French Doctors on Yellow Vest Carbon Tax Protestors: “Alarming” Number of Injuries

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French Flashball Weapon. By Nerban Del BurnOwn work (Personal work), CC BY-SA 2.0 fr, Link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

French Doctors have sounded the alarm over apparent rough treatment by security forces of yellow vest protestors marching against President Macron’s carbon tax.

Doctors Say Number of Serious Injuries Inflicted on Yellow Vests Unprecedented

Chris Tomlinson
23 Jan 2019

Doctors, activists and others are sounding the alarm over the number of serious injuries suffered by Gilets Jaunes (Yellow Vest) movement activists at the hands of police during the past several weeks.

The French Interior Ministry has claimed that in the first nine weeks of the Yellow Vest protests around 1,800 protesters and 1,000 police officers have been injured but have not separated out those with serious injuries, L’Express reports.

Doctors in France’s emergency rooms say that some of the injuries have been extremely serious, blaming the police use of “flash-ball” shots which have led to some of the most serious injuries, including at least four protestors, two of them women, who have lost an eye and suffered some form of disfigurement.

Read more: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/01/23/doctors-say-number-of-serious-injuries-inflicted-on-yellow-vests-unprecedented/

Flash-ball weapons fire large plastic or rubber bullets with the force of a .38, but since the balls are larger than a .38 they are far less likely to penetrate flesh. Nevertheless they are capable of inflicting severe injuries, especially if they hit someone’s head.

I personally think French politicians are out of their minds for fixating on advancing climate action at the expense of social stability.

History suggests that rough treatment of people with a legitimate and painful grievance rarely quells the unrest; a more likely possibility is that French people subject to such brutality will tool up and retaliate against security forces with their own weapons, leading to escalation and possible civil war.

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AndyE
January 24, 2019 8:14 pm

Beware of the French great unwashed, once they get aroused. They chop off the heads of their opponents. Macron knows that. He will cave in.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  AndyE
January 25, 2019 1:19 am

I’m not sure that Macron louis the VI will be allowed to give in. He cost the EU and it’s corporations a fortune to put in the Elyses Palace. I think they will keep telling what to do and it will be brutal. However, we still have some little democracy and can vote REM out of EU and eventually out of france.

January 24, 2019 8:17 pm

As the some of the Gilets Jaunes protestors have noted, that most French political solution is carbon neutral in its application.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ0KqCpsFkY

or other episodes:
https://www.dreuz.info/2018/12/23/gilets-jaunes-leffigie-de-macron-decapitee-en-charente-signalement-a-la-justice/comment-page-1/

markl
January 24, 2019 8:24 pm

So do I understand this correctly? The Left/Greens/Alarmists are saying they are being treated unfairly for calling out the hypocrisy of the Left/Greens/Alarmists?

F. Ross
January 24, 2019 8:29 pm

The Constitution of the French Fifth Republic needs to be modified to have a Bill of Rights – and especially including a Second Amendment.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  F. Ross
January 24, 2019 8:36 pm

F. Ross
Yes, but they DON’T have a Second Amendment. The populace is effectively disarmed — just like before the Bastille was attacked. Today, only the military, police, and terrorists are well-armed in France.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 24, 2019 8:39 pm

Like The UK, Australia and New Zealand to name a few more now without the right to defend themselves from the state.

Daniel
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 24, 2019 9:14 pm

I live in Australia I have a bolt action 308 a bolt 350 mag a pump action 3oo win mag a marlin 1894 in 44 mag 2 shotguns and a switch barrel tc with 4 different barrels not exactly defenceless .

Michael Noll
Reply to  Daniel
January 25, 2019 1:24 am

Your required to have a firearm license , so they know where they are.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Daniel
January 25, 2019 5:06 am

“Michael Noll January 25, 2019 at 1:24 am

Your required to have a firearm license , so they know where they are.”

Exactly. Criminals on the other hand, not so. Daniel doesn’t seem to get my point.

Tommyboy
Reply to  Daniel
January 25, 2019 7:41 pm

Very reasonable since nearly every creature in Australia is deadly.

