House Democrats Reveal Climate Change Agenda, Ding Ocasio-Cortez’s ‘Socialist Climate Policies’

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  • July 23, 2019 4:49 PM ET

    House Democrats rolled out a climate agenda Tuesday as their caucus attempts to draw a distinction between New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s approach to tackling global warming and a more moderate plan.

    Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee announced they would pursue legislation calling for net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, a far less ambitious plan than the Green New Deal, which aims to complete the emissions target by 2030. Democrats criticized Ocasio-Cortez’s idea during the roll-out.

    “The majority of the Democratic caucus is behind aggressive, but not socialist, climate policies,” Paul Bledsoe, who advised former President Bill Clinton on climate issues, told reporters, according to Bloomberg. “They worry the Green New Deal rhetoric could alienate rather than attract swing voters needed in 2020.”

    U.S. Representative Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Markey hold a news conference for their proposed "Green New Deal" at the U.S. Capitol in Washington

    U.S. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Senator Ed Markey (D-MA) hold a news conference for their proposed “Green New Deal” to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions in 10 years, at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, U.S. February 7, 2019. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

    “The climate crisis is here, and it requires serious federal leadership that’s up for the challenge,” Rep. Frank Pallone of New Jersey told reporters.

    Reps. Paul Tonko, head of the Environment and Climate Change subcommitee, and Bobby Rush of Illinois, head of the energy subcommittee joined Pallone in the press conference. Ocasio-Cortez didn’t attend, Bloomberg reported.

    The GND, as it has come to be known, sought for a “10-year national mobilization” to shift the country to 100% “zero-emission energy sources” — a lofty mission given that fossil fuels account for more than 80% of U.S. energy consumption in 2018. (RELATED: The Green New Deal Would Cause ‘Significant Environmental Damage,’ Report Finds)

    Ocasio-Cortez’s brainchild was torpedoed in the Senate in March after Republicans voted en masse against the resolution while most Democrats voted present.

    Tuesday’s proposal also comes as President Donald Trump attempts to associate moderate House Democrats with left-wing members of the caucus. Some House Democrats believe they played right into the president’s hands after they voted on a July 17 resolution condemning Trump’s tweets targeting Ocasio-Cortez and Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota.

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    HotScot
    July 25, 2019 2:06 pm

    “The majority of the Democratic caucus is behind aggressive, but not socialist, climate policies,” Paul Bledsoe, who advised former President Bill Clinton on climate issues, told reporters, according to Bloomberg.

    Oh my. Is that an admission that climate change is a political, not a scientific issue?

    michael hart
    Reply to  HotScot
    July 25, 2019 3:50 pm

    My thoughts, too, HotScot. They are admitting that they think voting for a communistic agenda (let’s call it as it is) is part of what voters are being asked to vote for, or against, when global-warming is the subject under discussion.

    Remarkably candid.
    Wise? We shall see. Unlike climate models, we don’t have to wait the best part of a century before a politician is seen to be a failure.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  michael hart
    July 25, 2019 5:22 pm

    They are saying the “Squad,” Markley, et. al. are socialists. Its going to be hard to deny that when the Republican fact checkers get started for the next election.

    2hotel9
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 26, 2019 5:15 am

    Especially since they all have publicly proclaimed themselves proud socialists. Words have meanings, and in the electronic age the words you speak in public are eternally available for said public to review.

    Sommer
    Reply to  2hotel9
    July 26, 2019 9:56 am

    “…..in the electronic age the words you speak in public are eternally available for said public to review.”

    ..provided you take a screenshot and save it somehow, before a ‘reputation manager’ scrubs it.

    2hotel9
    Reply to  Sommer
    July 27, 2019 5:00 am

    They can try. As Shrillary learned, even bleachbit does not remove what has entered the intrawebsthingy, and smashing hard drives only works if that drive had never been connected to the intratubes. Once it is out there it is always out there and someone can dredge it up.

    Ron Long
    Reply to  HotScot
    July 25, 2019 6:02 pm

    Yes and not only that, HotScot, it’s even modified science to win an election. Outright Socialism is tooo much, so let’s throttle it back to a level that is just normal stupid. There, fixed it.

    Leo Smith
    Reply to  HotScot
    July 25, 2019 10:52 pm

    “They worry the Green New Deal rhetoric could alienate rather than attract swing voters needed in 2020”

    says absolutlely its politics, and politics of the Left which is all about what message the electorate will swallow.

    Not about what policies will achieve necessary and desired change.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Leo Smith
    July 25, 2019 10:58 pm

    What sort of change are we talking about, Leo? The world seems to be on mostly good trajectories now. Lifespan, etc.

    colin
    Reply to  HotScot
    July 26, 2019 8:26 am

    calling the GND socialist is clever misdirection. None of the socialist/communist countries are restricting carbon or care about warming: China, NK, Cuba, Venezuela ( Russia maybe??).

    this is a typical RICH COUNTRY self deprecation scheme, nothing to do with Socialism. NOTHING.

