Why I Don’t Deny: Confessions of a Climate Skeptic — Part 2

Guest Essay by Kip Hansen

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Note:  Please read Part 1 before reading this — this is a continuation of that essay (a rather long continuation….)

The last point I made in Part 1 of this essay was this:

The IPCC in their synthesis report for policy makers says that human emissions of greenhouse gases [“atmo­spheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide”]  and “other anthropogenic drivers,” are  “extremely likely to have been the dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.”

So far, I agree with all the facts [the facts being basically:  Global Warming is happening and  Human activity causes [some of] it.]  but don’t agree with the assertion that  CO2 and other anthropogenic emissions  arethe dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.” — I agree neither with the attribution or the effect size.

Why?  For the simple reason that real scientific evidence for this view is very weak.  The IPCC in AR5 SPM offers only this:

“The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.” — AR5 SPM 1.1

That’s the sum total of the evidence, though the IPCC AR5 is hundreds of pages in four booklets, they are just additional verbiage on these basic points.

Readers will have heard the line “multiple lines of evidence” attached to the attribution of anthropogenic causes.  However, that phrase is used only once in AR5 SPM as “Multiple lines of evidence indicate a strong, consistent, almost linear relationship between cumulative CO2 emissions and projected global temperature change to the year 2100….”  I’m sure I don’t need to point out that there is never ever evidence about the future…..They do not claim in the Summary for Policy Makers that there are multiple lines of evidence for the attribution statement that apply to the past-to-present.

That it has warmed is not in question, we covered this in Part 1.    As for sea level, not yet touched on,  we will look first at typical visuals offered, one from the IPCC AR5 SPM and then turn to the well-accepted  Grinstead et al. 2009 paper:  “Reconstructing sea level from paleo and projected temperatures 200 to 2100AD” which serves up the visual depiction on the left, IPCC on the right:

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On the left is from Grinstead 2009 starting in 1850, and on the left right,  from the IPCC’s AR5, incongruously starting abruptly in 1900 (I have not modified that image — that is how it is printed).

However, sea level does not begin its inexorable rise in 1850-1900, the beginning of the Modern Industrial Era as depicted in so many of the sea level graphs like those offered above.  To see this we need to take a closer, deeper look at the data available in the literature:

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Ignoring the projections of future sea level rise, let’s just look to see when sea levels started rising in these two “Modeled past sea level” reconstructions.  The “Thick black line: recon­structed GSL [Global Sea Level] (Jevrejeva et al., 2006) extended to 1700 using Amsterdam sea level (van Veen, 1945).”  All three data sets agree:  Jones and Mann (2004), Moberg et al. (2005) and Jevrejeva et al. 2006.  Sea level bottoms out at the depth of the Little Ice Age around 1650-1700 and begins a rise that continues to the present.  PSMSL Reconsructions page has plenty of data sources.

That sea level has risen is not in question.    The primary factor of both Temperature and Sea Level is that they have both been rising much longer than the IPCC’s posited cause — rising greenhouse gases —  has existed.  Let me put both temperature and sea level side-by-side:

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Loehle’s temperature reconstruction on the left, a segment from Moberg’s 2005 sea level reconstruction from Grinstead 2009, and from the IPCC’s AR5, Chapter 13 on the right.  Sea level bottoms out at a millennial low around 1650-1800.  That’s 200-300 years of temperature and sea level rise — neither starts in 1850, 1880, 1890, or 1900.

So far, I have freely agreed that the Earth’s climate has warmed, that atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have risen, and that sea level has risen.  I will even let the Consensus have “the oceans have warmed” — even though I have extreme doubts that we have any real idea of the past temperatures of “the oceans”.

[ We have some clue about the skin temperature of the seas from satellite data and a tiny bit of data about the rest from free floating ARGO buoys — but nothing anywhere near enough to estimate the average temperature of the oceans or any changes to that average — in my opinion, that claim is not scientifically supportable at this time.]

I don’t have any special expertise on snow cover levels, glaciers, Arctic or Antarctic ice.  But here is what Rutger’s Snow Lab has to say about Northern Hemisphere snow cover since 1967 (satellite era):

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Surprisingly, Northern Hemisphere snow cover is increasing in the Fall and Winter seasons and decreasing only in the Spring, with the last couple of Springs being about normal. There seems to be more variation in the Fall and Spring seasons, with Winters being less variable.

Why Northern Hemisphere snow cover? Most of the planets snow is in the Northern Hemisphere with the majority of the rest being in Antarctica: [Arctic ice cap not represented.]

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Glaciers, extent and growth/shrinkage of, is even more controversial than the rest of climate change — and I am happy to leave that others.  Glacier growth is not primarily driven by temperature, but rather by precipitation at the high end of a glacier: “A glacier is a persistent body of dense ice that is constantly moving under its own weight; it forms where the accumulation of snow exceeds its ablation (melting and sublimation) over many years, often centuries.”  So, even if glaciers are generally shrinking (some are shrinking and some are growing), it has no particular bearing on warming.  Regionally, changes in glacier size and movement can be considered due to changes in regional climate, changes in precipitation being the main factor.

As for Antarctica?  Again, too much controversy to say.  On 10 July 2017, a NASA study done in 2015 by Jay Zwally was published online in the Journal of Glaciology and was highlighted in this press release:  “NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses”,   It says “A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.”  Scientific American beat the original study to press by four days, running a rebuttal on 6 July 2017, written by Shannon Hall, a news report, not a scientific study.  Just in  case anyone might misconstrue the purpose of the article, they subtly titled it “What to Believe in Antarctica’s Great Ice Debate”.  Four days before the original study is published — now that is what I call Rapid Response!

