Nancy Pelosi Announces Plans For A House ‘Climate Crisis’ Committee After Flying Thousands Of Miles To A Hawaiian Resort

 

From The Daily Caller

4:57 PM 12/28/2018 | Energy

  • Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor
  • California Democratic Rep. Nancy Pelosi announced the creation of a House “climate crisis” committee.
  • Already far-left Democrats are expressing their discontent with Pelosi’s plan.
  • Pelosi announced the “climate crisis” committee after flying thousands of miles to Hawaii.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi announced Friday that Democrats would create a Select Committee on the Climate Crisis in 2019, which will be headed by Florida Democratic Rep. Kathy Castor.

However, Pelosi’s announcement isn’t placating progressives in her party, such as New York Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who support “Green New Deal” legislation.

“This committee, if it turns out that the rumors about it are true, sound about as useful as a screen door on a submarine,” Ocasio-Cortez spokesman Corbin Trent, told The Hill.

“As it’s portrayed it’s going to be completely incapable of solving the greatest threat to human kind,” Trent said.

Pelosi, who’s expected to be elected House speaker in 2019, said there’s “tremendous pressure” for Democrats to make fighting global warming a central part of their agenda in the new year.

Pelosi made her announcement amid a government shutdown after she flew thousands of miles to a luxurious Hawaiian hotel where she was spotted Thursday, according to reports. (RELATED: Nancy Pelosi Vacations In Luxurious Hawaiian Resort Amid Government Shutdown)

President Trump meets with Schumer and Pelosi at the White House in Washington
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi announced Friday that Democrats would create a Select Committee on the Climate Crisis in 2019. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque.

The creation of the House Select Committee on the Climate Crisis is one way Pelosi plans on satisfying progressives without angering incoming committee chairs, like New Jersey Democratic Rep. Frank Pallone, who want to advance their own climate bills.

“It is with great enthusiasm that I appoint Congresswoman Kathy Castor as the Chair of our new Select Committee on the Climate Crisis,” Pelosi said in a statement issued Friday.

“She will bring great experience, energy and urgency to the existential threat of the climate crisis,” Pelosi said. “This committee will be critical to the entire Congress’s mission to respond to the urgency of this threat, while creating the good-paying, green jobs of the future.”

Pelosi’s climate committee isn’t expected to have subpoena power or authority to advance legislation to the House floor for a vote. If that’s the case, it would be weaker than the previous select climate committee behind the 2010 failed cap-and-trade effort.

“The American people have demanded action to combat the climate crisis, which threatens our public health, our economy, our national security and the whole of God’s creation,” Pelosi said.

President Trump meets with Schumer and Pelosi at the White House in Washington
Pelosi is expected to be elected House speaker in 2019. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque.

“Together, we must protect public health by reducing air pollution, create jobs by making America preeminent in green technologies, defend our national security by preventing climate-driven instability and uphold our sacred moral responsibility to leave a healthy, sustainable future for generations to come,” Pelosi said.

Ocasio-Cortez is leading a small, but growing, cadre of far-left Democrats who back a “Green New Deal” — a vague plan that would mandate the U.S. get 100 percent renewable electricity, universal health care and federal jobs programs.

The “Green New Deal” could end up being the largest expansion of government power in decades. Its expansive nature has some Democrats skeptical if it can even pass out of the House.

Environmental activists stormed Pelosi’s office twice in 2018, demanding a “Green New Deal.” Part of that plan is having a House panel with full committee powers, something Pelosi’s committee is unlikely to have.


“Leadership in general is about listening to the voices of the people you’re supposed to be leading and I don’t believe this process incorporated that very effectively,” Trent told The Hill.

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HotScot
December 30, 2018 4:08 am

As the cries get ever more shrill, more people turn from them, back to reality.

commieBob
Reply to  HotScot
December 30, 2018 5:00 am

That was my first thought.

… a “Green New Deal” — a vague plan that would mandate the U.S. get 100 percent renewable electricity, universal health care and federal jobs programs.

Right now there is record low unemployment. At some point, trying to artificially create new jobs distorts the labor market and harms the economy.

My second thought is that mandating renewable energy will be a huge job killer and they will need a federal jobs program because the supposed new green jobs won’t be sufficient.

My third thought is about those whose IQ is too low to hold down a job. link The province of Ontario (Canad) used to have sheltered workshops where such people could have the supervision necessary to do a useful job. The Liberals killed those because they couldn’t pay minimum wage or overtime. link

MarkG
Reply to  commieBob
December 30, 2018 10:09 am

You miss the point about Federal jobs programs. When you have a job that only exists because money is stolen from taxpayers and given to you to do something those taxpayers wouldn’t willingly pay for, you become a Democrat-for-life, because the Republicans may cancel the program.

It’s all another vote-buying scam.

It’s a funny old world when it’s illegal to give someone $10 out of your own pocket to vote for you, but perfectly legal to offer them tens of thousands of dollars a year in taxpayers’ money to vote for you.

William Astley
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 8:42 am

Tony’s summary of the history of NASA and NOAA changes to the temperature record is excellent.

David Blenkinsop
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 9:13 am

I can’t resist mentioning that Scott Adam’s NASA link in the above mentioned Twitter discussion leads directly to a NOAA page that I was complaining about in the recent WUWT discussion about “Ocean Acidification”, at https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/12/23/ocean-acidification-background-context/

The NASA link is https://t.co/C4Hwopwpf4 , and the complaint worthy NOAA link that this leads to (in the NASA article footnotes) is http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F

I’m pretty sure I managed to garble the actual NOAA page link in my postings the last time, so it might be worth mentioning, just for a correction here, EXCEPT —
— when I go to that ever so misleading (or well say, *lying*) NOAA page, “What is Ocean Acidification”, I now get this:

“The website you are trying to access is not available at this time due to a lapse in appropriation.”

