Friday Funny – how to report weather like the MSM

My friend, Rick McKee, cartoonist for the Augusta Chronicle has noted the proper method for the reporting of weather events by the MainStream Media. Case in point; Hurricane Florence

And then there’s this one, an oldie but goodie poking fun at the Paris Climate Agreement..

 

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101 thoughts on “Friday Funny – how to report weather like the MSM

  1. The good ol’ BBC is still ramping Florence up as a hurricane! Is it still just a Cat2 storm or is it really causing the death & destruction that the Beeb claim?

    • Tropical storm, some wind and rain and foot or two surge. Big woopie. So I guess the worst man has ever seen hit the Carolinas fizzled out on them. Well hey, it didn’t take that prediction 20 years to play out this time.

      • Tropical storm, some wind (Cat 1 hurricane with 90 mph sustained/120 mph gusts)
        rain (some areas already have over 10 ” with expectations of 20 – 30″)
        foot or two surge (areas of NC already have seen 10′, and if this storm slowly drifts south more areas will have the joy of seeing surge from the northern side of the storm.)

        Homes in NC/SC don’t have the same strict building codes we have in FL post Andrew, and most homeowners there do not have flood/wind insurance. Over 300k homes already are without power, probably approaching 1M. Flooding will last for over a week. I’m sure local residents will feel put out quite enough even if the damage toll isn’t enough to get you excited. Sorry the numbers aren’t huge enough to impress you. (I waited 2 hours to respond to you. This is the “nice” version. We’ve been through hurricanes and suffered damage, financial loss and discomfort from storms smaller than this, and I have family that evacuated and are possibly losing their businesses this week. Your insensitivity is astonishing. )

        • I have to agree with Dan on this one. I have a vivid memory from the morning of Hurricane Andrew in South Dade County. An NBC reporter in Ft. Lauderdale stepped outside and reported that it wasn’t so bad. Back in New York, Bryant Gumbel and Jane Pauley smiled and declared that the storm wasn’t as bad as they were expecting. They were clueless. It took two days to really get an idea of the scope of the devastation that actually happened there. It will take even longer for us to realize the damage that Florence will eventually leave behind in her wake, because she is moving so slowly.

          Were the winds over-forecast? Yes. But that was a forecast error, not hype. The models did not anticipate the level of southerly upper-level wind shear impacting Florence the last few days. Without that wind shear, the surface winds would likely have been as advertised. Thankfully, they were not that strong. Still, it is a hurricane and it is still raining and the surge is still surging.

          The damage will be extensive and the cost will run into the billions. Some people will likely die in the flooding.

          It is easy to be jaded by the overhype of the media, and their constant desire to make everything the most horrible thing ever. Florence won’t be the worst hurricane ever to hit the Carolinas, but for the people who are going through it now and in the days ahead, it may very well be the worse disaster of their lives.

          You don’t have to help by sending money or even giving a S#!t, but at least try not to be so disappointed that more people haven’t been killed or property hasn’t been destroyed!

          • I understand your and Dan’s concerns completely. But if you’re looking for those who are “disappointed that more people haven’t been killed or property hasn’t been destroyed,” that would be the Eco Nazis attempting to claim every “bad weather” event is caused by non-existent human induced climate catastrophe.

            What you see here is people railing against the media (and some less than honest scientists pushing the agenda) hyping this (and every recent) hurricane as some kind of “evidence” of “climate change,” not a lack of concern for the people being impacted. When anyone paying attention and bothering to look can find out that such notions are nothing more than propaganda.

          • “The models did not anticipate the level of southerly upper-level wind shear impacting Florence the last few days. ” Why not? Clearly, there was evidence of the upper-level shear, as you are reporting it. Couldn’t the modellers update their inputs in the face of physical evidence? Did the European model “anticipate” the upper-level shear.

            Yes, many thousands of people are affected by this hurricane. There may be injuries, and deaths. There will be massive property damage. But why did the modellers “miss” an important variable?

            And, in future, when there really is a Category 4 bearing down on the Carolinas, how many folks will ignore the warnings because Florence turned out to be, at worst, a Category 1?

          • That’s the real problem Jim. When the boys cry “Wolf” too many times people will ignore the real warnings. More to the point they no longer can tell the real warnings from the hyped ones.

