Significant interview with Patrick Moore on Breitbart. Merits a listen and more exposure.

And here is the Breitbart article.

Greenpeace Founder: Global Warming Hoax Pushed by Corrupt Scientists ‘Hooked on Government Grants’

Fear has been used all through history to gain control of people’s minds and wallets and all else, and the climate catastrophe is strictly a fear campaign — well, fear and guilt — you’re afraid you’re killing your children because you’re driving them in your SUV and emitting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and you feel guilty for doing that. There’s no stronger motivation than those two.

HT/Greg G

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74 thoughts on “Significant interview with Patrick Moore on Breitbart. Merits a listen and more exposure.

  1. Glad the tip got through this time. Odd to find this on RT. Most of their journos seem full of AGW silliness, though they usually get ripped apart in comments.

    Credit to RT for not censoring like The Guardian, Reddit, Nature …..

    • Read Dr. Patrick Moore’s essay, “Hard Choices for the Environmental Movement”, written in 1994, especially “The Rise of Eco-Extremism”
      http://ecosense.me/2012/12/30/key-environmental-issues-4/

      Patrick observed that Eco-extremism is the new “false-front” for political Marxists, who were discredited after the fall of the Soviet Union circa 1990 and took over the Green movement to further their political objectives. I have corresponded with Patrick on this essay and we both agree that he “nailed it”.

    • It’s good to watch RT as an antidote to much of the West’s MSM. Like the MSM they have their slant on things and a seasoned sceptic can see this. But if you are interested in world news, they fill in the blanks on the Gilets Jaunes, Teresa May’s inept dealings with the EU and much more. Actually, I haven’t seen much on A Global Warming.

      • Russia Today is what RT stands for. I tend to avoid them, along with Sputnik, and the Iranian outlet, Press TV. And, sadly, Breitbart too, since Andrew died

  2. I’ve met Dr. Moore and have twice heard him speak at plastics industry trade group meetings. I never get tired of hearing him speak. One of the most memorable stories is how, after saving the whales and stopping above ground nuclear testing, Greenpeace cast around for another mission and came up with….banning Chlorine! Dr. Moore, as the only member of the Greenpeace board laconically stated: “Um, you can’t ban Chlorine. Its on the Periodic Table of Elements”. As he told it, that’s when he first realized the environmentalist movement was coming of the rails and thus started his break with them and his march to becoming an environmental heretic.

    • I used to be a GP subscriber about the time Patrick Moore left ( ie I sent them a regular subscription ) .

      The day I got a fat, glossy-papered marchandising catalogue through the door I wrote them a letter saying they had become part of what they were founded to oppose and cancelled my support.

      I don’t know if that was before or after he left. I never heard of it at the time. I’m sure they were not asking the Guardian to put the news on the front page.

    • The purpose of many organizations is to provide a fat paycheck for the CEO. That includes charities. example

      It is unsurprising that Greenpeace would cast about to find reasons for its continued existence. Peoples’ pay checks depend on the organization. If it accomplished its goals and went out of business, those people would be jobless. They have a vested interest in finding things they can campaign against.

      Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy describes how organizations are taken over by those who look out for their own interests.

      First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.

      Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.

      • commieBob

        I suppose you heard that the head of Greenpeace, who lives in Luxembourg, was flying daily to work in Amsterdam, right? Someone managed to bring that to the attention of the public…

        • There is a big problem with CEOs. Some time after IBM brought in a CEO from outside with great results, people got the idea that CEOs are magic. In the last few decades, CEO remuneration has increased 700% while worker pay has increased 10%. The trouble is that the highest paid CEOs tend to have a negative effect on the bottom line. link

          Greenpeace probably thinks it has a superstar CEO. In reality, it probably has an overrated overpaid dud.

      • Eric Hoffer said it best:

        “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”

    • Strangely enough, I remember saying the same thing at a meeting of UK officials to discuss a proposed global ban on mercury.

  3. What about putting up a link to the text of this interview ?

    I do not waste my time listening to stories any more.

