Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr. Willie Soon – Swedish climate messiah Greta Thunberg has a problem. She desperately wants to attend climate conferences in New York (September) and Santiago (December), but unlike most greens she is serious about avoiding air travel.
How do you cross the Atlantic Ocean without flying?
I’ve got a few ideas, but I doubt arriving by luxury transatlantic cruise liner is quite the down to earth minimalist image Greta wants to project.
Some of Greta’s fans have suggested telecommuting, but if this was a solution surely all greens would be telecommuting to climate conferences, instead of scarring their personal consciences with distasteful but ecologically necessary air travel.
I’m sure you are all as keen to help as I am. Perhaps we can all pitch in, help little Greta figure out how to attend those crucial climate conferences in far flung locations, without compromising those heartfelt climate principles which have attracted so much global media attention.
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Stop talking and save the exhaled CO2.
Quite the contrary. Does she have a lot to contribute to climate science? Especially on Fridays.
Little Greta should work hard at school and university.
Essential studies should be earth physics and economics and thinking for ones self.
Provided she has a non progressive professor -(if there is such a thing nowadays).
Maybe then she will be in a position to make a scientific contribution to her “global” warming without bothering to worry about traveling around the world.
In the mean time little Greta should study this little piece of basic science.
https://rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com/2018/05/09/ever-been-told-that-the-science-is-settled-with-global-warming-well-read-this-and-decide-for-yourself/
Needless to say, going to this blog involves minimal carbon pollution
Cheers
Roger.
Roger Surf
June 19, 2019 at 2:45 pm
Yes, Roger and she should also study geology and geomorphology so she can learn just how Father Earth really works.
Surely we shouldn’t be seeing images of Greta because manufacturing and powering camera equipment, mobile phones, books and computers requires fossil fuels?
They are brain dead. they lie. Tell me how to subvert the masses! Please stop if I’m being bad.Cradle to Grave. Although,fools follow!
All ‘progressives’ should stop exhaling ‘polluting’ CO2 right now!
Catch a ride on a Swedish submarine. Would only cost, oh around a few million dollars. Al poor gore would cover it.
Would a Sweidish submarine satisfy her conscience? The submarines of the Swedish Navy use diesel.
“HSwMS Gotland (Gtd) is a defense submarine of the Swedish Navy. It was the first ship of the Gotland-class, which was the first operational submarine class in the world to use air-independent propulsion in the form of Stirling engines which use liquid oxygen and diesel as the propellant.” (Wikipedia)
Diesel is an evil fossil fuel…the worst of the worst because it enables so much other activity like digging up more fossil fuels. Maybe she could purchase an Indulgence from the Pope for her flight offsets. I am sure it would be alright as long as she confesses to her Sin(s).
However, diesel submarines were the first hybrids. The enviros should love them!
Jim
Take the “AOC Train” across the ocean.
Going to be done in 12 years.
Greta will have to miss a few conferences.
The cross-ocean train is a big part of the Green Ordeal.
“Green Ordeal” … GOD; That’s what they want to play.
We are witnessing the transition of climate hysteria from the cynical bid for political hegemony it was originally intended to be (the “red-green alliance”) to a jihad led by true-believers who have more faith in their power to tilt the earth on its axis than any religious fanatic ever had in his deity.
This is how “radical” transforms into FANATICAL. Interestingly the first victims aren’t usually the infidels who don’t believe but the older-generation adherents who DON’T BELIEVE HARD ENOUGH.
Just wait. The show-trials of people like Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio will be stunning in scope and ferocity. They’ll be forced into public apology and humiliation shortly before their executions as Enemies of the Planet.
No, Bill. I think people like *us* will be tried and executed before those fanatical masses leading to the civilizations of the planet plunging into a fierce scientific dark age that will last for generations after totalitarian socialists use climate change as an excuse to seize power. Millions will die. Science as practiced by the likes of Dyson, Feynman, and Popper will be a casualty, and the widespread use of modern databases will be sufficient to keep all people under scrutiny the likes of which would have embarrassed Stalin.
The battle is over. The eco-facists have won. They are now ratcheting up the rhetoric to discover who among them will be the first to draw blood.
I do not think so.
They are not armed.