    Red94ViperRT10
    Reply to  colin
    July 26, 2019 9:48 am

    But you have it bass-ackwards… the GND (IIRC, climate change is in the first paragraph) has nothing to do with climate and everything to do with socialism. The latest press release (I’d call it GND-Light, but wasn’t that title already stolen by some Republican’s stinking pile of manure Cap-And-Trade bill?), changing the timescale from 11 years to 31 years, is the same thing only slower. So in a way you are correct, Climate Change and these socialism bills have nothing to do with each other!

    DanQuébec
    Reply to  colin
    July 26, 2019 11:06 pm

    Indeed, Colin. It looks more like a political religion, where you must «believe» in alarming climate change/global warming, because it’s «the Truth». No dissent. In that sense you could call it the religious right. However, the taxpayers’ money spending and the impact of the government with Cortez’ Green New Deal in the economy is typical leftwing and is bad for structural growth.

    2hotel9
    Reply to  colin
    July 27, 2019 4:52 am

    Except that it is the blueprint for socialism in America. You know that.

    J Mac
    Reply to  HotScot
    July 26, 2019 12:31 pm

    ‘Climate policies’ are aggressive socialism. There’s no escaping the fact that ‘climate change’ is the green face of the socialist agenda.

    BRYAN ST. JOHN
    Reply to  HotScot
    July 26, 2019 8:29 pm

    Democrats are against white people. They are actively creating concentration camps for anyone born with white skin colors, including Latinos that “look too white.” Protect yourself, don’t where sunscreen. If you look white you will be a victim of their racism! They are primarily targeting Jews, but every white person can be a victim of their concentration camps. Specifically avoid @A0C pages, this is where they find their victims. Anyone @AOC defines as white is kidnapped and sent to a camp to die!

    Michael 2
    Reply to  BRYAN ST. JOHN
    July 27, 2019 8:08 pm

    I’m trying to think of some sort of rebuttal but this one is too far out there. Perhaps you could identify by GPS (Google Earth) coordinates some of these camps. They might turn out to be ordinary Boy Scout camps.

    Dave Fair
    July 25, 2019 2:08 pm

    The Democrat leadership wants to go to socialism over 30 years rather than within 10 years? No cost estimate? Yeah, the American voter will go for that.

    n.n
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 25, 2019 3:54 pm

    Monopolies and practices, and democratic leverage to suppress the population. Their old mainstays of alleging diversity, phobias, and other prejudices have a progressive effect in a population that is growing wary of witch hunts and warlock trials, and, of course, the liberal bigotry (i.e. sanctimonious hypocrisy).

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  n.n
    July 25, 2019 5:33 pm

    Unbelievable! The Hill is reporting on how the Republican establishment is using Frank Lutz to help them message Democrat insanity for conservative voters. I guess the old Soviets were right in saying they would sell the West the rope to hang themselves.

    Any Republican that jumps on the Democrat’s climate bandwagon deserves what he gets from an electorate that won’t pay a dime for green fantasies. Wife, where did you put my Yellow Vest?

    n.n
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 25, 2019 6:37 pm

    Principles are general statements of character. However, beware overlapping and converging interests.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  n.n
    July 25, 2019 7:55 pm

    Intersectionality on steroids.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  n.n
    July 25, 2019 8:38 pm

    Whores by any other name.

    DonM
    Reply to  n.n
    July 26, 2019 2:24 pm

    I’m to much of a gentleman, I’m still going to call her Hillary.

    Mark
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 26, 2019 1:24 am

    It’s like starting the frog in cold water and slowly turning up the heat.

    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 26, 2019 4:32 am

    Gillibrand unveils $10 trillion plan to combat climate change

    Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand is pledging that if elected to the White House, she’ll spend $10 trillion over the next 10 years in both taxpayer dollars and private funding to tackle climate change and implement the goals of the ‘Green New Deal.’
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gillibrand-unveils-10-trillion-plan-to-combat-climate-change

    July 25, 2019 2:16 pm

    Hitting yourself on the head with a 5 lb sledge hammer isn’t much different than using a 10 lb hammer, especially when there’s no good reason to hit yourself in the head with a hammer in the first place.

    Dan J. Cody
    July 25, 2019 2:49 pm

    A.O.C. – Annoying Obtrusive Conundrum.

    Miles
    Reply to  Dan J. Cody
    July 25, 2019 5:42 pm

    Annoying Obtrusive COMMUNISTA

    FIFY
    No quandary about her at all.

    Walter Sobchak
    Reply to  Dan J. Cody
    July 25, 2019 6:50 pm

    An Obnoxious C******

    Greg Cavanagh
    Reply to  Walter Sobchak
    July 25, 2019 7:10 pm

    Cow?

    yirgach
    Reply to  Greg Cavanagh
    July 26, 2019 8:49 am

    Oh, oh – lets play Charades!