As a Canadian, I suppose I shouldn’t chuckle over the removal of an-ever-so authoritative US government page, but, for me it’s a “BOO-YA” nevertheless, even if it maybe only a temporary suspension.

P.S. Just as very quick background, the objectionable thing in the NOAA page explanation was the idea that the roughly 30 percent difference in *pH related ion concentrations*, a ratio change related to each 0.1 unit “decrease” in pH — a technical “true enough” fact — therefore somehow implies a 30 percent *increase* in acidity, no matter if the ending point of the change in pH is acid, base, *pH neutral* even, etc.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  David Blenkinsop
December 30, 2018 9:30 am
David Blenkinsop
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
December 30, 2018 10:23 am

Thanks, Clyde Spencer, for the comprehensive overview of this issue!

Now, if I also read an article about lysocline chemistry or what have you, maybe I could go get a Phd, (or at least get a “D” on an exam about pH’s).

‘Bye for now.

Hugs
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 10:16 am

Heller is funny but not looking forward or extending and stupidly hides any bad results, so he’s equally unconvincing compared to the other links — which contain some moronic simplifications / and even propagandistic style.

Heller debunks hot summer weather in the US is in increase, but that’s a minor part global warming propaganda. He’s also aggressive, and repeats himself ad infinitum.

mkelly
Reply to  Hugs
December 30, 2018 12:51 pm

Well Hugs my man when are you going to make some videos and run a blog that is better than his?

You are a complainer and not not a doer.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 2:07 pm

This little exchange between WUWT’s English major drive-by commentor and Scott Adams is priceless!!
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(even the “your” is worth noting for a chuckle)

R Shearer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
December 30, 2018 3:40 pm

🙂

Jeff Labute
Reply to  HotScot
December 30, 2018 10:33 am

My first thought was ‘she looks like Hillary’.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Jeff Labute
December 31, 2018 4:11 am

and has all the charm too
that woman should be booted out not given speakers role
hell, shes not very succinct at the best of times
jobs for life pollies need to be removed
globally theyre the bane of humanity

J Mac
Reply to  HotScot
December 30, 2018 6:11 pm

HotScot,
One can hope that the infighting between the far left socialist democrats, the special interest socialist democrats, and the aging power broker socialist democrats will tear their party apart.

Pelosi offers a cats paw ‘Climate Crisis Crazies Committee’ to the rabid upstarts and gets backhanded smartly! Let the games begin….. er, continue!

December 30, 2018 4:15 am

What climate crisis ? there is nothing wrong with the climate you funnie bunnies,except the money it generates into Al Gores pocket mm.

Jean Meeus
Reply to  stefan pedersen
December 30, 2018 4:25 am

Well said!

Kenji
Reply to  stefan pedersen
December 30, 2018 5:09 am

I am struck by just how wealthy and secure we’ve become as a nation, that we have time (and $$) to “fight” an imaginary “existential” climate “crisis”. We have solved hunger. We’ve solved poverty. We’ve solved disease. Weve solved homelessness.. We’ve solved every affliction known to mankind such that we have $B’s to spend on a Man-ufactured “crisis”.

What do we need? A good old fashioned famine or plague to reset our politicians priorities? Since Nancy Pelosi keeps invoking God and morality, I suggest she consider the sin of utterly wasting resources on a politically-manufactured LIE.

E J Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Kenji
December 30, 2018 6:23 am

The sin of arrogance ought to be enough. But none so blind as those who don’t want to see.

stonehenge
Reply to  Kenji
December 30, 2018 6:30 am

Shouldn’t that be a Mann-ufactured “crisis”?

R Shearer
Reply to  Kenji
December 30, 2018 7:02 am

It’s said that over 70,000 people in the U.S. died from opiates in the U.S. this year.

Richard
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 8:21 am

So that many fewer generators of the vilest pollution known, exhaled CO2. And we expect the virtuous, entitled Greenies to care?

Reply to  stefan pedersen
December 30, 2018 7:28 am

The “Green New Deal” is a Neomarxist Trojan Horse, written to introduce Marxist legislation disguised as moves to fight climate change. I would take these Democratic Socialists very seriously, and remember that US universities are now controlled by hard core leftists, many of them self declared socialists/communists.

I have been reading their social media and studying the way they link up, and as far as I can tell they are well organized, run tons of linked accounts in platforms such as Twitter and Instagram. I was able to trace their links to German communists who operate in the US as Rosalux Stiftung. And that group is hard core communist, they have ties to the old East Germany party machine, and a couple of their agents working in the US are probably ex Stasi.

My suggestion is that you take this threat seriously, and understand that climate change is their ax. So whatever you do in a climate change debate has to be solid and well measured. I wouldn’t joke it’s a Chinese conspiracy or say the climate always changes, instead I would study what people like Judith Curry and Pielke Junior write about the issue and use that to debate.

Reply to  Fernando Leanme
December 30, 2018 8:12 am

What many scientists like Curry and Pielke often talk about is that the second order effects aren’t as bad as they are being portrayed. The first order issue that needs to be addressed and makes all the second order effects moot is the magnitude of the ECS which the IPCC could not be more wrong about if they tried, but in fact, they have tried very hard to obfuscate this fundamental error driving Climate Derangement Syndrome.