Alan Curtis
Reply to  Daniel
January 28, 2019 10:08 pm

Daniel, I also live in Australia and I have five small weapons, all legal – .22 mainly. I would say that you and I are definitely in the small minority and we are probably largely outnumbered by illegal weapons. I have mine on the basis of living on a property with a few cows in an area with feral pigs and dogs.

mikewaite
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 25, 2019 12:19 am

But are there not are a lot of hunting clubs in France whose members own legal firearms?

simple-touriste
Reply to  mikewaite
January 25, 2019 2:38 am

Legal firearms for sport can only be carried in a case, in a well specified path from home to training club that needs to be declared.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 25, 2019 1:23 am

My neighbour has three guns. In the country we are well armed and it’s in the country that people are suffering most from Macron’s stupidity.

Incidently, unlike the UK we do have a written constitution and a supreme constitutional court. As in the US, it doesn’t amount to much if you do not control the senat.

Liberté, Fraternité, egalité. It was used against Hollande’s 75% tax and the people won.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Stephen Richards
January 25, 2019 1:31 am

Was gaining Macron, what you call a win??

chris moffatt
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 25, 2019 5:01 pm

“…only the military, police, and terrorists are well-armed in France.” And criminals. Only ordinary law-abiding citizens are unarmed. How long will that continue to be the case given the millions of weapons in circulation and the willingness of many dealers to sell to anyone? Also France was one of the last to give up conscription for national service so, unlike the UK, there are many in France who still remember how to shoot.

Michael S. Kelly, LS, BSA, Ret.
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 25, 2019 6:19 pm

The Second Amendment was designed precisely to allow citizens to defend themselves against the government. James Madison wrote extensively about it, and about the fact that no other nation allowed an armed citizenry. The Second Amendment is one of the things that makes America “exceptional.”

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
January 28, 2019 9:50 am

Clyde Spencer, you think “the French populace” to be “effectively disarmed”

How comes you think that:

https://www.google.com/search?q=french+farmers+sporting+shotguns+for+game+hunting&oq=french+farmers+sporting+shotguns+for+game+hunting&aqs=chrome.

Clyde Spencer
January 24, 2019 8:33 pm

“History suggests that rough treatment of people with a legitimate and painful grievance rarely quells the unrest;” Does “Bastille” ring a bell?

January 24, 2019 8:44 pm

One little factoid -fyi- of the Gilets Jaunes movement that has not been reported in the English language: The yellow vests have been “Decomissioning” street video cameras that are used by police to monitor traffic and surveil streets.
I think i know what that means but e’ll see if it ripens.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Carlos Ramírez
January 25, 2019 1:24 am

And speed cameras. Last count was about 60% of all fixed speed cameras are disabled.

Irrtable Bill
January 24, 2019 8:45 pm

I notice Macron and Merkel et al are pushing like hell to get this UN Army battle ready. Don’t think any of this has not been discussed by them all and the likes of Obama. Hitler used a period of turmoil to form a socialist dictatorship, they all do…..if I were Trump I would be making allies (a deal) with the previous Eastern European countries inc Russia, that want nothing to do with UN communism.
Western Europe is committing suicide.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Irrtable Bill
January 25, 2019 1:28 am

Trump has already pulled Eastern Europe closer. The interesting question about the Merkel Louis Pact is why? I though they supported an integrated Europe. The Swedish guy on youtube made th point that they maybe see the end of the EU after Brexit and trying to form a new core group to keep the euro and EU going after the collapse. Let’s face it, they are both dead men walking. Neither will be in power after the next elections.

Reply to  Irrtable Bill
January 25, 2019 4:19 am

Law and order conservative tyrants are elected in fear of chaotic anarchy of the progressives. Hitler was elected.

Shawn Marshall
Reply to  Doug Huffman
January 25, 2019 5:07 am

Hitler was a Socialist not a Conservative.

Reply to  Shawn Marshall
January 25, 2019 5:25 am

The key distinctions were “International Socialists” and “National Socialists”.
One was called Left and the other Right.
Both were authoritarian.

MarkW
Reply to  Bob Hoye
January 25, 2019 9:15 am

National socialists are still socialists. They are all creatures of the left.