        • rocketdan ,

          You wrote: “Tropical storm, some wind (Cat 1 hurricane with 90 mph sustained/120 mph gusts) ….”

          —–

          Please provide credible link to where you got those numbers.

          Highest wind I could find was Cape Lookout station CLKN7 (NDBC). Max sustained wind was 82 mph, max gust was 97 mph. A buoy (41159) offshore measured a max wave height of almost 28 ft. @ 3:00 pm on Thur (hours before landfall). Waves dropped off considerably before landfall.

          https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=clkn7

          https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=41159

          If I have missed something please let me know with credible links.

          If you want I can tell you all about a snowstorm that was devastating to me because my knee was injured. But I dealt with it because I don’t care to live where threat of flooding is part of the normal landscape. And I certainly didn’t try to tell my neighbors that there was twice as much snow when they could easily measure it. And the best part about the snow story is that they called for 20″ and we got 10″

        • This will be the Worst CAT4 storm to hit the Carolinas (this far north) EVER
          This will be the Worst CAT3 storm to hit the Carolinas (this far north) EVER
          This will be the Worst CAT2 storm to hit the Carolinas (this far north) EVER
          This will be just another CAT1 storm to hitting the Carolinas bringing Storm Surge flooding like always, Heavy Rain flooding like always and normal CAT1 winds…
          Not to minimalize it, I’m certain that the localized devastation will be horrendous to the populace and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, not even Al Baby or the Mann…But it was Hyped into the Super-storm of the modern age and fizzled fantastically. It didn’t even pick up steam while traveling over the Gulf Stream which was supposed to re-intensify it. Just another failure of climate modeling predicting worsest evah and being proven wrong.

          • BINGO!
            There is much … unfortunate? … for lack of a better word about CAT 1 hurricane hitting the Carolina’s. (And I have friends that live near the coast a bit north of Wilmington. I have a personal concern,)
            Florence is “unfortunate” but not unusual.

        • My family lives in New Bern, my sister did get water in her home, and the Florence was hyped ridiculously.
          If you choose not to see that, you are the one out of line.

          • Just replying here, but to a number of other posts.

            1. Was Florence hyped?
            No. If she gained energy on the way to the Carolinas, the devastation would have been horrific.

            2. Conflicting interests:
            From a disaster response point of view, it is important to make the right call.
            The problem is, decisions are made on an incomplete picture.

            a) If you wait too long before evacuation, highways will congested, gas stations will be empty and people will be stuck on the road. If you make the decision to evacuate early, then you run the risk of the storm losing energy and fizzling out. Subsequently people don’t believe you the next time they are told to evacuate.

            b) Many people are not prepared to weather out a storm for 72hrs or longer.
            During Hurricane Harvey, people who could have waited longer before seeking help, did not. Let’s face it, if you have not planned for a disaster and the lights go out, you’re afraid.

            3. Forecasting with incomplete modeling is tough.
            When you look at the spaghetti graphs (ensemble) of hurricane tracking, it is clear the understanding of how weather conditions change over time is not completely understood. One model will have it track north, another south, and the averages are somewhere in between. Forecasts have come a long way, but they are still imperfect.

            Maybe someday forecasts will approach perfection, but for now? Not so much.

            A quote I once read from an electronics engineer:
            All models are wrong. Some are useful.

        • Our internet has been out so I couldn’t get our streaming service or WUWT til two hours ago. I was surprised to see all these comments. Let me just say that I was responding to only one comment where Kasper said “Tropical storm, some wind and rain and foot or two surge. Big woopie.” As some have pointed out my offhand wind numbers may have been 10% – 20% high, but compared to “a foot or two” I still feel I was more accurate. And it was a hurricane not a tropical storm. My 10′ surge number was an early report from the NHC. But I am not a weather geek tracking every buoy, and this is not an area of expertise for me. I NEVER commented about the accuracy of models, claims that this storm was climate change related, or was massively overhyped or not. I realize some here are probably getting forecast from really crappy British sources (Cat 6 forecast??) but for days the local/national forecasts we saw were for a Cat 4 declining to a Cat 2 by landfall, and 24 hours out they said more estimates were showing it could slow down and drift southward along the coast. It was called a major rain/flooding event more than a wind event for days. Those claims certainly were not far off. I am thankful the death toll is “only” 7 so far, “only” 900K people are without power, and I do hope the area sees less than the $20B or so in financial impact estimated. Again, I was responding only to Kasper. Everyone else can relax. I’m moving on.

