UN claims yet another moving climate goalpost we’ll never reach

UN chief: ‘Pivotal moment’ for fighting global warming

Secretary-General António Guterres (right) briefs press on the occasion of the opening of the seventy-third session of the United Nations General Assembly on 20 September 2018. UN Photo/Manuel Elias

UNITED NATIONS — U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says the world has reached “a pivotal moment” in global warming and risks runaway climate change if leaders don’t act in the next two years.

He is telling world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly that they aren’t doing enough to combat what he calls “a direct existential threat” that is moving faster than people are working to combat it.

He notes that thick, permanent sea ice north of Greenland began to break up this year for the first time.

He’s calling for making sure the international Paris climate change agreement is implemented. U.S. President Donald Trump has announced he’s withdrawing his country from the pact.

Guterres is planning a climate summit next year.

Source: PBS Newshour

How many times have the goalposts been moved where that pivotal moment has been reached, and we are just a couple of years away from the irreversible or runaway scenario. I’ve lost count.

The UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres seems to not understand that Arctic sea ice hasn’t been disappearing, that this year is actually better than the worst years of 2007 and 2012, and hasn’t been cooperating with several “ice free” predictions made by Al Gore, Peter Wadhams, NSIDC’s Mark Serreze  and others.

I can say this though: MIT says we won’t ever be in a “runaway” climate scenario, as the warming trend so far doesn’t meet the criteria to get there from here.

Emergency canceled, but that won’t stop these numptys.

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Henning Nielsen
September 25, 2018 6:21 pm

The UN is well past its “best before” date. Better to dissolve it. Keep some parts maybe, but remove the false idea of global governance.

Reply to  Henning Nielsen
September 25, 2018 6:53 pm

It had a “best before date”?

Reply to  lee
September 25, 2018 7:07 pm

Expired long time ago

Tom in Florida
Reply to  lee
September 25, 2018 7:16 pm

October 23, 1945

Javert Chip
Reply to  Henning Nielsen
September 25, 2018 7:14 pm

What, pray tell, are the UN’s “best parts”?

Bryan A
Reply to  Javert Chip
September 25, 2018 7:37 pm

The initials

Reply to  Javert Chip
September 25, 2018 8:02 pm

The building. It can be turned into a hotel.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Javert Chip
September 26, 2018 12:45 am

Hey don’t knock ’em! These are the guys after all who banned DDT for noreal reason whatsoever, casuing the deaths of around 45 million people from Malaria, mostly weak, sick, elderly from Third World countries! They also declared openly that AIDS wasn’t a deadly communicable disease, therefore carriers weren’t required tobe detained & isolated until their condition could be ascertained, causing the deaths of around 65 million people, mostly in Africa! They also stood firm & tough in Rawanda when 3 million people were butchered with largely machettes, on tribal grounds. Wow, what a record to be proud of, eh?

Reply to  Alan the Brit
September 26, 2018 4:25 am

Alan wrote:
“These are the guys after all who banned DDT for no real reason whatsoever, causing the deaths of around 45 million people from Malaria, mostly weak, sick, elderly from Third World countries!”

Actually Alan, the majority of deaths from malaria were kids under five years of age. To me, this makes the ban of DDT much worse. The perpetrators of the DDT ban should rot in hell.

The big green machine drove the 30-year effective ban on DDT from 1972 to 2002, doubling deaths from malaria, most of whom were children 4 and under – just babies for Christ’s sake! After DDT was re-introduced, malaria deaths declined.


The Greens are the Great Killers of our time.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Javert Chip
September 26, 2018 7:59 pm

The Un, Un-Nazied the world, forever!

Reply to  Henning Nielsen
September 25, 2018 8:01 pm

I can’t think of any part of the UN that’s worth keeping.
The few few functions that it manages to perform with a faint sheen of competence can be better performed by private aid organizations or by individual governments.

Reply to  MarkW
September 26, 2018 6:21 am

But where shall we place our useless norwegian politicians then? (Gro H. Brundtland, Erik Solheim etc…..) Nobody else wants’em!

Reply to  Henning Nielsen
September 26, 2018 1:32 am

It is a massive taxtion sink and serves little purpose other than to give sex perverts free access to vulnerable people and give a jobs to useless farts like this idiot who wouldnt last 2 months in industry.

Reply to  MattS
September 26, 2018 6:17 am

Wait up. The UN is very useful for taking up parking spaces, legally or illegally, that would otherwise be used frivolously by NYC residents. Gotta give ’em credit for that.