    I read the ext.. And it takes me about 20% of the time I would spend listening.

        • Moore was referring to the fact that people have attempted to kill themselves by drinking RoundUp and only a few have died. He should have been more careful with his words, but it’s toxicity is low.

          • They were probably thinking that Roundup is paraquat – no longer available but completely deadly, even though you might take weeks to die after drinking it.

    • Until you actually say something that uses logic and reason instead of a silly ad hominem, your comments are worthless.

      • J. Philip,

        your sweeping statement against Dr. Moore is idiotic since everyone does make a mistake, even YOU have, therefore your irrational sweeping statement is really an ad hominem against him.

        Your trolling here is already noted by others, and that you have no intention to stay on topic, here is the first paragraph in the link:

        “Greenpeace co-founder and former president of Greenpeace Canada Patrick Moore described the cynical and corrupt machinations fueling the narrative of anthropocentric global warming and “climate change” in a Wednesday interview on SiriusXM’s Breitbart News Tonight with hosts Rebecca Mansour and Joel Pollak.”

        What about it?

      • My grand parents used to take a little kerosene now and then for what ailed them, they said. They lived good long lives, but I guess I would abstain.

        • Big T

          It works in small quantities. A sort of traditional medicine. Be careful not to breathe it. That’s the trick. It is also why if children swallow some, don’t make them vomit. The second pass only makes them breathe more. It causes chemical pneumonia.

        • most Aussies used to float kero on the rainwater tank to kill the mozzies, it worked.
          they then suggested parraffin as safer
          frankly kero is best it didnt taint the water the parraffin does leave a taste.
          its also efficient for removing nits and deterring bot flies on horses used sparingly on a rag rubbed over the required areas

        • My grandmother used to take a dose of Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) daily having lived near Epsom in England where they have such natural springs. She lived to 97. Aparently, analyses of heart tissues of heart attack patients show a deficiency of magnesium.

    • He said it won’t hurt you to drink it which is true. And that he wouldn’t care to drink it, neither would I.
      You want to dicount everything he says over this? Be glad no one is following you around with a camera. Silly

    • Mr. Anderson,

      Since you HAVE stated something wrong at least once in the past, anything you say from now on is worthless.

      See how easy your stupid sweeping statement is…..?

      Since I used YOUR asinine sweeping statement against YOU, I can easily dismiss anything YOU say into the future, because by YOUR definition anything you say WILL be worthless.

    • Sure Patrick Moore made a somewhat exaggerated claim. We have never seen hyperbole employed by anyone in the climate alarmism industry, have we?

      The LD50 acute toxicity is greater than 5000mg/kg in mice.

      http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/archive/glyphotech.html

      An 80kg man (175 lb) would need to ingest 400g of pure glyphosate to have 50% chance of dying. Roundup is 41% glyphosate so that would be 976g of Roundup. I wasn’t able to find the specific gravity of Roundup, but since glyphosate is about 1.7, it’s likely that 976g would be a bit less than a quart.

      Of course no sane person would drink a quart of herbicide, but they also are not at risk from getting a bit on the skin or eating food that had been sprayed with it.

      There is nothing but dishonesty on the part of that Canal+ interviewer. It was supposed to be an interview about golden rice and was turned into an ambush over an unrelated topic. Then lying activists try to claim that he is a Monsanto employee or lobbyist. Shameful.

      (Ok, now everyone lets get back on topic about his statements surrounding climate change) MOD

      • The danger from Glyphosate is similar to that of salt water, and also relates to salinity imbalance such as what kills in deserts. The chemical itself is not toxic to us n any normal sense, nor cancer-inducing. Forget the lies of recent EU propagandists and pray for Brexit…….Brett, a Plant Pathology Major

        • Excellent point. Try drinking Sea Water and see what happens.. ‘Water, water, all around and not a drop to drink.”

  4. Today, every single person feels on his own skin, and the news is the horrible manifestations of climate change. The phenomenon that there are still some who do not take it will be noticed even a thousand years later will be searched with little results.

