Guest essay by Eric Worrall
The frantic public efforts to “correct” President Trump’s tweets every time he trolls the warmists are revealing.
US government scientists correct Trump over climate change statements: ‘Winter storms don’t prove global warming isn’t happening’
President’s outburst follows number of recent tweets gleefully disregarding scientific consensus
Tom Embury-Dennis
Chris Riotta…
Experts were quickly forced to correct the president online, including the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, a government research agency which simply tweeted the statement, “Winter storms don’t prove global warming isn’t happening.”
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In the beautiful Midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. In coming days, expected to get even colder. People can’t last outside even for minutes. What the hell is going on with Global Waming? Please come back fast, we need you!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 29, 2019
Responding to Mr Trump on Twitter, Jonathan Foley, an environmental scientist at the California Academy of Sciences, said: “You knew this was going to happen. It’s cold in less than 1% of the planet for a few days, so the long term warming and destabilization of a planet’s entire climate system must not be true.
“In related news, Trump had a Big Mac today, so there is no such thing as global hunger.”
Winter storms don't prove that global warming isn't happening. https://t.co/LDqfq4JH9n pic.twitter.com/ndmLD637Cb
— NOAA Climate.gov (@NOAAClimate) January 29, 2019
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NOAA’s claim that warm ocean temperatures cause more snowfall is a bit of a turnaround from all the end of snow predictions we’ve heard over the years.
NOAA’s explanation also leaves out a little, such as an explanation of why the heat from the warmer oceans is being lost in transit.
And all the experts who believe climate change is caused by increased levels of CO2, still drive cars and fly on airplanes.
And, Al spore gore did not ride his bike today.
In related news, the forecast high for Venice FL (60F) is 72F higher than the forecast high for Chicago (-12F). Where would you rather be?
…but think of all the bananas that were planted in Cleveland
If Venus FL is only 1200 km away from Chicago you could just drop the Chicago readings and substitute that of Venus to have a nice day in Chicago. It happens all the time in ‘climate science’.
Venice is 1061 miles away from Chicago. So just average the two and you get 24F for that grid.
Hmm, perhaps still a problem with low temps, could you please expand it to include the Amazon?
“…Venice is 1061 miles away from Chicago.”
Extrapolating the Chicago-Venice Temperature gradient ºF/mile gives us high of 61.36ºF on Sanibel.
Thanks Tom
Cheers
Mike
LOL eyes! I guess if the cold persists, we can always relieve the situation by adjusting it warmer. Science has come along way in mitigation.
from the scientists who prophesied the end of snow,
who could see a link to Glow-Bull Warming in every summer storm, heat wave, and drought. now they cannot see a connection to a cold spell.
At around the 2:40 point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrgBF2Zc3mc
“do you hear laughter, Pharaoh?”
But it’s more serious. These geniuses want to get rid of reliable energy supplies and replace them with generators that don’t work at extremely low temperatures or when covered by snow and ice.
If they take the position that these “extremes” will become more common, then it is even more critical to have reliable systems.
generators? get real, it will be all green energy – solar and wind, Energiewende in our time!
“Experts were quickly forced to correct the president online…” So, the question is, how do you go about correcting something that is true, but was never stated by Trump? He made no statement about Globull Warming. Just asked where it went and asked for it to come back.
And the stupid teakettle illustration! The question is not where the moisture came from, but rather, where did the heat go that should have turned it into rain instead of snow. We’re broiling…except for where we are freezing!
PBH
When I was growing up, this type of weather was used as evidence that it was getting cooler and a new ice age could be approaching. That is actually logically consistent.
In actuality, the average climate may be warmer today than it was over 150 years ago toward the end of the Little Ice Age, but it is really no different today than it’s been within the pact 100 years.
Correct Kym, global waming isn’t happening. Your point being…
Cold is the worst kind of warming.
They are going to rename cold as anti-warming so still warming just different and they will argue correct under classical physics.
We could ask the greens in Vancouver. They call rain “liquid sunshine”.