September 25, 2018 6:25 pm

“U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says the world has reached “a pivotal moment” in global warming and risks runaway climate change if leaders don’t act in the next two years.”

I thought we’d passed the tipping point some time ago?

Robert Wykoff
Reply to  Jones
September 25, 2018 6:30 pm

The tipping point is Tommorow, tommorow, tommorow

Reply to  Robert Wykoff
September 25, 2018 8:08 pm

The Climate Change tipping point is just like Communism, always just over the horizon

Reply to  Neo
September 25, 2018 10:06 pm

The tipping point is always “The Day After Tomorrow.”

Robert of Ottawa
Reply to  Robert Wykoff
September 25, 2018 11:28 pm

Our bank accounts need refilling or doom and disaster will fall; plagues of frogs and swarms of bees.

Curious George
Reply to  Jones
September 25, 2018 6:32 pm

Please understand that there are twice as many “pivotal moments” as needy bureaucrats.

James Bull
Reply to  Curious George
September 26, 2018 9:18 am

OK which is it, a “tipping point” or a “pivotal moment” I need to know as it determines my response indifference or total disdain.

James Bull

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Jones
September 25, 2018 8:19 pm

He looks to me like if he tries to pivot, he’ll leave a divot.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Jones
September 26, 2018 4:29 am

“I thought we’d passed the tipping point some time ago?”

But the “tapping point” (the blood-sucking deadline) is always now.

Reply to  Jones
September 26, 2018 8:22 am

Well, according to MIT unless the Earth’s average temperature reaches 152 °F (66 °C) there won’t be any runaway global heating. We aren’t even close to this.

0 for 2 with his pronouncements. Have these individuals have no sense of embarrassment?
When nothing they say is correct, why should they have any expectation that they should be heeded?

September 25, 2018 6:29 pm

Nothing but death will stop these numpties as their livelihood and prestige depend on their fostering a continuous flow of Climate ‘Emergencies’.

September 25, 2018 6:32 pm

There is no tipping point, no pivotal moment. What tips; what pivots??
Each future “catastrophe” the alarmists predict has a different future timeline, which ranges from next year to centuries or more in the future (for polar ice melting). Which one is their claimed tipping point? Effects of gradual global warming would play out incrementally.

Charles Higley
Reply to  donb
September 25, 2018 7:44 pm

There are no tipping points!
If there were, we would have tipped long ago, as CO2 has been much higher in the recent past, three times in the last 200 years, and the temperature was warmer in the 1930s and all of the warm peaks before this. We have not tipped, period.

September 25, 2018 6:33 pm

Once we pass the tipping point, will they finally shut up about it?

Reply to  Davis
September 25, 2018 9:38 pm

No – they just continually come up with new tipping points.

Reply to  Davis
September 26, 2018 2:51 am

We passed the tipping point in 1998.

Reply to  Davis
September 26, 2018 6:07 am

No. It has to continue because there’s a new sucker born every minute.

As Hitler said, “Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it.”

September 25, 2018 6:34 pm

Numpty? What a great word on which to end the post, Anthony!! It’s so fitting for Guterres and the ever-numpty Al Gore .


Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 25, 2018 8:04 pm

Numpty Dumpty sat on a wall
Numpty Dumpty had a great fall
and landed on a masseuse

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 25, 2018 8:04 pm

I second that. Numpty is my nomination for word of the year.
Numpty: noun for a person with no relevant knowledge making pronunciations about subjects far beyond their understanding. 2: making a statement that conveys no useful or meaningful information.
ex: “the world has reached a pivotal moment”.

Reply to  LogicalChemist
September 25, 2018 9:39 pm

They have a giant behind (@$$) out of which they pull these tipping point numbers

Tom Abbott
Reply to  LogicalChemist
September 26, 2018 4:16 am

Love your example, Logical!

If increased CO2 production really was an existential threat to the Earth’s population, the UN would be pressuring China and India and every other nation to stop building coal-fired powerplants. Instead, the UN has agreed to allow China and India to produce just as much CO2 as they wish until the year 2030.

If increased CO2 production really was an existential threat to the Earth’s population, then the UN would be holding an emergency meeting next week, not a meeting next year.

It’s all politics combined with numptyism.

Unfortunately for the numptys, the weather is not cooperating with them. CO2 is up, and the temperatures are not, unless you believe the bogus, bastardized surface temperature charts. Which would make you a numpty.

CD in Wisconsin
September 25, 2018 6:35 pm

How many times have we had to start the climate doomsday countdown clock now? Six, seven times? Eight times? Is anyone keeping a list?

The world’s supply of people who are willing to make fools of themselves never seems to get exhausted.

