paid for the private jet that transported Prince Harry and family to the south of France, so the carbon emission somehow does not count. How does this work?
Non-playable character
Basically any character that can’t be interacted with in a video game.
Ron Long, “NPC” derives from characters in computer games. An NPC is a” non playable character” or “non player character”. While an NPC may appear similar to other characters operated by real humans within a game, it is essentially a computer-generated character with an extremely limited (and usually predictable) range of actions or responses.
This is what leads to the use of the term as an epithet to mock the predictable responses of many people, particularly SJWs. For example: In an on-line argument you may express the opinion that catastrophic anthropogenic global warming is exaggerated. The NPC character will then immediately accuse you of being in the pay of “big oil”. They are incapable of being reasoned with or producing more than a limited number of responses. Thus if you then say you voted for Trump, the SJW NPC will immediately call you a racist, a misogynist and a homophobe, but not be able to articulate any reasons why or further respond to your replies beyond issuing a few standard insults.
The term NPC has quickly gained widespread usage in this context because it appears so uncannily close to reality. You probably get the picture by now. I would go on, but using the above words has probably already put this post in moderation and I don’t want to give the mods unnecessary work.
“Ron Long, “NPC” derives from characters in computer games. ”
Actually it derives from pre-computer role-playing games like Dungeons and Dragons. There, NPC stands for ‘non-player character’, meaning controlled by the Dungeon Master.
Greta has tweeted from north of the Azores:
https://mobile.twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1163507642100310016
With Malizia II’s skipper and owner, Greta’s dad and cameraman. Don’t ask how they’re all getting themselves and the boat back to Europe.
I think we DO need to ask that question, because the MSM won’t.
Even on Twitter, people are asking.
Malizia II can be sailed solo, as during Vendee Globe circumnavigations, but more likely two crew from the Team will replace Boris and Pierre, who are flying back to Europe. Dunno how long the cameraman Nathan will stay with Svante and Greta.
So, that’s a minimum of four trans-Atlantic flights, and five if Natahn also flies back to Sweden.
Not to worry, some billionaire with pay some carbon guilt money and fly them back on his private jet.
They are all flying back including the present crew, the replacement crew is flying to the US to sail the boat back, with the CO2 flights footprint about 3 times that of Greta flying there and back.
Why is anyone taking any notice of a mentally ill teenager? #prayforhurricanes.
‘F**k you Greta’ bumper stickers appear on German cars.
YES!!! 😀
Personally I wouldn’t want to but then I am just picky about who I f…
Because #NoJudgment #NoLabels, and her patrons believe that her adventure is politically congruent (e.g. democratic leverage, corporate profits, secular incentives).
We should be taking note of that teenagers exploitive parents. It’s child abuse to do to a mentally ill child what they are doing to her. Of course, a child with an apparently tenous hold on reality is much more compliant than the average teenager. It’s horrible how she is being used.
Asperger’s isn’t a mental illness, It’s a form of Autism which also isn’t a mental illness but a disability. It can often manifest with childhood depression and agoraphobia which can be considered mental illnesses but Asperger”‘ itself isn’t.
This is a fascinating topic—the classification of various degrees of departure of the human condition from an idealized “normal” state into illness, disease, disorder, disability , eccentricity, and just being oneself. It reminds me of the current climate change debate and how far from normal the weather needs to go before somebody declares it catastrophic climate change. And the answer there is “not very far” in most cases.
And so I’d like to ask, is there a 97% consensus that Asberger Syndrome is not a mental illness or a disorder or a condition requiring medical or psychological treatment? And is there general agreement on whether it should be abbreviated as “Asberger” or “Asberger’s”? And finally, is the decision on whether to consider this disability as an illness or not driven by medical logic or by identity politics?
Well, she IS having a sort of commercial impact now, isn’t she??? (/sarc, in case no one can figure that out.)
She hobbled her mothers career, I wonder if she’ll hobble her own. So far Not!