The people they are calling deniers, for the most part, are heavily armed. Here in the US anyway.
How all the people in those other countries let themselves be disarmed after what happened in the first half of the 20th century, I will never understand.
Even here in “ gun free” England the right have military training and own guns and heavy machinery. The Left would be crazy to go violent, Oh…….
Merchant ship passenger? Or work your passage? or charter a sailboat?
Sailing, swimming or rowing are the only non fossil fueled alternatives, but only in wooden vessel.
Or perhaps she could wait for the next ice age and walk across the North Pacific Land Bridge.
Better yet she could just stay home and perhaps obtain some useful education.
Wooden sail boat with canvas sails. Shouldn’t take more than a month.
Robot Proxy
Much the same way that ailing students can attand class from the discomfort of a Hospital Bed.
Similar to the Punishment Sam received on Big Brother.
Drive a robot around the venue remotely and still be able to interact without leaving home.
Wooden sailboat.. ..without tar being used.
I guess is gonna be all about swimming anyway.
“Tar” used on wooden boats is actually Stockholm tar which is made from pine sap – so all organic. But I do take your point.
Bzzzt! Timber is made of carbon.
Walter Sobchak
June 19, 2019 at 8:25 am
Also only lashed together with organically grown hemp. No iron nails made with that dreadful coal allowed. No compass, radio, sat phone or GPS either.
She could set a new trend and really getting the greenies thinking about just how our world really words.
In the earlier days of shipbuilding they used wooden Nails; trennels they called them.
and she should take her parents with her as they sail through the icefree Arctic..please!!
Swimming. Definitely swimming.
From her followers, you’d think that walking there was not beyond her.
Broom. Greta could ride a broom.
But don’t try Red Bull.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11155731/13m-lawsuit-proves-Red-Bull-doesnt-give-you-wings.html
The broom belongs to her evil, twisted mother.
No Brent she can walk on water – she is after all the “climate messiah”
But sailing in a wooden ship consumes precious rain forests, and sailcloth today is made of man-made fibers made from .. omigosh, petroleum! Or else she could insist on linen canvass, but omigosh that too consumes petroleum fuel and precious water, thousands of gallons for every square meter of canvas. And of course the canvass must be handwoven, since machines and factories are tools of the capitalist devils … which means the canvas must be produced by poor piece workers in sweatshops all over the third world .. which means … … …
The only solution therefore is for her to swim across the ocean, and trust that Gaia will protect her all the way from drowning, dying of exposure, or getting eaten by really big fish, perhaps with the help of her very own squadron of earth-loving dolphins to help her along and fight off the sharks.
I got it – she could announce that she renounces all forms of transport and sustenance, and hopes therefore that Gaia will simply keep her alive to continue her preaching to all those horrible humans who pollute the earth with their .. lives. The implication of that stance, however, is too inhuman to contemplate.
have you ever seen the movie Kon-Tiki?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1613750/
It was evidently good enough for ploynesians and for a stubborn Norwegian with a point to prove to cross the Pacific on balsawood rafts like this one https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1613750/mediaviewer/rm1306374912.
Saint Greta could follow suit if she is serious – I hope she knows how to tie knots.
Kon-Tiki…Haven’t seen the movie but did Reed the book
haven`t seen the movie either but got the book, and the watch
maybe she could just send a letter ( all those trees and energy for pulping and drying), with a photograph (oops, big business and lots of nasty chemicals) of her in it so it could be pinned up on the wall in the auditorium (aargh, energy for cement manufacture , and sand extraction, and… . . and,. . . . and . . . . .,
Gotta be careful with that Sand Extraction … Sand Extraction leads to Man Camps and such
This thing called into Mooloolaba harbour in 1970. I was four years old, but I do remember it. It was distinctly unexciting, was my memory; and I wondered why there was such a buzz about this ugly thing.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/list?id=97908
If she swam, she could do double duty and end up in the Guinness Book of Records, or Ripley’s Believe It Or Not.
…or earn a Darwin Award
really LOL
Then 15 year-old Laura Dekker used ketch Guppy’s motor for two days when crossing the Atlantic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Dekker
Like rocket science.