Tom Gelsthorpe
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
September 25, 2018 10:47 pm


September 25, 2018 6:43 pm

Errr, 2…hundred years check point,>…

John Minich
September 25, 2018 6:45 pm

I’m getting rather tired of these pretending-to-be-knowledgeable-but-actually-bone-head-ignorant-elites trying to cow the rest of us with dire warnings of false information about the future (aka lies). I suppose I should find some comfort in the lies being so obvious, that it doesn’t take much time to sort them out from the truth.

tsk tsk
September 25, 2018 6:53 pm

Needs moar sandwich boardz!!!!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  tsk tsk
September 25, 2018 7:47 pm

Needs more cowbell.
Don’t Fear the Reaper.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
September 26, 2018 11:43 am

Seasons don’t fear the reaper
Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain, we can be like they are.

Very appropriate.

September 25, 2018 7:26 pm

I’m worried.

What if this pivotal, unprecedented, catastrophic, tipping point, man made crisis thing is real? unlike all the others for the past 40 years? Enough monkeys with enough typewriters, that sort of thing. OMG

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  yarpos
September 25, 2018 8:29 pm


September 25, 2018 7:27 pm

According to socialist climate actiivists, we must yield only to the opinions of climate scientists. Guterres is not a climate scientist, so we can all safely ignore what he says.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  WR
September 25, 2018 7:45 pm

Even were he a climate scientist, we could safely ignore anything he says.

Anything he says is politically motivated. What he says is not science dependent. The UN wants a science conclusion to support their political ambitions. The UN pays for (via member complicit member nations) said “scientific” report. The pseudo-science report says what the UN wants to hear.

Joel O'Bryan
September 25, 2018 7:40 pm

The moving goal posts of denialism.
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The UN and the IPCC and the UNFCCC are in total denial that their past projections have failed. The real deniers are the UN and its IPCC rent seekers.

September 25, 2018 7:47 pm

Sigh, I haven’t come to grips with the last 20 climate ultimatums. To think that people aren’t aware of the constant threats to mankind caused by climate not materializing shows you their disdain for the average person.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  markl
September 25, 2018 7:51 pm

They completely depend on the average person not having any clue how they are being screwed up the Wahzoo on the future cost of their energy consumption.

For the most part, they sadly appear to be correct on that assumption. To wit; California, South Australia, and Germany.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
September 26, 2018 3:52 pm

I am pleased to say that Ontario Province is off the list. They deleted the carbon tax on natural gas this week, saving a typical consumer $80 a year. The price of gasoline went down last week for the same reason.

I was fascinated to hear that around the world there are examples of distributors demanding PV electricity producers pay them to take their power on demand as a condition of providing a connection. No one thinks it is economic let alone profitable to have it on the grid. Imagine! Electricity with a negative cost to the distributors! And they will still place a limit on it because above some % they incur even more losses to take it and get rid of it somewhere.

It is sinking in, deeply: until large capacity capacitors are available, episodic power off demand (is that a ‘thing’?) or EPOD is not viable in most locations.

Randy Stubbings
Reply to  markl
September 25, 2018 8:58 pm

If we really have reached a tipping point, isn’t it time to just enjoy the ride for the time we have left? My children, and their children, and my great-to-the-nth-power grandchildren can also enjoy the ride (unless of course something that is a true existential threat [asteroid? nuclear war?] occurs. Meanwhile, having heard all summer than heat and forest fires are the “new normal,” the next week or two of weather here is projected to be 15 degrees C below normal, with daily highs being below normal lows.

September 25, 2018 7:50 pm

“How many times have the goalposts been moved where that pivotal moment has been reached, and we are just a couple of years away from the irreversible or runaway scenario”

It’s bureaucratese. The only way these guys know how to talk. The underlying issue is that these bureaucrats have discovered that when eco whacko issues are set on a global scale it provides an opportunity for them to take charge and increase the size, budget, reach, and power of their organization. Everything they say is best understood in that context and not in terms of climate science.

Please see



Pop Piasa
Reply to  Chaamjamal
September 25, 2018 10:50 pm

I’ll post it again. Climate Panic is 3% science and 97% politics.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Pop Piasa
September 26, 2018 10:07 am

I think you credited it with far too much science!