Perhaps snow is correctly termed, “illiquid sunshine”.
Here is the Warmunists idea of what passes for a humorous response to being climate trolled by Trump, and anyone else daring to repeat what he said (or some version of it). As usual, the response by the climate nazis is violence, the classic example being the 10/10 video.
Bruce Cobb
Either he’s a really bad satirist (self described) or I have that completely wrong as it seems to me that he’s taking the piss out of the AGW faithful.
Mind you, it’s sometimes difficult to tell with satirical comedians.
Trump’s tweets, and similar comments by others were never meant to prove global warming doesn’t exist. The tweets were meant to prove that alarmist predictions about catastrophic events caused by global warming, like “the end of snow”, are complete bs. The tweet from NOAA is a classic “look over there!” misdirection.
Make America Warm Again!
““In related news, Trump had a Big Mac today, so there is no such thing as global hunger.””
There’s no such thing as global hunger. Hunger, like weather/climate, is local.
When you jump on every extreme weather events has ‘proof’ of your claims.
You really have no foot to stand on when others play the same game to disprove your claims.
But that they should think that ‘heads you lose , tails I win ‘ is good way of doing science , merely shows how awful their science is in the first place.
As a counter to constant narrative of the “evidence suggests that bad things could happen more often in the years to come” variety, I’ve taken to noting the record daily highs and lows that are printed in my newspaper. Rummaging through the recycle bin and today’s paper reveal the following context about today’s (Jan. 30) record low of -15:
Jan. 26: -22 (F) / 1894
Jan. 27: -11 / 1936
Jan. 28: Can’t find the paper
Jan. 29: -14 / 1915
Jan. 30: -12 / 1899
1. What is so unusual about today?
2. Why weren’t those records related to “polar vortexes”? Or did we just adopt a scary terminology to further the narrative?
3. Was there a little warming in the Arctic associated with any of the dips of arctic air to lower latitudes?
1. Record temperatures are always unusual. It kind of goes with the territory.
2. They were all related to polar vortexes, but they didn’t call them that then.
3. When Arctic air drops south, mid-latitude air must go north to replace it. Nature abhors a vacuum. That warmer air is quickly cooled by the lack of sunlight and very high albedo of the frozen wastes.
“That warmer air is quickly cooled by the lack of sunlight and very high albedo of the frozen wastes.”
One sec: you are considering visible wavelengths when you write “very high albedo”. In IR (which is the outgoing radiation from a warm surface) ice and water are as good at absorbing and emitting IR as flat black paint.
Sensible heat (transported in the form of warm air) will warm the surface by contact and the surface will radiate that energy into space as IR as if the surface was black (because to IR, it is). Heat from the arctic Ocean warms the ice and the ice in turn radiates it very effectively into space in the IR bands. Ice only reflects visible light.
“2. They were all related to polar vortexes, but they didn’t call them that then.
3. When Arctic air drops south, mid-latitude air must go north to replace it. Nature abhors a vacuum.”
Excellent summation.
Arctic air drops south every year about this time of year. My favorite weather forecaster, Janice Dean, says this cold shot may be our last really cold weather of the winter season.
Here in my neck of the woods (Oklahoma) it is usual for temperatures to get down close to zero F about once each winter. This year the coldest I got was about 15 F, and now Janice says the real cold weather is going away for the rest of the season so I gues we won’t be seeing zero F around here. I love it! Hate that cold weather. I feel for the folks in the northcentral and northeast U.S. A couple of more days and it will be a lot better. Hang in there!
I wonder how those windmills are doing right about now up there in the extreme cold weather.
The “scientific-technological elite” have spoken! Eisenhower nailed that one.
As long as we get it all straight………..
Anything the goofballs dream up to attribute to humans is scientifically robust.
All things summer and fires are proof of AGW but winter and widespread freezing is just weather.
“Winter storms don’t prove that global warming isn’t happening. ”
So now “science” has evolved to the point of proving negatives instead of proving that something actually did happen and it can be observed and replicated.