Phil A. Stein
Reply to  Shawn Marshall
January 26, 2019 12:35 pm

Hitler was a fascist dictator which trumps any other “philosophy” he might have.

John Endicott
Reply to  Doug Huffman
January 25, 2019 5:39 am

Doug you are talking nonsense.
progressives/socialists are for big government and all for the restriction of individual freedoms.
anarchy is absence of government and all about absolute freedom of the individual
the two are incompatible.

and BTW, Hitler was a socialist (it was not called the national socialist party for no reason)

Ken Irwin
Reply to  John Endicott
January 25, 2019 7:07 am

But if Hitler was just starting his rise to power today the press would call him “progressive”.

An euphemism that covers a lot of evil.

drednicolson
Reply to  John Endicott
January 25, 2019 7:42 am

If anything, proper anarchism is just about as far right as you can get.

jtom
Reply to  drednicolson
January 25, 2019 4:46 pm

Perhaps by strict definition, but in reality, the anarchists are members of the left. The problem is, the right believe in law and order, the antithesis of anarchy, while the left want to destroy the existing eco-political system, and the turmoil of that attracts the anarchists.

ironargonaut
Reply to  drednicolson
January 28, 2019 1:57 am

Politics is a circle, w/o checks and balances extremism on either side leads to totalitarian gov’t.
Vote for who doesn’t want gov’t to have power over everything. Even if that makes you slightly less “safe”.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Doug Huffman
January 28, 2019 1:53 am

Hitler wasn’t elected that is a myth. Look it up, it’s to complicated for me to rewrite.
http://factmyth.com/factoids/hitler-was-elected-in-a-democratic-election/

George Hebbard
Reply to  Irrtable Bill
January 25, 2019 5:54 am

It is interesting that the USA Constitution forbids a standing army from being used for Police action. Nobody really believes this would stop the Depp State if we really tried to get rid of the Kleptocrats without overwhelming election stats.

MarkW
Reply to  George Hebbard
January 25, 2019 9:16 am

Johnny Depp?

Reply to  George Hebbard
January 25, 2019 2:06 pm

Sorry, but no, it does not. The government, through legislation did that, with the Posse Comitatus Act. And they can undo it just as easily. Should also note, that it does not prohibit the National Guard or state run militia from doing anything, although they generally act as if it does.

ironargonaut
Reply to  George Hebbard
January 28, 2019 2:00 am

Correct, but we realized that was stupid after getting ships and crews seized by foreign powers and getting whooped at the beginning of a couple of wars. How many times has Washington DC been sacked?

ironargonaut
Reply to  ironargonaut
January 28, 2019 2:02 am

I’m commenting solely on the standing army part, no army no police action.

Kenji
Reply to  Irrtable Bill
January 25, 2019 6:41 am

So where are all the leftist medical groups like … Doctors Without Borders? Or … Amnesty International? Why aren’t THEY reporting on these horrific injuries? Ohhhh yeahhh … they’re LEFTISTS … not humanitarians. Good to know.

Dave F
Reply to  Irrtable Bill
January 25, 2019 9:27 am

France and Germany have signed a defense pact. Interesting that each government has as its current prime existential threat the populace. So does Macron call Merkel and ask for the Wehrmacht to come in and help out. I believe that there is some precedence for that.

Alan Tomalty
January 24, 2019 8:59 pm

We are in a world war now. On one side are green leftists who believe in fairy tales of free energy from wind and solar and also believe that capitalism is evil. They also believe in the scams of CO2 and CFC’s being poisons to the environment. They have faith in main stream media that really serves to keep them in their bubble.

The main planks of the left beliefs are:

The leftest view of the world is all wrong. They believe:
1)All cultures are equal in worth and values.
2) All religions should be respected.
3) There is an entity called free will in each human. (See the book by Bruce Hood on “The Self Illusion” that proves otherwise)
4) Equality of outcome should be aspired to ( This leads to socialism and then to dictatorship.)
5) CO2 is a pollutant
6) Green energy is nirvana
7) A hard core criminal in most cases can be converted to change and repent if only through enough reeducation.
8) There are more than 2 genders.
9) The main stream media is not biased towards leftest positions
10) The Chinese Communist party will eventually reform and stop its attempted domination of the world.
11) First past the post election systems are bad and everything should be proportional representation.
12) In past generations the non white world was noble and without violence nor discrimination (the noble savage hypothesis).
13) Open borders are compatible with the modern welfare state.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
January 24, 2019 9:44 pm