High Treason
September 25, 2018 7:53 pm

It is just so obvious that the hysterical climate scare is a hoax. They just want us to believe their story (so they can get hundreds of billions of dollars a year from their scam) with what ever lies they come up with to support the failing narrative. Very much like how Judge Kavanaugh is being slandered by unsubstantiated allegations to have him not appointed to SCOTUS. It is a clearly failing narrative and having ever more absurd “evidence” tendered to support what was a always a fraud. They know that when it is eventually revealed as a fraud from the beginning, heads will roll, so they will maintain the LIE till beyond the bitter end-like squealing pigs knowing their number is up.

September 25, 2018 7:56 pm

“He notes that thick, permanent sea ice north of Greenland began to break up this year for the first time.”

Anybody else have any comments on “permanent sea ice” in the Arctic?
I checked quickly. It seems the “permanent sea ice” is just a pile-up of ice that wind and currents have brought in from elsewhere. That arctic ice is in constant motion and swirls and flows as it is pushed by wind and currents is well known. In this area of the arctic, the ice is pushed south, out the Fram Straight east of Greenland, and some of the ice is snagged by the north coast of Greenland, resulting in a big, persistent pile-up of ice.

When I did my internet search, the results were dominated by at least two dozen news reports of “first ever” and coming catastrophe. These were all the usual MSM outlets.
Of note was the interesting fact that all the reports were very similar, often using identical phrasing. It makes one suspect that all the reports were spawned by a single press release which was picked up by the media and broadcast to the world.
Coordinated media event, anybody?

Wiliam Haas
Reply to  TonyL
September 25, 2018 8:27 pm

The previous interglacial period, the Eemian, was warmer than this one with higher sea levels and more ice cap melting yet no runaway warming ever happened. The statement that “the permanent sea ice north of Greenland began to break up this year for the first time: is false.

Reply to  Wiliam Haas
September 26, 2018 2:29 am

Most of the current interglacial was warmer than it is today, with less sea ice.

The Arctic sea ice extent currently ranges from about 100% of the Arctic Ocean in March down to 40% in September. When satellite measurements began, it was about 110% and 60%.

Satellite measurements began near the end of That 70’s Climate Science Show, when the tipping point was toward an “ice age.”

60% Sept sea ice coverage = Ice age panic!
40% Sept sea ice coverage = Hothouse panic!
40-60% Sept sea ice coverage = Pristine Goldilocks climate.
<20% Sept sea ice coverage = Most of the Holocene

The stupid literally does burn bright in the brains of Warmunists.

Alan Tomalty
Reply to  TonyL
September 25, 2018 8:55 pm


If you look at the sea ice thickness, the ice just north of Greenland is 4.5 metres thick in some places and for 100’s of miles north of that it is still at least 2.5 metres thick. I don’t know where the UN head got his information but it is clearly bogus. You will also notice that the Arctic ice is 2000 km^3 more than 2 years ago.

As for Antarctica , listen to the following podcast.

Reply to  TonyL
September 25, 2018 9:34 pm

>>>”Of note was the interesting fact that all the reports were very similar, often using identical phrasing. It makes one suspect that all the reports were spawned by a single press release which was picked up by the media and broadcast to the world.
Coordinated media event, anybody?”<<<

Journalists go to websites like this to get talking points.

Reply to  CKMoore
September 25, 2018 10:36 pm

So if I wanted to put together a coordinated media scare campaign on the environmental panic du- jour, this is one of my first stops. No doubt well known among media relations/media consultant groups.

Reply to  CKMoore
September 25, 2018 11:56 pm

“Understand the Science” suggests Schrag. What Science?

Reply to  CKMoore
September 26, 2018 1:09 am


Schrag is an unprincipled low life. He makes the points many here make “Climate change is here, it’s happening and going to be with us for thousands of years,”…….. well, millions of years actually, and it’s been with us for millions of years in the past, but I’m splitting hairs.

Then he says, “You could never say that this particular hurricane [Harvey] was caused by climate change,” Correct, because even the IPCC says hurricanes have nothing to do with climate change.

However, the false spin on it for journalists is, “But you can say climate change leads to conditions that make these hurricanes worse, and makes it rain more……..”. Which would make it a consequence of climate change, which we know it’s not!

What a dishonest creep.

honest liberty
Reply to  TonyL
September 26, 2018 7:16 am

Tony- all of this is a coordinated by MSM. I continuously point out the scope of this conspiracy and yet continue to be labeled tin foil by a few reluctant statists, you know, those folks that think they are so smart yet they can’t recognize patterns nor accept that conspiracy is a genuine thing.
TruthStreamMedia had a wonderful video where they spliced together over 40 local broadcast channels using IDENTICAL language, regarding internet censorship over “fake news”, to this effect:
“in order to protect our democracy” etc.