Time for me to get out in the cold atop my Skittle-powered Unicorn with the Deluxe Thermonuclear heater system.
Are you intending on having a standby e-cat for backup?
Kim, I have a few very important questions for you:
What methods do you use for transportation?, including automobiles, buses, trains, planes, or bicycles? [Double no-no if you drive electric vehicles seeing as the “carbon footprint” to bring those precious metals to production and then of course safely dispose of them in an environmentally friendly method, is quite large]
How do you heat your home?
How do you power your electricity?
With what means was your house built?
How do you access your food? How do you store the food that needs stored under 40F?
Where did you source your clothing?
How do you access your water?
Just wondering, because, for someone preaching about the evils of CO2 and how dangerous it is, I would bet everything I have ever made, everything I have now, and everything I will ever make that you could not possibly survive without depending on oil and gas for those means.
I’ll wait patiently for your response 🙂
Let me help you, humans are not causing the climate to change, humans can not stop the climate from changing, Co2 is plant food not pollution. Your welcome.
???? strange…. the way I parsed Kims’ comment didn’t make me think he/she was espousing the evils of co2… maybe I’m wrong.
Kym has a history.
I suppose you’d need to know her history of trolling to understand the context.
“I think they meant waming, global waming isn’t happening.” Is a poor attempt to demonstrate Trump is stupid because of a typo. She apparently is not aware it’s unsure whether he actually is the one using Twitter:
https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-twitter-3367559
Not does she understand the strategy pointed out by others on this site that it helps get the message our because people share based on grammatical errors… Ensuring far more coverage than would otherwise happen.
It’s clever but the likes of Kim would likely never admit such a thing.
“Is a poor attempt to demonstrate Trump is stupid because of a typo”
Trump’s spellchecker may have substituted another spelling. Like happens in these comments on a daily basis, and probably everywhere else. But if all you can do is grasp at straws to trash Trump, then I guess that’s what you do if that’s your aim.
Trump is the best troller around. I love the guy! 🙂
Trump should offer to put solar panels on the southern border wall in exchange for the Democrats funding the wall.
Which is ironic considering Trump has taught these TDS sufferers several new words since he has become POTUS. To this day you will still see them using these real words in jest as if they aren’t words at all. You can’t fix stupid that was brought on by decades of indoctrination.
Tom,
Perhaps if the power goes to Mexico, they might submit some of the funding as well
uh hu… thanks for the inxight makes sense (or not) now
Thanks for the insight… It makes sense ( or not) now!
Matthew Drobnick
““I think they meant waming, global waming isn’t happening.” Is a poor attempt to demonstrate Trump is stupid because of a typo.”
It certainly is a wasted poor attempt. We are way past Trump being considered stupid. He is well on the way to imbecile, not even newsworthy that he didn’t stop at moron.
@Simon – he is a billionaire, a celebrity, and the leader of the free world.
And you spend your time on message boards convincing people that cold is actually warm in disguise. And promoting the idea that we should give up fossil fuels that power our modern economy. Because there is a statistical warming identified by activists with a biased viewpoint, that can’t actually be noticed by anyone, because it is tenths of a degree per DECADE.
Smart people don’t need to call others morons, to feel good about themselves. It is obvious to themselves, and those around them, because they can do things others can’t. You may want to consider that next time you are tempted to call accomplished people stupid.
Russ R
“And you spend your time on message boards convincing people that cold is actually warm in disguise.”
Nope. Cold is cold it just doesn’t mean the planet is not warming. Climate change 101 tells us that. Where I live we are breaking heat records. But that in itself doesn’t mean the planet is warming. Look at the big picture. Here I will help you…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Temperature_Anomaly.svg
“Smart people don’t need to call others morons, ”
I said he didn’t stop at moron, so wrong again.
30 years of global waming scam, and it is 40*F below average temps in a wide swath of the middle of the country.
And you think he is “well on the way to imbecile”?
