Well done, Greta Thunberg!

The BBC reports today that Greta Thunberg will travel to some climate conferences by sail.

Guest post by Mike Jonas

From The BBC

Greta Thunberg to sail Atlantic for climate conferences

Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg has accepted a ride across the Atlantic by boat to attend two key climate conferences.

The teenager will make the journey aboard the Malizia II, a high-speed 18-metre (60ft) yacht built to race around the globe.

“We’ll be sailing across the Atlantic Ocean from the UK to New York in mid August,” she tweeted.

Thunberg refuses to fly because of the environmental impact of air travel.

In a Facebook post, Team Malizia said they were “honoured to sail Greta Thunberg emission free across the Atlantic”.

Is Greta Thunberg the first climate activist prepared to abide by their convictions and use “carbon-free” travel? I think she is.

My personal opinion is that Greta should be congratulated for her integrity (just as the others should be condemned for their hypocrisy).

But maybe, just maybe, this story will drive home to people just how ridiculous the whole “carbon-free” idea is.

Greta is fortunate enough to be invited to visit the other side of the Atlantic in a fast racing yacht, because she is famous. That’s the positive part of the story. But let’s go through just a few of the issues arising from this story:

1. It will take a very long time compared with flying, especially if you aren’t famous. At Malizia II’s trans-Atlantic racing speed of 14.5 knots (https://www.yacht-club-monaco.mc/en/route-du-rhum-malizia-ii-finished-5th/), an Atlantic crossing takes a fortnight. Time is money to most people, and especially to businesses.

Want to use your 4-week annual leave or the children’s school holiday to visit relatives on the other side of the Atlantic? Forget it.

2. The Atlantic, just like any large body of water, has severe storms. Even professional competitors in ocean races get sea-sick.

“It’s a feeling that you just want to jump off the side of the boat and end it all. It’s miserable, you don’t feel like doing anything, you get lethargic and you get tired. You loose[sic] interest in anything except in how manky you feel and pretty much each time you move, or change your environment, you end up throwing up.”.

(There’s lots more like that). Greta will be in an ocean racer, and even without a storm I doubt she will enjoy it. What will trans-ocean travel be like in our future “carbon-free” world?

3. …

There really isn’t any point in going on with this – the whole “carbon-free” idea is utterly impractical. In a “carbon-free” world, they are going to have to have all nuclear-powered ships and planes, or the whole world just descends into poverty. How long did they say we had left to go “carbon-free”?

So, while I congratulate Greta on her high ethical standards, maybe be best thing that can come out of this journey is the final realisation that the whole “carbon-free” thing is an exercise in absurdly expensive futility. The cost of going “carbon-free” – if it is actually possible – is clearly many orders of magnitude higher than just adapting to what the climate may or may not do. And bear in mind that China and India and others will do more than enough to guarantee that we will have to adapt to that anyway.

I hope that Greta’s greatest achievement will be getting the message through to the media and the politicians that they have been conned.

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291 thoughts on “Well done, Greta Thunberg!

  1. How does she travel around Europe? Car, train? Does she walk every where? Why does the ipcc climate meetings cost millions of dollars?

    • Would somebody ask her ( publicly ) how her neighbouring country ( GREENLAND ) got its name ???
      Perhaps the grass and trees that was buried 20,000 years ago under 2-300 meters of ice could hold an answer ?

      • Greenland isn’t Sweden’s neighbor – it is about 1,500 nautical miles away, separated by an ocean.

        The origin of Greenland’s name is uncertain and a matter of dispute. Some say that it was so named by the norsemen as a means of encouraging others to go there, rather than to Iceland, where the norse set up a permanently viable society, whereas Greenland was at best a temporary, marginal settlement site. Sort of a geo-political head fake.

        Others say Greenland was so named because when it was settled, for a few hundred years, anyway, it was during the Medieval Warming period .. and then abandoned during the cooling that followed in the Little Ice Age.

        Clearly Greenland is one of those places that favors biological inhabitants when it is warmer much more so than when it is colder. It clearly illustrates the benefits of warming, at least benefits to plants, animals, and human beings.

        • Another idea (not mine) is that first-time sailors (green, new, ?) were volunteered to make the trip. In fact, one might wake the next day — after a night at the pub — and find he was on an unexpected trip.

          Not saying this is true — just that it is out here in the literature.

        • Anyone who has flown over Greenland on their way to Europe knows there isn’t a lot of arable flat land there, albeit the early Norse managed to scrape out a living during the MWP managing to grow some hay and maybe even some barley, which is a fast growing crop in the long northern summer sunshine, if it doesn’t freeze too hard. But…it most certainly wasn’t some ideal oasis in the arctic. They survived mainly by fishing, but when the LIA came along, they couldn’t even get their boats to sea, either to fish or to escape back to Iceland or the continent and they all perished there by the early 16th century.

          An excerpt from Wiki…

          The early Norse settlers named the island as Groenland (Greenland). In the Icelandic sagas, the Norwegian-born Icelander Erik the Red was said to be exiled from Iceland for manslaughter. Along with his extended family and his thralls (i.e. slaves or serfs), he set out in ships to explore an icy land known to lie to the northwest. After finding a habitable area and settling there, he named it Grœnland (translated as “Greenland”), supposedly in the hope that the pleasant name would attract settlers. The Saga of Erik the Red states: “In the summer, Erik left to settle in the country he had found, which he called Greenland, as he said people would be attracted there if it had a favorable name.”

          From 986, Greenland’s west coast was settled by Icelanders and Norwegians, through a contingent of 14 boats led by Erik the Red. Erik the Red’s recruitment of others to settle in Greenland has been characterized mainly as a land scam, the scam (and the name) portraying Greenland as better farm land than in Iceland.

          • “Erik the Red’s recruitment of others to settle in Greenland has been characterized mainly as a land scam, the scam (and the name) portraying Greenland as better farm land than in Iceland.”

            Just like those commie bastards…

      • As an Icelander I can tell you, something we learned in school as children. So happens when you come sailing from Norway as we did, the first thing you see is the biggest glacier in Iceland “Vatnajökull”. Can add to that, had a different name then because it was much smaller “Klofajökull”, two glaciers and a pass between them”. Therefore the name “Iceland”. The vikings or Norsemen liked to name places by their first impressions I guess, Helluland, Vineland, Iceland, Greenland etc. Different in Greenland, your first sight, intensely green hills, the glacier further inland and not seen from the sea. Never been there so this would be hearsay :-).

        • Hello Ingimundur, and thanks for this description of why “Iceland.” My grandmother was Icelandic, but for two generations we have lived in Canada and lost the Icelandic language (they call Canada “West Iceland” because they discovered it first, or so they say with a smile). When my cousins visited, however, I noted the following: they pronounced “Island” (as in “Vancouver Island”) as “Iceland” – they pronounced the “s” in “island” which is silent in English. This makes me suspect that maybe the name “Iceland” just means “island.” And Iceland is an island, after all. What do you think ?

          • That is English. In Scandinavia island is called somwthing different.
            Ice is Is and we’ll land is land but island is øy in Norwegian and ö in Swedish as an example. So no correlation.

          • boffin; In Scandinavian the word for “ice” is “is”. An island is called “øy” or “ø” (like the Swedish island Øland). So there is no dobut that Iceland’s name has to do with ice, however, the history and context of this name is still not clearly understood, AFAIK.

          • Don’t know about this iceland island thing, but 1/4 of the Icelandic nation left for Canada at the end of the 19th and beginning of 20th to start New Iceland in Canada. very much because of a cooling climate. High lying farms not able to support farming any longer and as soon as the possibility came to leave, 1/4 of the nation did, climatechange! When Iceland was settled the climate was warmer than today, forests and grass probably up all mountains, an unbelievable “gozen” land compared to what it is today.

          • “the history and context of this name is still not clearly understood, AFAIK.”

            According to Landnámabók it was named Island (Ice-country) by Flóki Vilgerðarson, one of the first Norse to attempt settlement, after a hard winter had killed all their cattle. This would have been c. 870 AD. The first contemporary mention of the name is in an eleventh century runic inscription from Sweden:

            https://kulturbilder.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/runristningar-gotland-g-216/

            Quite likely Eirik Raude knew this story, and therefore choose Greenland to give his new discovery a better reputation.

        • See you know your history about Hrafna Flóki. In it it says: Flóki said everything bad about the country mostly to excuse his own failure staying. But a slave of his said that “butter dripped from every straw”. And I think it did, does not take much warming for the whole of Iceland to be covered with grass and therefore an unbelievable bounty, no wolves, bears or other big predators, mild winter compared to northern Scandinavia because of the Gulf stream. So how much warmer was it, think maybe a lot warmer than generally accepted. Not that I know of course.