The entire range of the IPCC’s presumed sensitivity factor of 0.8C +/- 0.4C per W/m^2 of forcing is out of range of what the laws of physics can support. The actual sensitivity is between about 0.2 and 0.3C per W/m^2 with a theoretical upper limit of 0.35C per W/m^2 which is less than the IPCC’s presumed lower limit.

donb
Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 30, 2018 9:20 am

The typical US citizen has no interest in what J. Curry says and no understanding of the ECS.
They will respond to two messages; telling them that bad things that happen to them are caused by climate change; and showing them the enormous cost in trying to convert to wind & solar energy, e.g., Germany and growing. Alarmists increasingly use the former. Skeptics should use the latter.

Alasdair
Reply to  co2isnotevil
December 30, 2018 9:37 am

Yes co2isnotevil:
At the risk of boring my fellow commentators I repeat: This difference in the Sensitivity factor may be explained easily by the properties of water which is ubiquitous, not only in the oceans and atmosphere but also in plants and animals. The perceived 4% in the atmosphere being merely part of the whole.
At phase change which in practice is a continuing process, the absorbed insolation and upwelling radiation energy is transposed into Latent Heat at CONSTANT temperature. Rather like compression of a very soft spring where the force is converted into strain energy in the spring, rather than being transmitted through the spring. (not a very accurate analogy; but should suffice)
This means that the coefficient in the Planck equation relating energy flux to temperature is equal to zero; leading to a marked reduction in the global Sensitivity which is based on the Planck coefficient.
I submit that this factor has NOT been included in most of the models which purport to arrive at the Climate Sensitivity factor. Hence the divergence.

Other factors such as the resultant buoyancy seem to have been similarly been ignored; but that is a different story.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  stefan pedersen
December 30, 2018 7:57 am

H.L. Mencken, who was fortunate to have died before the invention of the “climate crisis”. explained it completely when he wrote: “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed — and hence clamorous to be led to safety — by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 30, 2018 9:45 am

Yup! Best one-line description of global warming/climate change/whatever they call it next week ever penned.

ferd berple
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 30, 2018 1:08 pm

Project Fear III in the UK, to try and force Parliament to access the May-EU abortion.

December 30, 2018 4:19 am

What climate crises,there is nothing wrong with the climate,other than the money the dogma generates into Al Gores pockets mm.

Peta of Newark
December 30, 2018 4:21 am

This arrived in my email this morning: (its about how to have a Miraculous Life)

Page 5
The 4 Biggest Mistakes That Keep You From Living A Miraculous Life
One glorious morning just a few short years ago, we woke up in a beautiful resort in Costa Rica.
Our day overflowed with miracles. We were there at a meeting of the Transformational Leadership Council, a group of 125 of the top transformational leaders in the world founded by Jack Canfield— a group that we’re honored to be a part of.
As we ate our breakfast sitting on the veranda overlooking the crystal blue ocean, attended our meetings filled with profound wisdom, joyous laughter, and deep connection with our fellow Leadership Council members, and ended the day with a glorious sunset dinner cruise, we looked at each other and said, “It doesn’t get much better than this.”
And we go to these meetings two times every year at magical and exotic locations around the world…

Yes, our lives are miraculous—but they weren’t always this way.
Not by a long shot.
In fact, if you had told us that we would be together in the most beautiful places in the world surrounded by people who are loving and open-hearted and actual living legends, and having our wildest dreams come true, we would have said you were crazy.
And to us, the most exciting part of our lives is not just strolling on a white sand beach, it’s that we get to share our secrets with you.

Sounds good huh?
I think we know: Become a Climate Scientist

If at all curious, look for ‘Shimoff Morter Garr living-a-miraculous-life’

The real magic & miracles happen when you quit sugar & booze and get some aerobic exercise**
but you knew that

** They seem to create magical miracles (Climate Science for example) but, they are fake.

Flight Level
December 30, 2018 4:43 am

“making America preeminent in green technologies”

No Lady, it ain’t gonna happen because unless industrialized, any technology is just an archived project. And to this day, history has not reported a viable enforced by state decision taxpayer funded financial model.

So Mrs. Pelosi, at the upcoming New-Year junket, please ask the band to play “No we’re not the jet set”. And pay attention to the lyrics.

Ian W
Reply to  Flight Level
December 30, 2018 8:40 am

Technology is a word that describes something that doesn’t work yet.

Douglas Adams

Hysteria
December 30, 2018 5:05 am

Macron attempted to radically change things in France a few weeks ago…look how thatbwent down with the folks in France.

Granted the French love their street protests, but methinks that level of pushback is only going to increase throughout the western democracies.

Flight Level
Reply to  Hysteria
December 30, 2018 5:21 am

Aren’t a fool and his money quickly parted? As long as there are fools and money.

It takes one tiny spark to light a huge fire. When the right conditions are met that is.

Mark
Reply to  Flight Level
December 30, 2018 7:21 am

The problem is that these fools are parting ME from MY money, not their money.

Flight Level
Reply to  Mark
December 30, 2018 8:39 am

Right Mark, it’s a social robbery because those exploiting it are not the fools. Instead:
a) Fools entrusted and gave office to robbers
b) Other fools just watch and lament

mojomojo
Reply to  Hysteria
December 30, 2018 11:44 am

I agree about the French protests.If the green deal succeeds , energy prices will have to go through the ceiling.If Germany’s prices today are are indication,and germany has only a small percentage of energy from renewables.
I believe Clinton lost the election when she said she would kill coal jobs.She was pushed to it by Sanders and Mckibbin.
The Putin alienated Bernie supporters in social media dividing the Dems.
I was hoping Trump would actually convey the truth about the global warming scam.But Trump is such a liar,no one believes anything he says anyway.
Trump is so inarticulate he couldn’t begin to make a convincing arguest even if he actually understood the science.