One of my college degrees was economics. For a graduation present after grad school, I imported a new 30′ sailboat. It was made from polyester resin. The keel cast iron. The Dacron Sails Talk about green virtue. Lot of carbon involved in sailing. 70 mile round trip to the yacht club.
In winter you can walk across the Bering Strait on the sea ice. But she has missed that opportunity.
Sailing the Viking route to Newfoundland, cycle down to NYC
You can’t cycle from Newfie to the Big Apple without using fossil-fuel-smelted metals, ocean-transported components, and asphalt-paved roads built with diesel-powered equipment.
I’m sure you knew all this — but I’m posting it for the benefit of any virtue-signalers who might not have thought things through.
– and Newfoundland’s an island; you can’t cycle to the mainland from there. She’d be better-off sailing to Labrador, there’s a road from Goose Bay, but if she tries cycling that road she’ll get eaten alive by insects (in Summer) or freeze to death (in Winter).
Maybe she should sail all the way to New York. In a really big sailing boat, because she’s against the prevailing winds and the Gulf Stream all the way so it’s going to take a long time, and she’s going to need enough space onboard to stow things to eat.
Still, I respect her actually trying to live-up to her principles – unlike all the “Well I HAVE to fly to all those conferences – how else are we going to SAAAAAVE THE EARTH!!!” types. I consider Greta “honest but misguided”, as opposed to just-about all the rest whom I consider “liars and confidence artists”.
Well, people have used a rowboat to cross the Atlantic. . .
You beat me to it, Tom.
Cheers,
Bob
She probably can’t do that to Australia we have a turn back the boat policy even for climate refugees
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1819/Quick_Guides/BoatTurnbacksSince2001
Paddle to Buenos Aires, then overland to Santiago.
Rowing with ten beefy rowers will put out a lot more CO2 than flying.
Perhaps Bjorn Lothbrok could give her a spot on his next raiding
She shouldt try to walk over the water, at least
Not yet. If she speaks at the meeting she may then be qualified to walk on water.
Possible with pontoon shoes. They’re normally made from petroleum-derived synthetics, but she could hand carve a pair from a cork log. And a natural fiber rope tied between them as a stabilizer, so you don’t do the splits and hit the water crotch-first. And learn to walk with them (more of a shuffle than a walk).
Then, provided she doesn’t run into any rough seas or get mistaken for lunch by sharks, she’ll be home free. 😉
drednicolson
“Cork log?”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_(material)
Cork Oak is rather heavy but still floats
As do most woods. But, not as well as cork bark.
“hand carve a pair from a cork log” Harvested with?
“a natural fiber rope” Twisted using?
And how would one transport enough food and water for this trip?
If she’s the messiah, she ought be able to walk on water.
The Vikings used to build excellent longboats and sailed and rowed all over the north Atlantic.
So, Greta should build herself a nice replica and organise a dozen able young men to row her to New York, then take the train onwards to Santiago (she will have to walk the section between Panama and Colombia, but that’s a little detail).
Somehow I doubt that she can find a single bloke for her virtue voyage. Women perhaps?
She will have to walk (or rather go by car) a very great deal more than that. There is no internationally connected railway system in South America. Many countries don’t even have a connected network within the country. Even when she gets to the Chilean border there is no longer any railway service to Santiago. I’m not even sure there are any passenger service from Valparaiso to Santiago if she comes by boat.
Go by car? Good luck charging an EV in South America. Wait, you didn’t mean an ICE powered vehicle, did you? No, no, no, no, no.
She could, though, get a horse or a jackass (but Gore might not be available).
Not sure what Gore wears on the end of his limbs, but horses have steel shoes which (spoiler) do not grow on trees.
Also horses fart, and we know what AOC thinks about farty animals.
If walking, she’ll start soon, passing Russia, China, travel over the Aleutian Islands, than south-east…. 😀
There isn’t a passenger train from Valpo to Santiasco, nor from the port of San Antonio.
But there is a proposal to upgrade tracks for high-speed passenger service to both ports from the metropolitan region.
https://www.railjournal.com/regions/central-south-america/new-proposals-to-improve-chilean-inter-city-rail-links/
She should start building her ark now. It will come in handy “when” the icecaps melt and us skeptics all drown in the rising seas .
