Local governments should steer clear of climate dogma

Reposted from CFACT

By Charles Battig |July 27th, 2019

The County and staff have arbitrarily decided to pledge allegiance to the U.N. and adopt the Paris Climate Pledge.  Years back, during a BOS meeting, Supervisor Dennis Rooker told me the he did not see any U.N. blue helmets there in the County, when I pointed out to him the flawed climate policies of the U.N. IPCC. My how times have changed. Now the County holds the U.N. up as a standard of reference.

What is the justification or objective of this County embrace of the U.N. now?  It is unstated.  The Paris Agreement is deeply flawed in terms of any theoretical impact on global climate change or temperature because two major contributors to global CO2 (if that is the parameter being targeted) are India and China, both of which currently remain unrestrained in their use of fossil fuels by that agreement. In addition, the IPCC has based its alarmist, computer-generated predictions upon the false assumption that carbon dioxide is the prime determinant of global temperature, while ignoring the facts that water vapor (clouds) is the number one greenhouse gas, and that there exists the effect of solar interactions with cosmic particles. https://www.sciencealert.com/cosmic-rays-could-influence-cloud-cover-on-earth

China emits almost twice the amount of greenhouse gases as the US, which it surpassed in 2006 as the world’s top contributor to atmospheric carbon dioxide. Today, China accounts for approximately 23 percent of all global CO2 emissions. The United States government estimates project that, barring major reform, China will double its emissions by 2040, due to its heavy reliance on fossil fuels for steel production and electricity.

India plans to double its coal production to feed a national power grid that suffers from increasingly frequent blackouts, and is the third largest contributor to fossil fuel CO2 production.

The US has never entered into any binding treaty to curb greenhouse gases, but has cut more carbon dioxide emissions than any other nation.

Prior studies have shown the utter futility of these carbon dioxide and fossil fuel reduction schemes on a state-by-state analysis:


From which study, it was calculated that if Virginia were to cease use of all fossil fuels and CO2 production, the savings in global temperature by 2050 would be a minuscule 0.0016 degrees C.  Moreover, it would take only 50 days before global increases in CO2 production would completely wipe out that insignificant temperature saving. Anything the County is proposing will have no real or measurable effect.

County planners and climate lobbyists tout renewable energy as a replacement for fossil fuels.  Natural gas produces 35.1 percent of the kilowattage, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, and coal is responsible for 27.4 percent. Wind and solar contribute 6.6 percent and 1.6 percent.  Explain how 8 per cent wind and solar will replace 62 per cent reliable energy 24/7. During heat spells, wind activity falls, and wind turbine power output falls just when it is needed the most.

A logical conclusion is that the County staff have an agenda for wishing to ration energy in the County not related to temperature or climate change, or that they are uninformed of these climate/energy facts. The County Staff openly give away the game by using the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) as their guide.   Thus, we must then assume that they fully believe the U.N. when Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth summary report released in 2007 stated the priority: “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.”

This is the apparent County goal, and it is moving forward with the support of environmental activists and commercial enterprises hoping to profit from imposed de facto energy rationing. Members of the public at large are greatly outnumbered at relevant County hearings by special interest groups. Unelected County staff are crafting numerous schemes to ration the public’s free use of energy and modes of transportation. These schemes do not offer a cost-benefit analysis, nor do they quantify the impact on the climate. They do reflect an anti-democratic mindset which wishes to impose a government-defined bureaucratic a mode of living including unnecessarily more expensive energy, and higher taxes to subsidize commercial make-work efforts with no proof of cost effectiveness nor measurable impact on the climate.

Or as the chief of staff for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stated that her signature Green New Deal was not really about saving the planet after all.

In a report by the Washington Post, Saikat Chakrabarti revealed that “it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all … we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing.”

That “thing” is known as democracy and informed freedom of choice.

Author Charles Battig

Dr. Charles Battig is a retired physician and electrical engineer. In the 1960s he served as “principal scientist in bio-medical monitoring systems” at North American Aviation Los Angeles in support of the Apollo Moon Mission. Later he served in the U.S. Public Health Service at NIH, Bethesda MD, in the biomedical engineering branch. Following teaching appointments in anesthesiology at UCLA and Mt. Sinai, NYC, he entered the private practice of anesthesiology until retirement. Dr. Battig has long been a friend of CFACT.

