Google video leak proves they are evil after all

We’ve talked before about how Google is actively suppressing climate skeptics, including yours truly.

The business motto for Google used to be:“Don’t be evil.”, seen below as archived by the Wayback Machine on April 21, 2018:

“Don’t be evil.” Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But “Don’t be evil” is much more than that. Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it’s also about doing the right thing more generally – following the law, acting honorably, and treating co-workers with courtesy and respect.

“Don’t be evil.” Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But “Don’t be evil” is much more than that. Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it’s also about doing the right thing more generally – following the law, acting honorably, and treating co-workers with courtesy and respect.

The Google Code of Conduct is one of the ways we put “Don’t be evil” into practice. It’s built around the recognition that everything we do in connection with our work at Google will be, and should be, measured against the highest possible standards of ethical business conduct. We set the bar that high for practical as well as aspirational reasons: Our commitment to the highest standards helps us hire great people, build great products, and attract loyal users. Trust and mutual respect among employees and users are the foundation of our success, and they are something we need to earn every day.

Then, in a stunning turnaround, they removed the phrase from their website, giving themselves a license to follow the dark side.

By now you may have heard about the in-house “private” Google video (created right after the 2016 presidential election) leaked to Breitbart. It was never intended that the public see it. Fortunately, we have. After Trump won the election the video shows the Google management team doing group hugs, tears, and wailing about how Trump won and how Hillary was wronged.

It’s quite revealing. In the video we have the Chief Executive Officer, the Chief Financial Officer, two Vice Presidents and the two men who founded Google in 1998; Sergey Brin and Larry Page.

In this leaked video from 2016, we can see Google leadership’s dismay over the results of the US election and hear their discussing their conspiracy to provide “in-kind” political efforts to one party to attempt to sway the outcome.

The opinions expressed in that video were in my opinion, outrageous. Basically the Google execs saw American voters who voted for Trump as irrational, xenophobic, lazy, and stupid. Brin suggests that Trump voters were acting out of “boredom”, which he says has in the past have been one of the factors giving rise to fascism and communism.

Google has since issued a rebuttal saying this was just some employees and executives expressing their own personal opinion, saying “For 20 years, everyone at Google has been able to freely express their opinions at these meetings

In their rebuttal, Google claims that nothing those executives said in that video suggests any political bias in their products.

I don’t buy it, not one bit.

The Google CFO in that video, Ruth Porat, is a perfect example  She gets highly emotional, to the point of tears and talks about the moment she realized the election was “…going the wrong way”, and then the first moment she realized “WE were going to lose. It was like a “ton of bricks”.

Later in the video, the Google co-founder, Sergey Brin, asks what they can do to ensure a “better quality of governance and decision-making.”

Newsflash: Google HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOVERNMENT DECISION-MAKING. For Brin to suggest they need ensure a “better quality” is a tacit admission of their intent to bias in a way they see fit.

Here’s excerpts from the Breitbart story:


THE GOOGLE TAPE: Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin ‘Deeply Offended’ by Trump’s Election

Allum Bokhari, Breitbart

Sergey Brin, co-founder of one of the most influential companies in the world:

““As an immigrant and a refugee, I certainly find this election deeply offensive, and I know many of you do too.”

Walker says that Google should fight to ensure the populist movement – not just in the U.S. but around the world – is merely a “blip” and a “hiccup” in a historical arc that “bends toward progress.”

CEO Sundar Pichai states that the company will develop machine learning and A.I. to combat what an employee described as “misinformation” shared by “low-information voters.”


Here’s another story, from the Powerline Blog

Powerline: It’s Official, Google Is a Democratic Party Front

All of the speakers express grief over Donald Trump’s election. All of the speakers assume that every Google employee is a Democrat and is stunned and horrified that Hillary Clinton–the worst and most corrupt presidential candidate in modern history–lost. There is much discussion about what Google can do to reverse the benighted world-wide tide exemplified by Brexit and Trump’s election. The insane doctrine of “white privilege” rears its head.

You really have to see it to believe it. Having suffered through the hour-long cri de cœur–OK, to be fair, there is a huge element of schadenfreude, too, and you will relish much of it–you probably will have several reactions:

1) These people may have certain valuable technical skills, but they aren’t very bright and are unusually lacking in self-awareness.

2) It is remarkable that they can achieve such an extraordinary monoculture in an organization with thousands of employees. It must require vigorous enforcement of right-think.

3) It is easy to see how these uniformly left-wing robots/people seamlessly transitioned into Resisting the duly elected Trump administration.


The video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRf9UxsM-NE

 


So, what can you do?

Dump Google. Dump Gmail and searching via Google

When searching, I recommend DuckDuckGo, and Mojeek. Of the two, Mojeek is the better tool in my opinion, becuase it doesn’t make use of a Google oriented indexing library.

UPDATE:

An email obtained exclusively by ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’ reveals that a senior Google employee deployed the company’s resources to increase voter turnout in ways she believed would help Clinton win the election.

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Latitude
September 13, 2018 2:33 pm

“You Americans are so gullible! We don’t have to invade you! We will destroy you from within without firing a shot! We will bury you by the billions! We spoon feed you socialism until your Communists and don’t even know it! We assist your elected leaders in giving you small doses of Socialism until you suddenly awake to find you have Communism. the day will come when your grandchildren will live under communism”

Honest liberty
Reply to  Latitude
September 13, 2018 5:05 pm

Reminds me of the elders… Oh wait.. That’s just tin foil

rocketscientist
Reply to  Latitude
September 13, 2018 6:16 pm

“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
Abraham Lincoln

Greg
Reply to  rocketscientist
September 14, 2018 12:58 am

I love the way Brin says he finds the election “offensive”. How can you be offended by an election. It’s like being “offended” by the climate.

Clearly if someone is “offended” , then the election itself can be declared a hate crime and the result can be nullified.

Maybe if they declare 0.7 deg C of “anomalously” warm temperatures offensive, that can be made to go away too. It’s worth a try !!

dayhay
Reply to  Greg
September 14, 2018 9:35 am

Of course, Brin did not comment on Obama freeing up $160 billion for his buddies in Iran. Complete with $400 million non USA non traceable cash delivered in the dead of night. Talk about offended….. Does anyone think he did this without a commission payment? I will bet he has a billion $ in hidden accounts.

Reply to  rocketscientist
September 14, 2018 2:00 am

The irony there is Russia parked its Navy at NY and SF with clear warning to Britain sand France to stand down while the civil war raged. The only country to recognize the CSA was Britain, the consulate was still there not long ago. Today the very same Britain run the Dodgy Dossier of MI6’s Steele and the entire Skripal theater to run Trump out of office.
True, rabid Dems and some GOP cheer it on, so Lincoln’s words still ring alarms.

MarkW
Reply to  bonbon
September 14, 2018 7:19 am

For Britain it was purely an economic decision.
British mills needed southern cotton, which politicians in the US north were trying to keep for themselves.
British industry wanted to sell industrial equipment to the South, something northern politicians had been trying to prevent.

jhuddles
Reply to  bonbon
September 14, 2018 7:52 am

I call bull on this – fake news a hundred a fifty years late…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_and_the_American_Civil_War

Tom O
Reply to  Latitude
September 14, 2018 6:04 am

Join the discussion…Duhhhh. And you aren’t too bright, either.

Reply to  Latitude
September 14, 2018 7:47 pm
Reply to  Latitude
September 15, 2018 5:14 am

My expertise is energy, and I will compare my track record with anyone. What matters most is that Trump gets energy right, unlike several previous American administrations, who got it entirely wrong.

Cheap, abundant, reliable energy is the lifeblood of society – it IS that simple. If you mess up energy enough, you and your family will just freeze or starve.