“In december the United Nations conference of parties, COP25, will be held in Santiago de Chile. And this is pretty much where our future will be decided. ”
Yes our future of either bankruptcy from climate policies or incessant whining about CO2 levels with increasing calls of alarm.
in DEC when its nice and warm..amazing how they time these gabfests
I grew up in Chicago and remember seeing this ship:
Viking, the very first Viking ship replica, was built by the Rødsverven shipyard in Sandefjord, Norway. In 1893 it sailed across the Atlantic Ocean to Chicago in the United States for the World’s Columbian Exposition. Formerly located in Lincoln Park, Chicago, Illinois, the Viking is currently undergoing conservation in Geneva, Illinois, United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_ship_replica
Oh rats! She missed the boat.
https://thornews.com/2016/05/01/follow-the-dragon-harald-fairhair-from-western-norway-to-north-america/
Good lord. Un like the adult greens, the silly little girl might actually believe the garbage she is preaching.
She does. Actually does.
Having said that, most adult ‘greens’ do too.
the difference, she’s still innocent, the adults a bunch of slackers that could have educated themselves now and developed some life skills like skepticism.
She’ll grow out of that soon enough I’m guessing. Some of her “adult” travelers will explain how just SOME “anticlimate” activities are perfectly justifiable when you are saving the entire world.
She is far too ignorant to realize how shamefully she is being used (as are most alarmists).
Eventually her innocence will become an ever weakening excuse for her behavior.
She suffers from mental challenges and is suicidal. That makes her words ring true to the leftists.
Yes. Three cheers for Greta. We should all have the humility to accept the fact that we are wrong in some of our beliefs. We should respect the fact that others can also be wrong without being evil as a result. So, if Greta is willing to live according to her beliefs, more power to her.
What is not acceptable is to lie and cook data to bolster whatever case you’re trying to make. People who do that are evil. And then there are the garden variety hypocrites like the government of British Columbia (BC) which tries to block Alberta’s pipeline to tide water but then squeals like a stuck pig when Alberta threatens to turn off the taps on petroleum exports to BC. link Those people are evil, Greta is not. She’s just wrong.
Well said Bob
You gotta give the misguided kid credit for wanting to do the ethical approach
But Bob claims to be a communist? How are any of his comments credible. Greta is being used by adults. She is enjoying the limelight and the money her parents are receiving for her being used as a front.
From the perspective of many of the posters on this blog, I look like a commie.
From the perspective of the postmodern neo-Marxist SJWs, I look like alt-right.
What you see depends on where you stand.
News update…..
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/canada-s-trudeau-approves-trans-mountain-pipeline-expansion
There is an election coming in October.
Some day she is going to learn the awful truth that the whole climate change agenda is really just a political mechanism to control the behavior of people that Progressives do not like.
If you think she is depressed now…
One of the features of the condition Greta suffers from, is an inability to understand deceit, or that anyone could see things differently . If the sufferer sees the biscuits put in the top drawer, they can’t understand that anyone else would think they were in the bottom drawer, even if the other person had left the room before the biscuits were moved. So yes, she really does believe it.
Climate change is a much more abstract idea than the location of biscuits, but the people she relies on have told it’s real, and she trusts them, and has no way to independently verify the ideas, partly because of her trust, and partly because of the way her brain works once an idea takes hold.
The problem lies with the media, and her parents who have thrust her into the public eye.
She’s being deliberately used, and it’s a disgrace.
Stick a fit adult bloke up as a spokesman for whatever, and the picking apart of his propositions will start, and the opponents will not be kind.
Put a mentally disabled girl in front, and you have a shield. Full-house criticism is simply not permitted. ‘How cruel’ , ‘she’s just a child’, how could you attack an autistic girl’ , etc..
The ploy to use her is utterly cynical and designed to deflect all criticism around the CAGW/CACC hypotheses.
The people organising this are beneath contempt.
X100
I thought you were referring to the Environment Minister in Canada.
Well said.
So very true. Shame on her parents, in particular.
The obvious response for skeptics would be to find an autistic child on OUR side and put her or him out front for the pressers. But you don’t see that behavior from skeptics. Telling, no?