    Pulls on earlobe
    Sets stance as if to bunt

    H.R.
    Reply to  Walter Sobchak
    July 25, 2019 7:42 pm

    That’s the first time I’ve seen that one, Walter, and I think it is (sadly) the best yet.

    Bryan A
    Reply to  Walter Sobchak
    July 25, 2019 7:42 pm

    Walt, it is perfectly acceptable to say:
    Communist
    Clashist
    Cash-seeker
    Cretin
    Child
    Chartist

    Ragnaar
    Reply to  Dan J. Cody
    July 26, 2019 5:16 am

    High level discourse.

    MarkW
    Reply to  Ragnaar
    July 26, 2019 7:22 am

    Those being ridiculed always seek to end the discussion.

    Ragnaar
    Reply to  MarkW
    July 26, 2019 10:01 am

    Nice discussion we have on this thread.

    Reply to  Ragnaar
    July 26, 2019 9:08 am

    High level discourse.

    And YOU are participating in it. The sarcasm, thus, would seem to apply to yourself.

    July 25, 2019 2:52 pm

    The attempt to find a non-socialist central planning for energy is to reveal the notion is an oxymoron. Central planning is socialism, no matter what one calls it.

    Gamecock
    Reply to  Tom Halla
    July 25, 2019 4:05 pm

    Not exactly, Tom.

    Fascism is strong, autocratic central control of a private economy. Communism is the same, with a government economy.

    So “central planning” could be fascism. It depends on who owns the means of production.

    With 170,000 pages in the Federal Register, it is clear the U.S. is fascist. Not socialist as people still own businesses, not the government.

    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 25, 2019 4:29 pm

    Whether it is brown socialism under the Fascists, or Red socialism under the Marxists, it is still socialism. Trying to call the Fascists and NSDAP “right wing” was a Stalinist bit of agitprop. Try paying attention to what the Italian or German fascists did as far as economic planning, and it was quite socialist.

    H.R.
    Reply to  Tom Halla
    July 25, 2019 7:49 pm

    Yup, Tom. Fascism was “Third Way Socialism.” Our *ahem* beloved Franklin D. Roosevelt was enamored with the idea. Our Billy and Hilly Clinton were also partial to it… ripe for kickbacks from those the government favored, don’cha know. What’s not to like?

    Gamecock
    Reply to  Tom Halla
    July 26, 2019 5:10 am

    socialism noun
    so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm
    \
    Definition of socialism

    1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

    You are simply wrong, Tom.

    beng135
    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 26, 2019 7:01 am

    Word-smithing in the dictionary from the progressives/socialists/marxists/communists/leninists/stalinists/statists to cause confusion such as you demonstrate — those are all different flavors of the same basic government-controlled systems. In fascism, government simply dictates/controls the pseudo-private industries.

    MarkW
    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 26, 2019 7:25 am

    Without control, ownership is meaningless.
    Controlling industry without technically taking control of it may not meet the dictionary definition of socialism, but those who suffer under it can’t tell the difference.

    Gamecock
    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 26, 2019 9:39 am

    They don’t suffer, Mark. They eventually stop fighting and cooperate with the government. If your company is well capitalized, you can kill competition by cooperating with government regulators. Yeah, it will cost you more, but you get a monopoly.

    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 26, 2019 10:02 am

    Controlling something absolutely is de-facto ownership, even if one does not have nominal title. The Nazis and Italian Fascists were control freaks, as an earlier commenter noted, controlling wages, prices, and what was to be produced.

    Michael 2
    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 27, 2019 8:14 pm

    “Not socialist as people still own businesses, not the government.”

    Government controls essentially all business in the United States through a blizzard of laws and regulations. The “administration” of the means of production is almost entirely and exclusively government regulated, right down to mandating the pronouns that you must use when referring to employees and customers (EEOC regulations).

    A minor distinction between Socialism and Communism is that in the latter, government does actually own businesses, where in Socialism, a human person nominally “owns” the business but is still managed by government regulations.

    The distinction also plays into who receives the profits, if any, of the operation. High rates of taxation effectively transfer “ownership” to government; it gets the proceeds of the business, it deploys the regulations governing the operation of the business.

    In theory, the company need not be taxed at all since employees and owners are taxed personally. But taxing the company reduces the available income for employees and owners, who then pay less tax; in the end it probably works out the same, maybe even worse for government.

    sendergreen
    Reply to  Michael 2
    July 28, 2019 5:09 am

    Two words end this debate.

    Eminent Domain.