  2. And that expensive racing yacht for the use of a few people, will have had quite a high environmental cost in its design and construction

      • Ah, I really must recommend the book by a member of the expedition, Erik Hesselberg. A charmingly naive tale, starting with a description of his home and family outside of Oslo, including a sketch of the beetles than live under his terrace. And of course, the ever-present (at that time) Norwegian sailor that they meet in Peru, who delights in telling how they will slowly sink, and the sharks will come…

        https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/347318.Kon_Tiki_and_I

          • Oh great! You’ve read the book. Yes, that brought tears to my eyes as well. They also very nearly lost a crew member, who fell overboard and caught a rope at the last moment. The raft could not be turned around.

      • *sigh*
        She is crossing the Atlantic, not the Pacific.
        Please try to keep up with your geography.

        What she really needs to do is cross in a Viking longboat, like her ancestors did.
        The big plus here is that once she gets to Newfoundland, she and her crew can engage in some coastal raiding. They can pillage and burn some of the coastal villages they come across.
        Just like the Good Old Days.

        • Yes you need a Reed Boat to cross the Atlantic… Although to succeed you may need reeds from your destination……

        • That’s the spirit! So few people really care about authenticity these days. Greta’s racing yacht probably has icky, fossil-fuel dependent components like fiberglass, high-tech winches, icky polyester sails, icky petroleum paints and coatings, icky lead ballast, maybe even an icky auxiliary engine with Monel tanks. (Gasp!) Wood, flax, and pine tar oughta be the only components allowed — all hewn by hand, of course. And only hand-gathered rocks for ballast. If we want to return to the Stone Age, we gotta stick to the genuine articles.

          Steel tools to make the crate? I dunno. It’s hard to be ecologically pure.

          • More like carbon fiber vs fiberglass and likely carbon fiber sails as well.

            I’m sure the first day or two will be exciting, but if at racing speed, that heel and pounding will get very old, very fast. Dramamine, anyone?

          • I saw some pictures of the yacht. Carbon fiber with polyester resin and a whole bunch of autoclave cured components. Light weight and stiff. The sails are probably made from carbon and aramid (Kevlar) fibers sandwiched between Mylar sheeting. This uses essentially the same construction methods by which military fighter aircraft are made.

            I have some experience in sailing these types of high-tech sailing craft. They are not spacious. They are racing sleds. These boats ride like skateboards, in that you feel every minor wavelet. And creature comforts…hah! Often during racing you are sleeping atop the sail bags up in the v-berth in your foul-weather gear.

          • Citat: “… En korrelation säger ingenting om kausalitet
            En vanlig missuppfattning är att en korrelation mellan två variabler skulle innebära att det finns ett kausalt samband variablerna emellan. Det vill säga att den ena variabeln påverkar den andra. Så är inte fallet. Två variabler kan samvariera utan att en förändring i den ena nödvändigtvis leder till en förändring i den andra…”
            https://www.statistiskordbok.se/ord/korrelation/
            Dessutom…
            http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/02/irreducible-complexity-of-society.html

        • Hey, this girl is coming to Cop25 in Chile, and Chile is in the Pacific. and said he is coming on that yacht sailing to Santiago. I don’t believe him … Santiago is 300 meters above sea level. I guess it will pass from the Atlantic to the Pacific through the Panama Canal. Now lift that beautiful yacht through the canal locks.
          Very expensive … the canal’s hydraulic pumps consume a lot of oil
           more fuel than if it comes by plane.

      • Or on driftwood, just like the Ozzie camels.
        Say, on the Maliza II web site it looks an awful lot like a carbon fiber (petroleum product) hull and mast on that yacht. I wonder how they got all that steel without coke (coal product). Of course, the polyfill floatation devices, polycarbonate and acrylic safety equipment, nylon and aramid strapping, rigging and sail (coal and petroleum products), and polyester/polypropylene wet suits worn by the crew are all fully ecologically conscientious products. I do wonder about the barf-bags. Doesn’t look like that there’s a bathroom on that thing, either.
        And what a great way to publicize the reduction in major Atlantic storms!

        • But the Coast Guard runs on fossil fuels in ships made with fossil fuels and with navigation & communications using fossil fuels. Oh I forgot –
          All that “fossil fule” use was from geologically stored solar energy graciously provided by our Creator as “training wheels” to get our economies up and going, care for the widow, the orphan and the poor, until we can develop energy sustainable for 1000 years!

          • I hope that she is a good sailor. Ten days hanging over the side reaching up you gut is not good preparation for public speaking.
            Atlantic in any month can be very rough.
            I wonder how she will return to Europe if her first voyage is a ‘nightmare’?

        • And eating lutefisk (cod fish pickled in brine) out of a barrel as her primary food source.

          • She’s a vegan that experience might actually be good for her.
            comes into port looking like an Asgardian Valkyrie…

          • Lutefisk is preserved in lye (sodium hydroxide) otherwise known as drain cleaner.
            I live in Norway and have seen the whole process. I am still trying to understand why anyone who does not have to would eat it.

          • Sorry Mickey, lutefisk is pickled in lye, not brine. Lye is a sodium hydroxide solution! So the fish is basically saponified, and it looks like it too!Often eaten at Christmas, would you believe?
            From a Norwegian descendant familiar with such arcane delights!!

        • Well at least 40 climate changers from the EU are going to the knees up aren’t they? Make themselves useful and row for Gaia. Can’t let a kid steal all their thunder.

        • The little boats of Ithaca that Ulysses used only had a crew of about 8 (been a while since I watched the movie). Minimum rowing involved, but you’ve just got to avoid Scylla and Charybdis. (among others).

      • After fossil fuels, she could make the trip on a sail-powered whaling ship like some of our ancestors. My grandfather was more fortunate as he immigrated to America on a fossil-fuel-powered whaling ship in 1903.

        • On second thought, whaling ships of the early 20th century likely were steam-powered (coal).

    • yeah thinking about what its made of? the paints and antifouling chem and I do hope the sails are all hemp/canvas etc
      steering with astrolabe no hitech one trusts?
      and if she makes it there, then shes got to go home the same way
      yes good one her for the attempt..however id also suspect its a autie thing as much as a carbon thing in her case.

    • “And that expensive racing yacht for the use of a few people”

      And will have little in the way of the “conveniences” of modern life on board. Not the best place for someone with Autism to spend a fortnight cooped up with others. I won’t be the least surprised if she is taken off it at some point in the voyage…

      • If she gets sea sick, she will be regretting the trip within hours.
        I am not sure if it is something you get over.
        I have rarely gotten sick, but the few times I did, particularly the last time, I did not want to be on that boat for another minute.
        As for getting off the boat…in mid-ocean?
        How, exactly?
        That would be an extremely expensive proposition, and unless it is via helicopter, which would be impossible in mid ocean except for perhaps the coast guard, she will just be on another boat.

        • It’s not unknown for commercial shipping to come to the aid of smaller boats with crew members “in distress”, as I’m sure she will be. And, seeing the newsworthy nature of this endeavour, what’s the betting her crossing will be shadowed (at least in part) by a larger chartered vessel(or vessels)?

          • It would seem to be a very good idea to have some such contingency in place.
            But a flotilla of larger craft to shadow a racing yacht seems like it defeats the whole idea of travelling in some low impact manner.
            The manufacture of the boat she is taking seems like it probably used a vast amount of energy.
            And I doubt it was windmill energy.

        • Are we – will we be getting daily updates of their progress and ‘health’ status as well via sat phone/text messages?

        • Some do get over it . Decades ago , leaving Pearl (not even out of the channel)mess cook”Mike”had been sick four times .
          Old salt “Pete” put his arm around him and said “I know what your problem is. ”
          Mike : Really ?
          Pete : Yes . It’s your stomach .
          Mike : Really ?
          Pete : Yes ! It’s full of PUKE !
          …Instant barf number five …

    • Bet my last dollar that this racing yacht is largely made of lightweight, high strength, CARBON FIBER material. Yeah, that would be carbon fiber plus fossil fuel derived epoxy resins. Sorry Greta.

    • I just wonder if she really understands the vast energy-consuming underpinnings of ocean racers. The environmental cost of one return flight across the Atlantic is going to be way less than that voyage in the ocean racer, given that the boat will only have a handful of voyages before it breaks or goes into a museum.

    • Yeah, for sure.

      If Ms. Greta really wants to make a statement for the little people, she’d build a raft out of discarded styrofoam with sails made of organically grown flax, and use a “sunstone” for navigation, and haul a few organically-fed pigs and hogsheads filled with organically grown wheat to feed her and the other intrepid adventurers.

    • More important how will the yacht reach her. Usually they are shipped not sailed over seas. I am guessing a huge cargo ship.