Bruce Cobb
December 30, 2018 5:12 am

The climate is doing just fine, not that we could do anything about it anyway if it weren’t. If the climate were to start cooling significantly, say to LIA conditions, then the climate wouldn’t be fine. But we would cope, and adapt, not run around shouting that the sky is falling, and that we must sacrifice our economies and our way of lives to appease Gaia.
No, what is in crisis is the CAGW ideology. The Climate Orcs are beating their drums, ready to make one final, desperate assault.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 30, 2018 9:53 am

The irony being that, if the Eco-Nazis get their way, we would lack the capability and resources to adapt to a recurrence of Little Ice Age climate, and billions will probably die of starvation. Of course, that is the goal they have, but will never admit to, as long as it’s, you know, those “other” people whose lives must end to achieve the “depopulation” they insist is necessary.

John Bell
December 30, 2018 5:29 am

Typical liberal hypocrites, I know a few of them and have one visiting me today, they just do not get it.

icisil
December 30, 2018 5:37 am

Throwing the impertinent upstarts a bone so they’ll shut up.

Ed Reid
Reply to  icisil
December 30, 2018 6:39 am

They’d soon return, demanding two bones.

icisil
Reply to  Ed Reid
December 30, 2018 6:52 am

As long as there’s no meat on the bone, who cares? The power elite in the Dem party sure don’t.

climanrecon
December 30, 2018 5:38 am

Every campaign needs a progress chart, as in this amount of your money has been spent so far, and this is the net benefit to you so far. Republicans should push for this, and create their own version when it fails to happen –> popcorn time.

Rhys Read
December 30, 2018 5:48 am

How do they get away with calling this an existential crisis? What person is saying we are not going to live if we are a half degree warmer?

rah
December 30, 2018 5:49 am

Personally I hope the democrats and Pelosi push for “green” like crazy. Explain to the people what 5 billion for a wall is too expensive but 5 billion for green initiatives is not?

mojomojo
Reply to  rah
December 30, 2018 11:49 am

More like a hundred trillion over the next 50 years

Nik
December 30, 2018 5:51 am

“‘This committee, if it turns out that the rumors about it are true, sound about as useful as a screen door on a submarine,” Ocasio-Cortez spokesman Corbin Trent, told The Hill.'”

Only because it doesn’t go far enough.

The true crisis will be in 5-10 years to pay for dismantling 10Ks of wind turbines and PV farms, properly recovering their nasty constituents, and restoring the land/environment.

Schitzree
Reply to  Nik
December 30, 2018 8:16 am

Out of curiosity, how many people expected OCD to say battleship instead of submarine?

~¿~

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Schitzree
December 30, 2018 9:20 am

“a screen door on a submarine,” Ocasio-Cortez spokesman Corbin Trent

Not sure of your point?

SR

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Steve Reddish
December 30, 2018 9:42 am

For looking who’s knocking at the submarins door from outside. 😀

Bruce Cobb
December 30, 2018 5:59 am

After flying thousands of miles to Hawaii, Nancy’s broomstick sure must be tired.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
December 30, 2018 9:05 am

No carbon dioxide emissions – methane and hot air only…..

Tasfay Martinov
December 30, 2018 6:06 am

That grotesque affectatious rictus identifies the speaker as an Anglo Saxon politician or celebrity.

We europeans really need to take a lesson from other cultures and mindsets such as Asian or Russian in how to relax the face and communicate naturally without affectation.

A much more ecological alternative to habitually contorting the face to resemble a camel’s scr0tum, then needing to artificially iron out the face with expensive plastic surgery operations and forehead injections of nerve toxin.

Relax your face, Nancy.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Tasfay Martinov
December 30, 2018 8:48 am

Botox prevents such relaxation. As does repeated cosmetic surgery.

MarkG
Reply to  RACookPE1978
December 30, 2018 10:15 am

As does a soul full of pure evil.

mike macray
Reply to  RACookPE1978
December 31, 2018 5:31 am

RACookPE1978
…”Botox prevents such relaxation. As does repeated cosmetic surgery.”

Quote: “Botulinus toxin, the most potent neurotoxin yet discovered. A thousand molecules will kill a mouse; there’s enough in a spoonful to kill everyone on the planet……provided no one’s greedy!” F.G. Daldy, Chemistry teacher circa 1958.
Was he kidding??
Cheers
Mike

Garland Lowe
December 30, 2018 6:09 am

As soon as we get some cooling the Climate Change Theologians will do a 180. The CO2 will be the root cause of global cooling. They will receive grants from the taxpayers to devise ways to save the planet from the catastrophic cooling. There will only be a 10-12 year time frame to set up a new world order to save us from our selves. Polar bears will be starving because their food moves too far south, coral reefs die because the oceans are too cold, etc. etc. Climate “scientist” can have their cake and eat it too.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Garland Lowe
December 30, 2018 6:24 am

I remember the Global Cooling Scare of the 1970’s, and what the activists were demanding then. As the deindustrialization they wanted then to prevent cooling was the same as they demand now to prevent warming, it is the destruction of industrial society they want, regardless of the effect.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 30, 2018 9:58 am

As I like to put it,

“When the climate catastrophe du jour about faces 180 degrees and YET the supposed cause (human fossil fuel burning) and the supposed solution (reductions/elimination/”CONTROL” of human fossil fuel burning) remain the same, you know you’re being conned.”

Garland Lowe
Reply to  AGW is not Science
December 30, 2018 10:31 am

I’m a small govt guy, but these folks should have some liability for the damage they’re doing to the economies of the world, and for the brain washing of my grand kids. Energy poverty is hurting real people caused by regulations being shoved down the throat of the citizens of the world. These “Climate Scientists” walk away with pockets full of money. They should be in jail.