For the folks who like to stew in their Republican echo chamber (which, by the way if I had to choose, I’ll gladly take that over the Democrats virtue signaling echo chamber), I think its time you start actually watching Corbett Report, TruthStreamMedia, Tragedy&Hope.com PeaceRevolutionPodcast and maybe tune into Brett Vennoite with School sucks podcast, and just recently Project Veritas.

This is REAL journalism. Period. Not paid for by the likes of Soros or Rockefellers. James Corbett places all his source material in every single video so you can vett it for yourselves. For any of you still living in this nonsense left/right paradigm…my sympathies.

Tony, it is absolutely a conspiracy and it is absolutely mind control

September 25, 2018 7:58 pm

Of course it won’t stop the numpties. They have dreams of glory, power and unlimited amounts of other people’s money dancing in their heads.

They won’t let anything as trivial as reality, or the deaths of millions stand in their way.

Dave O.
September 25, 2018 7:58 pm

Will the UN steal money from some countries and give it to other countries, claiming that it’s to fight “climate change” or will it not? We are at the tipping point.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 26, 2018 5:12 am

I just heard Nicky Haley, the UN ambassador, say that most of the leaders were falling all over themselves to talk to Trump and get a picture with him, after his speech. They love his bluntness about friend and foe alike, she said. Of course, the hate-Trump news media portrays the situation differently.

Wallaby Geoff
September 25, 2018 8:09 pm

Guterres policy seems to be, “if I make up science and scary scenarios, the dumbasses out there will swallow it”. So the announcement has been worthwhile, pretty much the Gore style.

Gary Pearse
September 25, 2018 8:11 pm

They move goal posts both ways. A half dozen years ago it was projected 2100 would 3-5C above1950 base with 95% confidence. As research kept lowering climate sensitivity and projections were running 300% above observations despite unrelenting jiggering adjustments, and the “Dreaded Pause ^тм” kept lenghthening toward 2 decades, triggering the Climate Blues that permanently ended the careers of a large number of afflicted clisci researchers who couldnt face what their inner minds were trying to tell them ( …all that study through PhD, all that research and a large part of their careers and life wasted – their illness was caused by the most classic psyche diagnosis- D*nile). Job one was to disappear the Pause by hook or by crook and Karl on the eve of his retirememt, did exactly this.

And the ECS problem? They chopped the 2100 disaster temp anomaly down to 2C, but calculations were suggesting that we couldn’t achieve 2C even pulling out all stops, so they stretched it back to a base of 1850! Just in case, they then wrote papers that above 1.5C would result in horrible consequences. Since we already had 0.8C since 1850, in the space of a few years they had chopped the dangerous increase from 3-5C, down to 0.7C by 2100. And they managed to convince their useful fools that thus was a danger.

Me, I’m sticking to my 99% confidence level forecast that the “Great Greening ^тм” is ushering in “Garden of Eden Earth ^тм” to coincide with peaking of the population at ~9B and a perennial age of plenty, peace and prosperity. Malthus and the Marxbrothers will finally be laid to rest.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Gary Pearse
September 25, 2018 8:56 pm

This really is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Humanity seems unwilling to appreciate it.
Jimi Hendrix supposedly said: “When the power of love exceeds the love of power, the world will know peace”.

September 25, 2018 8:16 pm

The UAH 6.0 global temp anomaly as of August 2018 was 0.19C, compared to CMIP5’s 102 model average projection of around 1.2C; off by a factor of six…

The only “crisis” the UN is facing is a crisis of credibility, and how to explain why global taxpayers have been forced to waste $10’s of trillions of their hard-earned money on this silly disconfirmed CAGW hypothesis.

NONE of CAGW’s dire predictions are coming even close to reflecting reality: Sea Level Rise, severe weather trends, ocean “acidification”, CH4 levels, catastrophic Greenland and Antarctic land ice loss, catastrophic global warming trends, Arctic Summer ice disappearing by 2012, etc…

We’ve ENJOYED about 0.85C of beneficial global warming recovery since the end of the Little Ice Age (1280~1850–the coldest event in 10,000 years), of which, CO2 forcing has perhaps contributed around 0.3C of total beneficial warming recovery…

There will be a small 1-year spike in global temps during the developing weak El Nino cycle, but by 2021, the UAH 6.0 global temp anomaly should be around 0.0C, or may even be in negative territory following a strong and cold La Nina cycle.

Leftist political hacks will continue to pound the table, while CAGW skeptics continue to pound the facts.

CAGW is dead.