  5. Oh, Greenpeace is only getting started in banning the elements carbon and chlorine that start with a ‘c’. Can calcium, chromium, cobalt, copper, cadmium, cesium, cerium, curium, californium and copernicium be far behind in their full employment scheme?

    • You’re missing the pattern dc, it’s not alphabetical. Otherwise why skip Arsenic or Beryllium?

      Those are toxic to humans whereas carbon is essential to life. Chlorine is used to prevent millions of human deaths from contaminated water.

      They are are against anything that promotes human life.

      • you know what’s really dangerous, that compound of chlorine called Sodium Chloride. We must ban that immediately!!! Just think how much more fresh water we would have if we got rid of it all.

        • I don’t know, giving people cheap, abundant water would be like giving an automatic weapon to an idiot child, wouldn’t it? They might reproduce. And besides, water is a dangerous greenhouse gas that we need to phase out.

    • Doc Chuck

      I think common sense is an element of productive consultation, so is that at risk now?

  6. Patrick Moore was making a point about conflict polarization and conflict resolution being closely related but was interrupted.
    I’m not sure what he had in mind but maybe, just maybe, by being so extreme Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie-‘you can’t go too far’-Sanders are doing everyone a favor.
    After all if you believe that Climate Change™ is an existential threat ‘you cannot go too far’, there is no ‘sensible center’.
    As others here have observed it may expose politicians who are cynically using the issue to as a political wedge.

  7. Comment for the moderator – I had a comment banned because I used the genus name for our species, yet you let this Peterson person hijack the comments when he has nothing at all to say about Moore’s talk. I think your filter needs work.

    What Moore said – that is pretty much the way I see it. Also thanks to him for reminding me that I am basically a centrist and not a raving rightwinger because I understand that CO2 is the basis for life and not a satanic gas.

    (He is gone for violating policy) MOD

    • J. Philip Peterson in no way violated any policy. I was “caught” by that interview, and it has done irreprable harm to my credibility. I apologize for it, and wish I could take it back, but unfortunately I can’t. They got me, and I have to suffer because of it.

      Why was the conversation deleted?

      (He was caught doing the same thing he has done many times here, which has nothing to do with what you said, that is why he is blocked once again) MOD

      Policy: “Trolls, flame-bait, personal attacks, thread-jacking, sockpuppetry,….”

      • Don’t worry Moore, the moderators on this site will protect you, even when you screw up. They don’t care about reality.

        [The same troll has stolen Pat Franks identity here, and used an out of United states server. He’s a real (and known) punk. A fix is coming. – Anthony]

        • Don’t worry Pat, The moderators here will try to preserve the original thread (and therefore reality within the paradigm of this blog) despite your interference.

        • He has fooled me a couple time on WUWT. J. Philip Peterson is very close to the name I use on my website and other websites…
          Just the . after the J is the only difference.
          I though he stole MY identity…and I can’t find him on any search on Google or otherwise…Glad he has been temporarily banned.

          (He is PERMANENTLY blocked) MOD

          • I sign all my artwork J Philip Peterson without the ” . “after the J…
            And usually refer to myself as J Philip Peterson.
            Just sayin…
            I have been on this site for years and years…this guy just appeared a few months ago with my name…
            He really confused me when I saw his comments (did I say that?) – no I didn’t. I think he stole my name, cause I was an easy target…well I’m not.

      • C’mon!

        That’s not from Patrick Moore. It’s from the Peter Gleick school of disinformation.

        AKA J. Philip Peterson/Keith Sketchley

      • I agree with what you said in the Breitbart interview. Some corrections: Galileo did not discover the sun is at the center of the solar system. He discovered the moons of Jupiter. Copernicus proposed the heliocentric theory 70 years before Galileo. Copernicus learned it from Aristarchus who originated the theory circa 250 BC. Galileo was not sentenced to death. He was sentenced to imprisonment.