No.
On one side are political power elites (always in search of more power and their own energy security) and their tool “green leftists who believe in fairy tales”. On the other other side is middle class who the Elites want to control and subjugate using propaganda and self-guilt.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 25, 2019 1:13 am

NO, Political power elites in democratic countries have to be voted in. Macron was voted in. It seems he will have to leave before he is voted out.

jtom
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
January 25, 2019 4:57 pm

zin the US, political power elites orchestrated to only have political power elites stand for national office (ignoring third-parties with no chance of winning). So the voters never had a true choice. Communist countries, after all, have elections, too.

It is my not so humble belief that the ferocity of these elites against Trump is to ensure that no outsider like Trump ever attempts to do what he did. Few could tolerate what Trump has endured. He has, at the least, disrupted their timetable amd cost them money.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 25, 2019 1:27 am

Yeah I was wondering what you were asking 🙂

Let me guess, from his statement I think we can exclude ‘power elite’ and ‘green leftist’, so …

John Endicott
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
January 25, 2019 5:44 am

The main planks of the left beliefs are:

The leftest view of the world is all wrong. They believe:
1)All cultures are equal in worth and values.

Unless that culture is straight, white or Christian.

2) All religions should be respected.

Except for Christianity.

3) There is an entity called free will in each human. (See the book by Bruce Hood on “The Self Illusion” that proves otherwise)

Sorry, nope. the left does all it can to restrict humans from expressing any kind of free will, you mindlessly toe the party line or you get destroyed. Further they believe that every human thinks the way their identity-group is supposed to think (that alone shows they don’t believe in free will).

drednicolson
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
January 25, 2019 7:38 am

If you are an illusion, who is there to be fooled?

Richard Patton
Reply to  Alan Tomalty
January 25, 2019 12:34 pm

Item #3, Free Will, has been debated for millennia. There are those who argue that even God doesn’t have perfect free will, after all, He cannot choose to do evil, he cannot choose not to be just, etc. So I wouldn’t put that as a leftist plank.

Ve2
January 24, 2019 9:42 pm

Simple way to avoid injury at the hands of the police
Convert to Islam, they wouldn’t go within a bulls roar of the protesters.

Reply to  Ve2
January 24, 2019 9:49 pm

Convert to Islam? Are you FN? (that is not something to /sarc about… really)
Why not just go straight to a ball-bearing loaded suicide vest for your 72 virgins in paradise then??

MarkW
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 25, 2019 9:19 am

What they don’t tell you is that 72 virgins will stay virgins for all of eternity.

yarpos
January 24, 2019 9:42 pm

Havent heard the “tool up” term for some time. I hope not, but sadly a real risk.

Scarface
January 24, 2019 11:50 pm

Why do you thing that especially Germany and France are so eager to form a European army?
Not for Russia. They fear their population more.

Wait till the Waffen-EU kicks in. The french aint seen nothing yet.

griff
Reply to  Scarface
January 25, 2019 12:50 am

The EU army will conscript your kids meme is a deliberate flat lie. I think you should take a look at who is pushing it…

Rod Evans
Reply to  griff
January 25, 2019 1:37 am

So far just you by the look of it griff.

John Endicott
Reply to  griff
January 25, 2019 5:47 am

As you are the only one talking about “conscripting your kids”, It looks like the one pushing that strawman lie is you.

Jaap Titulaer
January 25, 2019 12:02 am

I personally think French politicians are out of their minds for fixating on advancing climate action at the expense of social stability.

Indeed, it is both futile and needless. And yet the faithful continue to pursue their idiotic agendas.
Problem for them is that the people are waking up to reality. But then some of those very same peoples voted some of them in, they’ll need to start fixing that first.
If the macaronis continue their course there will be civil war, it seems they still don’t get that.

Flight Level
January 25, 2019 12:14 am

I would advise younger generations to actively learn Russian language.