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July 29, 2019 10:14 am

This is a big awake up call, to those who have had the “world is ending”climate change story constantly thrown at them.. I am guessing that they (U.N, USaAA, Europe) want the middle east and russia to collapse as gas and oil is its main income…. Ottmar Edenhofer, lead author of the IPCC’s fourth summary report released in 2007 stated the priority: “One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth

Larry Brown
Reply to  Sunny
July 29, 2019 12:38 pm

Sunny – On April 19, 2016, the Portland, OR School Board considered the passage of Resolution No. 5272. The short title was “Resolution to Develop an Implementation Plan for Climate Literacy”. The resolution required a “review of current textbooks for accuracy around the severity of the climate crisis and the impact of human activities. PPS will abandon the use of any adopted text material that is found to express doubt about the severity of the climate crisis or its root in human activities”.

That, I believe, is an excellent example of Communism at it’s finest. I believe the resolution passed unanimously. I don’t know if the resolution was challenged in the courts. I sincerely hope so.

Reply to  Larry Brown
July 29, 2019 1:43 pm

Having recently visited “colorful” Portland, OR I fully expect as much. “Amusing ignorance” is tolerable (and often amusing), but Portland borders on “dangerous ignorance”. This, I suspect, only scratches the surface on how deep the ignorance goes.
They may not be clowns, but they sure wear the uniforms proudly.

Richard of NZ
Reply to  Rocketscientist
July 29, 2019 3:09 pm

Portland (the original) is renowned for two things, its stone and its bill. It appears that Portland (Oregon) is attempting to emulate the original by being stone headed and having large bills.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Sunny
July 29, 2019 12:47 pm

Don’t be silly, Russia is DELIGHTED thyat the anti nuclear anti fracking pro windmills and magic batteries and solar panels idiots will have to rely on conventional gas

I half believe Russia is financing them Or Saudi Arabia.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Leo Smith
July 29, 2019 1:47 pm

China is the real beneficiary of the climate scam. With 1.3 billion people to feed it is rapidly assuming an aggressive imperialistic nature, much like the Nazis of Germany in the late 1920’s.

Hollywood is falling in line, just as they did in the 1930’s to Germany’s Fascism. We see it in the actors today, just as they did in the 1930’s. We see it in the movie production outfits today, with China’s Tencent Production funding large parts of many of Hollywood’s movies now, they ensure their is no anti-China message, and that where China is portrayed, it is portrayed as scientifically strong. Yet they can build their own modern jet engines and their manned spaceflight is still 1960’s Apollo-level tech in reality.

As for Russia, they are a 1-Trick Pony with their oil and natural gas reserves. That is their one economic activity that Europe needs. Like the Middle East, Russia will always have a market for their export, as the world is addicted to oil, with China very much so, and no UN COP is going to change that. The true purpose of the UN COP’s is as Dr Battig note in an oft-repeated quote, “… climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth.” With emphasis on “re-distribute” should always be made clear.

The Chinese and the UN are intent on re-ordering the World Order that emerged after 1945. And they are being assisted by an Army of Useful Idiots here in the West, also looking for their own personal fortunes.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 29, 2019 4:55 pm

Apparently, it started well before WWII. If even half of this is true, it’s truly frightening.

The Globalism of Climate: How Faux Environmental Concern Hides Desire to Rule the World

The Globalism of Climate: How Faux Environmental Concern Hides Desire to Rule the World

The Cecil Rhodes vision of global governance is well on track.
See also:
Alex Newman, New Report Exposes Rockefeller Dynasty’s Role in “Climate” Scam: ‘Basically, the Rockefeller clan is the head of the climate snake.’

Lee L
Reply to  Sunny
July 29, 2019 1:13 pm

“Instead, climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth” …. but without any consideration of how to continue to create that wealth.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Lee L
July 29, 2019 2:16 pm

They believe that wealth is found, not created. So this is not a problem in their minds.