    • After Florence failed to strengthen and hit as a cat ‘6’ as originally suggested, the BBC was this morning saying on the radio that people get too hung up on the wind speed, this one is worse than ever because of its size and the historic unprecedented rainfall expected.

      That strange noise is the sound of goalposts being dragged by a tractor.

      • Still is.
        A large slow moving cat 1 hurricane, but still a cat 1.

        You know the storm is minimal when newscasters harp on about a wind gust allegedly measured at a distant beach point. Meanwhile they stand in open areas with their clothes lightly flapping.
        One lady weather fabricator is easily wearing a baseball cap while the eyewall passes nearby…
        The rain isn’t stinging them.
        The sand isn’t abrading them.
        The local flora isn’t whipping down to the ground.
        This has never ever happened before; topped only by a hurricane in 1960…

        Paid idiots on parade.

    • The BBC, Channel 4, ITN all continuing to give this story endless coverage even though Florence was downgraded to Cat 2 2 days earlier. Yet Typhoon Jebi caused 11 deaths and widespread destruction in Japan and they don’t even mention it. The rule is: any event in the USA is 100 times more important than similar events anywhere else in the world. The BBC eg sends several hundred staff to cover US elections, even uncontroversial ones like Bush or Obama getting re-elected. They’ve got staff in Washington, better give them something to do. That’s how news works. We know more about the USA than we do about EU countries, including the closest countries such as Ireland. France, Netherlands.

  2. Been watching as Florence wind speeds wind back from 140 to 90mph. The reporting at times sounds like they are almost dissapointed.

      • They were likely chomping at the bit to find out who’d get to go beachside and mug the camera in a wind-blown rain poncho, waves crashing behind them. Career-wise, it’s like actors getting their big break.

        • All of them … caught up in their own hype.

          Last night, the fox news guy standing on the wooden walkway that goes over the fore-dune; the Ingram desk lady saying “get out of there … its too dangerous … I know that area well … that walkway will soon be gone…”; the heroic field guy says that he and the crew have been moving away as is necessary … for safety; the storm surge will come over the fore-dune; we will be careful. All the while, the beach grass slowly, slowly, slowly, wavers in the winds.

          I honestly haven’t seen it yet … but but I’ll give 2:1 odds that the walkway is still there.

      • Alarmist: “We’re all gonna die!”
        Realist: “Yes, we are – someday. Nobody lives forever.”
        Skeptic: “The historical data supports that hypothesis.”

  3. sorry if this is off topic but apparently wuwt is not aware of a new paper that is being hailed as something that nails it on the question of human caused sea level rise . Please see

    Clark, Peter U., et al. “Sea-level commitment as a gauge for climate policy.” Nature Climate Change 8.8 (2018): 653.

    I wrote a response to this paper. It may be found here in case you are interested:
    https://tambonthongchai.com/2018/09/14/cumulativeslr/

    • No, that is yet another simplistic garbage paper.
      It ignores the prior slr rise, it does not reflect the dramatic increase in CO2 vs. no actual change in slr rate, and it offers childish bs analogies that are not based on data.
      It is not even wrong.
      It is just another example of slimeball rent seeking by an academic hustler.

  4. It’s so immoral and unethical to see Leftists’ disheartened by Florence being downgraded from a “possible CAT5!!!!!!!!!!!!” to a CAT1….

    The Leftist MSM were so hoping for a Katrina 2.0 to enable them blame Trump 24/7/365 in preparation to midterm elections…

    The Leftist MSM is delighted Florence will still have torrential rains, which may give them the body count they so desperately want to progandize and blame Trump…

    Regardless of FEMA’s response, it’ll be too little, too late, and poorly organized, ‘cuz…Trump”..

    Leftists are evil.

    • Loved the shot of almost a million bottles of water sitting on a runway in Puerto Rico over a year after Maria. Seems FEMA delivered the bottled water and turned it over to the PR government, which proceeded to ‘forget about it’ and left it sit on the runway, but Trump ‘did nothing’ to help PR.