    • A very large portion of that boat was made possible by fossilized material and resources. This trip is nothing more than PR. Let’s see how long she’s sticks with it. And she’s not even putting her money where her mouth is; is using other people’s money.

    • David Middleton July 30, 2019 at 2:24 am

      She should make the trip on a Kon Tiki raft… 😎
      ____________________________________________________

      That’s right – these yachts made of carbon fiber and high quality highly alloyed steels require a lot of fossil fuel burning to produce them.

      • Couldn’t get the Kon Tiki (or its later duplicate style catamarans) around the Cape Horn to the Pacific Ocean from her homeland up north of the equator.

      • Asperger syndrome is genetically determined. If Greta Thunberg had Asperger then

        according to the Mendelian inheritance theory

        in her family this syndrome had to aoccur in every 2nd or 3rd generation.

        There is NO reference to Aspergers in her family tree.

        She doesn’t have Asperger – she has juvenile narcissm.

      • You will never know that. Her parents are exploiting her for money, so it will be interesting to see how much they will inconvenience themselves. I am going to bet she ‘crashes soon’. Shame on them. I also will lay money she doesn’t walk across America to those conferences. And, who said that the trains are running on wind or solar. You know they aren’t and you also know they are being made with Petroleum. So, give her credit for NOTHING.

        • Edith Wenzel
          Not the first time the propaganda machine used a child to insight the masses. @ 14 min’s into this video you’ll see another child being exploited.

          • jmorpuss, you’re known to a bit of a conspiracy ahhh … nut … at times. Can you offer any insights why that might be?

            Have you ever seen UFOs or extra-terrestrials? Have you ever been probed by them – that you recall?

          • Ah yes: Youtube, where we can learn all about the Deep State.

            Well, what DO they want? To dismantle the West by banning fossil fuels, or secure its future by starting wars to grab fossil fuels? A wee bit confused, are we?

            In the wrong forum, that much is certain.

      • That’s my guess as well, if she even makes it all the way across without having to be rescued.

      • Mods what?
        What she is advocating will lead to many deaths…billions in a few years.
        And that is just the energy part of her list of demands.
        She insists we all panic immediately and end fossil fuel use, period.
        Even if the subject was just flying, rather than keeping all fossil fuels in the ground, having the whole of the world solely using sails boats to travel between continents will lead necessarily to many deaths on a regular basis.
        Flying is not only the most fast and efficient mode of transport ever created, it is the safest.

        Besides for her inane ideas about energy and travel, she is vocally in favor of world communism.
        How many deaths are her and her supporters going to have advocated for if that day ever comes?
        Hundreds of millions have died in a few countries under such a system.
        If it was worldwide, how many billions would die, besides those billions that will starve and freeze to death in an agrarian regression, plus worldwide communism?
        I would like to hear her answer for what should be done to people who refuse to revert to a non-fossil fuel lifestyle?
        Her plan will not work if they are simply allowed to do as they wish.
        So they will necessarily need to be stopped.
        How?
        Asking nicely?
        Or will it take a war to stop people from living the way they are accustomed to living?
        And jail for the survivors?
        If one follows what these people are advocating for and projects what it would entail and what it would result in, the picture one gets is very dark and very grim.
        If they refuse to knock it off, something Very Bad will happen eventually.

    • Vlad the Inhaler: ” Of course she’ll be given instant sainthood and made a climate martyr and her name used endlessly to foist climate insanity on us, […]”

      Yup. We’d be assaulted by “Greta would have said…” or “Greta would never have approved of…” or WWGD “What Would Greta Do?” wrist bands.

      On the bright side, there would be lots of money to be made selling Saint Greta Climate Rosaries®.

      • She is going from the UK to NYC. No word on how she will get to Santiago, which is on the West coast of Chile and 35°south latitude. From NYC to Santiago is mostly straight south and through the canal, but it is over 6000 miles.
        A very long voyage, and the winds and currents along the west coast of South America are, in the main, strongly from the south, so there is that.
        And I wonder how she gets to the UK? Does she take trains everywhere?
        I am curious what the plan is for a world in which we have people taking trains everywhere but is powered by wind and solar?
        And for the safety aspect…Harsh or not to point it out, if everyone was travelling everywhere around the world by sailing ship, we would have many fatalities on a daily basis. This is a very dangerous way to get around.
        Even the largest sailing ships are sitting ducks for hurricanes and even random strong thunderstorms on occasion.
        Forget about transporting food that way. It takes refrigeration and fast transit time…impossible on a sailing ship for bulk commercial transport.

        • Very interesting how she is going carbon free while sailing on a yacht with carbon fibre sails and the entire yacht is made up of carbon filaments and carbon fibre? After puking 🤢 for two weeks to get to America, how will she return to Sweden? In a straight jacket would be my assumption unless she enjoys the sensation.

        • trains run on diesel powered electric motors.

          trains are out.

          I am more curious about how she will get back home.

          • It may surprise you to find that the majority of trains in Europe are electrically powered by overhead wires. Some of that electricity is generated by fossil fuels though. In the future world of green energy, trains will only operate when the wind is blowing.

    • vlad

      that is not on to hope she dies.

      She is a pain in the basckside incredibly naïve but at least she has principles even if they merely demonstrate that people can’t live like she would want us to live.

      Her book ‘no one is too small to make a difference’ is mind boggling in its simplicity and arrogance and her lack of understanding how the world works. but at least she has some integrity, unlike her grown up counterparts who tell us to do one thing whilst doing another themselves

      tonyb

      • She may also have a complete change of mind. Many people long for the good old days until they actually find out what the good old days are really like.

    • I think it would be better if she arrived in a suit of vomit, too weak to attend the conference. Maybe several days in the hospital getting fluids to recover. That would show how retarded this entire idea is. Can you get scurvy in 2 weeks?

    • I’ve been coming to WUWT for 10 years.

      I’ve really enjoyed the robust exchanges of opinion and the enlightenment brought to us by Anthony and many others.

      I’ve appreciated Anthony’s tolerance of those who have a different opinion on the warmist side and even his tolerance of trolls.

      Recently I’ve noticed some of the comments are becoming more and more extreme. Islamaphobia and verbal abuse of young women is on the rise and I think it is an appalling way for adults to behave.

      Thank you, Anthony, for the last 10 years.

      I salute you Anthony (and others) for all your hard work, but I don’t want to be part of this.

      MangoChutney

      • The phobia is a projection, and the verbal or otherwise abuse of young women is limited to the progress of social liberalism, ethics, post-normal science, and denial of human franchise.

    • Isn’t there carbon in wood also?? Oh sorry, I forgot, that is renewable carbon and is different from evil fossil fuel carbon.

    • Eric

      I suspect the boat described here is similar to the 60ft racing boat Malizia II Greta will be sailing on.

      Described in Yachts and Yachting.com

      “Also back on the start line is Alex Thomson skippering the 2015 IMOCA 60 Hugo Boss. When Alex competed in 2008 he was joined on board by none other than F1 driver Lewis Hamilton (2008, 2014 & current World Champion) and [Sir] Ben Ainslie. [Lewis (widely regarded as one of the greatest drivers in the history of the sport) is now 5 times F1 world champion].

      Alex’s new 60ft racing yacht has been designed by VPLP/Verdier and the Alex Thomson Racing Team and built at Green Marine in Southampton. The yacht has been built entirely of carbon fibre, using similar technologies to Formula 1, and has taken 40,000 man hours to build. Alex’s goal is to be the first British team to win the Vendée Globe in 2016-17. As it stands today, he is the only British entry for the next edition of the Vendée Globe.” (My emphasis).

      This is high end yacht building at the extremes of technology and a sport for the well heeled, and highly skilled. Ben Ainslie is “one of the most successful sailors in Olympic history. He won medals at five consecutive Olympics from 1996 onwards, including gold at the four Games held between 2000 and 2012.” (Wikipedia) The cost of one of these yachts is simply eye watering.

      Although Ben isn’t participating on ‘Greta’s’ yacht, the standard of participation in these events is at the very pinnacle of sporting endeavour.

      • Sorry, screwed up the tag.

        The yacht has been built entirely of carbon fibre, using similar technologies to Formula 1, and has taken 40,000 man hours to build.

        A wee bit of help here pleas MOD?

      • Bingo HotScot!

        40,000 man hours = 5,000 8 hour workdays.
        That’s 19 and 1/4 persons working 5 days a week for a full year, without vacations.

        Malizia II’s hull is laid up with advanced epoxy resins and carbon fiber fabrics.

        Now, doesn’t this look like a comfy ship to ride the Atlantic in?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJivEpepdlo

        “The 60-foot (18-meter) Malizia II is fitted with solar panels and underwater turbines to generate zero-carbon electricity on board.”