Reply to  Paul Penrose
July 30, 2019 6:03 am

Magic Money Tree. All Out Crazy believes….

Joel Snider
Reply to  Sunny
July 29, 2019 4:13 pm

Slightly off-topic – just saw that Kamala Harris is partnering with AOC for a ‘green justice’ bill.

Gotta hand it to ’em. They can fan racial hatred while pushing the climate change fraud and exploit both of them at the same time.

It’s more than a year ’till the election – How low can they go?

July 29, 2019 10:30 am

Fix the damn science and all this BS goes away.

The fix is just a matter of acknowledging that the climate has no way to distinguish the next solar Joule from the average solar Joule yet in order to support the insane ECS claimed by the IPCC and its self serving consensus, the next W/m^2 from the Sun must contribute 4.4 W/m^2 to the surface emissions, while the average solar W/m^2 contributes only 1.62 W/m^2 to the surface emissions which is a disparity that can not be explained with the known laws of physics. Confirmation bias has deprecated the most basic constraint driving the physical world which should be an embarrassment to all involved on both sides of a debate that by all rights has no reason to have ever existed in the first place.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 29, 2019 11:09 am

As long as you’re dressed a certain way, positioned a certain way in society, speak a certain way, at certain times, it doesn’t matter. Being convincing is not about being truthful. It’s about who puts on the best show, who has the most posters, who has the most money, … .

Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 29, 2019 11:54 am

Fix the damn science and all this BS goes away.

No it won’t. Yes, much of the science is broken, but it doesn’t matter. Quoting bad science (BS) is the means they use to reach a goal of more money, total power, and total control.


Reply to  Jim Masterson
July 29, 2019 12:41 pm

They’ll just shift to something else. The possibilities are limited only by the human imagination. Human gullibility is unlimited, of course.

Reply to  Jim Masterson
July 29, 2019 12:57 pm

Broken science is so widely quoted because those incapable of doing the due diligence are deluded into believing that what’s being quoted isn’t broken. This includes many Republican politicians, who are unable or unwilling to challenge the broken science, but are otherwise opposed to the obvious futility of the proposed remedies. Fixing the science must include a very public beat down of the IPCC exposing its conflict of interest with the UNFCCC’s charter that enabled confirmation bias to break the science in the first place. The truth must become so self evident that it becomes nearly impossible to fool anyone anymore.

Tom Halla
July 29, 2019 10:44 am

“Watermelon” is an appropriate epithet for the green blob.

Mark Broderick
July 29, 2019 10:53 am

Sorry, I’ve never heard of you before, but your post is dead on ! (Expect a lot of flak.., ““The flak only gets heavy when you’re over the target.”

July 29, 2019 11:03 am

Local governments should steer clear of climate dogma

But they don’t. My local government is no exception. The tentacles of the IPCC have reached deeply to infect so many.

Dave Ward
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
July 29, 2019 1:15 pm

“But they don’t”

Of course they don’t – they have their own organisation specifically devoted to pushing the UN2030 agenda:

“ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability is a global network of more than 1,750 local and regional governments committed to sustainable urban development”

“What we do”: https://www.iclei.org/en/what_we_do.html

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
July 29, 2019 2:22 pm

Local Government are just like 3rd world countries/Pacific Island nations in this regard. If they stay on narrative and propose the “right ” kind of projects they can tap a rich vein of funding that was never before available.

In my region local govts are climbing on board. One recently gained funding to turn are nice stretch of bayside beach in an upmarket area into a concrete monstrosity because of the imminent horrors of accelerated and flooding (in models at least)

John Garrett
July 29, 2019 11:15 am

Charlottesville is now full of fruitcakes and nutjobs thanks to Mr. Jefferson’s Academical Village and the invasion of immigrants and retirees fleeing D.C., NYC and Hollyweird.

July 29, 2019 11:16 am

The County and staff have arbitrarily decided to pledge allegiance to the U.N. …

I can’t find an independent verification of that.