Fossil fuels comprise 85% of global primary energy, the rest is almost all nuclear and hydro. Green energy fails due to high cost and intermittency. Grid-connected wind and solar power would be zero, except for tens of trillions of dollars in wasted subsidies.

Compare Trump’s policies with Obama’s or Hillary’s – the USA was on a road to disaster, and Trump is pulling it back from the brink.

In politics as in life, you don’t always get to choose between good and bad – you get what you get, with all its imperfections. Most people cannot understand that, and chose to vilify Trump because of peripheral, irrelevant issues. When you consider your alternative – Hillary – American did not just dodge a bullet – you dodged a nuke.

September 13, 2018 2:34 pm

Frequently, while trying to give someone a link, I have had trouble finding a document on the Internet while using a direct cut and paste from a previously downloaded copy, while using Google. Other search engines show the document on the first page. Also seems like putting a + in front of a keyword no longer finds that topic.
How does Google explain that?

ScienceABC123
Reply to  UzUrBrain
September 13, 2018 3:26 pm

That custom search engine Google is deploying for China is their standard search engine. Google is just giving the Chinese government the ability to add additional words the search engine is told to ignore.

michael hart
Reply to  ScienceABC123
September 14, 2018 4:55 am

Yes, it seems unlikely that Google would develop a set of tools for the Chinese Government to manipulate search and yet not use those same tools for their own ends.

Reply to  ScienceABC123
September 14, 2018 7:48 pm
czechlist
September 13, 2018 2:35 pm

I wonder how many “Googlers” are H1B ?

Louis Hunt
Reply to  czechlist
September 13, 2018 3:07 pm

Yes, how many non-citizens at Google have been working to influence our elections? If it is wrong for Russians to involve themselves in our elections, why isn’t it wrong for other foreigners to do so? Democrats invited illegal aliens to campaign with them and speak at their rallies. Can you imagine how they would react if Republicans invited Russian nationals to do the same? It’s a clear double standard. Democrats will tell you that foreign nationals that worked to help elect Hillary Clinton were a benefit to our democracy. But those who worked to elect Trump were undermining our democracy. See how it works?

Latitude
Reply to  Louis Hunt
September 13, 2018 3:52 pm

This whole thing started because Clinton and the democrats were trying to work with Russia to get Hillary elected….when it came out, Obama said to ignore it, it was nothing…and stopped the investigation into it

AWG
Reply to  Louis Hunt
September 13, 2018 6:47 pm

I was working at a company where the H1Bs, particularly from India, were loud and proud, self-proclaimed “Socialists”. Each and every one of them dreams of the day they will be granted citizenship so that they can vote for Socialism. When asked why they came to the US rather than stay in relatively socialist India, or seek opportunities in true socialist countries, they claimed that the US was a better place to live. It never occurred to them why. but whatever it is, it must be replaced with the ideology of Cuba, Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

richard verney
Reply to  AWG
September 14, 2018 3:19 am

This is a problem with most migrants the world over. They leave their own country because they do not like it, and because it fails to give them the support and opportunities they seek, they come to a new country which they like more because it gives them the stuff that they cannot have in their original country, and then they try to change the new country into the sh1thole that they left, ny seeking to get the new country to adopt the same backward leaning laws, customs, practices and procedures.

Michael C
Reply to  richard verney
September 14, 2018 7:06 am

In my experience most immigrants are usually happy with America. They have a different mind set and culture but they try their best to fit in and are grateful for the opportunity to be here. It is only when they are separated from the melting pot and live among other immigrants from their homeland that they don’t truly become Americans. In my opinion the single best way to prevent radicalization is to make them feel welcome and show them a better way. And no, I’m not a Democrat or an immigrant, I’m just a student of history.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Michael C
September 14, 2018 9:50 am

Michael C,
While that is a nice notion, the problem is that today the idea of immigrants assimilating into our culture is considered racist. Assimilation is equated to stripping them of their cultural identity, so we must accept their culture and make accommodations for them – forever.

Reply to  Michael C
September 14, 2018 11:43 am

It’s really the illegal ones that went this way. How more welcoming of these folks can you get? I’m afraid history isnt a useful source for this.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Louis Hunt
September 14, 2018 8:58 pm

That’s like saying someone asking to take your picture in front of the White House is the same as someone using a drone to film you in your bedroom.

“Democrats will tell you that foreign nationals that worked to help elect Hillary Clinton were a benefit to our democracy. But those who worked to elect Trump were undermining our democracy.”

So are you saying immigrants shouldn’t participate in the election process, or it’s OK for foreign governments to use criminal means to get their favorite in office? Individuals have something to gain if they think a candidate supports a certain immigration policy. Did Russia know they had something to gain by getting Trump elected?

Reg Nelson
Reply to  czechlist
September 14, 2018 9:32 am

It’s mentioned in the video. Google has 10,000 H1B employees.

commieBob
September 13, 2018 2:38 pm

I have some hope that the Democrat party will clue in. Here’s a link to a conversation between Jordan Peterson and Gregg Hurwitz, a Democrat strategist. Hurwitz at least gets the point that it is counterproductive to trash the half of the population that voted for President Trump.

The question should not be, how did the Republicans cheat their way into the White House? The question should be, what did the Democrats do wrong? The answer to that question is very long indeed. It includes the arrogance of the Democrat elite, including especially the folks at Google.

ScienceABC123
Reply to  commieBob
September 13, 2018 3:31 pm

The Democrat party leadership knows they cheated in 2016. They believe their loss means the Republicans cheated more. So no, they will not “clue in.”

Reply to  ScienceABC123
September 13, 2018 3:54 pm

Psychological projection is rife among Dems to a pathological degree.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  commieBob
September 13, 2018 4:07 pm

I frankly hope they never get a clue. Talk about “idiot child[ren]” and machine guns! I don’t want them in any position to grab the tiller again.

Derg
Reply to  commieBob
September 13, 2018 4:08 pm

what did the Democrats do wrong?

Nominate Hillary

Honest liberty
Reply to  Derg
September 13, 2018 5:06 pm

Vote Democrat

Hugs
Reply to  Derg
September 13, 2018 10:18 pm

Absolutely. They must have had somebody who’d just win the election against Trump.

Now they’re trying to sell the idea Uranium-selling Clinton was replaced with America-First Trump by Putin.

I wonder how much social media has polarized thinking? Googke puts desmogblog in the top five and regard that shitsmear as a valuable hit that ‘does good’.

John Meget
Reply to  Derg
September 14, 2018 3:56 am

Actually, Hillary would have beat all Republicans other than Trump. They would have played by the Marquess of Queensberry rules — like McCain and Dole did — and she would have swamped them.

John Endicott
Reply to  John Meget
September 14, 2018 6:29 am

Even then, it would have been a squeaker, Hillary is not well liked (despite what the loony left thinks). All it would have taken is a Republican that came across as even half-way likeable to put in doubt her “inevitable coronation” regardless of what dirty tricks Hillary and here team would employ. Bottom line, even the “play nice” candidates would have had a shot at beating Hillary (despite what the biases polls may have claimed, we saw how accurate such polls are) because Hillary was that bad of a candidate

Sommer
Reply to  Derg
September 14, 2018 2:19 pm

I’m looking forward to seeing the work of Charles Ortel, who is exposing the Clinton Charitable Fund tax fraud on ‘Crowdsource the Truth’ with Jason Goodman, become common knowledge. There is a deadline for filing taxes that is going to reveal this fraud in the very near future. There are serious legal ramifications for this fraud. The Clinton’s ‘Climate Action Plan’ was never legal. This might be of interest to WUWT readers around the world. I wonder what the folks at Google will have to say about it.
I would provide a link but lately, for some reason, copying and pasting the link does not seem to be working. Perhaps ‘the powers that be’ do not want people to know what Charles Ortel has been exposing.