CO2, the unavoidable byproduct of our respiration has been declared harmful. From that onwards, sky’s the limit.

We have all it takes to start a civil war. Namely all legal instruments for a widespread of dictatorship governance.

From what we perceive, Russia is the less contaminated by green ideology powerful country. Guess their past experience matters in the process.

And happens, they have more than enough things that fly quite fast indeed.

A situation that will unavoidably conflict with the green worldwide hegemony.

So yes, learning Russian might be a valuable asset for the aftermaths.

Hugs
Reply to  Flight Level
January 25, 2019 12:33 am

“I would advise younger generations to actively learn Russian language.”

No ****, my father almost lost his balls in trying to stop that (among other things) forced on us. I’m not going to suggest my children should learn that. I would advice for building an EU army. Every country has an army, either its own, or somebody else’s. Putin flies his military planes in neighboring countries at will, not a single provocation has lead to a Russian plane shot down. Why might be that?

Flight Level
Reply to  Hugs
January 25, 2019 1:32 am

Dear Hugs,
Back then in 44, those who knew English could express their gratitude to the liberator boys. We are eternally glad they came to our rescue.

Today our governments are at war with us. An emission tax dictatorship sweeps all over EU and will lead us to expect a helping hand.

Here, we are also taxed for NoX emissions. Greens have gone just too far. EU is on it’s way to a serious civil unrest. Once it starts…

History is a revolving wheel.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Flight Level
January 25, 2019 2:33 am

And that’s why Manfred Weber, a German crony of Merkel, must not become successor to the sciatic Juncker the drunker. Although, the appointment of Weber might be that one step too far and this unholy alliance of Uber-regulating incompetence falls apart quickly.

Hugs
Reply to  Hugs
January 25, 2019 8:59 am

’Back then in 44, those who knew English could express their gratitude to the liberator boys. We are eternally glad they came to our rescue.’

Well, in West Germany you’d be glad to know English. In East Germany, you’d just be unhappy you could not keep the ‘liberators’ further away.

Note that it was illegal to tell this unhappiness to your children in the East.

Our government might be in war, but it’s our and not a Russian government. Which is a plus you know? Just say Gulag if you don’t.

MarkW
Reply to  Flight Level
January 25, 2019 9:23 am

Why is a Russian dictatorship better than what our own government has planned for us?

Flight Level
Reply to  MarkW
January 25, 2019 3:40 pm

Be realistic MarkW.

Our governments don’t spare efforts to destroy our industry by shuttering access to affordable energy. There’s no industry without energy.

To the contrary, Russia does all it can to affirm it’s industry.

At a point in time this will seriously clash with the UN governance of resources. And some hot-head might as well decide to pull the trigger and fire the first shot to save the planet.

Which would lead to a serious aftermath once the smoke has cleared.

On the continent we’re convinced that learning Russian is a better option in such case.

I mean, yes, we have to smile and look happy. However… There are coffee-time rumors of who had been glanced at or buzzed, at which altitude and where.

Those guys are training and they seem very handy with their boy-toys anywhere they’re pleased totally oblivious of getting speed tickets.

Our situation is not comfortable by any means, stuck between our green monarchy and the interests of the energy and industry friendly and freaking well tooled Russia.

MattS
January 25, 2019 12:17 am

Give the easy access to weapons, and the fact many rural French have weapons (rifles, shotguns) that they havent started shooting back.

Jones
January 25, 2019 12:31 am

“I personally think French politicians are out of their minds for fixating on advancing climate action at the expense of social stability.

History suggests that rough treatment of people with a legitimate and painful grievance rarely quells the unrest; a more likely possibility is that French people subject to such brutality will tool up and retaliate against security forces with their own weapons, leading to escalation and possible civil war.”

Indeed. Yet history does keep repeating itself in this regard.

It also often seems to be related to a belief by the powers that be that they are in control.

Non Nomen
January 25, 2019 12:34 am

Take “aristocrats” as “polititians” and there you are.