I’m pretty sure it’s illegal and maybe treasonous for civic officials to pledge allegiance to any kind of foreign government.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  commieBob
July 29, 2019 12:39 pm

It’s a fine line, innit? Those who are beholden to the Paris “Agreement” and who pledge themselves to it, are, in my book, borderline traitors. The ultimate goal of UNIPCC appears to be world government.

Reply to  commieBob
July 29, 2019 1:49 pm

A U.S. state can not enter into an international treaty. The Paris Accord is under the UNFCCC treaty.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  commieBob
July 29, 2019 1:55 pm

The curious thing going forward is where we see State legislators effectively pledging allegiance to the UN led climate scam.
The US Constitution makes clear that every State-level officers,legislators, and judges must also pledge allegiance to the US Constitution, just like every Federal officer, judge, and Congresspeople must.

Article VI, paragraph 3: “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; …”

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 29, 2019 2:12 pm

This is one clear instance where Federal supremacy would hold.
If a State legislator, judge, or officer ever openly repudiated their oath of allegiance to the US Constitution, they could be removed from their state office by a judicial order from a Federal judge. No different than a Federal judge striking down a state law that infringes on a Constitutional right.

July 29, 2019 11:19 am

It would be great to have a Leontief model of carbon to show how much CO2 emissions are coming from County imports of goods from China and India. The lack of such accounting is allowing the disconnect to continue and too much cost-free virtue signaling to go on.

That’s not even getting to the fact checking of agenda science behind it all.

michael hart
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 29, 2019 2:04 pm

Yes. Even a bit of honest accounting should be enough to run these charlatans out of town. The numbers don’t add up in the economics just as much as they don’t add up in the science.

Joel Snider
July 29, 2019 11:22 am

A very large part of the progressive methodology is to undermine the Republic at the local level.

Reply to  Joel Snider
July 29, 2019 12:52 pm

+1 From the bottom up to the top down.

Samuel C Cogar
July 29, 2019 11:24 am

But, but, but, …….. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is now being paid more money, with entitlements and paid expenses, …… than she ever thought would be possible.

And she now knows there is far, far more to be easily gotten.

July 29, 2019 11:27 am

Hmmn, let’s see. Albemarle County in Virginia has as it’s county seat, Charlottesville. Other than an Independent Mayor, the rest of the City Council belong to the Democrat Party. It also votes heavily Democrat, and has since 1976.
Should we be surprised when this county looks to the U.N. for it’s facts & figures, to promote whatever agenda they are seeking?

July 29, 2019 11:51 am

re: “Dr. Charles Battig is a retired physician and electrical engineer.

Dr. Charles Battig, have you ever met or reviewed the work by the Harvard-trained MD named Dr. Randell L. Mills?

You two might find something in common to talk about …

July 29, 2019 12:07 pm

Throughout history, totalitarians always seem compelled to bring us to a perfect life.
In the early 1900s International Socialists were out to create the “Perfect Man”.
Then, it was National Socialists driven to provide the “perfect” race and land space.
And now, “they” are out to set the temperature of the nearest planet at the “perfect” temperature.
To an accuracy of plus or minus half a degree Kelvin.
Audacity without precedent.

July 29, 2019 12:10 pm

well, at least they’re [VA] cutting down forests to put in solar farms. baby steps.

Sweet Old Bob
July 29, 2019 12:21 pm

More lemmings racing to the butt kissing festival…. 😉

Pat Frank
July 29, 2019 12:29 pm

I think we need to be a bit careful with hyperbole.

I’ve searched the Virginia County of Albemarle website and looked at their climate resolution and at their We Are Still In It declaration about the Paris Agreement.

I didn’t see anything about a pledge of allegiance to the UN. The Albemarle officials are green nut-cases, but they write as citizens.

They do justify themselves with utterly false claims, such as “In the U.S., it is local, tribal, and state governments, along with businesses, that are primarily responsible for the dramatic decrease in greenhouse gas emissions in recent years.” when we all know that CO2 emissions reduction in the US is due to the switch to cheaper natural gas from coal — and thank-you fracking for that.