Sean
December 30, 2018 6:15 am

Just read an article in the LA Times on the Camp Fire that wiped out Paradise, CA. It mostly talked about inadequate evacuation routes coupled with planning for the wrong type of fire but it also touched on the inadequacy of fire resistance of structures, lots of highly flammable grasses and a certain type of pine that drop lots of embers down wind, the source of the fire and the propensity to have 100 mph winds blow down the canyons. Seems that if you have a severe fire problem in places like this they should start with the ignition sources (harden the electrical grid), improve the evacuation routes, remove the most dangerous flammable fuels and then, if you rebuild, strengthen the fire resistance of structural building codes. Fighting climate change seems an extraordinarily ineffective strategy. It took 3 major fires, Camp, Tubbs and one other in San Diego before the legislature acted on fuel clearing In late November. And will CARB actually allow the changes to be made as they’ve been a major impediment to forest management practices in the past. Gestures on climate has contributed to the change of state of CA wild fires. Speaker Pelosi should focus on changes that can actually be implemented in her jurisdiction.

icisil
Reply to  Sean
December 30, 2018 6:50 am

Paradise is (was) covered with dry pine needles. Highly flammable. I think that accounted for most of the airborne embers that set houses on fire (that in turn set proximate houses on fire through radiant heat), Trees appear to have not been affected that much; they are too green (wet) compared to the rich load of dry, flammable material.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  icisil
December 30, 2018 10:12 am

icisil,
Have a look at a pine tree “candling” in a forest fire.
comment image

They are called “evergreens” but the needles of age 3 to 4 years quit, turn brown, and dry. The new needles, back to age 2 or even 3, are green and hide the interior dry ones. Further, the plants produce vapors, more when heated, that will ignite.
Big fires produce strong winds. A burning piece of a tree, or a pine cone can travel a long distance in such winds, land it a heated tree, and the whole thing will “flash” as shown in the photo.
We have numerous Ponderosa Pines. Woodland fire researchers say to trim the lower branches at least up 5 m., and hope burning embers miss the tree, and land on the ground. The ground does have a thin layer of needles, nothing else that will burn.

icisil
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
December 30, 2018 11:46 am

Didn’t see a lot of candling in the videos/pictures I saw of Paradise. Aftermath showed an amazing number of trees seemingly left untouched. Pine trees even. I can only conclude that they didn’t have much to do with the inferno. Could be wrong, though.

icisil
Reply to  icisil
December 30, 2018 11:58 am

btw, dead pine needles are not going to stay in a tree when the wind is blowing 50+ mph.

Roger Knights
Reply to  icisil
December 30, 2018 9:18 pm

“airborne embers that set houses on fire (that in turn set proximate houses on fire through radiant heat)”

How about requiring metal roofs and siding? Or asbestos-shingle siding (sarc)?

pochas94
December 30, 2018 6:17 am

Like all Democrats, she doesn’t know enough to care about the future of this country. She just loves a free ride.

E J Zuiderwijk
December 30, 2018 6:32 am

Just a privileged Caucasian woman with lots of other people’s money to spend.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
December 30, 2018 7:59 am

Nancy? She is spending her husband’s money, which is under California community property rule, hers. So, she is spending her own money to vacation in the Aloha State.

Richard
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 30, 2018 9:02 am

It’s much more sensible to spend it prior to date of death. The accumulated wealth on this side of that watershed event doesn’t carry that much value to that side. Just saying.

Curious George
Reply to  E J Zuiderwijk
December 30, 2018 3:56 pm

The real money goes in the global warming – excuse me, climate change – scare. And it will do a lot of good to her friends and extended family. This is the only goal.

John
December 30, 2018 6:32 am

Ultimately, they will decide just to get rid of humans after all the schemes don’t work. Nice to know I’ve been “recycling” plastic for 20 years just to have it landfilled in China and now Vietnam and Malayasia or worse dumped into the middle of the pacific ocean. Maybe they should focus on that one first.

JasonH
December 30, 2018 6:33 am

Have fun getting Trump to sign it, lol.

Wayne Wilson
December 30, 2018 6:45 am

Wait until she demands her personal jet to fly about. I believe the last time she didn’t want the 8 or 10 seater.Too small for her entourage. But she’s special.

JohnWho
December 30, 2018 6:46 am

“We have to fix the climate so we can see what causes it to change.”

John the Econ
December 30, 2018 6:47 am

“The American people have demanded action to combat the climate crisis, which threatens our public health, our economy, our national security and the whole of God’s creation,” Pelosi said.

Really? The “climate crisis” has never polled beyond a blip among “the people”, and it’s ironic that the only time these days that you’ll see a Progressive invoke God is when one is attempting to justify fascism.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John the Econ
December 30, 2018 8:37 am

“Really? The “climate crisis” has never polled beyond a blip among “the people””

Pelosi thinks she speaks for all the people of the U.S., with the exception of the small group of fanatics who support Trump.

It’s just another delusion afflicting those on the radical Left. They live in an alternate universe where everyone is a socialist like they are, with a very few dismissible exceptions..

MarkG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 30, 2018 10:29 am

“Pelosi thinks she speaks for all the people of the U.S., with the exception of the small group of fanatics who support Trump.”

No, she’s just lying, as usual. She thinks she still controls The Narrative, and anything she says will be reported by the media as The Truth and people will believe it.

Or, perhaps, she knows she has no other choice than to double down on the stupid, so why not? They’ve lost their moderate supporters to the Republicans, so all they can do is keep going further left.

Roger Knights
Reply to  John the Econ
December 30, 2018 9:13 pm

“The American people have demanded action to combat the climate crisis, which threatens our public health, our economy, our national security and the whole of God’s creation,” Pelosi said.