  8. Do we need to confirm that Moore has never misspoken to understand and evaluate his claim that CO2 released by burning fossil fuels was originally in the atmosphere as he mentioned in the interview? That’s just obvious common sense, unless you’re completely ignorant, dishonest, or both. What kind of logic is that actually? It is the logic of a lawyer who has no independent capacity to evaluate a claim and must depend on the credibility of the witness. It’s the fallacy of argument from authority.

    Which claims did Moore make in this interview that you would refute? You won’t say because you’re incompetent to evaluate any scientific claim. But most people here are not. And nobody on the skeptical side is prepared to believe anything that even a great mind like Moore says, simply based on his assertion of it.

    If a mental midget like even Al Gore himself says that oxygen is necessary for life, I am not obliged to reject it and presume that I can’t evaluate his claim just because he has made so many errors in his past claims.

    But if I were a social justice warrior troll with zero scientific knowledge then it would be understandable that I would need to rely blindly on the opinion of experts. If I were a dishonest Alinskyite activist, it would be convenient for me to dismiss strong arguments by misdirection.

  9. Here’s what we are up against.

    Local Toronto cable news channel CP24 this morning:

    Ethiopian air crash involved a” Boeing 737 Dash-8 Maxi”. B737-8 (lost in translation?)

    Daylight saving time means the sun takes longer to rise in the morning, but we get an extra hour of daylight.

    I’m not joking!

  10. I get the feeling (reading comments) that we are joined in conversation by some of those who drove Dr. Moore out of Greenpeace, maybe?

  11. Thoroughly enjoyable interview. Loved the energy.
    Keep it up.

    Patrick M: Please have a look into the CMIP6 results incorporating two solar effects on climate instead of the usual one. It will be a talking point for the next IPCC report because once solar effects are properly considered, there is nearly nothing left for CO2 to explain.

    As the ECS inevitably drops to realistic values (probably less than 05 C, a number of pro-poor policies will be revisited in cold countries, particularly in Asia. Perhaps Demon Coal will be reserved for use by the poor.

  12. Yet again another conspiracy theory with no evidence behind it. Is there any evidence for the claim that
    “ And then you’ve got the green politicians who are buying scientists with government money to produce fear for them in the form of scientific-looking materials. ”

    Such a claim of corruption needs to be backed up by documentary evidence. And certainly it should start with
    a definition of what is meant by a “green politician”. The UK for example has a green party that has only every held one seat out of about 600 and has never been in power. Similarly there is a green party in the USA, Australia, NZ etc but in the English speaking world they have never held any power.

    Furthermore in every democratic country that I am aware of the decisions about what research to fund are deliberately kept completely seperate from the politicians and are decided by panels of others scientists. Plus the scientists themselves have permanent jobs and tenure at Universities. All of which is designed to prevent politicians from buying research about anything.

    • The UN founded the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 1988 to push this agenda, and ever since, climatologists—an increasingly visible and thriving group—have embraced the faith.

      In 2005, I had a conversation with Rajendra Pachauri, an Indian railway engineer, who remade himself into a climatologist and became director of the IPCC, which received the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize under his tenure.

      Pachauri told me, without embarrassment, that, at the UN, he recruited only climatologists convinced of the carbon-dioxide warming explanation, excluding all others.
      -Dr Judith Curry

      This is how the alarmists operate. It is a trillion dollar industry, and money talks. In fact, the alarmists also do a lot of talking, to keep the money flowing.

      And what do the High Priests of the trillion dollar Climate Change Industry have to say?

      “We need to get some broad based support,
      to capture the public’s imagination…
      So we have to offer up scary scenarios,
      make simplified, dramatic statements
      and make little mention of any doubts…
      Each of us has to decide what the right balance
      is between being effective and being honest
      .”

      – Prof. Stephen Schneider,
      Stanford Professor of Climatology, lead author of many IPCC reports

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      “We’ve got to ride this global warming issue.
      Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
      we will be doing the right thing in terms of
      economic and environmental policy.”

      – Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…
      climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
      bring about justice and equality in the world
      .”