Local, tribal, and state governments had nothing to do with it.

An irony is that the Albemarle County declarations revile the the Trump administration, which has encouraged the very fracking that has reduced US CO2 emissions. The prior Obama administration, presumably admired in Albemarle County, did everything it could to restrict fracking and thus keep CO2 emissions high (For a prediction of the Obama strategy outcome see Germany’s static CO2 emissions, despite Germany’s enormous expenditures on supposed renewables).

They also claim that, “American communities are facing unprecedented impacts from climate disasters that science shows are increasing in frequency and severity.” when science shows no particular change in severity, duration, or frequency of any “climate disasters” or extreme weather.

One hopes for outbreaks of residual sanity among the Albemarle officials when they consider other initiatives.

Reply to  Pat Frank
July 29, 2019 2:56 pm

Not so much hyperbole here:

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If NC pledges to the Paris Agreement, and the United Nations is the source of the Paris Agreement, then NC pledges to the source of the Paris Agreement, namely to the United Nations.

Hyperbole at a distance? (^_^)

Russell Johnson
July 29, 2019 12:51 pm

Virtue signaling is the highest form of stupidity in our twisted society. Perverted science kicked off the climate change movement but lies have prolonged the agony. Cities, counties and states have drunk the kool-aid implementing laws and rules to reduce greenhouse gases with no effect on climate whatsoever. All they’re doing is stealing your hard earned money when they pledge allegiance to the UN, Paris et al.

July 29, 2019 1:12 pm

“Greta Thunberg will sail to climate summit in zero-carbon yacht
The answer for Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old Swedish climate change activist, is to team up with Monaco’s royal family and sail from Britain across the Atlantic next month in a “zero-carbon” racing yacht.”
Ah, yes, the zero carbon manufactured luxury ocean racing yachts are a novelty; not many know that.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Vuk
July 29, 2019 2:24 pm

How do you make a racing yacht that has no carbon molecules in it?

Reply to  Paul Penrose
July 30, 2019 6:22 am

Pray for hurricanes……

July 29, 2019 1:14 pm

Saying” water vapor (clouds)” is misleading. Water vapor is a transparent greenhouse gas with particle size a single molecule. If you can see it, it is condensed water (which might be frozen), particle size typically millions of molecules. Water vapor molecules, as a gas, absorb/emit significantly only at specific wavelengths. Condensed water or ice particles do not have these wavelength limits on absorb/emit and they also reflect.

Joel O'Bryan
July 29, 2019 1:32 pm

So these local officials are responding with what they are being “programmed” to do. Virtue signaling – wanting to appear to be “PC” and aligned with the climate hysteria, even though it is all meaningless even if you accept the climate model junk. We live in a New Age of Science little different from the one of burning witches to stop bad things from happening 300 years ago. It is all Cargo Cult Science from the Climate Change pseudoscience community.

The public is being lied to under the workings of a very sophisticated, coordinated propaganda campaign.
All the major media outlets and most major newspapers now have editorial directives to their writers and reporters to weave in a Climate Change narrative to their stories/reports wherever they can. It is all part of the Climate Propaganda being financed by the GreenSlime, mostly billionaires, hedge funds, and Left-leaning wealthy philanthropic “charities” promoting the climate porn onslaught. They are heavily invested in the renewable wind and solar scam of course as their true motive. And harvesting vast amounts of money from a large middle class is their confidence game under the ruse of a climate alarmism scam.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 29, 2019 4:19 pm

“…All the major media outlets and most major newspapers now have editorial directives to their writers and reporters to weave in a Climate Change narrative to their stories/reports wherever they can….” +1 and it’s obvious. However, I think the scam goes beyond rich people making money off of it. They’re just useful idiots captured by the promise of easy money. It’s the UN making a power grab for the world. The Marxists populated the UN with fellow travelers and this is their grand plan financed by countries, not individual people. There are some individuals invested in the ideology …. Soros, Rockefeller, Bloomberg, and the like around the world because they believe Democracy and free enterprise is the root of all evil despite it putting them where they reside today.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  markl
July 29, 2019 5:51 pm

Climate Change makes allies of diverse groups each with different agendas.
It offers the opportunity for governments to increase taxation (carbon taxes), so the public unions get on board the scam. The GreenSlime is onboard the Climate Change train for the promise of renewable energy riches as early investors in the hustle. Democrats ride the rain for more political power. The Green groups, many of the rank and file no doubt believe its for the environment, but the leadership of those groups are riding for power and money.
The Revolutionaries, socialists, and anarchists are riding it for the misguided ideology.