        Odd!? They do not mention the speed those solar panel driven turbines speed the boat along? Fortunately, the Atlantic is frequently breezy.
        Whatever, they will not save any carbon dioxide emissions sailing that boat.

        • If I were piloting that I would be wearing a wet suit (although the pilots suit was still wet anyway)

        • Not much sight seeing on that voyage. Wet, wet and more wet.
          For two weeks? That’s crazy.

    • Yes Eric. Made of wood, hewn by hand using a stone axe. By the way. If the sailboat runs into trouble, do they call for sail powered help? As a child, I crossed the Atlantic twice in a so-called semi-passenger freighter that has a top speed of 8 knots. The trips took 3 weeks, and it was not pleasant. My first question on boarding was this: why are the table and chairs in the dining room hooked to the floor? I soon found out.

    • ???????????
      Wood? WOOD???
      Where have you been for the last 50 years??????
      Now, do not get me wrong. Modern wooden boats, custom hand crafted, can be at least as expensive as the racing machines. Exotic materials are not Kevlar and carbon fiber, they are Teak and Mahogany and other exotic woods. Fine cabinet woods abound, along with fine cabinetry and old school craftsmanship. These boats tend to be absolutely gorgeous both above and below deck. A modern wooden boat is the refined Gentleman’s statement to the world as to what a proper luxury yacht looks like. They are very often instant classics. Style and elegance are the word of the day. Below decks, do not be surprised to find the table set with fine china, crystal, and silver. (What! Did you think we are savages, or something?)

      The only thing that the wooden boats and the racing machines have in common is that they are both as expensive as the builders can make them.

    • Made by hand in the traditional Viking manner, all that blood, sweat, & tears (well perhaps not those from a Viking), all that carbon expellation through heavy breathing!

    • No, most likely lots of “carbon” in that hull. Don’t tell poor Greta, please. She looks very small and frail for a 16-year old girl. Let us hope the boat follows the trade wind route, where the sea is not at its roughest. But I really wonder if she has any much experience of sailing at all? Even on a large yacht, it is no joke.

      • No, UK to NYC in mid August.
        It would take a very long time and be very dangerous to follow the wind south, then west and then north to NYC.
        I am curious exactly what route they will take though. Tacking the whole way may be why it is taking two weeks on a ship that can make 16+ knots.

      • Climate change, global warming, carbon footprint ,stop driving cars, don’t use the buses, don’t use the trains, don’t get on that motorcycle, don’t go on holiday abroad, stop smoking, don’t light that BBQ and most of all don’t drive electric cars because the brake pads dust will make you sneeze, and last of all stop FARTING.
        What planet are extinction rebellion bunch on, climate change or global warming is not the fault of human activity, but it’s the Earth’s Procession, a progressive change in the angle of axis of earth, and it is a period of 26,800 years, and during that period the path of the sun across our skies changes and resulting in temperature changes ie. Temperatures will increase where it is usually colder and temperatures will decrease where it is usually warmer, and also during the cycle of Procession the gravitational pull of the sun and moon effects the earth’s crust and its result is more earthquakes, tidal waves, severe weather changes, more volcanic activity and under sea volcanic activity it’s a natural cycle of earth, its just humans don’t live long enough to see a full cycle, yes pollution is a factor and England is doing a great job of making the quality of the air we breathe better, but the extinction rebellion bunch think that England is a planet of its own, the rest of the world has to do the same but it is a long way off yet, their pollution drifts around the world in the jet stream and effects all, and nature’s wildlife, have you seen the extinction rebellion use cars, buses, trains, motorcycles, oh yes they do, why don’t they demonstrate in Russia, China, India, USA, Korea, Australia, and more, but I would say not many will return because they would be in prison for “J” walking, and obstructing traffic, and stopping people from getting to work, hospital, doctors, etc.

    • Does anyone really believe Greta is actually not just a puppet on a string?

      The show is already getting stale, in Germany interesting bumper stickers are appearing “F You Greta” 😀

    • I can’t yank the specs but a quick poke around suggests advanced composites, Kevlar(tm) and titanium as the main structural components…

    • A modern racing yacht – made entirely using high tech and modern methods. Perhaps Greta could provide us with an estimate of the carbon cost of that boat?

      Then we can divide that among how many passengers it can carry along with provisioning etc and see just how ‘carbon neutral’ her trip actually IS…

    • …. and the abuse continues to get worse.

      Whatever though, come on Leonardo, Al, Steyer and the rest of the usual suspects. Please follow Greta’s selfless example when traveling.

      PS Kinda related – whatever happened to that clusterf*** of a solar powered plane from a few years ago?

        • Hate to break it to you but that Pipestrel Panthera is the internal combustion reciprocating piston engine version, the exhaust pipe’s end is sticking out from the underside of the rear of the lower air intake. it’s a Lycoming IO-540 six cylinder.

          • I noted the Air Intakes on the side of the cowling and the Exhaust port sticking out of the bottom

      • It flew round the world……eventually…….when the weather was nice…..not too windy, bit of sun.

      • Yeah, I think it eventually finished after about two years. I guess they chose not to hype it after it took about 22 months longer than planned.

  3. All very laudable, I must say. Well, perhaps not.

    The report on the radio of Greta’s guest appearance on board the racing yacht is that at sixteen years old she will be taking a year off school to attend this and other climate change junkets.

    Far be it from me to criticise a parents decision to let their daughter leave school at sixteen and go into full time employment to do, say, an apprenticeship to give her a foundation for an employable future.

    However Greta, an allegedly Autistic child who likely suffers from learning difficulties, as many Autistic children do, would have only just completed the basic, standard, examination qualifications. In the UK we call them GCSE’s (General Certificate of Secondary Education).

    In the UK children are also now required to stay in education until they are eighteen years old, that might be going on to sixth for for two years or College where they can, and usually do take ‘A’ levels or equivalent e.g. International Baccalaureate, these usually take two years of dedicated study and are necessarily tough.

    Formal Swedish education begins around 7 years old, in the UK it is 5, and whilst I accept that Greta will have all the privileged education money can buy, I still don’t buy the concept that this child is anywhere near adequately educated far less to the degree that she has any realistic grasp of science.

    As for sending her on a two week journey across the Atlantic on a racing yacht, one only has to read the book ‘Left for Dead’ by Nick Ward to understand the dangers of this trip. Albeit the story Nick recites of his experience was when the 30ft yacht he was crewing on in the annual Fastnet race was smashed almost to matchwood by a storm that struck the race, there were many other larger boats in the race damaged.

    Nick was nineteen years old and an experienced sailor, he only survived by sheer luck. Greta has likely, barely set foot on board a yacht before, she is not a sailor by any stretch of the imagination. An acquaintance of mine spent a lot of money to crew on the UNICF yacht in a year long, round the world race as a ‘Grinder’. He was thoroughly trained for the job and was incredibly fit, as one might imagine for that job, but it didn’t stop him breaking his arm.

    As for her personal future prospects? Well, it seems to lie in the celebrity of climate change activism. And whether or not one accepts the concept of man made, CO2 influenced climate change, what will be the future for Greta. Celebrity status is a fickle mistress, especially when one can’t dance, sing or act. I believe the Kardashians do rather well from the concept however, they seem to lead a blessed life of notoriety rather than talent. I don’t imagine Greta will be able to sustain a ‘reality’ show for very long.

    Rather than feeling contempt for this poor child, the only emotion I’m afraid I can muster is pity. Clearly, no one has considered even the remote possibility that climate change might be natural. Any responsible parent would have taken an objective view of the subject and, like me perhaps, just visited blogs such as WUWT or notalotofpeopleknowthat, just to check that things are actually as catastrophic as they seem from a one sided approach to it.

    Has anyone here ever encountered someone ‘just askin’ for a friend’ in any meaningful manner? Far less someone from Sweden doing so on behalf of their Autistic daughter?

    In perhaps three or four years (a wild guess) of regular attendance on WUWT I certainly haven’t which means that from, say, thirteen years old to her current sixteen years, there is likely to have been little objective research done on the subject, by her parents, on her behalf.

    I’m afraid desperation and a naked ambition to make a celebrity life for an Autistic child is the only real conclusion that can be rationally drawn here.

    On the other hand, I guess I don’t know the Thunberg family, nor Greta personally, so I could be accused of ignorance of them and their motives myself. However, in the spirit of inquiry, I visited Greta’s Facebook page and found her announcement of the trip, written by her, to be remarkably mature and word perfect in English, unusual for a Swedish sixteen year old. I’m not convinced my daughters could have written as concise an announcement at 16 years old and one is now, at 24 years old, employed in a responsible job thanks to the Bsc and Masters qualifications she studied hard for, over 5 years. One of her outstanding talents was the English language.