      – Christine Stewart, former Canadian Minister of the Environment

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      The data doesn’t matter. We’re not basing our recommendations
      on the data. We’re basing them on the climate models
      .

      – Prof. Chris Folland, Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      “The models are convenient fictions
      that provide something very useful.”

      – Dr David Frame, climate modeler, Oxford University

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      “I believe it is appropriate to have an ‘over-representation’ of the facts
      on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience.”

      – Al Gore,
      Climate Change activist

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      It doesn’t matter what is true,
      it only matters what people believe is true.”

      – Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      <i."The only way to get our society to truly change is to
      frighten people
      with the possibility of a catastrophe.”
      – emeritus professor Daniel Botkin

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      “Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound
      reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world
      has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both
      governments and individuals and an unprecedented
      redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift
      will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences
      of every human action
      be integrated into individual and
      collective decision-making at every level.”

      – UN Agenda 21

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  13. A little historical correction. Lysenko was not a scientist and was a loyal fellow traveller(probably to save his own skin). But, as we’ve started to find out in the last 5?-10 years- non-coding DNA in the genome has many protective and functional contributions. A main one is providing the machinery for producing RNA to make proteins.
    The environment can affect this DNA and change it in response. The change is heritable. It provides an accelerated way for quicker adaptation. We don’t have to wait for the children to die to weed out a problem in the coding DNA. That makes the changes some 5-10X as fast as heritable changes. Probably quite helpful for such things as frogs and moths that can completely change their coloration in as little as 30 years.
    Trofim Lysenko was mostly wrong, about many things, but he did have a small right idea.

    • Lysenko adopted Lamarck’s (1801) theory of ‘evolution by acquired characteristics’, founded on alchemy and the notion of environmental forcings of an individual’s characteristic producing heritable characteristics. A simplified example would be Arnold Schwarzenegger undergoing muscular hypertrophy through personal exertion leading to all of his children retaining the trait of hypertrophy automatically, when they are only inheriting the potential for hypertrophy if they choose to develop it.

      Lysenko was a murderous totalitarian hack who set Soviet agricultural science back for decades. Lamarckianism appealed to Marxist social engineers for purely dogmatic reasons as they tried to force the ‘classes’ to ‘evolve’. Mostly by killing people.

      What you are talking about is environmental factors switching genomic code on/off, a far cry from Lamarck. The phenotype gene expression must have the genotype substrate. The environment can cause random gene mutation, but that is a crap shoot.
      (A hat tip to Gregor Mendel’s model of 1865, giving us a mechanism for biological inheritance.)

  14. Yep, I’ve been pushing the meme that the alarmist narrative is based on fear and guilt for a long time, now.

    Fear and guilt are very effective, for short terms; for the long term they fail, and the harvest is dreadful. I actually feel sorry for the propagandists. Many of them are innocent.
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    • Heh, I’ve said for a long time that Al Gore dropped out of Divinity School after he learned how shamans manipulated hoi polloi with guilt and fear over weather.

      I’d like to say that this is not who we are now, but who am I to say that. It appears we are that.
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  15. A fellow like Patrick Moore is a lightning rod for the left and it’s obliging, well remunerated scientists and their universities. For the co-founder to leave the most celebrated and once highly honest and successful environmental organization because of its co-option by political (and pecuniary) opportunists, is the worst bad press that the entire marxy ‘activist’ class could endure! It’s virtually impossible for the climate hitmen to deal effectively with a sterling character who defines the best and most honorable achievments in the environmental sphere.

    He didnt leave for fame, fortune and rockstar status. He did it because of the integrity that made him a force in the environtal field in the first place. As soon as the revisionists in the modern tawdry version of Greenpeace felt threatened by Moore’s shining of light in the bilge of Greenpeace, they belatedly tried to remove all traces of this founders presence on their website – a telling fact of the impact of this giant of the real environmental movement.

  16. Patrick Moore indicated that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s “Green New Deal” would “kill half of humanity” (the Thanos strategy)

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