    Red94ViperRT10
    Reply to  Gamecock
    July 26, 2019 6:07 am

    Under fascism the businesses may have been, technically, still in private hands, but the Nazi Party (fascists) told them what to produce, how much to produce, who to hire and what to pay them. The same central control. A rose by any other name that, in this case, would still stink!

    beng135
    Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
    July 26, 2019 7:41 am

    Exactly. What I wonder is how so many are fooled by such kindergarten-level deceptions such as changing the names.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Tom Halla
    July 25, 2019 5:45 pm

    + whatever it takes to show contempt for central planners.

    sendergreen
    July 25, 2019 2:53 pm

    There is no two different levels of Climate Change Policy out of the Democratic Party. The “squad show” is pure theatre.

    Ye old “Good Cop – Bad Cop” routine.

    The goal isn’t climate, it’s socialism.

    Dan J. Cody
    Reply to  sendergreen
    July 25, 2019 3:07 pm

    Anthony Watts is a very bright guy…and powerful too.The women find him electrifying because he’s such a light- hearted guy ! He’s always the power company’s employee of the month.His favorite band is the Electric Light Orchestra – E.L.O.

    Juan Slayton
    Reply to  Dan J. Cody
    July 25, 2019 5:40 pm

    Well, I heard that when he was a kid, he was so bright they called him “Sunny.”
    : > )

    brians356
    July 25, 2019 2:59 pm

    I said from day one that GND would be a “good cop / bad cop” ruse. Here comes the sighs of relief and eager graspings of the “sensible climate control” (sound familiar, gun owners?) mandates.

    Gunga Din
    Reply to  brians356
    July 26, 2019 6:04 am

    The Nut from New York gets the headlines because she makes the rest of the nuts sound less cracked.

    Dr. Bob
    July 25, 2019 3:01 pm

    One can only wonder how democrats will expect to get the labor unions to agree with their plans, either the GND or others, when they want to put 2 million people out of work. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Fossil-Fuel-Industry-May-Not-Help-the-Planet-But-It-Employs-Millions.html#

    I actually see not difference between any democrat plan that wants to get to zero carbon emissions in any amount of years. It simply cannot happen, nor should it. There simply is no way to run the economy on electricity alone and it would be incredibly expensive to try to do so, as we all realize. So what do the Dems think they will gain by pushing this agenda when it is so easy to prove it futile by just looking at the growth of CO2 emissions in China, let alone the rest of the developing nations. This will be easy pickings in a debate.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Dr. Bob
    July 25, 2019 8:00 pm

    Don’t write them off so soon, Dr. Bob. The Dems will convince the union bosses that all the new green jobs will be union.

    beng135
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 26, 2019 9:12 am

    Don’t even need to do that. Just pay off the bosses, or put the squeeze on them by other, more thuggish means…

    n.n
    July 25, 2019 3:06 pm

    So… it’s no longer anthropogenic or catastrophic. A welcome development, that may justify mitigation, assuming that they can make a case for their hypothesis, without appeals to empathy/emotion.

    Michael H Anderson
    Reply to  n.n
    July 25, 2019 5:09 pm

    Always in favor of finding new ways to mitigate socialism! 😉

    Robert of Texas
    July 25, 2019 3:55 pm

    Hey, wait a minute here… (Checking my calendar…)

    Aren’t we supposed to all be dead by 2031? So they are proposing a plan that they know they will never have to implement, or they are admitting that global warming is way over-hyped…which is it?

    Nigel in California
    Reply to  Robert of Texas
    July 25, 2019 6:38 pm

    Exactly. They are swapping one doomsday for a different doomsday. Hold on a second!! What happened to the first doomsday???

    2hotel9
    July 25, 2019 4:03 pm

    So, GND with a different name attached. Okey dokey, then.

    Joel Snider
    July 25, 2019 4:22 pm

    As always – what will be the returns on these ‘climate policies’?

    Nothing? Or just so damn near nothing we can’t measure it?

    But it will be a real expensive damn-near-nothing.

    Pat Frank
    July 25, 2019 4:44 pm

    Paul Bledsoe, who advised former President Bill Clinton on climate issues, received a B.A. with honors and a M.A. in English from Ohio State University.

    There’s the guy we should look to to advise us on climate issues, alright. An honors graduate in English.

    Reply to  Pat Frank
    July 25, 2019 9:20 pm

    He had Climate Pope-to-be Al Gore running the Clinton climate show in reality. No science needed. Just a belief in a narrative and how best to push the message.

    English majors are good at understanding historical instances of employing written propaganda and theater (they did a lot of writing in College) and understanding culturally-based canned narratives.
    Showmanship, in other words, is what Bill wanted, when he wasn’t getting his other needs serviced by interns.

    Dennis Gerald Sandberg
    Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
    July 27, 2019 10:50 am

    The same “duly elected Democrat representatives” doing the will of their constituents by pretending they will get Trump impeached are likewise pretending they can provide free energy. …and free everything else (bunch of id***s).

    sendergreen
    Reply to  Dennis Gerald Sandberg
    July 27, 2019 1:45 pm

    Many are far from being idiots. Thinking they are diminishes their danger. Some are intelligent but romantically deluded. Others are intelligent and malevolent.