Jaap Titulaer
Reply to  Non Nomen
January 25, 2019 12:39 am

“Let them drive Tesla”

Non Nomen
Reply to  Jaap Titulaer
January 25, 2019 12:47 am

+1000

jtom
Reply to  Non Nomen
January 25, 2019 5:08 pm

Now there’s an idea for Josh.
Aide to Macron: “Because of your CO2 taxes, the peasants can no longer afford petrol.”
Macron: “Let them drive Teslas.”

Adam Gallon
January 25, 2019 12:44 am

The Gilet Jaune movement, has long passed being a protest against a Carbon Tax. Macron backed down on that. The “Usual Suspects” on the Left & Right, have moved in.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Adam Gallon
January 25, 2019 12:57 am

Some of them are actually true Marxists, but some are Marxists of the Groucho faction:

griff
January 25, 2019 12:51 am

‘les flics’ have always had a reputation for use of severe (excessive) force.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  griff
January 25, 2019 1:32 am

CRS mostly.

Jones
January 25, 2019 1:01 am

Oh my word how I would love to be the future historians who have access to the (post-cull) archives of the currently “most-secret” government commissioned social survey data.

The really accurate and unbiased stuff they daren’t publicise.

How interesting the next few years are going to be.

Rod Evans
January 25, 2019 2:15 am

I recently went to our local hardware store which in England it is called, “Screw Fix”… (honest, I know you Americans won’t believe me) to buy a high vis yellow vest.
The check out man said, “what do you want that for”? I told him, “my wife liked men in uniforms”.
“Why don’t you buy a uniform then?” he asked, smiling yet puzzled with British banter.
“Well” said I, “It only costs £8 for a yellow high vis, and once I put that on, I guarantee many more uniforms will come round, than my wife could ever desire”…

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rod Evans
January 25, 2019 4:37 am

That was funny, Rod!

Sounds like you were just trying to get the most bang for your buck. 🙂

kramer
January 25, 2019 3:10 am

I don’t recall any left-wing protesters or any people causing civil disturbences getting roughed up lately. Wonder if that’s because the people in charge don’t mind if they protest but don’t want any protests of their goals?

More power to the yellow vests and screw the rich and powerful leftists who want to change this world into one that they want.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
January 25, 2019 3:41 am

The excessive force being used is hardly new as several people have pointed out, but the worry is that the strategy behind it is more reminiscent of the notorious use of Zomo, the extreme para-military police deployed by the former communist rulers of Poland to smash any political dissent.
Clearly Emperor Penguin is labouring under the delusion that that sort of thing turns out well in the long run for the authorities-history suggests otherwise.
Another worry is what exactly are messrs Microbe, Merkel and Brussels planning to use their E.U. army for? Since NATO has shown itself perfectly capable for the last 50 years of defending democracy (and can do so with proper support for the expanded Europe), it seems an not unreasonable question whether the E.U. army is actually intended to suppress the increasing political unrest of the deplorable masses, a pan EUZOMO.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
January 25, 2019 4:05 am

EU armed forces are going to be the most inefficient in the world, worse than Burundi. They’ll be brought to a immediate standstill because of the rules and regulations that will take decades to be set by Brussels. If the member states of NATO get their things together and finally start paying their membership fees, as Germany should, there is no reason whatsoever to set up another “defence”-organisation. Weapons under the command of a joint Brussels supreme command? Megalomania.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Non Nomen
January 25, 2019 5:03 am

EU forces binned the 7.62mm round in weapons in favour of the US M16 5.6mm round. Why do “terrorists” still use the AK47/74? They still use the 7.62 round, which really works.

Robert of Texas
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 25, 2019 1:55 pm

Ugh. I hear this so many times by people who were told by other people, who knew a friend…etc.

The AK-47 type assault rifle firing the 7.62x39mm is cheap, rugged, and relatively effective in the hands of an untrained soldier. It makes a good soldiers weapon, but it isn’t perfect. Its better at longer range. Newer models are becoming more and more accurate, and less and less rugged.

The M4/M16/other-rifles firing the 5.52x45mm are more accurate, lighter, and you can carry more ammunition. It makes a good soldiers weapon, but it isn’t perfect. It’s better at shorter and medium range.