Jim G.
Reply to  commieBob
September 13, 2018 9:26 pm

What did they do wrong?
They promised Hillary if that she step back and let Obama take the nomination in 2008, she would have the nomination in 2016.

The problem was. a more likeable and (in my opinion) forthright person than Hillary was leading the party, Bernie Sanders. And so Bernie had to go. The DNC, Hillary, superdelegates and the media colluded to ensure her nomination. Ironically, they had no clue that there were people on the Democrat side of the aisle that didn’t like her either.

So in the end, they simply picked the wrong horse.

The only thing I believe about Bernie is that he is a Marxist socialist/communist whose policies have caused the world a lot of anguish. That said, I do believe that if he had won the nomination, the election would probably have gone in his direction over Trump. There were an awful lot of millenials and gen-x/gen-y ‘ers that thought he was the next best thing. Was there anything that Bernie didn’t promise to give them?

Man am I glad that we dodged that bullet too!

Tom O
Reply to  commieBob
September 14, 2018 6:12 am

Oddly enough, there is a “sense” of the Republicans cheated there way into the Whitehouse in your comment. Somehow, you seem to have forgotten that the Republicans really didn’t campaign for Trump, Trump campaigned for himself. The People elected Trump, they didn’t elect the Republican party, though Trump’s coattails helped a lot of those into Congress that have fought with him ever since. And most of these posts all ‘have presumed that Putin and company elected Trump, that the Russians really influenced the election. and in this case, Trump has the right saying – “so sad.” If our elections are so “loose” that they can be hacked, then we are the least technological country on the planet, and deserve to be the laughing stock that a lot of posters like to make us.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom O
September 14, 2018 6:34 am

Indeed Tom, the Republican establishment ran away from Trump at every opportunity during the election. Each “trump-slaying” so-called news story that the left-wing media pedaled was greeted by establishment Republicans castigating Trump and putting as much distance as they could between Trump and themselves. And yet Trump managed to win the necessary votes despite that lack of support.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  commieBob
September 15, 2018 2:53 pm

commieBob,

You didn’t watch the video, evidently. The speakers repeatedly talked about it being a fair democratic election. They said that employees should respect those with different views. They talked about conservatives feeling disenfranchised, and about wanting to “build bridges” of discussion and understanding.

One speaker talked about the fact that it wasn’t the blue collar workers that got Trump elected; the skew toward Republicans was more associated with the wealthy. This doesn’t sound like arrogance to me.

They talked a lot about values. A lot! They didn’t complain about conservative values; they didn’t even talk much about Trump. They emphasized what they can to better, to make the world a better place. Decreasing poverty through access to information. Education, including donation of laptops. And yes, improving governance and decision-making (which is not the same as government decision-making, and Anthony asserts) – but this was in general, not just about the U.S. And it’s about providing access to information, not about determining what information gets out – though part of it is curbing propagation of misinformation, including that spread by foreign governments.

I interpreted the video very differently from the way Anthony did. I think it’s extremely offensive say it proves Google is “evil.” It’s an hour long, and few people are going to watch the whole thing; they will take others’ word for what’s in it.

Those who provide biased information have no justification for whining about others providing biased information.

Perpetuating prejudice by accusing others of prejudice is going to achieve nothing but increased misunderstanding and hatred. We are all prejudiced. Get over it and stop playing the victim. Do something constructive if you want change.

Jacob Frank
Reply to  Kristi Silber
September 16, 2018 10:14 am

Wow, that is some first class grade A google shilling, Bravo sir you are very talented and a testament of virtue to shilling everywhere. Too bad you practice your craft for pure evil but either way very admirable skill.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Jacob Frank
September 17, 2018 4:37 pm

Jacob,

That’s ridiculous. All I did was watch the video and comment on what I heard. Someone had to provide an alternative viewpoint to “the video proves they’re evil.”

u.k.(us)
September 13, 2018 2:40 pm

Try horse racing, you’ll get used to losing.
Maybe even learn to lose gracefully, and hopefully not taunt the losers when you win.
(At least not in mixed company).

Tom O
Reply to  u.k.(us)
September 14, 2018 6:13 am

Interesting comment. Doesn’t make any sense, but interesting, nonetheless.

Adam
September 13, 2018 2:42 pm

As a man who has own several businesses I can tell you that mottos and mission statements and the like are usually where the board feels the most insecure. So for instance a company that doesn’t feel like they’re and authority will say “The experts in widget making” to try to cover for their insecurity.

“Don’t be evil” is a motto only an evil company can come up with. It wouldn’t occur to anyone else that being evil is a possibility or something they may be accused of.

Reply to  Adam
September 13, 2018 3:56 pm

Excellent point. A Freudian slip, if there ever was one.

Ian Hawthorn
Reply to  Adam
September 13, 2018 6:16 pm

Back in the day I thought of it more as a pointed dig at Microsoft.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Ian Hawthorn
September 13, 2018 7:05 pm

Back then MSFT was known informally as The Evil Empire”; that what Google’s slogan was an allusion to.
Google itself could be called “the oval umpire,” assuming “oval” stands for uneven.

Marque2
Reply to  Roger Knights
September 15, 2018 9:14 am

I remember those days. Oddly today Microsoft wouldn’t even make it top 4 in evilness – Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook are way ahead. Microsoft has become fairly tame – and therefore the company I prefer to do business with.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Adam
September 13, 2018 8:03 pm

“Evil” is a matter of perspective. The suicide bomber doesn’t think he’s evil. Google employees don’t think they’re evil when they try to influence an election or political procedures.

Kris
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 13, 2018 11:32 pm

Most people know innately if an act is evil or not.

The justification for it is where the lines blur.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Adam
September 13, 2018 9:36 pm

I guess you must hate medical doctors.

michael hart
Reply to  simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 5:05 am

I’ve got news for you: medical doctors don’t actually swear a hippocratic oath.

simple-touriste
Reply to  michael hart
September 14, 2018 4:34 pm

They swear what now? That they’ll mindlessly apply the instructions of the State/Board/Random medical association and ignore the will of the patients and despise the skeptics?

Reply to  Adam
September 14, 2018 1:47 am

The best joke I have heard about mission statements was a real life experience of a colleague who went for an interview for a senior position with a new company. He was asked by a typically intensively serious female director what the company’s mission statement should be. He replied, “I didn’t realise you’re going to the moon!” Needless to say this director was not pleased, particularly as her colleagues were laughing loudly. He didn’t get the job, but from what he saw he didn’t want it !

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  Adam
September 14, 2018 3:05 am

So true, the reality is the opposite of the motherhood statements.

Years ago, I went for a job interview with a government department. While I sat in the waiting area I noticed that the department had posters everywhere on the internal walls, doors, windows, hand outs on the coffee tables, etc, about their values:

working together.
making it happen.
respecting other people.
serving the community, and.
acting with integrity.

I was struck by a similar thought to the one Adam has expressed, the fact they have those posters up indicates they have serious problems in those areas.

Needless to say, I didn’t get the job. By chance, sometime later I found out that the job had been reserved for some lame-duck relative of one of the executives and the whole recruitment process had been a sham. I was a patsy, in other words.

But everything is ok because they had the posters.

jaymam
September 13, 2018 2:46 pm

11:32 “Google is a trusted source of information for people around the world.”
No you aren’t. I know Google is reading this. We do not trust Google, for many reasons.

jaymam
Reply to  jaymam
September 13, 2018 3:02 pm

25:10 “How can Google reduce the impact of the “echo chamber” and access to diverse viewpoints across the population”?

Reply to  jaymam
September 13, 2018 3:20 pm

Maybe the could reduce the impact of the “echo chamber” by stepping out of their echo chamber.

ScienceABC123
Reply to  jaymam
September 13, 2018 3:34 pm

I believe Google has already decided to silence and/or fire anyone who doesn’t support their view.