So go ahead and authorize a crash new-nuclear power program—nobody will stop you. Except the greens.

JCalvertN(UK)
December 30, 2018 6:59 am

Some politicians desperately want to feel important. Getting involved in wars and grand-standing about “saving the planet” makes them feel world-scale important – in a way that local-scale tasks like renewing infrastructure and tackling corruption don’t.

Jimmy
December 30, 2018 7:07 am

“As it’s portrayed it’s going to be completely incapable of solving the greatest threat to human kind,”

Actually, the greatest threat to human kind is far left lunatics who want to destroy capitalism.

Sara
December 30, 2018 7:16 am

You guys are all missing the point.

Read this, and then read it again:
Already far-left Democrats are expressing their discontent with Pelosi’s plan.

Cracks in the shell! They will spend so much time squabbling over this and other plans like it, and/or anything the not-so-far-Left Democrats cook up, that nothing will get done.

May they spend so much time on internal squabbles that nothing gets done. And may it be widely publicized!!! I wondered what it would take. Now I know. Thank you, thank you, thank you, Obi wan Kenobi and the Holy Cow.

I could not have asked for a better 12th Day of Christmas present!

Thanks for the heads up on the beginning of this internecine squabbling marathon. I am stocked on popcorn and cookies.

Let the games begin!!!!!

Reg Nelson
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2018 7:25 am

A recent poll asked registered Democrats who they would like to be the presidential candidate in 2020. It included Biden, Clinton, Sanders, etc.

Topping the poll was “Someone New”.

The Democratic Party is falling apart.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2018 8:53 am

As far as this “Climate Crisis committee” goes, Pelosi may be using it as a bargaining chip to gain the votes for her Speakership. She agrees to give the committee the authority the radicals want, and in return they vote for her for Speaker.

It looks like the Democrats are going to push the climate change crisis meme and this is our chance to make them prove their case in public. We should require they show us evidence that CO2 has added net heat to the Earth’s atmosphere, and that this net heat has caused the weather to do things it otherwise would not do.

The can’t provide this evidence. We all know it, and they know it, too. What they will do is use arguments from authority (IPCC), and skeptics need to debunk these arguments. The CAGW arguments have been debunked numerous times in the past, but we need to go another round, and since the Demcrats are going to make a public issue of this now, the debunking will also be seen by the public. So sharpen up your arguments. You will have a chance to use them in the future.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 30, 2018 9:23 pm

“What they will do is use arguments from authority (IPCC), and skeptics need to debunk these arguments.”

And debunk IGPOCC itself—Donna Laframboise’s book, The Juvenile Delinquent … should be employed to help do this.

markl
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2018 10:11 am

I think and hope you are right! The “Socialist” front being embraced by the Democrats may seem large and well organized but that’s only because they have a large presence in the media. Big cities will support them up until they are asked to change their lifestyle and then reality will set in. Imagine telling a snowflake that they will have to now use public transportation, give up their private home, reduce spending on non essentials like cars/clothes/electronic toys, and their college education will be as meaningful as the piece of paper in a fortune cookie when it comes to pay and getting ahead.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Sara
December 30, 2018 2:47 pm

If Nancy spends the remainder of her political career trying to impeach Trump, trying to destroy our energy infrastructure to stop the climate from changing (improving), and trying to impose socialism I foresee great things for the Republicans in general and Trump in particular.

SR

damp
December 30, 2018 7:44 am

Shouldn’t Hawaii be under water by now?

damp
December 30, 2018 7:47 am

“Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant.” – James Madison

fretslider
December 30, 2018 7:49 am

the existential threat of the climate crisis

Phew, for minute I thought it was transphobia, or cultural misappropriation or one of the myriad non-issues championed by the (il)liberal, (in)tolerant (un)inclusive left. You know, the people who claim to know what’s best for you plebs.

R Shearer
Reply to  fretslider
December 30, 2018 8:15 am

Clearly, 97% of trans people deserve respect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG2chaabFmg

fretslider
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 8:27 am

So glad I’m one of the (alleged) 3%.

R Shearer
Reply to  fretslider
December 30, 2018 9:10 am

I might have added that respect should not be prejudiced but can become unwarranted, as it’s a two way street.

Flight Level
Reply to  R Shearer
December 30, 2018 8:48 am

Wouldn’t mind them as flight attendants. Can be attractive and psysically able to take care of business when the situation bubbles-up.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Flight Level
December 30, 2018 10:27 am

Would you accept Ocasio-Cortez as your flight attendant – if you knew the plane was going to collide on the runway and would need rapid emergency evacuation during the subsequent fire?

Flight Level
Reply to  RACookPE1978
December 30, 2018 11:49 am

Well…
They are 2 possibilities. One, as soon as she starts to talk, all will evacuate in record time.
Two, they will stay and ask for more endoctrination. Only regret, captain is the last to leave the ship.

This minor inconvenience besides, positive outcome in both cases.

Julian
December 30, 2018 7:49 am

Dont you know that the climate crisis is for the little people.

Walter Sobchak
December 30, 2018 8:05 am

‘Pretty disappointing’: Ocasio-Cortez slams McCaskill for referring to her as ‘shiny object’ and ‘thing’
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/30/pretty-disappointing-ocasio-cortez-slams-mccaskill-for-referring-to-her-as-shiny-object-and-thing/23629836/

The answer is that OC is a very attractive young woman. If she were Alexander instead of Alexandria and he was a 40 lb overweight man with a scraggly beard and pimples, he would get no air time at all.

icisil
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
December 30, 2018 10:05 am

Let’s face reality – 90% (or more) of AOC’s appeal is that she’s eff-able.