Wiliam Haas
September 25, 2018 8:16 pm

The previous interglacial period, the Eemian, was warmer than this one with higher sea levels and more ice cap melting yet no runaway global warming ever happened. The Eemian was followed by the last ice age. In the past the amount of cO2 in the atmosphere has been more than 10 times what it is today and during that time there were warm periods and cold periods but no runaway warmering ever happened. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rationale to support the idea that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. There are many good reasons to be conserving on the use of CO2 but climate change is not one of them.

September 25, 2018 8:25 pm

For those like myself who have lived long enough, before we had the UN, 1945, we had the “League of Nations”. It was mostly white and Western countries and just like the present UN, could not agree on the important thikngs.

Todays UN is mostly black and brown natipons, and their thinking is clearly how to ghet more money from the once rich Western nations.

The IPCC’s UN b acked scam of Global waarming come climate change come extreme weather is perfect for them to blame the Western nations for all of their own self inflicted problems.

Trump should cease to pay the UN anything, especially after they laughed at him. . He has a long memory.


Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Michael
September 26, 2018 1:19 am

Thank you for inadvertently inventing a new word – natipons. All we have to do now is think of a meaning we can all agree on and use. Shakespeare would have been proud of your slip of the fingers.
Perhaps a statement of imminent climate catastrophe made by the UN?

M__ S__
September 25, 2018 8:44 pm

Just another blowhard wasting whatever further integrity that the UN SHOULD have, but never will and never has.

Steven Fraser
September 25, 2018 8:45 pm

I’m grokkin’ this nuptyness.

September 25, 2018 8:53 pm

Anthony (and others) – I say again that these CAGW-pushing mouthpieces aren’t ‘numptys’ at all, they are carefully trained people all playing the same propaganda / disinformation game, which is basically the same as the Soviets used against the West for decades in the Cold War – tell the same lie over and over until it becomes the ‘truth’, misrepresent the facts, ignore all facts that might refute their narrative, etc.
There is no doubt that propaganda works on some naive minds, especially if it widely broadcast and continues for a long period (think decades). The question that we should be asking ourselves is ‘how should we respond to this propaganda’? The longer it goes on, the more firmly are their narratives embedded in these naive minds, who don’t even know that they have been brainwashed.

Reply to  BoyfromTottenham
September 26, 2018 1:23 am


As a propaganda drive, climate change is failing miserably though. The general public don’t care because all the laughable predictions made over the last 40 years have failed.

The UK, by way of example, is about to spend £ Billions refurbishing the Houses of Parliament, which is on the banks of the River Thames!

The public are laughing because they recognise that, despite the political statements made daily on climate change, the politicians themselves don’t believe the CAGW clap trap they thoughtlessly regurgitated.

Reply to  HotScot
September 26, 2018 2:06 am

Over the last few years and across the world ,come election times AGW has come no where in the list of peoples concerns hence why its been a ‘none-problem ‘ for those looking to get elected .

Its was always going to be a ‘slow death ‘ rather than a quick kill , if for no other reason than the number of people whose livelihoods depended on it and the number of ‘hangers-on ‘ who attached to the AGW wagon in the hope of getting their own ideas forced unto the people .

September 25, 2018 9:07 pm

The United States doesn’t deserve the benefits or prestige that arise from hosting the United Nations. The UN should be relocated to a country that could use a social and economic boost. Yemen, Somalia or maybe Syria would be a perfect new location.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Thomas
September 25, 2018 10:22 pm

Yes, the US deserves way better than to have to coddle the dictators of the United Nations.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pop Piasa
September 25, 2018 10:25 pm

Have you ever seen a UN representative position on the ballot, Thomas?

Reply to  Thomas
September 26, 2018 2:02 am

dam good idea , but one small problem the UN delegates and there workers tend to be ‘very keen ‘ on the luxury end of living so you need to be somewhere ‘nice ‘ or they are going no where .

Greg Woods
Reply to  Thomas
September 26, 2018 2:54 am

Burkina Faso

September 25, 2018 9:10 pm

How many times have the goalposts been moved where that pivotal moment has been reached, and we are just a couple of years away from the irreversible or runaway scenario. I’ve lost count.

People can read between the lines and realize what’s going on. I am reminded of a German who realized the jig was up during WW2 because “All our great victories kept getting closer to Berlin.”

If you don’t prod them, people don’t think about CAGW as a problem. There are much worse real things to worry about. I have often cited the ongoing Gallup poll on the nation’s most important problem. CAGW doesn’t rate a specific mention. The environment is currently a serious problem for 1% of the population.

Few politicians will directly stand up against CAGW orthodoxy. They will give it lip service. Then the more right wing politicians will ignore it as best they can. It won’t hurt them with a large majority of the voters.