MarkW
Reply to  ScienceABC123
September 13, 2018 3:59 pm

If they do, that will just be par for the course for Silicon Valley.

John Endicott
Reply to  jaymam
September 14, 2018 6:39 am

Google’s solution: Stamp out diverse viewpoints (that don’t agree with Google’s viewpoint) so only their “echo chamber” can be heard.

Reply to  jaymam
September 14, 2018 8:52 am

It may be because I am a Nuclear Engineer and have always worked in that area of engineering, but the thing that I have observed again and again was that the majority of the personnel working in the areas of engineering associated with Nuclear Power, Power Generation, and design of power plants were conservative in nature. Had no idea if Dem or Rep, and never asked. My take on this difference was that these engineering fields required the more difficult courses in advanced math, physics, chemistry, thermodynamics and other engineering related courses. I could easily determine if someone I met and associated with in computer science classes and other non engineering courses were in an engineering program (most of the time.) It was as if they had a different thought process. Often in study groups or when trying to help one of these classmates it seemed as if they had a mental block preventing them from understanding what seemed like an obvious concept or theory to me. My tour of duty in the Navy as an Instructor helped me immensely in knowing the different ways to get through to people with this mindset.
If Google is truly trying to achieve diversity in their work place with the thought in mind to make and deliver a better product, they are excluding a large section of the population from their NON-Diverse “echo chamber. “

John Endicott
Reply to  UzUrBrain
September 14, 2018 10:00 am

Could also be that lefty/greens hate (and fear) nuclear with a passion so are not too likely to take a job working in said industry even if they somehow got a degree in something other than intersectional feminism.

Mike
Reply to  UzUrBrain
September 14, 2018 6:54 pm

“Often in study groups or when trying to help one of these classmates it seemed as if they had a mental block preventing them from understanding what seemed like an obvious concept or theory to me.”

Do you work for Google?

Hugs
Reply to  jaymam
September 13, 2018 10:29 pm

Google does give access to stuff. But I’ve seen how sometimes the relevant keywords lead to politically chosen sites, leading to suspicion that goohle is trying to debunk far-right myths, but lets green and far-left myths go unpunished. So I use it, but never think I would trust my worldview on its hits.

BallBounces
September 13, 2018 2:46 pm

I assumed “governance” had to do with their own business operations, not guvmint.

Reply to  BallBounces
September 13, 2018 4:15 pm

In context it clearly refers to government.

marque2
September 13, 2018 2:52 pm

What is a good substitute for gmail? I already use duckduckgo instead of google for most of my searches.

Reply to  marque2
September 13, 2018 5:58 pm

Seen on another WUWT post about Google I forget where):
https://impossiblehq.com/complete-guide-leaving-google/

“The Best Alternatives To Gmail:

Hush Mail – Hushmail is free email service with privacy and no ads. I haven’t used this personally but it’s a good option for the privacy-conscious.
Fastmail – Fastmail.FM is a paid alternative that’s super fast, with a very clean interface. I’m moving all my hosted email here.
Proton Mail – Secure email based in Switzerland.”

EdB
Reply to  leafwalker
September 13, 2018 6:59 pm

What is the point if your friends use gmail? Google will still read your mail.

Hugs
Reply to  EdB
September 13, 2018 10:32 pm

Indeed. But your friends have nothing to hide, so it’s OK? /sarc

John Endicott
Reply to  Hugs
September 14, 2018 6:41 am

And if you have something to hide, don’t send you gmail using friends an email about it. 😉

Paul Penrose
Reply to  leafwalker
September 14, 2018 9:57 am

I have heard good things about Proton Mail. I’m considering switching to it.

Dave Day
Reply to  marque2
September 14, 2018 12:32 pm

fastmail.com

Dave

September 13, 2018 2:52 pm

So to these people it is not OK to exclude other people because of race, sexual orientation, or gender, but it is OK to exclude them because of political orientation. And somehow they feel they are progressive and morally superior. What they are is hugely hypocritical.

Reply to  Javier
September 13, 2018 4:03 pm

Not exactly in their defense, but as a useful point of understanding, much of the psychological process involved in hypocrisy and projecting the Shadow on others is unconscious. Only some form of Jungian analysis can uncover the Evil within. In severe cases, classical Freudian psychoanalysis is useful. If the therapist is not a Democrat, I suspect the odds of success are enhanced somewhat.

WXcycles
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
September 13, 2018 6:22 pm

Come on, keep it simple stupid and respond to real stuff. People have done it for thousands of years, no need to resort to the mumbo-jumbo.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  WXcycles
September 13, 2018 6:48 pm

WXcycles , put some bandages on your knuckles, they must be sore.

michael

Reply to  Javier
September 13, 2018 8:07 pm

Whomever posted some time back here the link and discussion about Herbert Marcuse and “Repressive Tolerance” – thank you.

It really makes it clear how many in the left feel fully justified in viewing the world through their own lens and how they can utterly refuse to see any point of view but their own. I found it inconceivable that people could hold these thoughts, that they could close their eyes so tightly and reject things so fiercely .. I presumed any rational person would appreciate knowledge and welcome the opportunity to replace myths with facts .. but reading Marcuse’s piece makes it clear i was completely wrong.

I guess Google do the same, begin with the idea that as self-identified intelligent people they cannot be wrong and their infallibility is beyond question. With this freedom established anything they presume correct must be correct therefore everyone else is wrong. Any presumption they make being correct, it’s a tiny step for them to conclude the ends justifies the means to achieving their goals – if they must lie, cheat, steal or kill to bring their truth forward that’s OK because it is entirely righteous.

frightening stuff.

Unfortunately being naturally attracted to big truths, they’re also attracted to big authority and will support authoritarian behavior and leadership and the only thing that can possibly alter their perspective is a savage beating.. Being thoroughly trounced seems the only way they will reflect and reconsider their stance.

Sadly this is a rinse and repeat process as they’ll eventually fall back to the default position that they are right and the revisionism will take place. When their supported heroes are shown to be monsters the revelation will lead them to conclude they weren’t *really* “their guys” and thus must have been “the other guys”. Supported Na Zi socialists become ‘right wing’ guys, the rejoicing crowds who cheered at Pol Pots ascension were ‘tricked’ by a totalitarian.. There’s a disconnect between what they see and know and the reality and the possibility that their judgement could be flawed or their choices misguided is unthinkable, after all, they are intelligent people – they know this.

This is also why they find it so easy to belittle and mistrust others – “I think this and I am intelligent, therefore these who think otherwise are clearly stupid, deluded, wrong or intentionally evil” .. (mental cogs whir) ..”therefore We can do anything we like to Them’..

and it begins again.

Reply to  Karlos51
September 14, 2018 2:16 am

Marcuse of the CCF (Council for Cultural Freedom) and the Frankfurt School whose Adorno penned “The Authoritarian Personality” is the key to the Google theater (quote ) :
“It seems obvious, that the modification of the potentially fascist structure cannot be achieved by psychological means alone. The task is comparable to that of eliminating neurosis, or delinquency, or nationalism [emphasis added] from the world. These are products of the total organization of society and are to be changed only as that society is changed. It is not for the psychologist to say how such changes are to be brought about. The problem is one which requires the efforts of all social scientists. All that we would insist upon is that in the councils or round tables where the problem is considered and action planned the psychologist should have a voice. We believe that the scientific understanding of society must include an understanding of what it does to people, and that it is possible to have social reforms, even broad and sweeping ones, which though desirable in their own right would not necessarily change the structure of the prejudiced personality. For the fascist potential to change, or even to be held in check, there must be an increase in people’s capacity to see themselves and to be themselves. This cannot be achieved by the manipulation of people, however well grounded in modern psychology the devices of manipulation might be…. It is here that psychology may play its most important role. Techniques for overcoming resistance, developed mainly in the field of individual psychotherapy, can be improved and adapted for use with groups and even for use on a mass scale.”