Robert of Ottawa
December 30, 2018 8:32 am

“… it’s going to be completely incapable of solving the greatest threat to human kind,” A moment of truth and realization from the left. One wonders what would be capable of solving such an immense, imaginary problem.

Steve Oregon
December 30, 2018 8:37 am

I hope they address how volcanoes and earthquakes are climate change weather events.
Another climate change lecture from CNN.
The ‘Top Eight’ weather stories of 2018 are…
https://youtu.be/AdGv2Ksj9sY

JimG1
Reply to  Steve Oregon
December 30, 2018 9:07 am

Even Fox had a special about how 2018 has been a year of particularly nasty weather, jumping on negative fake news bandwagon. Even with pictures of the Paradise fire! Weather event? Weather assisted perhaps but not weather caused. Normal weather for that area over time. Drought and wind are cyclical there. Tornado and hurricane incidence were down in frequency.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  JimG1
December 30, 2018 11:53 am

It was reported that 2018 had the fewest deaths caused by tornadoes in recorded history with four deaths this year. The previous low-death-rate year was 1910, when 12 people were killed.

The year 1910 was one of the coldest periods in recent times.

The Hansen 1999 US surface temperature chart:

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Gary Ashe
December 30, 2018 8:42 am

“The American people have demanded action to combat the climate crisis, which threatens our public health, our economy, our national security and the whole of God’s creation,” Pelosi said.

Not a chance the quote is true, ”the American people ” would overwhelmingly would tell her to jam it up her polosi if it went to a referendum.

“The American people have demanded action to combat the climate crisis, which threatens our public health, our economy, our national security and the whole of God’s creation,” Pelosi said.

Doesnt matter where you live the far left loons are always ”the people” and its always ”our liberal democracy” when they their liberal progressive democracy.

”Everyone” ”all” ”we” etc is riddled through progressive speak .. drives me bl00dy mad.

JimG1
December 30, 2018 8:44 am

What is depressing is how many of our fellow Americans support the likes of Pelosi, Schumer and Hillary and put more of their ilk into office at the ballot box! Envy, greed and ignorance may well destroy the great American experiment rather than attack by exterior enemies or anything nature of the cosmos throws at us. It would seem that people are simply incapable of self rule. History says that all such experiments eventually collapse into some form of dictatorship. Plato theorized that “philosopher kings” we’re the best form of government i.e. Benevolent dictators, if there is such a thing.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  JimG1
December 30, 2018 1:42 pm

Even the most benevolent of dictator soon gets replaced by less and less benevolent dictators.

Our 200 plus years of representative democracy has outlived every benevolent dictator.

SR

Tom Abbott
Reply to  JimG1
December 31, 2018 1:07 pm

“It would seem that people are simply incapable of self rule.”

Maybe. But there was never an internet before, either. Maybe the internet will save our feedoms for us. We should do all we can to prevent any one entity from controlling the free exchange of information. As long as we can talk to each other freely, we have a chance.

Killer Marmot
December 30, 2018 8:52 am

Between climate policy and intersectional politics, the Democrats will be giving Republicans a major advantage that will be hard to overcome.

Stu
December 30, 2018 9:04 am

Hello. I have a question that is off topic but was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for an answer. If the second world war was the greatest movement of man and machine, why was there a cooling trend from the 40’s to the 70’s. Considering the (claimed ) sensitivity of earth’s climate to co2, should there not have been a warming during this period? Has this been discussed at WUWT before? Just genuinely curious

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Stu
December 30, 2018 10:27 am

Not just during the war, but after it as well, there was a big increase in industrial activity, and a consequent surge in CO2 emissions. The way they climatesplain the fact that temperatures actually went down during a time when CO2 emissions were going up, is they use the convenient excuse of increased aeorosols fouling the air, and blocking the sun somewhat. The problem with that argument though is that it greatly decreases the claimed warming effect of CO2. Oops.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Stu
December 30, 2018 11:50 am

Has this been discussed at WUWT before?

maybe 5 (+ or -3) years ago
likewise with Gulf War (Iraq) oil well fires
Try the search box.
However, climate is so last century as a topic.
The issue now is the transfer of wealth and the demise of existing world order,
for the new world order of Venezuela and Cuba.

It is hard to keep up.

cosmic
December 30, 2018 10:01 am

[Threats of violence are not permissible here. Mod]

Joel
December 30, 2018 10:05 am

I blame the baby generation. The baby generation got what they wanted by crying. They taught subsequent generations the same thing. That is how they tolerate the hypocrisy of flying around the world to conferences where they discuss how to get someone else to reduce their production of CO2. Previous generations were taught personal responsibility. Baby generation virtues are protesting and raising awareness. To everyone who believes in personal responsibility, baby generation virtues seem like blatant hypocrisy. To themselves though they are just doing what they have been taught from the time they were in diapers.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel
December 30, 2018 1:39 pm

“Baby generation virtues are protesting and raising awareness.”

To be more accurate that should be the “Leftist” Babies who think “virtues are protesting and raising awareness”. The Baby generation on the Right volunteered to serve in Vietnam and vote conservative.

Each generation has its share of clueless people.

Gary Ashe
December 30, 2018 10:08 am

Atomic bomb testing maybe, like japanese tests.

Gordon Dressler
December 30, 2018 10:45 am

From the article: “Pelosi, who’s expected to be elected House speaker in 2019, said there’s ‘tremendous pressure’ for Democrats to make fighting global warming a central part of their agenda in the new year.”

So, this low-information career politician would really prefer that humanity never exited Earth’s last glacial period and entered the current Holocene epoch as a result of GLOBAL WARMING?