The population is mostly tuned out on CAGW warnings. Repetition and fresh warnings aren’t working.

Rick C PE
Reply to  commieBob
September 25, 2018 9:56 pm

The top of my list of things to worry about include nuclear war, asteroid impact, 9.0+ earthquakes, super volcanoes, pandemics and the national debt. Climate change comes after ED and male pattern baldness.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Rick C PE
September 25, 2018 10:13 pm

So for all practical purposes, the worst of life’s problems can be solved with Artas Robotic hair replacements and Blue Chews.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Rick C PE
September 26, 2018 12:33 am

your young arn’t you Rick.

Try heart attack
pension fund

John V. Wright
September 25, 2018 10:00 pm

I’m with Boy from Tottenham (above). Yes, I love the word ‘numpty’ also but these people are more calculating than that. As I have pointed out before on Anthony’s excellent blog, Guterres was head of the Socialist party in Portugal before he became that nation’s Prime Minister and then went on to be the head of Socialist International. All you need to know about that era of politicians is that he was replaced as PM by his old mate Barroso – yes, the guy who went on to be President of the European Commission, the all-powerful unelected and anti-democratic bureaucracy that runs the European Union.

What links the two posts of the UN Secretary General and the EC President? They are both unelected positions, reached by a mysterious political osmosis. The people who occupy them wield enormous power and influence and cannot be voted out of office.

Here’s the deal. Guterres is an old-fashioned redistributor of wealth. Your wealth, obviously, not his. CAGW is a global wealth redistribution scam and Guterres is a leading proponent of it. Numpty? Yes, probably. Dangerous? Without doubt.

Reply to  John V. Wright
September 26, 2018 10:46 am

Here’s a few Socialist International (SI) fun facts:

After we removed Saddam Hussein, Iraq ‘elected’ Jalal Talabani as their president who just happens to be a VP in Socialistinternational.org. There’s a couple of SI links where you can read him addressing the crowd as “comrades”.

Clinton’s former economic advisor Joseph Stiglitz is also a member of SI and was one of the 17 people who advised the Pope on climate change some years ago.

SI states on their website that they want “nothing less than world government”. Given the breath and tentacles of this organization, I think its a matter of time before they have total control of the world. And given that the current president of communist China is on record of saying he’s for socialism as well as some of the past leaders of communist Russia, I can see a possible scenario where these ‘socialists’, once they have total control of the world, switch to communism and watch/monitor/control the entire world’s population 24/7/365…

What could go wrong?

Robert of Ottawa
September 25, 2018 11:29 pm

The Sun is spotless, we must send money.

Gary Ashe
September 26, 2018 12:28 am

The Don should call their bluff by offering to bet him a million his predictions are wrong.

Stephen Richards
September 26, 2018 12:50 am

Is this two years part of the same 4months that jugears Charles gave us or is it part of the same 5 years the UN gave us before.

I’m soooo confused

September 26, 2018 1:44 am

Sorry guys, but the tipping point is already here.

It was warming slightly since the late 1970,s

Now its tipping into a cooling trend… NATURALLY.

September 26, 2018 1:59 am

Guterres is planning a climate summit next year.

And of course the number of five start hotels and airport capacity for private jets will form an ‘important’ part of decided where to hold it .

The things to remember is those claiming ‘the end is nigh ‘ never say when this ‘nigh ‘ is .

Peta of Newark
September 26, 2018 2:51 am

aaaaaaand -what have we here?

A full grown adult male.
A bit in the large size. (Uno where this is going doncha)

He should be worldly wise, educated and experienced in ‘all things human’ – hence *why* he is in the elevated position he is – he is a Village Elder. Good. As it should be. All is well.

BUT – why is he talking so scared & frightened – why is he acting like a small child pleading for candy?
…….and he is not the only one, by a very long shot.

carbonoxide is *not* the problem here………..

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 26, 2018 3:10 am

Please do recognise that that was NOT an Ad-hom.
The guy has simply been doing (eating) what everyone else does and, in fact, what doctors and scientists (nearly) all tell us is good and healthy, supposedly for both mind and body.
He has been a ‘good’ and ‘model’ citizen. Stayed out of trouble and worked hard

If he does have a weakness, it was that he trusted the new crop of scientists.

He didn’t consult with *his* elders?

Was he ‘bought’ (many would suggest he has been) *or* is his memory and thought-processing failing?
Why might that be, considering that folks mentioned in the Bible got to be ‘3 score plus ten’ before encountering any serious problems?