    Whilst I have no right to, I fear for the future and the mental health of Greta. And as much as I despise government intervention in anyone’s lives, I feel that perhaps the Swedish government, being a good, caring, socialist organisation (Swedish Social Democratic Party, I believe) ought to be more concerned over Greta’s welfare than they seem to be.

    • Well said!! The real situation is that she is a child who is being abused by her parents and a lot of nasty adults around her … purely for political reasons.

      But the real point about Greta -is that she shows the desperation of those pushing the Climate Cult who know the science doesn’t back them so have to resort to these stupid and abusive stunts.

    • The lowest number of storms (and also of lowest intensity) in the North Atlantic occurs in late Summer.

  4. I note the vessel has a rather large diesel engine. Apparently it won’t be used whilst St Greta is on board except in case of emergencies (and probably entering and leaving port). Good old fossil fuel, coming to the rescue again when the wind gods have run out of puff!

  5. Hundreds and thousands og sailors and other people lost their lives at sea egen sailing was the only “carbon free” lotion. My granny lost three brothers om shipwrecks. There is no future in this.

  6. These trans-oceanic racers are awesome to sail. Light and fast, they really put on the speed. Everything to cut weight and increase speed, price is not a concern. Carbon fiber mast and spars, Kevlar sails, evil carbon all. But below deck, they are sparse and spartan, with only the bare necessities. not at all comfortable. Over the course of the passage, they have to run the diesel genset, or the main engine from time to time (daily) to keep the refrigerator cold and the batteries charged up. At a minimum they need to be assured that the radios and navigation systems are operational at all times, and that takes electricity. Even in August the North Atlantic gets cold, so they will be running a heater as well. Of course, not to mention that evil Fossil Fueled STOVE!

    Personally, I would be more impressed if our little case of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder took a Viking longboat across using nothing more than manual celestial navigation tools. Just the way her ancestors did it. (Those custom sails sure look pretty, must have cost a fortune. I will tell you, racing sails are not cheap.)

    • Tony, if you had read the article you would have seen that thy emphasised that generation of the necessary electric power is achieved via solar and sea turbines. Myself I use solar and wind and pretty much never have to use shore power.

      Having said that, like many here, I find this whole circus wreaks of hypocrisy, not hers, but by the elite that are exploiting her. The emphasis on the above in that piece is just the icing on the cake. Oh I didn’t say, one of the sponsors of this charade is of royal blood!

      • Yes Chris.

        The whole thing is a cynical media clip bait hype and we are all suckers for it.
        Typical of the GreenBlob machiavellian practices, devoid of any ethical principles.
        These days, if you have enough money you can put a ring through the nose of the MSM. Those who have financed this disreputable venture should be thoroughly ashamed.

    • I’m guessing that if they encounter the slightest bad weather outbound then she will fly back.

      Can’t wait to see how this pans out.

  7. The idea that a teenage girl with no scientific knowledge at all and who’s been brainwashed by eco-parents is in anyway ‘science’ or ‘news’ is laughable. Unless you work for the BBC of course, then it’s hard news.
    Give me strength …

  8. Great story! While Greta is hanging over the side of the boat she can see something else mixed with the CO2 when she breathes out! Dare we expect film at 5:00?

  9. And she may end up becoming becalmed! And not even make the conference! Oh, what joy that would be!

    • Hope not – that would be another example of what this magic molecule can accomplish (as will be storms/no storms, etc. etc.)

      Anything can happen and probably will.

      There I told you so !

  10. Maybe she’ll have the same luck as all those save-the-planet-by-showboating-to-the-ice-free-North-Pole-by- kayak types.

    • even more fun an iceberg wandering around loose would be poetic
      i DO hope BOTH parent are going to be there too

  11. 4 weeks of Travel, so how is she getting back?
    Another 4 weeks takes her in to mid October.

  12. Indoctrination of the youth is not a new concept. The previous practitioners had less than noble reasons for their actions. No wisdom, no common sense, and no real world experience are required.

  13. I think that this sad little girl is going to have a ride from hell. Being a sailor myself, I know how utterly uncomfortable a racing yacht is. This is a multi million Euro yacht with a crew of 6 to 10 people. Just image the true costs of this undertaking… However, on the other hand, it also shows what the true costs are for going to make miles for one little person without using a jet or piston engine. BTW: the “carbon footprint” to produce this yacht is enormous.

    • ” Just image the true costs of this undertaking… ”

      Well when you own Monaco……

  14. Greta, like the polar bear over a decade ago that was being used as a mascot to promote a marketing scheme, is just being used in the latest marketing scheme to sell something using non scientific means but instead a purely emotional “save the planet” for the (children this time) narrative.

  15. Why do people listen to this confected prodigy when she doesn’t even know what snow is?

    • It’s kind of the inverse of “The Emperor wears no Clothes”.

      Title: “The Myth of Prodigy and Why it Matters”

      https://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/the-myth-of-prodigy-and-why-it-matters

      Very brief excerpt: “I think we take it as an article of faith in our society that great ability in any given field is invariably manifested early on, that to be precocious at something is important because it’s a predictor of future success,” Gladwell said. “But is that really true? And what is the evidence for it? And what exactly is the meaning and value of mastering a particular skill very early on in your life?”

      There are two ways of answering these questions. One is simply to track the achievements of precocious kids. Gladwell cited a mid-1980s study (Genius Revisited) of adults who had attended New York City’s prestigious Hunter College Elementary School, which only admits children with an IQ of 155 or above.

  16. Team Malizia said they were “honoured to sail Greta Thunberg emission free across the Atlantic”.

    Emission free? She can’t hold everything in for two weeks, surely..

    Can you imagine being stuck on a boat being preached at for days, weeks on end?

    “Erm.. she was washed overboard by a freak wave. Honest..”

  17. I come from a lomg line of Sailing Men and and (Women.) My GR.Grandfather x3 had several Atlantic crossings and lots of experience in the Caribbean. His Wife’ a Barbadian woman sailed most of the time with him. they were nearly killed in a storm off of Pimlico Sound.
    I don’t think Greta is going like it when the helmsman yells: “All hands on deck! ” when a stay breaks at the worst possible moment.As in corssing the Columbia bar-happened to me.
    She does not strike me as a descendant of Anders Bloodaxe…

  18. When she finally makes it, she will truly be green. The color. from daily vomiting for 2 straight weeks.

    A 60 foot boat in 15 foot waves will be “life changing”. When it’s time to sail back, expect a “**** That!” coming out of the precious waifs lips.

  19. We should note that cries to “save the polar bears” have decreased in proportion to their massive increase in population.
    Rather than admit the error or flaws in this climate crisis prediction, the strategy is to push forward with new, more convincing marketing schemes to sell the climate crisis product vs objectively comparing the busted projection with what actually happened and using science to adjust/apply with new projections that are not a crisis.

  20. IF it’s a hand built raft with a hand woven sail, I’m impressed. Welcome to the new carbon-free world!

  21. It’ll still consume 5x more fuel for the transit than she would on a jumbo… or were they going to use indian wrist burns and sunlight to cook on a tiny rocking ship?

  22. Malizia II is not made of wood but “composites” which suggests a lot of carbon both in the material and in the manufacture. Ah, the irony…

  23. Golden rule for all sailors wishing to cross the Atlantic, Don’t go across between June and December – it’s hurricane season. Wouldn’t it just be poetic justice if the boat ended up in a hurricane.

  24. What exactly is the point of the conference anyway? According to Greta, we already know all we need to know about what is happening and what we need to do. So what’s the conference going to cover?

    We are all going to to die unless we do what a few people want us to do. There we go, summarised the conference, no any of any of it.

    Because the conference will use energy and paper and water and…for what benefit?

  25. She’s great! Better if she’d leave her satellite phone (satellites are NOT green!) and the rest of the world can take a much needed vacation from at least one climate activist.

  26. I suspect she has not thought this through. Two or three weeks on a yacht in the Atlantic may well cure her of her obsession with carbon dioxide.

  27. Of course there is no real possibility that this little girl will cross the ocean in a sailboat.
    The whole thing is a publicity stunt.
    The Atlantic ocean is unforgiving, and can be dangerous in the extreme. A trans-Atlantic passage in a small boat is nowhere for someone to learn sailing, or even basic boat skills. You can not make a mistake, you can not do anything stupid for the whole time. It is not for beginners.
    Eventually, an adult in the room will just say no.
    And that will be a quiet end to it.

    • re: “Eventually, an adult in the room will just say no.”

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

      Stay tuned.

  28. Golden rule for all sailors wishing to cross the Atlantic, Don’t go across between June and December – it’s hurricane season.

    I’ve raced yachts across and English Channel (mainly at night) as skipper, and it’s hard work even for fit men, She’ll be eating out of a bowl, and when it comes to getting rid of it, then it’s a bucket and chuck it job. Oh, she is soooo going to love that. So, we’er going to put a 16 year old autistic girl on a racing yacht going across the Atlantic in the hurricane season, What could possible go wrong?