I don’t know to what extent her mom was in demand beyond ferry and driving distance, however popular in Sweden.
But Greta promises to become a major profit center for family Thunberg.
She will lose her “charm” before long. Fads tend to wither and die, so yes, she might just hobble her own career, if you want to call it that. Give it time.
There’s tropical storm under development in the Atlantic now, and south of that, there appears to be another in a seminal stage. Let’s hope for a delay of sailboats crossing the Atlantic.
Oh, wait – that was so MEAN of me, wasn’t it? Well, safe passage for trans-oceanic passengers is always a good thought form, isn’t it?
Storm Chantal has formed, currently at about 41 N and 53 W.
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
Loydo, I didn’t realise that you were a climate sceptic.
You gotta get past that ‘fight’ part, don’t you, Loydo?
And here I thought you metrosexual types were ‘uncomfortable’ with ‘winning’.
Doubtlessly, the Swedish hotel and restaurant industry finds it more shameful to fly out of Sweden, than into Sweden.
love it….now they are trying to spin the spin
Greta’s a climate zombie. And all the fawning over her has turned her into a bully, plain and simple. She has no other tools at her disposal.
The National workers socialist party exploited kids too
So did Australian prime minister Kevin Rudd at the Copenhagen climate shindig in 2009 with his purported letter from “Little Gracie” aged six.
(come to think of it, could Greta actually be Little Gracie. The timeline works)?
I am not afraid of climate change, man-made or otherwise. We have been dealing with that for as long as we have been around. Today, we are more equipped than ever to adapt to those slow changes. But Greta on the front GQ magazine makes my skin crawl in terror!
And just think – that’s after being photo-shopped.
James Clarke
. . .
Greta on the front GQ magazine makes my skin crawl in terror!
There is no mob quite so terrifying as a self-righteous mob.
Child warrior.
I thought of the mind-controlling children in “Village of the Damned.”
She doesn’t have the glowing eyes and they were black and white! (Just watched that again last Saturday.)
How about “Children of the Corn”?
Twilight Zone.
In “Village of the Damned” the children demonstrate that they have the power to make aircraft crash out of the sky and cars to drive into walls. Spookily prescient.
Got a bit of an Omen vibe to the picture too.
Children of the Corn
And a touch of Chucky:
They had children crusades about 1000 years ago. So why not again now?
Both the French and German Children’s Crusades of AD 1212 ended badly.
Pierre Casiraghi’s dad Stefano was killed at age 30 in a speedboat accident, when Pierre was three. His mom Caroline, now Princess of Hanover, might not approve of the 31 year-old’s racing even sailboats. When Caroline was 25, her mom, actress-princess Grace Kelly, 52, was fatally injured in a traffic collision, apparently caused by a brain hemorrhage. The crash led to another hemorrhage in the hospital and her death.
Intriguing, I’d imagine the Throne of Hanover has been defunct since the Prussians expunged it sometime before the FrancoPrussian war. To still be claiming the title seems to indicate a high degree of Horse excrement. But hey, they do say that Birds of a Feather flock together 🙂
Yes, the title King of Hanover went belly up in 1866, but the Second Reich recognized Duke of Brunswick, IIRC. But that title too has been defunct since 1919 under the Weimar Republic.
However Monaco and to some extent Britain still recognize Caroline’s husband’s noble status. The Kingdom of Hanover got its own monarch when Victoria ascended the throne of the UK, since its Salic Law didn’t allow a queen. Caroline’s husband is in the male line of descent from the only one of Vicky’s many uncles who managed to produce a legitimate son.
Before the 1815 Congress of Vienna, Hanover had an elector rather than a king.
PS: If Britain had the Salic Law, Caroline’s husband would be King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
PS: However George I himself became king only through his recently deceased, 83 year-old mom Sophia, a Protestant granddaughter of James I of England and VI of Scotland.
Maybee we should nominate her for an Oscar?