Recall Mr Damiano’s words from yesterday…..

Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 26, 2018 9:54 am

Dunno, Peta, I think there’s something to be said about character (or lack of) showing up on one’s countenance….

Bruce Cobb
September 26, 2018 3:30 am

Two years…two years…two years…dang it, something else important happens in two years; I just can’t quite put my finger on it. It’ll come to me.

September 26, 2018 3:46 am

my local paper had someone with private? or donated funding run this crud as a halfpage ad today!
I am raging angry
some cluster calling emselves australia21
agenda 21 by any other name, obviously
will try and get a letter to editor published but..doubtful
very odd cos the editor pretty much avoids ALL climate topics.
guess she needed the money.
i bet the webpage they threw in is a no comment one too.

September 26, 2018 4:24 am

Prince Charles said on 9 March 2009 that we only have 100 months to save the world.
Time ran out on 9 July 2017.

On 20 October 2009 Gordon Brown (PM at the time) said “We have fewer than fifty days to save our planet from catastrophe.”
49 days later, that clock ran out on 8 December 2009.

On 12 December 2007 the BBC declared the Arctic will be ice-free by 2013.

All the climate hysterics’ predictions, just like all their climate models, have been proved to be 100% wrong – something they never talk about, for some reason.

Steve O
September 26, 2018 5:01 am

Secretary-General, given that the alarmists have resoundingly lost the public policy debate, and there is zero momentum towards meeting your 2-year deadline, do you have any policy ideas that are based on that reality?

To be clear, you’re essentially saying that we’re going to experience runaway warming. Should we be doing whatever we can to make electricity inexpensive so that the poor can afford air conditioning, or should we be doing thing to make it more expensive so that they die?

September 26, 2018 6:39 am

The UN like the Pope is using climate to distract. Trump’s speech there did not mention Paris or Climate as far as I know – looks like climate is a gone bunny.
Very important that Bolton,Haley,Popmeo all echo Trump’s no-regime-change intent. And the UN is the place for such peace efforts – with the Westphalia Treaty engraved on its walls.
Compare that to Powell freaking out about Iraq.
Trump used the UN to press hard on sovereignty, for all nations. The speech is well worth reading to gauge Guterres’ “one climate imperialism”.

Jaakko Kateenkorva
September 26, 2018 8:22 am

Semantics has not proven to be UN forte, especially in their various efforts to rescue mankind from manmade armageddons. At this stage semantic malleability is a fair game both ways.

Therefore, I declare myself skeptical of photosynthesis strike by vegan food. Of course the UN can call their latest armageddon milestone however they like.

Similarly, taking into consideration Wikipedia semantics, tipping is commonly given to certain service sector workers for a service performed, as opposed to money offered for a product or as part of a purchase price. Perhaps the term the tipping point in two years should also be considered accordingly. The UN budget is biennial after all.

September 26, 2018 9:43 am

With all due respect, but I mean, really, would anybody trust that face?

September 26, 2018 12:22 pm

The fact that people buy into this nonsense and listen to these people is the really scary thing. How can they not see they are being lied to?

September 26, 2018 2:58 pm

In 2009 Prince Charles warned that we only have 100 months to save the world: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/mar/08/prince-charles-monarchy

Does anyone know whether we’ve reached the 100 months? I have the same problem as all the deplorables on this site: once a number gets past my 23 fingers and toes, I have no way of keeping count.

Reply to  rubberduck
September 27, 2018 2:16 am

learn binary-
you can count to 1048576 with your pants on.

John Endicott
Reply to  gnomish
September 27, 2018 6:10 am

Ok, first 23 fingers and toes? is rubberduck a mutant?

second 1048576 requires 21 digits, so normal people with only 20 digits (5 fingers each hand, 5 toes each foot) would need to take their pants off to reach that number (if male, females would have to find something else to count with). 1048575, on the other hand, only requires 20 digits, so pants can stay on.

Reply to  John Endicott
September 27, 2018 11:40 am

oh, right. 0 – 104875. but unless you’re really excited, you can just remove your socks.
if you take your pants off, you can count to 2097151 and get on a registry.

John Endicott
September 27, 2018 6:00 am

we’ve passed the “point of no return”, multiple times. Several “tipping points” have come and gone. this “Pivotal moment” will be no different. as will all the many “Pivotal moments” yet to come and what ever over buzz words they come up with to say the same nonsense in future.

johann wundersamer
September 27, 2018 7:35 am

The solution lies in “reading UN”:

Russia done it to trick away Hillary – since then we must regress To Our Own Money.

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