    Greg Cavanagh
    July 25, 2019 5:01 pm

    They seem to have forgotten about science. They are negotiating for what the people will accept while trying to get the same outcome.

    I think they are saying that whatever the science says, they want “this” conclusion. They’ve forgotten the catastrophic rise in temperature and we’re all doomed. Lets just pretend it’s not so bad, but just bad enough that we still need to impose socialism regardless.

    Linda Goodman
    July 25, 2019 5:29 pm

    “Democrats on the Energy and Commerce Committee announced they would pursue legislation calling for net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, a far less ambitious plan than the Green New Deal…”

    It’s still an INSANE goal, yet the Daily Caller lends it legitimacy with its wording, why? Why is Sen. Graham and other republicans now pretending the climate change fraud is legitimate? This is a dangerous development that needs a strong FACTUAL response: CO2 is NOT affecting climate; CO2 rises following a rise in temperature, it doesn’t precede it; MORE CO2 is BETTER; and the climate change fraud is the eco-fascist foundation of totalitarian world government!

    Tom Abbott
    Reply to  Linda Goodman
    July 26, 2019 9:32 am

    “Why is Sen. Graham and other republicans now pretending the climate change fraud is legitimate?”

    Good question. President Trump should have Dr. Happer have a talk with Senator Graham and the other Republicans who seem to think something needs to be done about CO2, and get them up to speed on the science and the CAGW propaganda.

    yirgach
    Reply to  Linda Goodman
    July 26, 2019 10:38 am

    Don’t you get it? As the Daily caller said, they are all after the swing voters.
    Even though it is obvious to many of us that “The Squad” is actually “The Committee to Re-Elect Trump”.

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    2hotel9
    Reply to  yirgach
    July 27, 2019 4:43 am

    Each time any of these chicks speak they create more, new Trump voters.

    Cosmic
    July 25, 2019 5:32 pm

    Man these disgusting leftist pigs infuriate me. I wish the absolute worse for them politically. They are dangerous in every meaningful way.

    Tom Abbott
    Reply to  Cosmic
    July 26, 2019 9:36 am

    The delusional leftists *are* dangerous. Let’s hope the majority of voters see it the same way and rock the socialists world in Nov. 2020.

    Flight Level
    July 25, 2019 5:38 pm

    Are politicians the only ones to really blame ? After all they are opportunistic predators elected to be on the top of the food chain by supposedly sober and sane electors.

    Therefore I have news, slavery has not been abolished but extended to proportions large enough to render it unnoticeable by the lack other referential.

    Our societies have totally lost any trace of situational and social position awareness. They fly to the indications of instrumented media which makes the winds blow in the most convenient to the food-chain top predators.

    MarkW
    Reply to  Flight Level
    July 26, 2019 7:28 am

    The problem is that they have convinced half the population that they have a right to leach of the labor of the other half.

    Rob
    July 25, 2019 5:44 pm

    Turning the country into another Cuba in 30 years rather than 10, yeah that sounds like a deal that people who shouldn’t voting in the first place could go for. The problem with that is the same as ten years. Any project that has a long term payout never gets build and that investment leaves the country and the jobs disappear. Along with the creation of origin wealth, and everyone continues to get poorer and poorer.

    AWG
    Reply to  Rob
    July 25, 2019 6:35 pm

    Turning the country into another Cuba in 30 years rather than 10,

    Many of these Central Planners pushing this will be dead or at least have one foot in the grave in thirty years. Power is not a means to an end, it is the end.

    When they say ten years they mean Now. When they say thirty years they mean tomorrow.

    markl
    July 25, 2019 6:12 pm

    Everyone wants to save the world but no one wants to pay for doing it or reduce their standard of living. All the large Left leaning cities …. LA, NY, Seattle, etc. …. are big on virtue signalling and talk but neither care nor are willing to really do anything substantial about it. They can double, triple, quadruple their electric bills and still maintain their lifestyle but force them to use mass transit or forgo their lavish homestead for high density living and the shit will hit the fan. For them, making $200K+ a year doesn’t mean much if you can’t show it off or buy something the average Joe can.

    Walter Sobchak
    July 25, 2019 6:52 pm

    10 years, 30 years, what difference does it make? It is economically destructive at either time horizon. Death by strangulation vs. death by starvation.

    July 25, 2019 8:39 pm

    The Green Blob loves the GND. The GB is mindless, reactionary, anarchy. They are motivated by emotional brainwashing about the environment, about Saving the Planet nonsense. They want totalitarianism to force government’s will on the people.

    The GreenSlime is calculating, intelligent, and motivated by Greed, not the environment. They use government and its police and taxing powers for money which comes from having political power. They are all about wealth accumulation. The climate most understand isn’t going to change becasue the West fleeces the middle class with higher taxes and electricity bills, because they want that money in their bank accounts. Climate change is just their Trojan Horse to riches.