Toby Young a British journalist has got himself into trouble criticising Greta Thunberg. He has corrected, on social media, a statistical error made by her (or in truth by her minders) and another claim that the West is doing nothing about the supposed climate emergency and further suggested that she is privileged. The usual suspects have of course gone for Toby Young on the grounds that she is beyond criticism as she is only 16 years of age. The green blob seem to be using her as a ‘human shield’ i.e beyond criticism.
Virtual Reality meetings would be the most elegant solution. Virtualization of data is the future. If greenies truly want to display complex systems and keep their footprint minimal, they can go virtual in just about every aspect of life. A virtual rig takes only a few amps to run. There are a lot of Hydrocarbons spent in making HMDs, computers, signal etc. but surely not nearly as much as boondoggles. Besides, these guys love to live in their data, why not truly walk the talk?
Maybe she can invite her friends to a viewing of Ice Age II.
We have the appropriate vessel right here in Australia. A barbed wire canoe without a paddle. Most often used for travelling upstream in a certain creek.
Oops.
I just remembered barbed wire is made from iron, and nasty, black, dirty, carbonaceous, coal stuff is used in its manufacture. I guess she could use a substitute like blackberry vines.
Paddle.
And, take your time…
I would suggest booking a low-cost ticket on a sea going oil tanker……in the Gulf of Oman. Don’t forget to pack a veil.
She could also find a “repositioning” cruise. Cruise lines seasonally move ships from one locale to another to maximize revenue and reduce weather-related risks. These ships usually reposition half-empty so her footprint would be minimized… at least one way.
Do the “greenies” schedule conferences to take advantage of such underutilized resources? What do they look like, farmers?
She’ll need strong legs & alot of power-drinks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_human-powered_aircraft
Child abuse by her parents.
…. yeah her mother could lend her her broomstick.
I doubt whether WUWT regulars will need reminding of the exploits of Dr Alain Bombard – they are a well-educated bunch!
But for the benefit of occasional viewers, Dr Bombard, in the course of research into survivability at sea for shipwrecked sailors, drifted across the Atlantic in a liferaft, surviving on what food and drink he could obtain on the way. Netted plankton and juices from squeezed fish figured large in his diet. I think it took him about 3 months….
Surely this would be a good introduction to nature as it actually is for environmentalists?
How about a Viking Long Ship?
Dug out canoe and bamboo bicycle, and by foot.
Is swimming out of the question…
I read about somebody crossing the Atlantic in a barrel.
I guess steerage class on a liner is out of the question.
Could she work her way across on a freighter, not sure what cargo she would be okay with, maybe solar cells from China.
Whatever she chooses she is unlikely to find anything causing less CO2 per passenger and mile than a economy class seat on a B747 or A380 unless she can hitch-hike on a tanker or a container-ship, but I am uncertain whether they are allowed to carry passengers. There are plenty of transatlantic cruises, but they use more fuel per passenger mile than aircraft. Possibly she can find somebody taking a sailing-yacht across that is willing to take her along.
Getting from NY to Santiago by land won’t be that easy either. There is the Darien Gap and a few of the intervening countries can also be rather dicey to travel in, particularly for a teenage girl who doesn’t speak spanish. Though undoubtedly some billionaire can sponsor a couple of interpeters/bodyguards and 4WD’s as needed.
The Darien Gap remains dangerous. A Swedish backpacker was killed in it by FARC narco-Marxists in 2013. The narcotraficantes mistook him for a spy. Despite the supposed Colombia-wide surrender of the narcos, they remain in the Gap, still backed by Venezuela, as FARC has been since Hugo.
Little Greta could perhaps survive the Gap by avoiding it by sea in a sailboat or canoe from Panama to Colombia. There used to be a ferry from the Caribbean coast of Panama to Colombia.
Environmentalists have kept the highway from being extended across the Gap, but also concerns over the spread of hoof and mouth disease from South America to North. The indigenous Indian tribes also oppose a road. African would-be illegal immigrants to the US fly to Ecuador, which has liberal visa laws, enter Colombia, then use the gap to sneak into Panama. Apparently FARC knows they couldn’t pay kidnap ransoms.