  29. About 12 – 14 years ago there was another girl who wrote a blog called “Remember the Maunder”. She wrote it in response to Al Gores pack of lies. She really studied the science and was a good science communicator. She was in the Anti–AGW camp and was ignored by the press. Do you thing that there is any connection, She packed her blog in before going to university. Anyone know what has happened to her since.

    • It was “ponder the Maunder”, by Kristen Byrnes. Here are some of her essays and an interview on NPR. Very intelligent young lady, unlike this Greta. I believe she went into medicine.

    • Nope, Alexandria Ocasio is arranging a scholarship for her at one of the top US universities, and you are welcome to have her, we had enough on this side of Atlantic. 🙂

  30. I believe that the yacht is owned by prince of Monaco, so Greta will be well looked after.
    If you wonder where the yacht’s name comes from, it is named after François (Francesco) Grimaldi “il Malizia” (the thoroughly bad dude) – the first Grimaldi to rule over Monaco

  31. This is a very dangerous undertaking for anyone, especially a child without extensive & serious yachting experience.
    She stands a real chance of dying on the trip, do her parents realise that?

    Even if the trip completes safely, she will have an awful experince: this isn’t a cruise, it’s a racing yacht. In the Atlantic. And no way off, if she changes her mind half way. Or the crew do.

    How will she return?
    Another convenient multimilliondallar yacht across the Atlantic – in October?
    Or perhaps she’ll just walk across 🙂

    This is the pinnacle of virtue signalling by someone, with an expendable payload. A means of transport, it is not.

  32. Someone with serious mental and associated health issues embarking on a two week voyage in a special purpose built racing yacht to cross the Atlantic? What could possibly go wrong with that? There will be support/rescue crews and ships I am sure.

    IMO, this is madness in line with the media stunt ‘The Ship of Fools” made a while back.

    • Unforgettable experience, yes but not one you envisage, the yacht is around the globe racing vessel, its crew is world (top) class.

      • The articles indicate there will be only a few people on board, unless the list of people they gave was only the important ones.
        My understanding is it takes quite a few people to manage one of those craft, but maybe that is only while racing.
        Nothing automatic on those sorts of boats.

  33. I think all reporting of Greta’s exploits should be conveyed only by carrier pigeon and horse from now on. None of this new-fangled electricity nonsense.

  34. That sailing yacht, valued at millions of dollars, is nearly 100% made of petroleum based synthetics that can only be manufactured by high energy processes that require dependable low cost energy.
    Without fossil fuels and oil that luxury toy could not exist. Without the wealth generated by low cost reliable energy from coal, natural gas and nuclear power, no one would spend their resources on such a ridiculous trifle as a racing sailboat.
    And, climate karma being what it is, Greta (and the adults manipulating this sad disabled child) may learn more about the weather than they can possibly imagine.

  35. As an added bonus, Greta will be in the Americas for 9 months starting in August.
    I am curious and am wondering who might be willing to hazard a guess as to how long this girl will keep this charade up?
    There is zero chance of the world going cold turkey on energy, ever.
    And zero chance wind and solar are gonna work out.
    Is there any chance they will all get behind nuclear, an all out push?
    And Nuclear, wind and solar only make power…what about all the other energy?
    Farming alone and the need for everyone on Earth to eat every day, and for many of them to use heating much of the year, make it impossible she will get her wish.
    So, how long can anyone continue to devote their life to a goal which is not only never gonna happen, but would kill billions of it did?

    • If she shows up in Dallas, I’ll join the protest contingent (since I’ve got my sight back, and can drive again).

  36. Hehe, asking Greenpeace what to say could also apply to the CBC just as well.

    As for Greta’s planned transatlantic sail, I only wish some sort of followup logic could flow from those who’ve made her a figurehead. Right now, if any of these people even notices that it is taking her a long time to get to her destination, they will likely just ask Elon Musk, or someone, to please send a battery powered helicopter to pick her up and get her there faster …

  37. Check out the picture of the interior of this “yacht”.
    It makes sense…it is a racing craft, with as little extra weight as can possibly be managed and lived with.
    Living on this thing for two weeks will make backwoods camping seem suite at the Ritz Carlton:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/07/29/15/16631266-7297405-image-a-13_1564409927698.jpg

    https://sl.sbs.com.au/public/image/file/f57d9b69-f9a4-4bec-a938-e2e8e3a3b91b

    Here is one of the picture of the sorts of conditions these boats travel through on open ocean…when there is NOT a storm:
    http://yachtboatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Ocean-Race-enters.jpg

    I think she is in for a very abrupt lesson in why people do things the way they do, and not the way she wants.

    • Yeah, but she will arrive at the other side having gained profound and deep original insights and Wisdom of the Great Sages, which she will bestow liberally to those much older and far less aware of the ultimate expression of reality, than she.

    • I can’t wait to hear all about it. This is a very good start to an exciting career. Lets hope she keeps this up.

  38. Surely the Arctic is ice free in Summer these days?
    Wouldn’t it be quicker to sail directly from Scandawegia to Canada?

  39. “Carbon free” isn’t. In addition to production, energy is required for the transportation and maintenance of the racing yacht. It’s easy to virtue-signal if you have money backing you. This is a publicity stunt, with powerful symbolism. She is (or already has) attaining cult status.

  40. “Swing-state households would lose at least $70G within first year of Green New Deal, study finds”
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/green-new-deal-swing-state-households-would-lose-70g-first-year

    “Within the first year of implementing the program, the average household in each of the given states (Alaska, Florida, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Pennsylvania) would incur at least $70,000 in expenses — followed by roughly $45,000 in annual expenses for each of the following 2-5 years and over $37,000 after that time frame.”

  41. When does she get the Nobel Peace Prize and the Oscar? Maybe Al Gore can give us the inside story ahead of the announcements.

  42. The fossil fuels used to cover her one way stunt will far exceed here pretentious conservation.
    She may have to be rescued and hospitalized.
    She will certainly not take a boat on the return trip.

  43. Perhaps a good ending to this story: A gale sends the yacht far to the north in heavy seas, where the now sick-as-a-dog crew, is trapped by sea ice. Before a rescue boat arrives, the crew, no longer seasick but nearly frozen, must kill an unvading polar bear. Greta now questions if a warmer earth and fewer polar bears might not be a better world. The media never prints another Greta story.

    • Somebody, somewhere is taking wagers on that.

      I’d be inclined to bet on, ‘Will return by boat’ but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a lot less spartan than a racing yacht. I’d also bet that someone will charter one of those luxury sailing ships to get her back.

    • If she is at all prone to motion sickness, I would expect her return trip to be by air. Being seasick is an utterly miserable condition, and after enduring it for two weeks I doubt she would want to repeat the experience.

  44. I have a few questions I would love to ask Greta:

    (1) Have you honestly examined all sides of the issue, as is required by proper science? If not, why not?
    (2) Can you name one, just one, bad weather event that has not been blamed on climate change? If everything is because of man-made climate change, how is that different than saying “God did it” for everything? Also, why was the exact same or worse bad weather in the past not climate change but today it is?
    (3) Can you name, just one, prophecy about climate change that was made about when you were born that actually came true?
    (4) Why does the solution to climate change always only require the rich countries with democracies to pay up but never the rich countries with communism or autocracies to pay up?
    (5) Do you know about the logical fallacies ad hominum and ad populum? If so, explain why do the believers in man-made climate change frequently resort to those logical fallacies?
    (6) Can you explain how something that 0.041% of the atmosphere can have an effect of the climate? Did you know that there is 22 times more argon in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide?
    (7) Did you know nature emits much much more carbon dioxide in one year than humans possibly can? Can you explain how nature knows the difference between natural carbon dioxide and human carbon dioxide?
    (8) Do you know how the rare earth metals required for wind farms and lithium batteries are mined? If so, why is the toxic environment created by mining them considered good for the environment? Where do the other metals required for wind and solar farms come from? Why is it considered green to bulldoze trees to put up solar farms?

  45. Let’s look on the bright side; perhaps she’ll discover that until now she hasn’t been living, and that sailing is the answer to all her woes – and she’ll forget about all that Green nonsense. We can hope. Get a life, Greta!

  46. Sailing across the Atlantic from the UK to NYC in August? And how are going to do this without firing up those diesel electric engines? What, are they going to rely on all the hot air coming out of the green cult’s mouth?

    The trade winds blow west along the northern Atlantic and east from the Iberian Peninsula/Africa to the Caribbean. I guarantee she will burn more fuel crossing the Atlantic from the UK to NYC in a 60′ yacht than she would by simply flying.