      • The most dramatic pictures I’ve seen are of Puerto Rico’s wind and solar power installations. People are dying because they don’t have electricity, because their electric grid is sh*t. Was wasting money on windmills and solar panels in a hurricane zone a Trump initiative? Maybe they should have spent their money upgrading their existing infrastructure.

        • +1,000.

          There’s a reason you don’t see “post hurricane” pictures of coal, oil, gas, or nuclear fired power plants. Because post hurricane photos showing little or no damage aren’t “newsworthy.”

          With “renewable” stupidity, when a hurricane occurs, you lose NOT just transmission and distribution lines, but the power generation infrastructure ITSELF. Makes for much longer “recovery” times, and much more misery, suffering and death. Of course, this (secretly) pleases the “greens.”

          • “Of course, this (secretly) pleases the “greens.””

            Because they love one-use-throw-away stuff?

      • DC-san:

        It looks like 38,000,000 bottles of water were left in the open and have become contaminated with bacteria..

        The US provided all the food, water, medical equipment, medicine, heavy machunery, technical expertise, etc, to addresss post hurricane relief, but the PR governemnt completely dropped the ball and blame Trump….

        Disgusting.

      • Actually is was almost 20,000 PALLETS of water, nearly 20,000 bottles.
        And this was after several parking lots full of donated supplies was found abandoned, many with doors open and the contents destroyed.
        Everything from clothing, to food and water, and even items such as batteries.
        And all of this as the Mayor of San Juan toured the US blaming it all on Trump.

      • They dare President Trump to micromanage a crisis in some US state or territory, but then they would claim that it’s “meddling” and scream in-peach.

    • This morning a FEMA official being interviewed on CBS was explaining how the real realtionship works. He said “disaster is managed locally with support of FEMA” at which point he was abruptly cut off from further comment. All of us who have been through this before KNOW that you need to be able to take care of yourself for the first 5 fays or so then local governments start to resupply areas with the support of State and Federal agencies. We all certainly appreciate that support but the responsibility falls on each of us to take care of ourselves and our neighbors.

      • “This morning a FEMA official being interviewed on CBS was explaining how the real realtionship works. He said “disaster is managed locally with support of FEMA”

        And that was the problem in Puerto Rico, the local politicians dropped the ball in many cases.

        And now some of those local Puerto Rico politicians who dropped the ball are on CNN critisizing Trump and saying it was all Trump’s fault.

        You can bet the farm that the Left and the Leftwing Media are going to criticize Trump for everything he does whether he deserves it or not. They are going to characterize everything in the worst light possible, as they have been doing since Trump became a threat to socialism and a threat to their rule.

        The Left will stop at nothing. Their morals go out the window when it comes to Trump.

        Look at Senator Diane Finestein’s attempt this last week to smear Kavanaugh with an incident that supposedly had Kavanaugh locking a female classmate in a room.

        She wasn’t in there long, according to the NYT, and Kavanaugh wasn’t in there with her (and this is all assuming that any of this is true) but Finestein made a big deal of it, insinuating that Kavanaugh has something to hide and says she is referring it to the FBI for investigation.

        Of course, this is just a smear. Finestein didn’t question Kavanaugh about the incident when she met with him even though she has known about it since at least July. She only raises the issue now to cast asperions on Kavanagh before his confirmation vote takes place, since any investigation is months away. Finestein lost the last bit of respect I had for her with this low blow. A pathetic demonstration of a lack of character.

  5. we have no cyclone but are warned of 90 to 100k winds coming overnight/early morning sat..if we got rain too ..hmm gotta be some msm droid willing to scream co2 dunnit you reckon?
    lol

    first really nice day in ages reached 22c or a tad more , change will drop it back to 14c;-( and snow to 600metres
    sth west Vic Aus

    • A better question might be, if global warming made Florence such an unprecedented Cat 4 monster, is it also responsible for it weakening before landfall to Cat2/1 range? What is AGW sauce for the goose is AGW sauce for the gander.

    • No, Trump gets blamed for making it all about himself.

      The Left and the Leftwing Media attacked Trump in the past for the number of deaths that occurred in Puerto Rico last year, so later Trump comes out with a tweet or two trying to defend his handling of the hurricanes in Puerto Rico, and the Left says Trump is trying to make it all about himself.

      One thing about the Left and the Leftwing Media: They are predictable. Listen to a story and imagine interpreting it in the worst light possible for Trump, and that’s exactly the kind of reporting you get.