Trains are powered by diesel, so after sailing or rowing across the Atlantic, she’ll have to walk or bicycle to Panama from NYC, then again from Colombia to Chile. I guess maybe she could hitchhike without violating the tenets of her religion.
Of course her food and clothing are also due to fossil fuels. Plus shelter and heating and cooling.
John Tillman
“… she’ll have to walk or bicycle …”
Bicycles are made with the consumption of a lot of fossil fuels!
It would be a balsa wood bicycle, with tires of natural rubber, vulcanized with wood fire (I know, more CO2!) and transported by clipper ship.
People have bicycled from California and points North to Chile. She can sail from the UK (in a wooden boat as mentioned above), travel on foot or horseback to California and bicycle from there on. She must make sure that there are no carbon fiber components on her bike, nor plastic in the saddle and handle bar grips or cushioning. Actually, the sail boat must use canvas sails, not mylar or dacron, no ferrous metals in the fastenings, etc, etc. In this way she might gain an appreciation for the benefits of a modern society that exists because of affordable and reliable energy.
She must dispose of her smart or cell phone, too.
…and go naked without artificial heating.
tty,
But to be fair, the tanker or container-ship is going to make the trip whether she is present or not. So, the CO2 per passenger isn’t a fair metric.
On the other hand that is true for an aircraft as well. Losing Greta as a passenger is hardly likely to lead to cancelling a 747 flight.
Maybe there’s an amphibious Tesla?
You’d figure — if they can be space-faring, surely they can swim. Get MI6’s Q working on it.
Where there’s a will there’s a tax credit for that.
The batteries powering a transatlantic journey would have to be brought along by a huge cargo ship though.
I have just found two UK pennies in my trouser pockets, she’s welcome to them, although she’d have to collect them herself or perhaps one of her helpers could hop on to a Business Class flight & collect them for her! 😉
Old or new pennies? I would doubt that the helpers could accept old pennies because of the waste of resources due to their size.
I think I have a spare carbon credit around here somewhere.
Row, row, row her boat.
A “Flower Powered” kayak?
Why does she need to go in person?
Why does she want to go in person?
The more important question is why is it necessary for these conferences to be held in different countries? They should be teleconferencing but then they couldn’t pat themselves on the back.
She could catch the train as far north as possible, canoe or walk across the Arctic circle (or flag down a friendly, cuddly polar bear or walrus if there are any left of course) to Canada, walk to a suitable city to catch a train to New York. Catch bus or train south to Mexico, bus or train across Mexico and other South American countries to Chile. Of course she would have to miss 3 months school to do this.
“… why is it necessary for these conferences to be held in different countries.” It is the United Nations, and they have to spread the wealth.
Perhaps she could ask Boris to give her a ride on our aircraft-carrier-without-aircraft, as it has already been on diplomatic manoeuvres off New York once?
Then there were some Scots who cycled from USA to Argentina for the 1978 World Cup, which was a bit of a let down after all the effort they made to get there, so they will probably now be wizened old grandads who can advise on cycling from NYC to Santiago, if there is enough time for her to do that….
I guess if there are any sailors in training for the Vendee Globe, they could get her to New York, but sailing round Cape Horn might be a bit rough way of reaching Santiago and rather a detour compared to being a stowaway on some commercial ship using the Panama canal.
Any balloonists prepared to give her a ride? Branson is always up for a bit of publicity, after all….
Even hot air balloons require propane, unless she can find a wood-burning one. But even that would release a lot of CO2.
It’s a carreer move by herself or the people who manage her. She found an unlikely niche to make money on, and the only way to keep that model afloat is by remaining in the media focus. She’s done Europe, and given that she says the same things over and over the interest here is waning. America is still unchartered, so that’s where she’s headed.
This is the least of her problems. There is the “Meadow” problems she needs to address.
Without fossil fuels It takes 10 men to mow a meadow and probably half a meadow to feed them. A wind turbine needs a meadow or two to produce the energy required.
Maybe she should think about that with the song ringing in her ears.
Sorry don’t have accurate figures here.
Row, row, row your boat
Gently cross the ocean
Clean green clean green
Life is carbon free
Rowing is in no way carbon free. Humans are inefficient engines, putting out 15 times rest CO2 under heavy load.