  47. Greta isn’t doing it. She is just a convenient cog in the sinister Green Machine.
    She will be dumped once she has outlived her usefulness.

  48. Well done to her.
    Now if all other Climate alarmist would do the same we would be free of their rubbish for months at a time.

  49. I heard Bob Dylan say that “ … when Quinn the Eskimo gets here everybody’s gonna jump for joy ! “ While am pretty sure that’s not gonna happen in the case of that girl.

    • you fail to mention that although written by Dylan it was made famous in 1968-and reached the top of the UK charts- by Manfred MANN. So, Mann is number One!

      tonyb

  50. The yacht Greta is using to travel over Atlantic has 6 person ashore team and 6 person offshore team. They are following the boat somehow, probably by flying. So probably everywhere that yacht goes, 6 person will fly after. So much for that Carbon free thing.

    Also I assume they have quit lot of spare parts and tools with them. So even if Greta would be the seventh passenger who could in theory be “carbon free”, she probably isn’t. Because all the stuff that follows the boat around world weights more than Greta.

    Also I assume that there are lot of parts that will be changed after every longer race, so probably building those parts causes more CO2 than flying one person over Atlantic.

  51. IF…we can persuade all the rest of the Green Believers to follow her lead and live without carbon usage…

    THEN… we will never hear from them again…

  52. I read all the comments to here and everyone has missed one thing: she just might, small might, actually grow up as a result of this adventure. OMG, then what will happen to all the manipulators if all of a sudden they have to deal with a grown-up?

  53. This is too funny, pretentious and poorly planned made-for-alarmists event. I’m picturing Greta and her intrepid crew arriving at New Your Harbor with salt encrusted eyebrows when the wind dies. The captain, without hesitation and thinking only of his gazillion dollar hi-tech yacht, starts the 160-hp Yanmar diesel and brings the vessel to a gentle landing at the dock. The adoring crowd on shore transitions from wild cheering to stunned silence as puffs of stinky black exhaust rise into the warming thermosphere. Blub, blub, blub.

  54. The sails are made of hydrocarbons and the hull out of carbon fiber Greta!

    Could be ‘bad’ if she realizes this mid-ocean.

  55. She should travel on the first Viking Longboat to make the cross Atlantic trip in recent memory:

    https://www.drakenhh.com/expedition-america-2016

    By no means a task for the faint of heart.
    A really tough trip, and I greatly admire the crew who lived basically under an open tarp for the entire voyage, when they weren’t on deck doing the sailing.

  56. I am not sure anyone is seeing the massive positive from all this.

    At best speed the yacht is likely to take 2 weeks to do the crossing.

    Think about it. Two weeks in a yacht instead of appearing in public demanding the right to eat our past.

    Sounds like a win-win really 😀

  57. In 1952-3 our family lived on the America’s Cup yatch Endeavour* in Moodies Boatyard Swanwick. This was a J Class boat built before the war. I was very young at the time but I remember how cramped the living space was. She is now fully restored. After losing in 1934 she raced for a couple of years then was left to rot at Swanwick by Tommy Sopwith her owner, eventually sinking in the 1970s. She is a beautiful boat but I would want to cross the Atlantic in her.

    *The story of the race series against Rainbow is a lesson to anyone who thinks that yatch racing is an honourable sport.

  58. A Guardian article on the same topic says Greta plans to visit Canada while in the US:

    “After New York, where she will take part in several meetings and protests, Greta aims to travel by train and bus to the annual UN climate conference in Chile with stops in Canada, Mexico and other countries.”

    I wonder if that will be a trip to Churchill to be further indoctrinated by Polar Bears International about the plight of the poor bears?

  59. Racing yachts are notoriously dependent on high-tech materials; carbon fiber masts, artificial fabric sails, super-light materials. Definitely NOT a “green” sport! I’ll believe she really cares about the environment when she sails over on a WOODEN ship with CANVAE sails on WOODEN spars.

  60. It’s not like there is no risk of death
    Imagine the parental wrongness should something go horribly wrong in the middle of the ocean in the middle of the night.
    So foolish, so unnecessary and frankly screamingly stupid.

  61. I’ll wager this foolish notion will be cancelled all together.
    That Greta and her parents will announce that upon further consideration they have concluded it is just not prudent to embark on such a risky endeavor.

  62. Group of ‘Climate change’ protesters instead unwittingly brought chaos to the entrance of a building which houses the offices of a leading renewable energy company.
    Climate change activists chained themselves to the wrong building in the City of London after failing to realise the fossil fuel company they wanted to disrupt had moved address last year.

  63. Her action will have zero impact. Does she not realize that any commercial flight that she would normally take to go to the conference will still fly ANYWAY. Duh.

  64. She’s 16. It’s an adventure. I hope she has fun and stays safe. I’m more worried about the millions of grown adults who take the words of a mentally ill teenager as gospel. They should know better.

    • I hope she is completely miserable (more so than usually), and she does not benefit in any way (be it adventure, monetary profit, or increased self esteem) from the lies and BS.

  65. While I admire that she’s sticking to her beliefs, she’s going to hate every minute of it and never, ever want to do it again.

    After all, I went on a 17′ racing sailboat in Lake Michigan nearly 3 years ago for Louie’s Regatta and was uncomfortable in the high waves and even 1 sailor who has been sailing longer than I’ve been alive threw up.

    Like the post pointed out, even experienced sailors get seasick when the waves are bad enough and the standard crew who usually drank ample amounts of alcohol during this race (it’s completely for fun) had nothing more than ginger ale the whole time we were on the water and I think that was only 6 foot waves on a Great Lake for a couple of hours!

    Imagine 2 weeks of weather ranging from eerily calm to 10+ foot waves and someone who isn’t even accustomed to those waters is going to want to die even more than the racers who CHOOSE to do this. With that knowledge, anyone can understand that the only way that people travel this way is by choice, after all, as soon as something far better was available it was readily abandoned for powered craft.

  66. Good for Greta. At least she thinks she is practising what she preaches, although she may be intellectually led astray by her parents and the Soylent Greens. She surely doesn’t really know any better. At least she will really make all the rest of the climate challenged, like Al Boar, look really, really stupid for flying to Chile to protest global warming. You couldn’t make this stuff up.

  67. Dear me, i am disappointed, i thought that this Child was able to walk on water, as I thought eco warriors are not of this planet.

  68. How will she come back having vomited her ring up all the way over? A boat like that is very bumpy at speed. I expect she’ll fly.

  69. And this is the easy bit. She is supposed to go on to Santiago de Chile in November. Going New York-Santiago and back by land or sea isn’t that easy.

    And finding a yacht that is crossing the Noth Atlantic in winter is going to be hard. And honestly, I wouldn’t care to be on it, even though I’m immune to seasickness.

    • That means that you will have the pleasure of her company in New York all winter . Enjoy!

  70. https://theecologist.org/2018/aug/23/extinction-rebellion-diary-1-so-it-has-come

    Perhaps if you spent less time “crying alone in the dark” due to your “depression,” left your computers and went out of doors occasionally, you’d realize that there is no such “planetary destruction” taking place.

    I’d pity you, but for the fact that you are openly advocating for the dismantling of our society. Therefore you are my avowed enemy, and rest assured that when push comes to shove, you’ll find that the many millions of us not afflicted with the curse of lifelong suspended adolescence are more than prepared to meet your threat head-on.

    Not kidding. Wish I was. None of this is even slightly funny to me any more.

  71. Sitting comfy and safe, she would have been flown with an individual fuel efficiency of 65 mpg. Yes, our rides are that much fuel efficient per passenger.

    On the other side of the equation we have CG and press choppers at departure and arrival, huge press and PR team on the move, the eventuality of a S&R party. And definitely an armada of yachts/boats full with admirers.

    Do I really need a calculator ?

  72. probably used more carbon producing parts to build boat then she would use flying.
    the fiberglass alone uses a ton of carbon based items, can’t find info now but seem to recall this desidn used a lot of carbon fiber for weight. huh….carbon used.
    https://team-malizia.com/en/boat/

  73. If she’s smart she will go visit Bernie to learn the ways of yelling combined with making a million dollars on book sales. You might have to write more than one boom though to get your own luxury yacht. Don’t forget to mine the student activity fees at college campuses for speaker fees. You could go home quite rich.

  74. So just how does she keep warm while at home? If she’s lucky enough to live in geo thermal area good for her. All I see in this girl is how easy it is to manipulate and program kids today. Which I doubt has changed that much since the 70s when I was a kid, but they were talking coming Ice Age then, all hail the great Leonard Nimoy andthe epic show In Search Of!

  75. What’s the only man-made object visible from space? St Greta virtue-signalling.

    Pity she couldn’t persuade the Green Blob to hold their bonehead conference online. Then I might start taking them seriously. But they prefer to take the “don’t do as I do, do as I say” line.