The authors conclude with this most revealing proposition: “We need not suppose that appeal to emotion belongs to those who strive in the direction of fascism, while democratic propaganda must limit itself to reason and restraint. If fear and destructiveness are the major emotional sources of fascism, Eros belongs mainly to democracy.”

Witness applied group therapy and eros on that stage, weeping hugging, consensus.

OK S.
September 13, 2018 2:53 pm

mojeek ???? HOSTED BY THE UK’s GREENEST DATA ???
comment image

Maybe the won’t skew climate news, but it’s a question that needs asking.

Search works pretty good, though.

WXcycles
Reply to  OK S.
September 13, 2018 6:25 pm

If it’s energy-efficient hosting and economical–fine.
If its an ideological statement with warp ‘n spin–not fine.

I set it as default, we’ll see if they’re ‘evil’ (I despise that word, its almost as bad as ‘good’).

Richard Patton
Reply to  OK S.
September 13, 2018 9:41 pm

I saw that too and thought it rather funny. There is no such thing as “green data.” Data is all 1’s and 0’s. (or more technically on’s and off’s)

Henry Galt
Reply to  OK S.
September 14, 2018 4:26 am

It’s an advert. Affiliate link to be precise. I have no problem with either. Big G are the bad guys and have been for some time.

Tom Halla
September 13, 2018 2:53 pm

Google, Facebook, and Twitter are acting as if they wish to provoke a regulatory scheme, with the hope they will be ensconced in their monopoly positions, much like the “regulation” of Ma Bell or the broadcast media.
The rather stealthy attempt to do regulation was the purported “net neutrality” game by Obama’s FCC. Americans old enough (I’m 62) should remember just how the regulation of Ma Bell and broadcast media worked out in practice, with bad expensive service with Ma Bell and the “vast wasteland” with broadcast media.
The Democrats have been the party of government since the 1930’s, and would almost certainly dominate the civil service staff under any regulatory scheme. And there are certainly a few politicians who remember how Lyndon Johnson made (or laundered) his money.
I would rather use ant-trust on the social media companies. Making Google (Alphabet) sell off YouTube and Android as an example.

AWG
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 13, 2018 6:54 pm

Particularly Android, since we all now know that Android is like having the Stasi, KGB and NSA in your pocket. I’m not so thrilled with Apple or Microsoft as my personal blackmailer and government informant either.

tom0mason
September 13, 2018 2:53 pm

Block Google-analytics script!

Hurt Google the better way —
Block Google-analytics scripts from running using script blocking software.
Without Google-analitics the Alphabet’s advertising machine falls down.

Block Google-analytics!

EdB
Reply to  tom0mason
September 13, 2018 7:10 pm

How?

tom0mason
Reply to  EdB
September 13, 2018 9:08 pm

In Chrome or Chromium you can’t as they are Google products. However Google’s own site seems to say it can be done https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/script-blocker-for-chrome/aakchmnmjneadkakfihibdbepehaflop
On Firefox based browsers there are few like NoScript and Ghostery.
What add-ons there are for IE I don’t know as I keep well away from M$ products but this site say it can be done https://www.lifewire.com/disable-active-scripting-in-ie-446357.
Apple’s Safari browser has https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/42143/js-blocker and a few others.

Phone and tablet browsers are an unknown to me and I presume anything based on Alphabet’s Android OS will not block google’s scripts. Hopefully one day Sailfish OS (https://blog.jolla.com/nurmonjoki/) will get their act together and offer a real alternative.

As I used Linux and have rarely use the other OSs I can not vouch for their effectiveness. What I can say is that many site get upset by script blockers but I feel that such places do not deserve my attention as they have made more than enough money from attempting to reselling my personal data to third parties anyway. (so wattsupwiththat stop protesting at me — the answer is no until the ads are much less intrusive!)

Reply to  EdB
September 13, 2018 9:48 pm

on Windows I add any site I dislike to my HOSTS file, to make it convenient I’ve a shortcut on my desktop
c:/windows/system32/drivers/etc/
just add entries by poppipng in new lines like this:
127.0.0.1 alpha.collectivads.com

from then on Windows tries to load alpha.collectivads.com by looking at 127.0.0.1 .. but there ain’t nothing there! Poor collectiveads.

Reply to  Karlos51
September 14, 2018 7:39 am

I use the hosts file from below. Also add several of my own entries to the end of it. Works in Linux too:
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts2.htm

Reply to  EdB
September 14, 2018 1:20 am

sailboarder

I was pointed to this https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php

Evidently a browser based on Chromium (I’m not sure if that’s a developers version of Chrome) with all the privacy issues stripped out.

I have tried it and it seems OK but I use Opera, no idea how private it is but it’s a nice browser to use.

Reply to  HotScot
September 14, 2018 2:27 am

+100 for Opera 🙂

Reply to  Karlos51
September 14, 2018 4:38 am

Karlos51

I think it’s just you and me using it. Never known anyone else that does. 🙂

John Endicott
Reply to  HotScot
September 14, 2018 6:48 am

I use both Opera and Firefox as my browsers (mainly the later) at home. stuck with M$ and Chrome at work.

marlene
September 13, 2018 2:54 pm

“Video unavailable.”

marlene
Reply to  marlene
September 13, 2018 3:24 pm

OOPS! Nevermind…

September 13, 2018 2:55 pm

So, what can you do?

Dump Google. Dump Gmail and searching via Google

But google get so much better results…

MarkW
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
September 13, 2018 4:06 pm

Are they better if they are filtering out information the company doesn’t want you to see?

AWG
Reply to  MarkW
September 13, 2018 6:58 pm

If I am looking up a place to eat, or some technical thing, google is useful. For anything that can be negatively effected by their Marxist ideology? Most certainly not – unless, of course, I want that worldview. Unfortunately, due to the asymmetrical nature of this cultural warfare, the internet is getting less useful by the day. Everything is now corrupted for the sake of generating clicks or affirming one’s feelings.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
September 14, 2018 6:53 am

Depends on what you are looking for. For most ordinary things, Google does just fine. It’s only subjects that they have an ideological oar in the water that Google’s results get skewed. But it’s best to avoid using Google’s products altogether on principle until they change their evil ways (should such a miracle ever happen).

MarkW
Reply to  John Endicott
September 14, 2018 7:44 am

The problem is that in the world view of the left, everything is political.
It may be just a restaurant to you, but if the owner or manager contributes to a Republican, or makes a post critical of the global warming myth …

marque2
September 13, 2018 2:57 pm

I found it interesting on my phone Google Now suggests news stories based on my interests. About a year ago, all the sites, including this one, disappeared from the recommended articles. Fox news stayed but all my other conservative and liberal pages were replaced with Huffpo, the Root, the Verge, the Atlantic. For climate, I got Ars Technica, and a few other super leftist sites.

About a week ago Trump complained about the Google search bias – Google summarily said it wasn’t happening – and shockingly next day – Townhall, wattsupwiththat, pjmedia, Brietbart are all on my recommended list again, and the others disappeared! Must of been an algorithm glitch that was mysteriously coincidently fixed the day after Trump complained.

Reply to  marque2
September 13, 2018 4:10 pm

If you believe in Google “glitches,” you may believe in fairies, as well.

Tom Halla
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
September 13, 2018 6:15 pm

Remember that programs are written to automate what the author wants to do, so algorithms work as a really stupid version of the programmers, but faster.

John Endicott
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
September 14, 2018 6:55 am

If I had to choose between the two, i’d sooner believe in fairies than Google “glitches”.