There something there for everyone, except the middle class. It’s the middle class that gets fleeced in the best case, in the worst case its Communism and a sharp curtailment of liberties of totalitarian nation-states. Even China and Russia make out via the destruction of the US military as economic power is what allows power projection and sustainment of the world order since WW2.

Reply to  markl
July 30, 2019 10:38 am

RE: “they believe Democracy and free enterprise is the root of all evil despite it putting them where they reside today.” Because, not despite.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 30, 2019 4:20 am

All the major media outlets and most major newspapers now have editorial directives to their writers and reporters to weave in a Climate Change narrative to their stories/reports wherever they can.

It has been my learned opinion, for the past 30+ years, that the Charleston Gazette, printed/published in Charleston, WV, ….. and which bills itself as “The State’s Newspaper”, ……. has been doing exactly what is stated above, ……. thus, the CG is little more than the PR arm of the State’s Democrat Party.

And the CG served the Party well, because the Democrats held total power of the West Virginia Legislature for 70+ years.

old engineer
July 29, 2019 2:30 pm

Charles Batting-

Welcome to the club. I see that Albemarle county has a population of about 108,000 people, yet the “act local” warmistas have found you too. You are not alone, Every city and county in the U.S. is targeted for a “Climate Action Plan.” The larger U,S. cities already have them.

Those of you who have commented so blithely – google “climate action plan” and put in the name of your city. You will find that your city (or county) has a climate action plan also. Chances are your city also has a “Dept. of Sustainability” that developed the plan with a grant from one of the usual suspects. Chances are also good that you heard nothing about it adoption.

The people who developed these plans are deadly serious, an your wellbeing WILL be affected. YOU (and by that I mean we) must do more than comment on WUWT. WE must actively fight these plans at the local level, even though it is late in the game. The time we should have been noticing this was 2 or 3 years ago!

If you don’t feel fear and trepidation about these plans, then you don’t understand the enemy, and what they are doing. They are serious, well organized, and well-funded. They have the local media on their side also. But, for the most part, the local supporters are good people who really think they are “saving the world,” so it is difficult to get public opinion against them.

Those of us that oppose these plans, are scattered, not organized at all, and, of course, are not funded. We need a champion! Alas, I fear that one will not be forthcoming, and we will be victims of the coming economic ruin along with everyone else.

Robert of Texas
July 29, 2019 2:43 pm

Used to be “virtue” was demonstrated by how many verses of the bible you could quote, and by volunteering for highly visible public duties. As people have walked away from spiritual religion, and now everyone works all day with little free time, virtue signaling has morphed into getting behind a “cause”. By declaring global warming to be the most dangerous event mankind has ever faced, they make it easy to choose for demonstrating one’s virtue.

What is ironic is the same primitive impulses that caused people to create religions – to help explain and control what they could not otherwise understand – are the exact same impulses that are driving people to a fanatic AGW belief. In other words, they have invented a new religion that sounds more “science-y” and therefore is acceptable to their peers.

People simply cannot grasp that the only thing that is changing quickly is how fast we get our news (fake or truthful), and how far we can regurgitate it in social media. It makes it seem like we are surrounded by more and more disasters and scary weather, when in fact we are not. This fear of increasing disasters drives the need for the religion – so that we can take action and control the scary forces of nature (we can’t).

Religions make cultures, kingdoms, and empires do funny things – including imploding. And it isn’t until the harm is done that people wake up and realize it was all a bunch of phooey.