  76. I just crossed the North Sea in a 60 ft sailing boat, which is a 120 year old restored fishing vessel. 38 hours sailing from the Norwegian coast to Shetland. Even in good weather it’s non-trivial. Everyone on 4-hour watches, cooking eating and sleeping in cramped conditions. Sleeping isn’t easy in claustrophobic bunks. Some were sea-sick. Ever tried using a sea toilet in a big swell? You do get used to all of it, and when the sun shines and the boat is sailing well it’s fantastic. Then there are racing yachts, which are more like huge dinghies, much faster, but even more cramped and uncomfortable. You need to be experienced, fit, strong and tough to sail on them . Sending Greta on such a yacht would be an abuse. I predict a trial run, and the idea being dropped.

    • sonofmetman; I believe you are right. The more one thinks of little Greta on a boat like that, for two weeks, the more absurd and irresponsible the idea looks. The boat’s owner and captain should think twice about this, no matter how much PR they hope to get out of the stunt, it will backfire badly if Greta needs to be hauled aboard a helicopter after a few days.

    • “Ever tried using a sea toilet in a big swell? ”

      Sure have. I remember a cabinmate coming back from an expedition to the loo, grumbling that it should be classed as an extreme sport.

  77. I’d be interested to know, if I wanted to travel across the Atlantic on that very eco friendly yacht, ow much would it cost me? Rather more than an airfare i would bet.

    And how many people per month could practically cross the ocean that way? Very much like the solar powered plane that took over a year flying around the world, what she is really proving is that her (parents) ideas are totally impossible and pointless

  78. Greta-mania is just too stupid for words. The girl who claims to be able to see CO2 is nothing but a prop.

  79. She needs to arrange for transportation at her destination by horse and buggy. She should not make use of any goods or services that have made use of fossil fuels. That includes eating food that has been moved by truck or staying in buildings whose building materials were transported by means that made use of fossil fuels.

  80. Who knows? Perhaps she might learn something that has naught been taught to her by school, parents, or press. She might learn that we largely abandoned such modes of transport for very good reasons.

    It’ll also be a very good opportunity for her followers to get bored and go do something more interesting instead.

  81. Seems to me the “sponsors” are trolling Greta and Gang Green.
    If so more power to them.
    As many have noted,this vessel is the ultimate in hi Tech carbon fibre and very uncomfortable to boot.
    I bet Greta’s handlers pull out at the last minute,with some lame face saving excuse.

  82. Climate-mania is this decades Beatle-mania, forget One Direction todays teenage girls swoon over global warming crusaders. In a few years the posters of polar bears and glaciers will be taken down and put in the back of the wardrobe and they will be more interested in clubbing and shoes than cow farts.

  83. All of this misses the point a bit.

    Greta has said that we need to reduce emissions, inherently by using less energy. And while this mode is likely to be better than air travel, it still consumes emissions. There will be the emissions associated with the support crews and additional infrastructure for the trip. Then there will be the additional emissions as Greta tours around the USA. Tourism is known to be emission intensive.

    And the point of the trip? To go to a meeting whereby everyone has been saying the same as Greta is now, and agrees with her. Not exactly earth shattering. Oh and BTW as Greata’s generation is the only one doing anything, so these people are obviously frauds.

    Greta has missed her own point. It is not about travelling better. In many cases, it is about not travelling at all.

    • “it still consumes emissions”

      I don’t think so. Photosyntesizing plants consume emissions, but not yachts as far as I know.

  84. I need to throw my 10 cents in here. As much as I am against her false teachings; I don’t wish harm upon her. This trip could could very possibly end in a very nasty way. She’s inexperienced and sea-sickness is not a pleasant feeling (I get sick from just taking a long journey by road. I also went fishing on a canoe once and that is even more of a ghastly endeavor).

    What if the vessel runs into trouble? The crew would likely do the smart thing and radio the Coast Guard for assistance, which Greta would quickly denounce seeing that the Coast Guard would send a patrol cutter or helicopter to assist, and both of these methods of transport rely on fossil fuels. Imagine if the crew are forced to abandon ship and the Coast Guard Helicopter arrives to evacuate them, how Greta would refuse to leave the yacht and would probably throw a massive tantrum if an attempt is made to try and force her on board the helicopter. The Coast Guard would be in for a really awful day, having to put up with her screaming and crying the entire journey back to shore.

    Greta would demonize the Coast Guard for not being “emissions free”. The Coast Guard is there to save lives. These brave men and women put their lives on the line so that others may live, and many Coast Guard Personnel have sacrificed themselves to allow others a chance to continue their lives. Refusing their help is just plain ridiculous. I know this scenario may sound a bit silly, but I wouldn’t put it past someone like Greta to act in this way.

  85. “I hope that Greta’s greatest achievement will be getting the message through to the media and the politicians that they have been conned”
    I doubt it, the media and politicians work hand in hand and are part of the “con”
    As for Greta hopefully she will discover boys………

  86. Why there is no group of ‘Alarmist Rebellion’ formed yet to inform people about the truth! It is to counter the ‘Extinction Rebellion’. Science should not be allowed to continue in that path in the twenty-first century. Sensible people and true scientists should come forward. All of her talks should be boycotted. France already showed the direction. Massive protest should be launched every place where she goes to misinform the general public.

    • re: ” Why there is no group of ‘Alarmist Rebellion’ formed yet to inform people about the truth! It is to counter the ‘Extinction Rebellion’. ”

      Done in public, do you want to get rocks thrown at you?

  87. I worry about poor little Greta, that thing is a stripped down racing yacht with few creature comforts. Also the real possibility of storms (caused by climate change of course), becalming, icebergs etc. Greta is a delusional little girl, not an experienced sailor, this may not be the fun and games she is expecting – although I’m sure she’ll blame climate change for her inevitable sea sickness

  88. Yes, again it is the uber-elite crowd that supports the radical misunderstandings of this poor girl who is being used and used and used as a political propaganda tool.

    The boat is custom built for round-the-world racing at undisclosed cost by the princes of Monaco — for who money is not an issue.

    The yacht has a diesel engine and a diesel generator as a matter of course.

    But she sails like a demon dream…..and poor little Greta will have the ride of her life.

  89. Headline Greta Thunberg’s arch-nemesis, Matilda Olofsson, foils her plans once more

    “I intend to shadow Greta’s yacht with an old oil tanker I won using my mom’s credit card on eBay”

    https://spectator.us/greta-thunberg-arch-nemesis-matilda-olofsson-foils/

    Closing lines:

    My plan is to follow Thunberg’s prissy little ship in my own vessel; Greta’s Downfall, dropping five oil drums into the sea every three hours, while Uncle Jörgen shoots at them with his hunting rifle. Using Google Maps I’ve calculated that it will take us 12 days to get to New York from Gothenburg, and so for every one tonne of fuel oil Greta saves, I shall be using at least 126 tonnes.

    I cannot describe how excited I am to be contributing to the end of days. The world will burn, and I am the kindling.

    Look upon this Greta and despair: Every move you make. Every breath you take. Every bond you break. Every step you take. I’ll be thwarting you.

  90. No way to know if Greta Thunberg tends more to asperger or juvenile narcissm, as with climate change:

    Wait min. 30 years for a safer diagnosis.

  91. We’re watching you Thunberg. Everything you eat, everything you wear, everything you drink, everything you get in, on top of or under. We are the Carbon Information Agency. We don’t sleep. And we are going to ensure you get none either, worrying about being caught for carbon crime. You have been warned.

  92. It’s like the Children’s Crusade: Ignorant, pliant children pressed into service by manipulating adults for a misguided cause. It might take a generation but when more curious, courageous kids start questioning the unscientific ignorant orthodoxy of their parents, there will be a backlash against the emptiness of the AGW theory. A solar minimum will only further accelerate the assault on the AGW fable.

  93. Decent sized cyclone developing in the North Atlantic. It will be a rough crossing.

    Traveling by sailing vessel can be dangerous. My great grandfather was lost at sea when his ship capsized on the run from Dundee to London; this was in the 1890’s. The North Sea can be very rough, but the North Atlantic is worse.

  94. Across the ocean on a keel of…uranium!
    Well. I have tried to find confirmation that the keel of Malizia II is made of uranium, without luck yet. But virtually all high-performance sailing boats have keels of depleted uranium, since it’s much heavier than lead (19.1 kg/dm3 compared to 11.4 kg/dm3) it improves the performance significantly.
    Personally, I have nothing against depleted uranium being used this way. The radiation from it is insignificant.
    But I’m sure the environmentalists are dead against using uranium in any form! The mere word “uranium” for them means nukes and WWIII…
    Have Greta thought of that?

    –Ahrvid

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