Reply to  marque2
September 13, 2018 4:36 pm

This level of bias is usually driven by subjectively curated tables and the algorithm is just searching the tables with massively parallel map reductions.

They probably found and corrected table entries some evil person added because certain sites didn’t fit their political view. While even table updates are subject to code review, whoever reviewed the update probably shared the same politics and/or wasn’t paying close enough attention.

Reply to  marque2
September 13, 2018 4:38 pm

If you believe in Google glitches I have a bridge going cheap…..

Pathway
September 13, 2018 2:59 pm

Resist the BORG.

gnomish
Reply to  Pathway
September 13, 2018 4:43 pm

like this. 🙂

u.k.(us)
Reply to  gnomish
September 13, 2018 5:16 pm

I’m sure it does much better with self driving cars, when the three cars ahead of you are bouncing off each other, and a fully loaded semi is closing from behind.

hunter
Reply to  gnomish
September 13, 2018 6:07 pm

So how would the borg handle 10s if thousands of looping gibberish?

gnomish
Reply to  hunter
September 14, 2018 12:02 am

once upon a time …

when the net was young…
when bill gates assured us that netscape was pursuing an ephemeral fantasy…

there were lots of free web hosts and free emails and the competition to get clients was fierce.
always looking for attractive new features, the freemails began to offer auto-forwarding.

so you set up 3 accounts on 3 of these autoforwarding servers.
you tell # 1 to forward to #2, # 3 and the list of lawyers and media corporations messing with napster.
you tell # 2 to forward to # 1, #3 and the list…
you tell #3 to forward to #1, #2 and the list…
and you compose an email that says something like ‘howbow dah, you cyberphobic relix!’
and you give your g/f the thrrrrrill of clicking send.
the email fission bomber.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050302235403/http://www.hackology.com:80/programs/mbhttpbf/riaa.shtml

ingenuity trumps autoritay any day.

whiten
Reply to  gnomish
September 14, 2018 12:41 am

It is interesting to observe that actual infinite looping of the Alexa and
and Google home.
It can be seen and considered as due to the ability and capability
of the AIs to respond to a feedback loop.
Kinda of a possible path for further learning and expanding,
which if achievable, at some point, may assist these AIs to a gain a
“BORG” status. 🙂

September 13, 2018 3:00 pm

We have got to fight back before it is too late. Facebook and Google are always shadow and outright banning the posts of Climate Realists. My site is routinely blocked in these sites.

The Disrupters get Disrupted; The Hypocrisy of Google Caught on Tape
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/09/12/the-disrupters-get-disrupted-the-hypocrisy-of-google-caught-on-tape/

Anti-Trust; Force Opensource Search Algorithms
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/09/13/anti-trust-force-opensource-search-algorithms/

September 13, 2018 3:02 pm

The video can be seen here:
The Disrupters get Disrupted; The Hypocrisy of Google Caught on Tape
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/09/12/the-disrupters-get-disrupted-the-hypocrisy-of-google-caught-on-tape/

September 13, 2018 3:13 pm

Already dumped Google for DuckDuckGo, but I take your point above and will try Mojeek.

Are there any viable alternatives to YouTube?

Cheers

Roger

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Roger
September 13, 2018 4:12 pm

Yes, but I can’t remember the name. EM Smith did a bit on them at his web site. Go to “The Chiefio” in the links.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Roger
September 13, 2018 7:13 pm

Vimeo, but they’re rather high-end a

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Roger
September 13, 2018 8:12 pm

Someone recommended a peer-to-peer video sharing site, but it was a cesspool.

Tom O
Reply to  Roger
September 14, 2018 6:23 am

There are alternatives to youtube, but that doesn’t put the material that is on youtube on the alternatives. All that would have to be reposted to the alternatives. Problem then becomes at what point does the alternative then get acquired but the owners of youtube? Money talks, morals and ethics always rides in the trunk when the opportunity to “get rich quick” comes along.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Roger
September 18, 2018 7:16 am

I finally checked for myself. It’s called “Peer Tube”. See info on it and other alternatives here:

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/07/30/p2p-video-sharing-youtube-alternatives/

Paul Schnurr
September 13, 2018 3:30 pm

I listened to it and found it not as bad as some had portrayed it. Just a company made up of people who firmly believe in globalization and progressivism as the way to go. In fact I discovered more than a couple attempts to be inclusive of other world views or at least some lip service was played, unusual for an internal meeting.

This is a better example, I think: https://www.infowars.com/silent-donation-corporate-emails-reveal-google-executives-efforts-to-turn-out-latino-voters-who-they-thought-would-vote-for-clinton/.

ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 3:37 pm

“These people may have certain valuable technical skills, but they aren’t very bright and are unusually lacking in self-awareness.”

If that were true, they would be conservatives. They are not.

Latitude
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 4:02 pm

well no, it’s the liberals that are for everyone’s rights…but then want to support and send money to countries that kill and torture people for trying to exercise those same rights…
..it’s the liberals that want to save the world from climate change…while giving a free pass to countries that emit much more CO2..and propping them up with even more money
It’s the liberals that condemn conservatives for being violent…and at the same time promote violence against conservatives…they claim it’s the “far” left…no, it’s mainstream democrats and the party platform “resist”…unless Maxine Waters, Pelosi, Clinton, etc are all far left
It’s the liberals that are progressive…and then censor free speach…try to shout people down.and threaten, attack people they don’t agree with
on and on and on……..

There’s no better example of agenda driven selective self-awareness…..

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  Latitude
September 13, 2018 4:42 pm

“but they aren’t very bright and are unusually lacking in self-awareness”

I guess you don’t really falsify that statement…but good try.

Latitude
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 5:06 pm

flattery doesn’t work on me…..

“There’s no better example of agenda driven selective self-awareness…..” than liberals

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  Latitude
September 13, 2018 6:04 pm

“agenda driven selective self-awareness” is obviously self-awareness.

Latitude
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 6:38 pm

for the severely reading challenged….operative word….selective

MarkW
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 4:08 pm

Speaking of not very bright and lacking in self awareness, RyanS pops up.

hunter
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 4:13 pm

RS, our dependable ignorant bigot, stumbles in to prove his consistency.

Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 4:58 pm

After reading the original article I coined a new term: “Infantile Intellectualism”. It is related to the familiar saying “….if you’re not a liberal when you’re 20 you have no heart…etc.”

The problem is that these infants are all in one big crib and refuse to talk with anyone except among themselves. And since they all quickly got rich they assume all of their opinions are correct.

The phenomenon I find it hard to fathom, is how do people who achieved sudden wealth via bald capitalism decide that socialist collectivism is a great ideology.

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  George Daddis
September 13, 2018 6:07 pm

“And since they all quickly got rich they assume all of their opinions are correct.”

I would love to have their opinions, at least if…

Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 14, 2018 8:27 am

So, ReallyCloseMinded, are you really RyanS? Don’t be shy — we already know trolls often post under several monikers to confuse. It’s SOP for card-carrying commies — deception and obfuscation, just like your Gaoggle-gods.

Reply to  George Daddis
September 14, 2018 1:41 am

George Daddis

They figure that, come the revolution, their money will grant them a free pass into the socialist/communist financial and political elite where they can do whatever they want whilst accumulating even more wealth from the working class.

There’s no such thing as a poor Party Member in China, N. Korea or even Venezuela. They just pass laws to facilitate their wealth accumulation. In any civilised society it would be called theft, which is why the likes of Google support socialism, they can just pass a law to make themselves even wealthier.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 5:05 pm

“Lacking in self-awareness”

Here we have a discussion where one of the main points against Google is they insult people they disagree with.

Then ReallySkeptical posts in defence of Google… by insulting people RS disagrees with.

For those not playing at home this is why Lefties are so easy to mock. You accuse them of something and they leap up to defence themselves by doing that exact same something.