Better save your criticisms for when it is 40*F above the average. I have been hearing that is going to be any day now. And we will surely suffer for our sins of emissions!
Simon, listen to yourself!:
“Nope. Cold is cold it just doesn’t mean the planet is not warming.”
You…ah nuts you will never get it.
Gary Pearse
“You…ah nuts you will never get it.”
What don’t I get? That a climate simpleton like Trump thinks it’s funny or relevant that when he looks outside and it is cold, it means climate change is not real? I get how ridiculously uninformed it makes him look. don’t you?
Russ R
“30 years of global waming scam, and it is 40*F below average temps in a wide swath of the middle of the country.”
Oh dear another “it’s cold it’s not real” apostle.
Every time Simon actually gets serious and tries to point to an issue on which Trump is wrong, it’s been shown that Simon is the one with no connection to reality.
So to be safe, Simon now just whines from the sidelines.
Yes we know Simon, everyone who disagrees with you is stupid. Now see the nurse for your milk and cookies.
To Simon, it doesn’t matter what the real world temperatures are, the models say it is warming, so it is. His gods say it is warming, so it is.
If the data doesn’t match, the data is wrong and will be adjusted.
@Simon – What is outside the window is killing real people, right now. The AGW industry has spent $$$billions in taxpayer funds, trying to tie a statistical global temperature anomaly to real world climate. They have currently failed miserably. And there is no indication they are knowledgeable about future climate variations. They recommend costly changes in energy generation, and energy usage to avoid future climate problems they claim are unavoidable if we don’t change. And your agenda is to ridicule those that point out that their current methodology is flawed by a biased political agenda.
@Simon – and I am an apostle of “don’t listen to idiots that recommend wind and solar to replace coal and natural gas”. Because when the cold comes back, those low power density systems will not keep you warm.
And once again, the smart money was prepared for your failures, and the stupid money was freezing in the dark, waiting for power from systems that don’t provide power when you need it most.
s/he is, in her way, espousing the evils of not being a bandwagon progressive.
(also note … useful idiots that are partially aware get irritated when they are indirectly reminded that they are useful idiots)
That is great! Address people into a state of reality. Stupidity is not a state, you have to be taught.
You could but you would have to live in a cave, heat it with the help of it’s internal Hot Spring, Hunt animals and grow plants for food, wear their hides as clothing, and source your water from a nearby artesian well. Not very many locations would have ALL those requirements
/sarc
I love NOAA’s description of ocean temps … warmer ??? that water will kill you from hypothermia within minutes at that “warmer” temperature … I wish someone would quantify the difference in evaporation from a 1 degree rise in ocean temps … I seriously doubt that its measurable at those temperature levels (i.e. very cold) …
CO2 emissions are spread throughout the atmosphere where they block 0.82 eV photons from radiating from the surface directly to space. But from there, the magic CO2 molecule sends the heat to…the bottom of the ocean, deep into the soil, and concentrated into laser beams aimed directly at flying insects, but only the flying insects which are deemed essential for human survival. Did I get the science right?
Yes, but you need to but quotation marks around the word ‘science’.
Well stated. My variant theory is based on Contra Polar Energy. Global warming causes the normal energy balance to allow leakage of this normally neutralized form which will cause the added heat in the atmosphere to be shunted to the deep oceans and lower rock strata thus hiding the missing heat until just the right moment of imbalance which was leaked by a young politician who stated this would happen in 13 years. I’m told by a reliable source that the article was true but the military has since suppressed it and discredited it. Here is the reference. Ignore that it was published April 1, 1955 as I’m sure that was simply a coincidence.
http://hoaxes.org/af_database/permalink/contra_polar_energy
(do I need to add /sarc ???)
I’ll just assume since you didn’t officially add the /sarc tag that you are serious. But there is no way to tell if you are right or I am right, so let’s average our conclusions and call it settled science.