Does she even consider that human civilization, as we know it, would not exist without global warming? . . . that’s a rhetorical question, of course, because I already know the answer.

D. Anderson
December 30, 2018 10:48 am

I have a feeling 2019 isn’t going to be all that much fun for Nanna.

whiten
December 30, 2018 10:55 am

Ok
This seems more like a “day light robbery”.
The “Old Guard” Pelosi is attempting a “day light robbery” on the “brain child” of a “new blood”
extra leftist-marxist brain dead zombie Ocasio Cortez .

Gosh, got to see the outcome of this attempt, really.
Really interesting…can’t even flirt with the idea of it being funny…quite extreme.

cheers

michael hart
December 30, 2018 11:04 am

“This committee, if it turns out that the rumors about it are true, sound about as useful as a screen door on a submarine,” Ocasio-Cortez spokesman Corbin Trent, told The Hill.

If he’d stopped there, I could have been in complete agreement with him.

Anyway, H
how do I get a job on one of these committee things, without having to commit any crimes or tell outrageous lies? It seems like a cushy number.

Wiliam Haas
December 30, 2018 11:42 am

If she really felt that the use of fossil fuels was bad then she would stop making use of all goods and services that involve the use of fossil fuels. But she is not doing that. It is her money that is helping to keep the fossil fuel companies in business.

Based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rationale to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is really zero. Mankind has yet to stop even a single weather event from happening let alone control the climate. It just a total waste of time and money trying to solve a problem that mankind does not have the power to solve especially when there are so many problems out there that need to be solved that we do have the power to solve. For example, there is our nations debt crisis. Congress needs to provide a plan for the federal government to pay off its debts.

MarkW
December 30, 2018 2:18 pm

The more the science goes against them, the shriller they get.

December 30, 2018 9:53 pm

Fighting Global Warming? In an Ice Age? The hilarity of the Democrats keeps getting more and more huge. And Ocasio-Cortez’s “Green” ideas? The only thing green about it are the dollars involved. Sequestering CO2 in our epoch of CO2 starvation is like putting a padlock on the food at a banquet held in honor of those who are starving.

One thing the Democrats seem to be consistent on is their hypocrisy and their disconnect from reality. That I was ever a Democrat remains painfully funny to me.

Geoff Sherrington
December 31, 2018 12:07 am

The stupidity just grows and grows.
What will it take to jar the thoughts of people back to normal matters?
Australia is also having a trot of the greens.

We have repeated commercials for a natural, sparkling mineral water, imported from Europe at great cost, implied to be wonderful for The Environment, ‘chemical free’ and ‘carbon neutral’.
What the hell is ‘carbon neutral’ with reference to water? What is ‘chemical free’ when the contents are all chemicals and nothing else?

We have plea after plea to be kind to the environment, to so sustainable acts, to think of younger generations, as if these were things we were not already doing.

We have a major casino, with TV commercials entreating ‘Gamble responsibly’.

It is hard to imagine enterprises so close to guilty of harm to all people green, as selling water that outgases CO2 to the air as soon as the lid is off, at a time when CO2 in the air is billed as an existential threat; and a casino, which like its constituent poker machines, simply cycles money around and around, taking a clip off the side for the management each cycle, while doing absolutely no good to any person and a lot of harm to many.

Once you see this poorly concealed guilt advertising strengthen, you know that you are witness to an enterprise it is best to avoid. Like that very noisy airliner decades ago with a huge advertising budget to sell ‘The Whispering T-jet’. When I see mention of the Pelosi ‘Climate CRISIS Committee’, when there is no crisis, I make a mental note to avoid it and its consequences as much as I can.

The current wave of belief in Global Warming and its flow-ons is nothing more than the consequence of massive advertising over many years. No advertising, no crisis. No crisis, no funds. Must buy more and more advertising and grow richer and richer. The topic, the object being sold, matters not much. It is the swaying of the minds of many that leads to large, ill-gotten gains. Geoff

Roger Knights
December 31, 2018 2:22 am

If the Democrat House Representatives and their allied demonstrators make a big fuss and pass a a green energy New Deal bill, or get close to doing so, the time will be ripe for one of the TV networks to host a series of debates. I almost don’t see how they could avoid doing so, especially if the GWPF and/or a coalition of top-name scientific contrarians challenged them to do so in a public manner—e.g., with full-page ads in the NY Times and WaPo.

The first couple of debates should be about the cost-effectiveness of renewables, all things considered.

Alternatively, Fox might host a series of late-night presentations by such skeptics and post them on YouTube, inviting warmist rebuttals, and then skeptical counter-rebuttals, etc. This will focus things and at a minimum discredit a lot of the extreme warmist talking points.

Jep
December 31, 2018 7:50 am

Once again demonstrating our political “leadership” are listening to the big-money special interests instead of the public. The public, in poll after poll, consistently ranks Climate Change at the bottom of of the list of top policy priorities.

Reed Coray
December 31, 2018 9:41 am

As a resident of California, Nancy Pelosi is both good news and bad news. Bad news: she’s from California. Good news: compared to our Senators and representative Maxine Waters (also from California), Nancy is a beacons of rationality.

Reanne
December 31, 2018 6:43 pm

“The American people have demanded action to combat the climate crisis, which threatens our public health, our economy, our national security and the whole of God’s creation,” Pelosi said.

That’s why Trump has taken care of all those concerns. If the Democrats had their way they would threaten all listed.

Pamela Gray
January 1, 2019 9:25 am

Yes dear Nancy. As long as you are doing what you believe is greater good, you are protected when you spew CO2 for your own pleasure. Meanwhile President Trump was at work waiting for you and your colleagues to burn the midnight oil.

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