ReallySkeptical
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 13, 2018 6:12 pm

Maybe. But known fact: Conservatives tend to not to have self awareness and tend not to challenge accepted ideas. They don’t do well in academia, esp. in science, and apparently Google too. Maybe there are similarities between academia and Google?

[???? .mod]

Latitude
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 6:41 pm

If conservatives challenge accepted ideas in academia…they get fired

TonyL
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 6:59 pm

Oh My Gawd, That’s Funny.
“known fact: Conservatives tend to not to have self awareness”
Says your typical jealous and self-serving left-wing moonbat prof?

“and tend not to challenge accepted ideas”
I guess you did not notice that a main feature of WUWT *is* to challenge one “the science is settled” hugely accepted idea.
It must have missed your attention somehow. Total lack of *any*awareness.
Conservatives are the independent free thinkers. It is the leftys who herd up like cattle and sheep and follow the leader.

“They don’t do well in academia, esp. in science”
*speechless*
Wait as second. OK, I can speak again.
Many of our most knowledgeable commenters here have advanced science degrees and evince center-right to right politics. people *you* would call “Right Wing Extremists”.
I suppose you think a hard left progressive so wrapped up in rigid ideology as to be borderline delusional will do well in the physical sciences of Chemistry and Physics. *NOT*

Final Shot:
Your whole slur against conservatives is just the tired old theme of conservatives as ignorant, knuckle-dragging neanderthals. This particular slur has been around since it was launched by leftist college profs during the “counter-culture” movement of the 1960s.
But I guess you are too young to know that.

Dave Burton
Reply to  TonyL
September 13, 2018 7:17 pm

ROTFLMFAO TonyL” “Conservatives are the independent free thinkers”
..
Do you have a citation for that bit of bovine excrement?
[This was posted by an impostor, not the real Dave Burton -Mod.]

Dave Burton
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 7:19 pm

Conservatives are in love with the POTUS who can’t even think let alone talk with a vocabulary more advanced than that of a fifth grader.
[This was posted by an impostor, not the real Dave Burton -Mod.]

Dave Burton
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 7:25 pm

Conservatives blindly follow Hanity, Limbaugh, Fox, Inforwars and Breitbart……without question. They all live in the right wing echo chamber.
..
Qanon much?
[This was posted by an impostor, not the real Dave Burton -Mod.]

simple-touriste
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 9:44 pm

You cannot “blindly follow Hanity, Limbaugh, Fox, Inforwars and Breitbart……without question”. Fox is mostly mainstream, lamestream, old and tired. Breitbart often contradicts Fox.

MarkW
Reply to  simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 9:26 am

It’s not like Dave has ever bothered to actually watch any of the groups or people in his list. He’s just repeating what everyone he knows, knows.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 7:58 am

Fascinating. Agrees with equals blindly following.

Once again the leftist demonstrates that projection is the only emotional skill it has ever mastered.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 8:18 pm

Yes, conservatives love Trump. He’s doing all the right conservative things. What conservative wouldn’t love that? Your opinion of his intelligence doesn’t matter to conservatives.

Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 2:12 am

Dave Burton

“Conservatives are in love with the POTUS who can’t even think let alone talk with a vocabulary more advanced than that of a fifth grader.”

An extremely wealthy man who runs numerous businesses simultaneously, negotiates deals with foreign governments to develop his businesses, and of course you are similarly skilled and wealthy?

Oh wait, your not POTUS are you?

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 7:57 am

Trump disagrees with you, therefore he’s stupid.

Once again the leftists demonstrates it’s inability to actually think for itself.

Latitude
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 8:26 am

“POTUS who can’t even think ”

..as opposed to Obama who couldn’t talk or think without a teleprompter and someone else to write it for him

UH UH UH UH UH UH UH UH UH ……………

or Hillary getting some seizure when she gets tripped up….

Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 8:33 am

Dave Burton? Another false moniker of RyanS/ReallyCloseMinded?

TonyL
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 7:27 pm

“Do you have a citation for that”
What is the trouble, Dave Burton?
Do you need to see if an academic herd leader has approved the idea before you will accept it?
Hmmmm………

Dave Burton
Reply to  TonyL
September 13, 2018 7:34 pm

Who said I was looking for an “academic” citation? Got any citation?
..
Please note, pulling something out of your posterior orifice is not considered a “citation.”
[This was posted by an impostor, not the real Dave Burton -Mod.]

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 9:27 am

As opposed to Dave Burton, who pull everything out of his posterior orifice.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 13, 2018 10:58 pm

Do you have a citation for that bit of bovine excrement?

Unlike liberals, conservatives can think for themselves, and do not need a “citation” from any “pee reviewed official literature” and the NYTimes and ABCNNBCBS to determine Truth. Many, in fact, believe that their absolute authority and values come from a Higher Source than “academia”.

Chris
Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 14, 2018 1:17 am

RACook – if conservatives can think for themselves and are so smart, why don’t they start successful companies? A high percentage of successful companies of the last 30-40 years have progressive founders – Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Costco. Wait, I forgot Enron – that’s an example of a conservative-founded company. Hahahaha.

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Burton
September 14, 2018 7:56 am

Not familiar with reality, are you.

Mike the Morlock
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 7:01 pm

ReallySkeptical Re-read what you wrote, ( Conservatives tend to not to have self awareness and tend not to challenge accepted ideas.) think about it a bit, actually keep thinking about it until you can say oops I was wrong.
You screwed up.
michael

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 7:28 pm

Which are more anti-vaccination? Liberals

Which have a harder time understanding the opposing side’s viewpoint? Liberals

And as you can see this has been scientifically proven. Why do you hate science?

simple-touriste
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 13, 2018 9:45 pm

Where is the evidence that any vaccines recommended in any first world country is proven (efficient), safe, or has any use in practical terms?

gnomish
Reply to  simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 12:31 am

just go get polio, ok?

Reply to  simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 7:17 am

Or perhaps you would prefer smallpox. You must be relatively young. Many of us here lived through the polio epidemic, and had friends who did not or were crippled. Anti-vaxers have negative IQs in my book.

MarkW
Reply to  simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 9:29 am

There are thousands of studies pointing to the effectiveness of vaccines.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 14, 2018 11:29 pm

OK, please tell me where there IS polio. Who is exposed to polio.

No, of course you can’t. You are just repeating the propaganda used to brainwashed the uneducated masses.

gnomish
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 15, 2018 8:06 am

“simple-touriste September 14, 2018 at 11:29 pm
OK, please tell me where there IS polio. Who is exposed to polio.
No, of course you can’t. You are just repeating the propaganda used to brainwashed the uneducated masses.”

vaccination wiped it out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_poliomyelitis

now, if the vaccine for stupid could get distributed it could be eradicated in our time!

gnomish
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 15, 2018 8:12 am

2003
Political and religious leaders of Kano, Zamfara, and Kaduna states in Nigeria bring the immunization campaign to a halt by calling on parents not to allow their children to be immunized. Polio immunization is suspended, thus leading to poliomyelitis outbreak and reinfecting at least other six countries (Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Chad, Côte d’Ivoire, Mali, and Sudan)

simple touriste, are you so hot to see people die for your idiocy?

simple-touriste
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 15, 2018 9:04 pm

Vaxxers, proving they are stupid, one at the time.

What the hell is polio and how do you determine whether someone has polio?

(BTW, polio vaccination is known to be a cause of polio and polio outbreak.)

gnomish
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 15, 2018 10:03 pm

“simple-touriste September 15, 2018 at 9:04 pm
Vaxxers, proving they are stupid, one at the time.
What the hell is polio and how do you determine whether someone has polio?
(BTW, polio vaccination is known to be a cause of polio and polio outbreak.)”

catastrophic logic fail:
it’s the fallacy of the stolen concept.
you accept the premise in order to reject it.
you question the existence polio and simultaneously assert that vaccines cause it
so do you want to wear a dunce cap? because this is how you get sat in the corner wearing a dunce cap.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 16, 2018 5:54 am

Polio isn’t well defined. It can be anything according to the needs of the vaxxers. You can’t define polio in a way consistent with your religious mantras.