Funny how “experts” aren’t quickly forced to correct the mainstream media whenever they try to link a weather event to anthropogenic climate change…
I suspect this summer when we have a record hot day, and claims of global warming surface from the MSM, Trump will remind kindly remind them it’s just a weather event. I think he plays the long game.
THEY will of course say that it’s not fair to turn around and use THEIR arguments on THEM. IT’S NOT FAIR, … NOT FAIR… WAH WAH WAH !!
That’s the only reason I use it. To point out the lack of logic.
The response I get from the faithful:
“That’s different! Global warming causes cooling. ”
Seriously. I can’t tell you how often I get that response
Trump repeatedly breaks the taboo that “you can’t talk about this!” IOW, AGW is BS, if you want to stay a member of the upper class. Fortunately, Trump’s making common sense and free speech fashionable again. MAGA!!!
If you really want an answer, you are going to have to define “any eventuality”.
Better question. If the 2050 (or more ambitious 2030) 100% green energy plan (NO coal, oil, gas) were in place today, would it still be -30 degrees in the mid west? And if it were still -30, would there be more or less deaths, given the green energy plan (NO coal … not even for back up)?
(neither question is “the” question, but mine is better)
I think it’s equally peculiar that a company which puffs itself off as an accurate weather forecasting site posts an incorrect overnight temperature.
SUNRISE/SUNSET
Sunrise: 7:07 AM
Sunset: 5:03 PM
Duration: 9:56 hr
MOONRISE/MOONSET
Moonrise: 2:59 AM
Moonset: 12:54 PM
Duration: 9:55 hr
Astronomy
TEMPERATURE SUMMARY 11:07 AM
Temp (°F)
Now -20°
Yesterday -43°
I will not say which one this is, but in my area, it did NOT get to minus 43F last night. If it had, my pipes would be frozen and I’d have the plumber here trying to thaw them out. This is ridiculous, but it goes along with their hysterics in posting “realfeel” temperatures as if they are the actual temperatures.
Tried to contact them about this error: blank page.
This idiotic scramble by “scientists” to fall into a mind-numbing blindness to reality is bothersome. It means that attention and cash are more important than accuracy. How can those people expect us to trust them when they act like a bunch of little kids?
Sara, where I live they constantly inflate our low…..says our low last night was a good 10 degrees warmer than what my thermometer said…and the official weather station is only 8 blocks away
Perhaps the Official Station is indoors so they don’t have to go out into the cold to get the readings.
Where I live, official “low” temperatures published on Accuweather sute are consistently higher by 7 or even 10 degreees Celsius than actually measured low temperatures early in the morning (I have to thermometers outside, digital and traditional, and they agree).
Not only all their “consensus” models failed. the temperature data they use are fake.
“Winter storms don’t prove global warming isn’t happening.”
And hurricanes, tornadoes, droughts, floods, and wildfires don’t prove global warming IS happening, and are NOT “climate events.”
It’s ALL “just weather.”
So when “they” stop with the BS claims that “bad” weather is “because climate change,” then we’ll stop having fun pointing out the “inconvenient” weather.
Do they assume that cold transfers negative energy to the hot ? And condensation water produces more negative energy than what it took to evaporate it ? Wow. Quite an interesting thermodynamics I was not aware of.
The whole climate heat exchange modeling is fundamentally flawed. Please consider my layman reasoning:
-I come in the morning and find that the engines have cooled, they are at ambiant temperature.
When were they hot, running for the last time ? Yesterday ? The day before ? The month before ?
Information has been lost and I see no way to find my answer with a sole thermometer.
I’ll need further information from the supposedly reliable logbook.
Is there a sort of reliable over the extend of that many eras since big bang climate logbook ?
A better tweet would be “These deep freezes are exactly the kind of weather events you can expect with global warming.”
How do they respond to THAT?
Based on past experience they would tweet “Trump changes position on global warming crises. Now accepts consensus.”
Frantic Climate TROUGHERS Respond ….
They don’t know what snow is: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/30/uk-weather-significant-amounts-snow-way-temperatures-set-hit/