      Never take a story from the Leftwing News Media at face value. Especially if it is a smear of Trump. Give the story a few days, and then the truth will usually come out. Not from the Leftwing News Media but from the Rigtwing News Media and conservatives.

      The Leftwing News Media only tells you one side of the story: The Worst Side.

    • Just like I said to a (sadly deluded) sibling who attempted to argue the hurricanes as evidence of human-induced climate catastrophe BS – we just ended (prior to that busy 2017 hurricane season) the longest period on record without a single major hurricane hitting the U.S. – so if “climate change” is to be blamed for the 2017 hurricane season, it should be equally credited with all those GOOD seasons which preceded it.

      The argument quickly concluded with the “you’re not going to change my mind” LA LA LA mentality after that exchange.

  6. Over the weekend I came upon a lovely cartoon (graffiti style) on the side of an old hippy’s bus.
    Sod’s Law says I didn’t have a camera.

    It was a rework on the Evolution of Man- from sea-dwelling bug to small fish, large fish, something with legs all getting bigger and bigger as you ‘read’ from left-to-right. Then it crawls out of the sea.
    Then the classic ‘monkey’ bit – all-fours, crouching, tools, standing up ever more erect until the 2nd from last ‘frame’ was Modern Man. All this done ‘side-ways’ on as per the classic evolution ‘image’

    Final frame was of a miniature Telly Tubby, full frontal, more ‘attitude’ than a drunken Chav, and, a perfectly circular & empty head.

    Someone, apart from me, has noticed the effects of eating carbs & refined sugar.

  7. “It’s a mild sunny day without a cloud in the sky.”
    “It’s worse than we thought!”
    “It’s the clymut chenj what done it!”
    “We’re all gonna die…”
    “””AND IT’S ALL TRUMP’S FAULT!!1111!1″””

  8. And the major hurricane drought continues!!
    (Which is a very good thing!)

    So much for the “It’s going to intensify near shore” claims.

  9. That cartoon was true in the past, but there is definitely a step three now: blame it on conservative politicians, skeptics, or anyone else who doesn’t kneel at the altar of AGW.

  10. It is now 10:15am Eastern Time, and the hurricane is just now making landfall. I’m calling it a hurricane, because the NWS NHC says it is a hurricane. But I am only finding ground wind speeds of 61mph sustained at the most affected locations, like Morehead City, NC. What gives? Methinks the NWS is overstating the power of this storm by a great deal. Even over water, I can’t find any reporting of >74mph winds, the dividing line between hurricane and tropical storm.

  11. Well, we don’t have Louella Parsons racking up tabloid time while ratting out Hollywood’s shenanigans, so ya gotta give the tabloids something! They really aren’t news resources any more. They are less reliable as information sources than the astrology column in your local news rag.

    No matter what it is, it is (pick one): unprecedented; dangerously high; excessively high; never before whatever; incredibly or over-the-top speeds. etc., or you can just make up your own hyperbole to top off what The They offer you, and make sure that you use a grossly exaggerated vocabulary, while you’re at it.

    While they are ridiculous, they holler “WOLF!!” so loudly and so often that they are being tuned out, because there is no wolf.

  12. Yesterday during Don Lemon’s program, a CNN male reporter was drenched, with no hat or protection as if his being drenched was a warranty of severe weather… LOL
    Another report by a woman this time showed some transformers lighting up the night… well nothing special with a wind storm while a wind gust destabilized this 6 ft tall woman.
    That was terrifying.

    • If that reporter was the same one we saw here in Australia, he was allegedly standing out in the drenching rain, while he was holding his microphone in his hand but not protecting it from the rain. Unusual, a completely waterproof mike?

  13. A few days ago, I was watching hurricane coverage on The Weather Channel, when they were predicting that Hurricane Florence “may” reach category 5. I may be mistaken, but I thought these TWC reporter were “drooling”. IMHO, if they can’t make a weather event seem to be more severe than it actually is, they’re not doing their jobs.

  14. I note that there is still little or nothing in the US MSM about Super-Typhoon Mangkhut which is twice the size of Hurricane Florence and which threatens the lives and property of far more people. The Philippines is about to be hit by the 15th major storm this year with the south coast of China next in line.

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