    The GS was undoubtedly furious with the idiotic Socialism-Marxism on full-display in the GND and the unrelenting ridicule it brought on Democrats. That most of Democratic presidential candidates endorsed it blindly speaks to how much climate is knee-jerk, emotional issue with the Left.

    Now this “moderate” climate proposal by these 3 Democrats (above mentioned) in the GS’s attempt to get their fleecing of America’s middle class back on track after a serious derailment by the diots AO-C and Markey. It does highlight the rift that is building between the ignorant Far Left Democrats and those Democrats who simply want to win elections for political power.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
    July 25, 2019 8:42 pm

    Crony Capitalism isn’t.

    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 25, 2019 10:14 pm

    My point is this schism that is breaking open in the Democratic Party represnets to very distinct views of what Climate Change action is for.
    The Green Blob are the socialists: Those who want to bring down Western-style capitalism. The AO-C and her squad. They are ignorant. They are mindless. They eat their own on a perceived blasphemy.

    The GreenSlime on the other hand is intelligent. It thinks. It plans. It organizes the most wide-ranging, well-financed propaganda campaign ever seen to sell their climate hustle on a naive public, a middle-class to be fleeced using guilt.

    The GreenSlime is about Power and Money, not Marxism. But it also knows capitalism is the golden goose to be milked, not killed. It has just decided that destroying fossil fuel and nuclear power based electricity and replacing it with their renewable schemes, using the power of the state, is the paths to their riches. Riches that Democrats are eager to feed on for their power.

    yirgach
    Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
    July 26, 2019 10:47 am

    Good analysis of the situation/problem. In the political ecology, the GreenSlime is the life sucking parasite which destroys it’s host.

    Petit_Barde
    July 25, 2019 10:20 pm

    As Big Ears said, Dems have only 18 months left to get out of the GND trap.

    🙂

    Pop Piasa
    July 25, 2019 10:37 pm

    All I can say to my fellow Americans is that I refuse to be taxed or otherwise penalized for any production of the essential atmospheric component CO2 by me, or by the manufacture of goods I use and consume. I will fight mea usque ad mortem to see its removal from pollutant status.

    July 25, 2019 10:48 pm

    Darn it. I used the banned “K” word in a reply to Dave Fair. Comment is lost in moderation now.
    Note to self: Use the spelling “Ki11” instead.

    Note to Joel: That won’t work either if I see it – I didn’t see the original comment and I don’t see it in the ‘trash’ so I can’t comment on the content or the context in which it was used. If you advocated killing someone it generally doesn’t pass muster.

    Mod

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
    July 25, 2019 10:50 pm

    Joel, who are you killing?

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 25, 2019 10:53 pm

    Moderators, I refuse to use euphemisms for common words to meet some political correctness standard.

    Fair enough

    sendergreen
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 26, 2019 9:52 am

    And, to ban a common word regardless of context because someone might say something offensive is wrong.

    It bans the moral imperative “Thou shalt not kill” (KJV), and I suppose ban it’s better translation “Thou shalt not murder” (JPS). Is the “M” word banned too ? Today is Friday, and Chicago could use those Civilization Positive phrases this (any) weekend.

    Herbert
    July 25, 2019 11:25 pm

    Has anyone done a survey of what the man in the street understands by “ Green New Deal”? Is it popular?
    If “ Green” is in favour and the public generally has happy memories of FDR’s “New Deal”, then “Green New Deal” must be an absolute winner.
    At least the Squad obviously think so.
    I hope that the man in the street can see through this ruse but perhaps only a Presidential election will tell if the Democrat nominee runs on a GND platform.

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  Herbert
    July 26, 2019 12:20 am

    None will run on the GND “platform.” The Senate vote showed that the Dems are running away from that loser. Any specific “green” platform will be destroyed by opponents delineating the costs. The Dems will try to stay vague.

    Editor
    Reply to  Herbert
    July 26, 2019 3:48 am

    I’d wager a good bit that the ‘People in the street’ have not read the Resolution referred to as the “Green New Deal’, they tend to rely on the interpretation of it provided by the political commentator of their choice. If they have read it (I struggled through it), and they are honest, they would have to acknowledge it is a monumental ‘word salad’ with multiple conflicting goals and 0 effort to provide even the roughest cost estimate – requests for cost estimates are met with dismissal — “the world’s gonna end in 12 years and you want to know how much it’s gonna cost?” (To fix it I presume.)

    michel
    July 25, 2019 11:54 pm

    The issue with it is very simple: tell us what effect this will have on the total level of global emissions.

    If we are doing this to ‘tackle climate change’ by way of reducing the world’s emissions, then how high will those emissions be in 2050 if we do not act in this way, and how high will they be if we do?