Maybe. But I assume it’s an odds-on certainty that she’ll get a Nobel Prize for something or other. I suppose it can’t hurt that Sweden is the home of the Nobel Prize.
Greta won’t even need to have nearly murdered, as was the youngest co-Laureate:
Age 17 (1)
The Nobel Peace Prize 2014
Malala Yousafzai
“for their struggle against the suppression of children and young people and for the right of all children to education”
And Children of the Damned.
That finger reminded me of the Facebook crap put out by ISIS when they were lecturing and threatening the rest of the world with their perverted views of the world.
Greta Thunberg is like a cross between Pippi Longstockings and “Children of the Corn”.
(disclosure: plagiarized from another commentator)
With little moustache she would look like… Oh man she´s a mean looking b***h. Look out world!
Tintin?
Her loser artsy-fartsy parents named her Tintin? And they’re blaming her mental greentardation on climate change?
And her Incredulity of perceived inaction by adults, Childhood Depression, Seeing things that aren’t there to be seen (CO2), and missing school are also symptoms of Asperger’s Syndrome as well.
My daughter has also been affected by Asperger’s with many similar symptoms.
…and the poster child for global warming…is a 16yo….dressing and pretending to be a 10yo
fits
“Distant” relative of Arrhenius is an understatement. Lots of Swedes are closer, despite her dad’s given name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96XXBVrjWmo
Just more hagiography for St. Greta.
And of course, Arrhenius was wrong about climate sensitivity.
Doomsday Adams…
Hmmm, the NEW “Sieg Heil” salute?? And you MUST use the Left hand!
Curiouser and curiouser. Look at this morning’s track. It looks like they made straight for Lagens in the Azores then made a course change to get back on course for NY. I have not seen any updates about Greta’s whereabouts, have you?
https://www.windy.com/track-team-malizia-and-greta-on-their-journey-across-the-atlantic?40.547,-33.157,5
She recently tweeted from north of the Azores. If they actually put in at Lagens on Flores, it would strike me as odd. There is a lighthouse there, but it’s on the SE side of the island. If they needed something, why not land at Ponta Delgada at the northern tip?
Lajes does boast a larger commercial seaport.
Maybe the crew just wanted to bathe and eat real food, delivered to the island by fossil fuel-powered ships.
Yooper I think they are tacking to make the best headway with the winds …. they did a similar maneuver in the past days.
Is there a deep-water sailor who can explain their current track? They seem headed for Nova Scotia, or even further north.
They have favorable winds on that heading, but they’ll run out of them, then need to tack.
They have now run into headwinds and slowed to ten knots. They averaged overr 20 in the past 24 hours, when they had tail winds.
Staying north of Tropical Storm Chantal — good move.
https://www.foxnews.com/world/tropical-storm-chantal-hurricane-season-peak
Here’s the track link again:
https://www.windy.com/track-team-malizia-and-greta-on-their-journey-across-the-atlantic
Malizia is making only 4.4 kt at the moment.
Head downwind, not into the wind. Look for wind but not too much. Avoid big waves and storms.
Yooper’s link shows wind. Click on the Waves button too. That link also does wind predictions. They have done well so far, but there is a big front coming. You can try to predict what they will do based on the Windy information. And do they really care where they end up, as long as there is a train for Greta?
True. Any landfall on the North American mainland would work.
If there were time, she and her dad could even bicycle the rest of the way, racking up virtue signalling points.
Pierre T. could greet Pierre C.’s boat in Nova Scotia.
OTOH, off Nova Scotia, the generally SSE winds become more favorable for a run down to NYC.
Also still a chance they might encounter another cyclone:
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5
Odds are good that within five days the low off FL will organize into a storm and track NE along the Atlantic seaboard. Malizia might well reach NYC before the storm gets there however.
Tropical Storm Chantal is forming in the Atlantic. That may slow them down a bit.