July 29, 2019 2:56 pm

Don’t argue this:

“…that carbon dioxide is the prime determinant of global temperature, while ignoring the facts that water vapor (clouds) is the number one greenhouse gas, and that there exists the effect of solar interactions with cosmic particles.”

Argue the economics.

# They are wasting money.
# They are wasting money because of the IPCC and the IPCC is wrong.

They’ll say the IPCC is right. They’ve countered you. They can’t counter the first argument. They have countered you so much, they are wasting money. You point to the science and the problem is wasting money. Try to win.

Mark Broderick
July 29, 2019 3:39 pm

OT but kinda funny…..
“Greta Thunberg to sail to New York climate summit in racing yacht”

“Swedish teen activist will cross the Atlantic in hurricane season by boat for a four-month tour of the Americas, rather than take a high-carbon flight”

Hmmmm, sailboat….hurricane season ? Yup, the Stupid is Strong here. D’OH !

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  Mark Broderick
July 30, 2019 9:58 am

Hope for only rough seas … that way she can be seasick green !
Maybe she can puke her guts out . Doesn’t seem to need to worry about her brain .

July 29, 2019 4:36 pm

The IPCC does know that water vapor is the number one greenhouse gas. The 3.7 W/m^2 per 2xCO2 figure is figured with the atmosphere’s normal water vapor presence. The flaw in most of the CMIP5 climate models is the amount of warming from feedbacks, because climate models attribute about. 2 degree C more warming from 1975 to 2005 to positive feedback on warming from man-made increase of greenhouse gases than was actually the case, because the models did not consider warming from upswing of multidecadal oscillations from 1975 to 2005.

July 29, 2019 4:51 pm

Nothing has been left out.
* It guarantees both birth control and death control.
* It promises the basic essentials of life in return for submission.
* It exchanges critical thinking for re-education and brainwashing.
* It destroys the epicenter of the family, society, and culture, allowing only one way to live. It groups the population into small contained areas to be more easily controlled.
* It takes away from some to give to others who will be more easily managed by the promise of a full belly and a warm shelter.
It’s a parasitical representation of the 1%, feeding on the 99.
Agenda 21.
Dumb down.
And it’s only going to get worse.

July 29, 2019 5:02 pm

I thought commerce clause in constitution was suppose to eliminate all these local governments from being able to change the business rules. It is very disruptive to the economy and business if they have to confirm to multiple rules.

July 29, 2019 5:35 pm

The virtue signalling by Councils declaring a “climate emergency” is spreading faster than the 1919 Spanish flu epidemic did.
In Australia, Sydney City Council and Noosa Shire Council have already made the announcement and Brisbane City Council is on the brink of doing so.
What this means in practical terms is dubious other than to divert attention from more pressing issues including infrastructure management etc.
No, ‘you can’t fix stupid’ and the popular delusion of saving the planet may have to play out like tulip mania.

July 30, 2019 9:17 am

https://youtu.be/8sGJIgSmIn8 Is the ENCYCLICAL LETTER
ON CARE FOR OUR COMMON HOME simply a ‘sola scriptura’ reconfigured-rhetoric into a PapalGanda on ecumenicism and one world religion? – simply, is this a pope promoting of environmentalism as global religion propaganda from the seat of Peter? The seat of Peter (has an audience) so it is a heck of a PR coup social-platform favoring the climate-change-science-is-consensus group vs double-blinded-research= real science group. Now, in modern times, the ‘pope’ suggests that new Catholic dogma can be based on consensus instead of Truth of even provable science.

July 30, 2019 2:27 pm

Following my earlier post mentioning Brisbane City Council being on the brink of passing a resolution declaring a climate emergency, some good news.
Yesterday after a wave of local outrage against Greens Councillor Jonathan Sri who had foolishly compared protestors repeated illegal blocking of Brisbane streets with the nation’s Anzac Day parades,Cr. Sri lost his proposed motion declaring a “climate emergency” with ALP and LNP Councillors calling the motion “alarmist” and “ extremist”.
Councillor Sri’s comparison of Extinction Rebellion protestors to parades by military personnel has been a spectacular own goal.
So now we have a “climate emergency” in Sydney but none in Brisbane!

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