    I think the answer is probably something like this. They are at the moment a bit over 37 billion tons a year.

    If the US does not do this, and we carry on as normal, they will probably be 45-50 billion tons a year in 2040-50.

    If the US does do this, they will probably be 40-45 billion instead. You could actually argue it will not make this much difference, but best case.

    How much difference will that make to global temperatures, assuming the theory is correct?

    Negligible.

    If people are going to advocate doing things to ‘tackle climate change’, could they at least start by explaining how doing them is going to make any material difference to what they claim to be the drivers of climate change?

    Dave Fair
    Reply to  michel
    July 26, 2019 12:22 am

    Fear doesn’t need facts. Only until and unless Trump destroys the arguments head-on will the greens be deterred.

    Editor
    Reply to  Dave Fair
    July 26, 2019 4:30 am

    As a salesman (in another life) among the first things I learned is that facts do not overcome emotion based beliefs, they only cause the person to ‘dig in’ to defend their emotion based belief system (and put you in the ‘enemy zone’).

    E J Zuiderwijk
    July 26, 2019 12:28 am

    Seven men and a baby.

    Red94ViperRT10
    July 26, 2019 6:09 am

    …pursue legislation calling for net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050…”

    …except “net-zero” is still a myth. Same as it ever was.

    (If someone said this already, I apologize.)

    Gunga Din
    Reply to  Red94ViperRT10
    July 26, 2019 9:22 am

    “….net-zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050…”

    In other words, “The elite (such as ourselves and certain Hollywood people) will continue emitting. All of you lower carbon-based lifeforms will have to eliminate your emissions to compensate.”

    ResourceGuy
    July 26, 2019 9:43 am

    Watered down crazy is still crazy…after all these years.

    Keeping the door open for donors and a carbon tax outside possibility are also important to the Party of miscreants.

    chris
    July 26, 2019 12:16 pm

    I’m a Socialist!

    I – and my spouse – get Medicare (great system, BTW. Sooo inexpensive!) and free money from Social Security (free because we don’t need it). QED

    know who else are ‘Socialists’? ever farmer. so far this year $20B of our money to compensate for China tarriffs. Not to mention the billions we all pay to corn farmers to provide us with below-market ethanol (which is a net loss to the climate).

    Now, remind me: how does a ad hominion attack on AOC inform the readers of this blog on climate science?

    Michael H Anderson
    Reply to  chris
    July 26, 2019 7:20 pm

    You mean “ad hominem,” right? If you’d bothered to look up the spelling, you’d have seen the definition and know that’s not what’s happening here.

    If I call her a Marxist, that’s not ad hominem. The truth is by definition not ad hominem. It is also relevant to her outlook on climate change, since it’s a political, not scientific outlook.

    Same thing applies if I call her an idiot. All clear? Good. Next!

    Michael H Anderson
    Reply to  chris
    July 26, 2019 8:07 pm

    And speaking if fallacies, I smell red herring. How does your being a Socialist contribute to the discussion? Who cares? Further, hate to state the obvious but a person can take advantage of social programs without being “a Socialist.”

    Next time, try being honest and start your post with “I’m a Democrat! Please don’t say mean stuff about Democrats even if they demonstrably have the brains of an earthworm.” Thanks in advance.

    2hotel9
    Reply to  chris
    July 27, 2019 4:50 am

    Poor little chrisee, failed again.

    Reply to  chris
    July 27, 2019 11:39 am

    You paid into SS and Medicare. How exactly is that “free” to you?

    Unless you didn’t. Then you’re a freeloader.

    Michael H Anderson
    Reply to  F.LEGHORN
    July 28, 2019 10:48 am

    … and therefore has every right to call himself a Socialist! 😀

    Midwest Traveler
    July 26, 2019 1:29 pm

    Sigh. This is right out of the Democratic Party playbook, and so predictable. Propose something so bad and insane that everyone will freak out. Then propose something half way as bad and everyone will clamor for it. Never mind that without the first, you would have freaked out on the second. And don’t for a moment think that if you give them the half way point that the rest is not far behind. Progressive 101 folks.

    Andy
    July 26, 2019 2:05 pm
    beng135
    Reply to  Andy
    July 27, 2019 8:50 am

    Scientific “journals” have been corrupted for decades & are run by socialist sycophants. Didn’t know that?

    Michael H Anderson
    Reply to  beng135
    July 28, 2019 12:43 pm

    Scientists who are on board obviously get their funding from somewhere. Sometimes that funding comes from wealthy celebrities, environmental NGOs, and government. Nobody in the alarmist camp gives a damn about this rather obvious form of conflict of interest, any more than they do when Albert Gore makes a stupendous fortune on “green investment” or Rajendra Pachauri is involved in a company that recovers depleted oil reserves and is forced out of the IPCC because of sexual harassment.