With Greta hogging the press, please let me hijack the thread for a moment to bring your attention the on going voyage of Jean Socrates, who just celebrated her 77th birthday alone at sea (except for her radio friends) of the S/V Nereida… she is now on the final run in the North Pacific to become the oldest woman to sail solo nonstop unassisted around the world.
Captain Socrates’ voyage represents a vision of the practical kind of ‘sustainability’ that needs no empty jargon and false promises to promote it. Propelled by sail alone and not once making landfall or taking in supplies since October 2018… her voyage has also showcased the modern technology that has made such a thing possible. By no means frail herself… nevertheless she relies on her seaworthy hull, wind turbine, a small diesel generator and batteries, winches, a steering autopilot with GPS and weather-fax to plot her way. And manages to keep going and make constant repairs with gumption and style. Proof that our species is nowhere near reaching its ultimate boundaries of accomplishment, so long as we do not turn away from industrial progress or ruin our civilization with childish choices.
Sailing Log
https://www.svnereida.com/blog
Position Reports
https://cms.winlink.org:444/maps/positionreports.aspx?callsign=KC2IOV
QRZ Page
https://www.qrz.com/db?query=ve0js&cs=ve0js&sel=&cmd=Search&mode=callsign
She reminds me of Sir Francis Chicester. I read a book he wrote about solo sailing, when I was young, and was fascinated with the idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Chichester
That little girl is a tribute to indoctrination. In some ways what was done to her is a form of child abuse. She is a sad poignant reminder what lengths fanatics will go to in service to their cause.
I can’t fault Greta and her parents milking their 15 minutes of fame for all the money they can get, as well as pushing to stretch the 15 minutes out as long as they can.
I just wish her 15 minutes of fame wasn’t so annoying.
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When I was young, I was swayed by a few of the doomsday prophecies of the time. By my 30s, I was no longer buying what any doomsayers were selling. None of the prophecies of my younger years came true or were even remotely conceivable anymore. They were no longer even being mentioned. Some of us grow up and catch on to the pattern.
I’d be curious if in 14 years, when we’re 2 years past the ‘Earth will end’, Greta will hold fast to “The Earth will end any day now, just you wait and see.” She’ll be 30 then. My guess is that Greta won’t let go. She’s invested too much emotional capital into her worldview to just chuck it all. I’d be pleased to be wrong. We’ll just have to wait and see.
It’s annoying because it’s gone way beyond the alloted 15 minutes.
well gore ehrlich and the rest didnt give up or go away
they just changed the tune a tad and kept right on with the same rubbish claims
old Mortien flyspray ad in Aus
“when youre on a good thing…stick to it”
and they sure have!!
I think some are afraid to point the finger at the sponsors/snatchers, all billionaires.
Among “Climate Emergency Fund,” CEF, are to be found Rory Kennedy, the daughter of Robert Kennedy, and Aileen Getty, daughter of the late John Paul Getty, along with the “philanthropist” Trevor Neilson, whose career has included various forms of collaboration with Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros and Ted Turner.
They want to snatch our standard of living as their priviliged financial system careens to either a horrible crash or a new paradigm. Abusing kids for such purposes is nothing new for such an “elite”.
Having long since understood that none of this has anything to do with“climate science,” the only remaining question, the real elephant in the room is: what exactly in hell are these people trying to accomplish? I’m 50/50 divided; is it the Club of Rome/Maurice Strong’s bluntly stated goal of literally dismantling Western society, or just another scheme to make the puppet masters richer, just writ larger than anything attempted before? It reminds me in every way that matters of creatures like David Icke – does he actually believe the insane crap coming out of his mouth, or is it just about the money?
I only hope I live to find out, and to witness the shock and shame of the millions who fell for it and promoted it
To this old greybeard granddad, it’s all about the power. From that, the money will flow.
Aileen Getty is sister to the late kidnapping victim J. P. Getty III.
The Getty fortune comes from oil wells.