Like all weapons systems, it’s a trade-off. Depending on what you value, and the job at hand, you use the appropriate set of tools. In this case, military planners decided that a lighter system, more ammunition, and better accuracy at most ranges were preferable to a heavier bullet and more recoil. (NOT saying I agree, I am just saying I understand) With the advent of ballistic armor, the entire equation is changing so look out for a higher energy, larger bullet system to be adopted soon.

And I see no value of a EU army when the contributing countries won’t even pay for their share of the NATO alliance. Fail to spend enough in one, you won’t be paying enough for the other (or especially both). Build an EU army and the U.S. can go home and reduce a considerable amount of spending, so good for the U.S. Within 30 years some EU country will start a war and then what does EU do? Start WWIII? Try to remember that politics is always changing, so the Germany you see before now is not going to be the Germany you see in 30 years (or France, or Italy, etc.). People forget their history and the lessons it teaches, and then they repeat it. Instead of persecuting Jews, an EU country might persecute Muslims or in the way things are headed white Christians. So maybe trying to get along in a broad coalition like NATO is the preferred course.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
January 25, 2019 4:47 am

“what exactly are messrs Microbe, Merkel and Brussels planning to use their E.U. army for? Since NATO has shown itself perfectly capable for the last 50 years of defending democracy”

That’s a good question.

And NATO is even more capable of defending democracy now that Trump has convinced the other NATO members to increase their monetary contributions to the mutual defense. Combining that with Trump raising the U.S. military budget to $715 billion (and going higher next year), and NATO’s capabilities have been significantly enhanced.

pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 4:20 am

Why are 85% of all the comments on this thread complete BS?
Is it because hardly a single person is actually in France now, or has hardly been there?

Does the fact I don’t live in the USA and hardly ever been there, entitle me to right utter rubbish about the USA?

ghalfrunt
Reply to  pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 4:43 am

Exactly!! D.Trump does not even understand the UK.

I suppose people here who are supporting the yellow vest rioters realise that they are requesting leftwing policies. I suppose that the supporters realise that fuel price tax was removed?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 4:59 am

I have lived in France, albeit a while ago. I don’t see their attitude (Usually rude and self-important) or culture has changed in that time.

Hugs
Reply to  pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 9:03 am

Well, do your best to inform us.

Ben Vorlich
January 25, 2019 4:47 am

On the French TV News this morning there were two items relevant to this. First the police/gendarmes are being issued with body cameras. Second more interesting, perhaps, there is a Red Scarf demonstration on Sunday. This is a “one off” enough’s enough demonstration. Living in rural France and talking to our older French neighbours they are horrified at the damage an element of of the Gilers Jaune are doing physically to national monuments and city centres and financially to businesses. There is also a feeling that the extreme left and extreme right getting to together (for want of a better category for the supporters of Melanchon and Le Pen) connot last and the end result won’t be good for anyone in France apart from the very rich.

Currently Macron is touring France meeting several hundred maires at a time in what is called le grand débat. Yesterday he met with leaders of Gilets Jaune.

Interesting times indeed.

pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 5:09 am

One of a pile or errors here……..

“On the French TV News this morning there were two items relevant to this.
First the police/gendarmes are being issued with body cameras.”

1/ The French TV news is about as objective as the BBC.
The Gendarmes are gonna film themselves doing something bad?
What you expect?
Pigs can fly?

“the end result won’t be good for anyone in France apart from the very rich.”

2/ Those that have most to lose are shutting the f…k up!
What you expect?

“Currently Macron is touring France meeting several hundred maires at a time in what is called le grand débat.”

3/ The grand MASS debate more like!
It consists of a v..gina monologue, with yet another insult last night which the grand mass media didn’t even comment… “mes enfants” WTF!

“Yesterday he met with leaders of Gilets Jaune.”
4/ Do he did not, because he turned up so called “unanounced”, which another load of bollox.. there just happened to be 2 or 3 pretty inarticulate “gilets idiots” in the salle who could practically not string 2 coherent sentences together.

“Interesting times”.
5/ uh??
The whole idiotic nonsense taking place with Macretin is to buy time, then turn another screw of repression on. Haven’t you been watching the latest stuff going on in the Assemblee or is it wilful ignorance?
The whole point, it’s bluff and bollox shoved down people’s throats by the multi-millionaire owned mass media.
Democracy? you gotta be kidding!