    Just for laughs I had a look at the WHOIS record for the PAGES 2K website. Guess what? Any information that might tell us who registered the domain etc has been redacted, because they registered with an agency that hides that info. The only instances I’ve found this before – and there have been a great many – was for sites that are either totally sketchy or worse, actually fraudulent, e.g. identity theft phishing sites. In short, whoever registered (and probably pays for hosting) the website wants to remain anonymous for some reason.

    Purely circumstantial stuff I know – but interesting nonetheless. 🙂

    Michael H Anderson
    July 27, 2019 4:52 am

    Maybe what YOU need Andy. Don’t lump us all together with the sock puppets of global social engineers please. Believe whatever crap you like; when I see repeated stupidities like “debunking another argument by those who reject climate science” I know right away I’m looking at the same old same old.

    Oh hey- one minute into my research I learn Science-y American is a bit late to the ballgame; this “news” is six years old: https://skepticalscience.com/pages2k-confirms-hockey-stick.html. Funny how their own map shows regional bias in their sampling when their biggest beef seems to be that e.g. The Medieval Warm Period was”only a regional event.”

    Try doing some of your own research Andy. Can’t tell you how satisfying it is.

    Andy
    Reply to  Michael H Anderson
    July 27, 2019 11:53 am

    Yes, Michael, I have done my own research and it is very satisfying to be in agreement with 99% of the world’s scientists who concur with me that the current climate crisis is caused by man-made carbon emissions.

    Reply to  Andy
    July 27, 2019 12:25 pm

    According to the 2016 survey of the American Meteorological Society (Maibach et al., 2016)…

    Climate change is real: 96%

    Only 96% of “scientists” agree that climate change is real.

    Climate change is man-made: 67%

    Only 67% of “scientists” characterized climate change as real and man-made.

    Climate Change has been harmful over the past 50 years: 38%

    Only 38% of “scientists” characterized climate change as having been dangerous (primarily or exclusively harmful impacts) over the past 50 years.

    Climate change will be dangerous over the next 50 years: 50%

    Only 50% of “scientists” characterized climate change as being dangerous (primarily or exclusively harmful impacts) over the next 50 years.

    Climate change can largely be ignored: 40%

    Only 18% of “scientists” thought that there was any point in destroying our economy in order to prevent the weather from changing. Fully 41% of “scientists” indicated that climate change might as well be “ignored.”

    In summary…

    SurveySays

    Furthermore… 53% of AMS survey respondents agreed there was conflict about climate change among atmospheric scientists and 63% thought the conflict was a good thing (Stenhouse et al. 2017)

    This article analyzes open-ended survey responses to understand how members of the American Meteorological Society (AMS) perceive conflict within the AMS over global warming. Of all survey respondents, 53% agreed that there was conflict within the AMS; of these individuals who perceived conflict, 62% saw it as having at least some productive aspects, and 53% saw at least some unproductive aspects.

    I won’t even venture into my branch of science… Because more than half of government and academic economic geologists disagree with the 67% majority of the AMS (Doran and Kendall Zimmerman, 2009).

    References

    Doran, P. T., and Zimmerman, M. K. ( 2009), Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate ChangeEos Trans. AGU903), 22– 23, doi:10.1029/2009EO030002.

    Maibach, E., Perkins, D., Francis, Z., Myers, T., Englbom, A., et al. (2016). A 2016 National
    Survey of American Meteorological Society Member Views on Climate Change: Initial Findings. George Mason University, Fairfax, VA: Center for Climate Change Communication.

    Stenhouse, N., A. Harper, X. Cai, S. Cobb, A. Nicotera, and E. Maibach2017Conflict about Climate Change at the American Meteorological Society: Meteorologists’ Views on a Scientific and Organizational Controversy. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc., 98219–223, https://doi.org/10.1175/BAMS-D-15-00265.1

    sendergreen
    Reply to  Andy
    July 27, 2019 1:48 pm

    I can’t believe you brought that dishonest, and thoroughly debunked statistic to the discussion. But, of course you did.

    Andy
    Reply to  Michael H Anderson
    July 27, 2019 11:59 am

    Yes Michael, I have done my research and it is very satisfying to know that 99% of the world’s scientists agree with me that the current climate crisis is caused by man-made carbon emissions.

    Michael H Anderson
    Reply to  Andy
    July 28, 2019 11:47 am

    Further: believing whatever the mass media tells you to believe is not equivalent to “research.” Not even close. Your (repeated) post should read,

    “I have been as ingenuous and easily led as a three-year old.”

    You’re welcome. I’m a great believer in precision in communication and always happy to lend a hand.

    Michael H Anderson
    July 28, 2019 10:54 am

    Well, you just go on believing whatever stupid bullshit you like, Including that ridiculous statement about 99%. And by all means come coming back here, completely ignoring the ever-increasing mountain of countervailing evidence, and trying to change our minds. That is absolutely your right as a witless sock puppet.

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