There are cases of contagious polio caused by vaccines.

gnomish
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 19, 2018 7:48 pm
John Tillman
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 19, 2018 8:15 pm

simple-touriste September 16, 2018 at 5:54 am

I suppose that you’re referring to the Cutter lab incident.

Medical researcher Jonas Salk was the first person to create a vaccine against the polio virus. His vaccine was injectionable, trial tested on 1.8 million children. On April 12, 1955 his vaccine was publicly deemed a success.

Unfortunately, Cutter, one of the producing laboratories, accidentally made vaccines which contained traces of a live vaccine instead of dead. As a result of the Cutter vaccine, five children died, 56 developed paralytic polio, hundreds were exposed to the virus and people began to distrust Salk’s vaccine.

My Marine aviator dad contracted polio in Puerto Rico after the war. I was spared the disease by Sabin’s oral vaccine in the ’50s. A wonderful female friend of mine was one of the last polio victims before the Salk and Sabine vaccines ended the scourge in the US.

Kindly compare polio rates before and after vaccination campaigns. Thanks.

John Tillman
Reply to  Tsk Tsk
September 19, 2018 8:16 pm

Sorry. I meant live virus.

RACookPE1978
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Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 10:45 pm

Maybe. But known fact: Conservatives tend to not to have self awareness and tend not to challenge accepted ideas. They don’t do well in academia, esp. in science, and apparently Google too. Maybe there are similarities between academia and Google?

Rather, the liberals at Google and in academia are not smart enough, and are too prejudiced to understand that they ARE themselves more biased and with their own prejudices and lack of awareness, to understand that THEY are the ones segregating THEMSELVES from quality workers and a quality product BY their own segregation from other ideas. They treasure the appearance of race, sex, (the proper approved religions) and clothes and gender, but HATE actual measurements of quality products. They CANNOT TOLERATE a difference of ideas and values. ONLY the values are permitted – the rest? Prohibited! Thus, both treasure the mental restrictions of liberalism and the limitations of bureaucracy and totalitarianism and despots and fear of the government’s guns and police so they REFUSE to go beyond academia and government and Google-like trashy products that require monopolies and subsidies.

Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 14, 2018 2:04 am

ReallySkeptical

“Conservatives tend to not to have self awareness and tend not to challenge accepted ideas.”

That’ll be why most wealthy people are right wing then will it? They support free trade and freedom of speech, both concepts well beyond the intellectual grasp of the left who find it necessary to tell people what they must do rather than having the courage to let them do what they want.

Everything the western world enjoys is the product of free trade, free thinking and freedom of speech, right wing values.

Indeed right wing values are so good that the Communist USSR adopted them. As a functional principle, Communist China has also adopted right wing economic values and now encourages it’s population to engage in free trade with the west (not entirely, but sufficient for this discussion) and enjoy the benefits of individual wealth.

Regression to socialism brings us basket cases such as Venezuela and Zimbabwe. And these are the conditions socialists like you aspire to.

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MarkW
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 14, 2018 7:49 am

Like most of RS’s known facts, it’s really only opinion. But since all the liberals he knows share that opinion, he actually believes it’s a fact.

It’s a well known fact that if you are known to be a conservative you will never get tenure.
But keep telling yourself that you are the smart ones. It’s so much fun to watch your face when you find out how stupid you really are.

paul courtney
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 5:35 pm

RS brings “I know you are, but what am I” to the debate, and thinks he scored! What a maroon.

Merovign
Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 13, 2018 6:15 pm

The fundamental tenet of political conservatism is that you should not replace an old idea with a new idea until you A) understand what the old idea is actually there for, B) understand what the consequences of removing it are, and C) can demonstrate that the new idea bears a reasonable chance of being better than the old idea.

The fact that the political left has never learned this nor can they describe it accurately suggests there is, in fact, and imbalance here, just not the one you think there is.

P.S. Skepticism denotes a desire to understand how something works before believing it, what you do here bears a much greater resemblance to what they used to call being a “reactionary.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Merovign
September 13, 2018 8:23 pm

Conservatism promotes individual freedoms. Democrats/Liberals/Socialists promote the curtailing of the freedoms of individuals.

Conservatives don’t want to run your life, they think you can run your life pretty good all by yourself.

Leftists *do* want to run your life. They think people need to be put under control. For their own good, of course.

Jim G.
Reply to  Merovign
September 13, 2018 9:42 pm

Oh my gosh.
Can you say public education?

A few moonbats got it in their head that “Homework doesn’t work” and that is now the mantra for not having homework. I can guarantee one thing; it is true, if the kids don’t do their homework, it does not work.

Apparently, someone forgot to tell the universities (whose professors wrote said studies) that homework doesn’t work because they still seem to expect it.

Reply to  ReallySkeptical
September 14, 2018 1:30 am

ReallySkeptical

Defending the indefensible.

But your track record on climate change is the same so should any of us be surprised?

No.

gnomish
Reply to  HotScot
September 14, 2018 2:31 am

heh- the red flag is in the name.
in the same way the democratic peoples’ republics are democratic, peoples’ and republics.
in the same way don lemon is a straight news reporter…
in the same way the Venzuelan Ministry of Happiness is there to administer happiness…

Rud Istvan
September 13, 2018 3:40 pm

Its all coming out. Thank God for the Internet, which Google does NOT rule. Proven here.

Tom Halla
Reply to  Rud Istvan
September 13, 2018 6:21 pm

Not now, but an attempt was made with the FCC proposing the “net neutrality” game, which would have regulated the net as a utility. I recall you are old enough to remember how the FCC did with Ma Bell.

Jim G.
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 13, 2018 9:45 pm

It is interesting that the internet big boys were all in favor of net neutrality.
Must be a government program from Atlas Shrugged.
All programs were given a name that was the opposite of what they would accomplish.

simple-touriste
Reply to  Tom Halla
September 13, 2018 9:52 pm

Why? Treating all data packets to/from the same group of clients sent in the same channel with the same tags as having equal priority (whether they represent lolcats or remote medicine) seems fair and logical.

MarkW
Reply to  simple-touriste
September 14, 2018 9:33 am

The problem is all data packets aren’t equal. Some are time sensitive, and others have a higher requirement that they be received.

Those who send or receive more data packets put more of a load on the system than do those who send or receive less.

Net neutrality is a belief that you don’t have to pay more just because you are using 10 times the resources that someone else does.

simple-touriste
Reply to  MarkW
September 14, 2018 4:28 pm

Complete conservative BS – as usual from you.

Net neutrality is exactly what I wrote. What you wrote is random gibberish.

Please describe packets that aren’t time sensitive, that can be delayed without impact. All packets are useless after a delay. All packets “desire” to arrive on time.

The opponents of net neutrality, after being unable to make a cogent argument, now want a regulation of big Web actors. The irony. Conservatives have no ideology.

Scott Manhart
September 13, 2018 3:48 pm

Yes but the mean well.

September 13, 2018 3:51 pm

“Brin suggests that Trump voters were acting out of “boredom”, which he says has in the past have (sic) been one of the factors giving rise to fascism and communism.”

Anyone so shallow that he thinks boredom was a factor behind either fascism or communism should keep his mouth firmly shut. He’s projecting his own ennui on the likes of Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini. A couple of hours outside the bubble on DuckDuckGo would have alleviated his ignorance of post-WWI Germany, for starters, as long as he didn’t consult the bubblicious Wankerpedia.

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