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 9:31 am

Don’t shoot the messenger

I made no comments on the contents of the news merely reported the items. Which may have passed those in the USA and UK by as they seem to have problems of their own at the moment.

Robert of Texas
Reply to  pigs_in_space
January 25, 2019 2:22 pm

OK, so given your obvious passion, let me see if I can understand and relate to your statements:

“1/ The French TV news is about as objective as the BBC.”

So you don’t trust your news media to be fair and/or balanced. (or truthful). Same as most media outlets in the U.S. – they don’t actually provide news anymore, they apostolize. /Can_Relate

“2/ Those that have most to lose are shutting the **** up!”

No idea what you are conveying here. In the U.S. the vast majority of people are quiet no matter what the issue is – often called the silent majority. The people demonstrating tend to be younger, more liberal progressive, driven by identity politics, and filled with a sense of self-entitlement.

“3/ The grand MASS debate more like!”

No idea what this means.

“4/ Do he did not, because he turned up so called “unanounced”, which another load of bollox…who could practically not string 2 coherent sentences together.”

I guess you are unhappy with how a group was portrayed or represented by the Media? This is a constant issue in the U.S. – the media has no ethics anymore, they report to spin a story, not to tell the truth. /can_relate

5/ “The whole idiotic nonsense taking place with Macretin is to buy time, then turn another screw of repression on…shoved down people’s throats by the multi-millionaire owned mass media.
Democracy? you gotta be kidding!”

Buy time – yup, it’s an obvious ploy to defuse the situation.

Democracy – This is the problem with democracy all over the Western World. Many, possibly most voters do not take the time to actually understand what they are voting for, but instead react with emotion – as in “these just feels right…”. These emotional voters are easily led by social and main news media. This allows a relatively few “elites” to control huge voting blocks to enact rules that enrich the elite even at the cost of destroying a nation.

As I understand the EU, its one step worse, because an un-ellected group of regulators have so much power over the individual countries, so while the countries still possess a sense of identity, they have little control over many things that concern them.

In the U.S. we lived 8 years under President Obama, who passed more regulations then anyone I remember. He (and his congress) increased the reach of the government more than I had witnessed in 5 presidents before him. Most people were afraid to talk about it because of identity politics. At least you do not have half of France calling you racists…(or maybe you do?)

Bruce Cobb
January 25, 2019 7:34 am

See? Climate change causes social unrest. Told ya.
/sarc

January 25, 2019 9:31 am

The state wants people to buy a nonexistent product. And wants to tax people into submission. The hope is that the market will somehow straighten out the impossible. And the people with this hope do not believe in the market.

What could go wrong?

Vince Truchan
January 25, 2019 9:37 am

D. Anderson
January 25, 2019 10:24 am

If only the French Government was as tough on the invaders as they are on their own people.

ResourceGuy
January 25, 2019 10:41 am

At this rate we will need to send care packages to France and medical missions to help the oppressed.

ResourceGuy
January 25, 2019 10:43 am

Better bring in the French farmers with their tractors in the protests. Then we could get a direct comparison to past protests.

Jack
January 25, 2019 2:05 pm

France currently produces $ 8500 goods per ton of carbon dioxide released in the atmosphere.
The european countries are producing $ 3500 on average, while China $ 1400 only.
This country is the least carbon dioxide emitting country among the developed ones, only 0,8 per cent of the planet’s emissions, mainly due to its electric power 90 % made by nuclear plants.
It is utterly incomprehensible that the french govt cannot be satisfied by this remarkable achievement and is still striving to improve it in charging unbearable taxes and strains on the people, when there are so many much more urgent problems to fix in this country: Unemployment, mass immigration, skyrocketing poverty, crime, sovereign debt, etc…

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Jack
January 25, 2019 7:17 pm

But you can’t understand.

When you are Mr Jupiter, you have the right to intervene in every country not only of the EU – punish the British for leaving, tell everyone how wonderful Europe is, and give school teacher courses to the USA.

You don’t get it.
Jupiter is here to save the world!

The British have some nursery rhyme for kids like this, something to do with Humpty Dumpty and fall.

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