There is no doubt about Arctic sea ice extent — it has been declining:

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The left graph shows the last eight years against 1979-2017 mean — the right graph shows those same eight years (plus 2018) as daily values. The red trace with + marks is 2018 through July.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center offers this:

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So, it is obvious (from satellite data) that Winter NH Sea Ice Extent is down about ½ million miles2 (roughly a million km2)  and Summer Extent is down, on average, about a million mi2 Changes in Arctic sea ice conditions can affect weather  and climate elsewhere.  These graphs start in 1976 or so because that is the start of the satellite era.

Again, as with almost all climate issues, there is a controversy.  Arctic Sea Ice has been declining — sorry for the lack of originality here — 300 years.  Many historical records show that there was a similar decline in the 1930s.

Polyak et al., 2010 shows this controversy in action:

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In the Nordic Seas we see in the black boxes low sea ice extents which last just two or three years in the mid-1600s and mid-1700s, and, as expected,  in the very warm 1920-1940 period, as per Macias-Fauria et al., 2009  (black trace).  The red trace is Arctic max sea ice per Kinnard et al., 2008 which shows the effect of Nordic ice on overall Arctic ice with a dip in the same 1920-1940 period.

Polyakov et al.  says “The discrepancy between the two records in the early 20th century corresponds to an increase in the Atlantic inflow to the Nordic Seas,”  which I would translate as “Nordic sea ice was low during the 1920-1940 period due to a change in Atlantic circulation.”   Previous historic low extents in the 1600s and 1700s are not associated with known warm periods.  Using Nordic Sea Ice as a proxy (the Danes have kept very good records, being responsible for Iceland and Greenland and points north), we see that Arctic Sea Ice decline can reasonably be said to start in the early 1700s or the late-1700s — definitely not the late 1800s — not 1850-1880-1890 — not the beginning of the Industrial Era.

We should note that Arctic Sea Ice has only been tracked with any scientific accuracy since the beginning of the satellite era, like many other global metrics.

But, still, no denial here, Artic Sea Ice is at historic lows, having reached a high point at the depth of the Little Ice Age and falling since then coincident with subsequent warming.

In Part 1 and the above, I have agreed with all the posited physical facts and the evidence presented by the IPCC for its global warming/climate change position.

There remains one issue that has yet to be addressed, as we can’t assess the IPCC’s position without it.

Is CO2 a greenhouse gas?  Can, and does,  increasing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and other anthropogenic greenhouse gases cause warming?

Of course it is and of course it can and of course it may have. 

Some readers will find this admission offensive, but again there is no reason to deny the physical facts — the Australians explain it like this:

“Greenhouse effect

The greenhouse effect is a natural process that warms the Earth’s surface. When the Sun’s energy reaches the Earth’s atmosphere, some of it is reflected back to space and the rest is absorbed and re-radiated by greenhouse gases.

Greenhouse gases include water vapour, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, ozone and some artificial chemicals such as chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs).

The absorbed energy warms the atmosphere and the surface of the Earth. This process maintains the Earth’s temperature at around 33 degrees Celsius warmer than it would otherwise be, allowing life on Earth to exist.”

Why would anyone deny that?  It is simply a fact of chemical and energy physics.

I acknowledge that the name “Greenhouse Effect” is a misnomer — Alistair B. Fraser, Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, Pennsylvania State University gives a thorough explanation as to why and how it is a misnomer on his Bad Greenhouse page  and has a very interesting discussion at Bad Greenhouse FAQ.

The mis-naming of the effect doesn’t change its reality and doesn’t change the absorption of outgoing energy by water vapor, CO2 and the other greenhouse gases.   Because energy is absorbed by these gases,  the atmospheric temperature is raised.  The atmosphere radiates energy, like all physical material, based on its temperature.  Some of that radiated energy is absorbed by the Earth itself, the oceans, the plants, the animals — well, everything that it touches.  That’s how the system works.  It is not correct to say that everything that absorbs this radiation of energy from the atmosphere “heats up”.  It is correct to say that it has absorbed energy.

But many insist that we are talking about heat — that is not physically correct — we are really speaking about the conservation of energy.   Energy absorbed by the Earth as a “system” takes many forms.  Plants absorb energy from the Sun and thorough  through chemical processing store it as chemical energy in sugars and as chemical energy stored in the tissues of the plant itself.  Water molecules absorb energy from the sun and atmosphere and store it as kinetic and potential energy in the water vapor moved higher into the atmosphere which we experience as the energy of water high in the atmosphere falling to Earth: hydroelectric power is derived from that stored energy, flash floods and mudslides are caused by the release of this potential energy.  Through life processes, energy is both stored and used by all animals (and humans) to keep their bodies warm and perform work (both internal and external).  And, as we are all aware, fossil fuels are fuels because they are that energy stored over geological time spans.

My point in all the above is that not all energy retained in the Earth system is retained as heat measurable by thermometers.  The general consensus view sweeps all this energy storing into the statement “the missing heat goes into the oceans”.  The energy is not missing, it is being stored in myriad ways.  How much energy stored in what forms?  We have no idea really. We did recently find out that photosynthesis has increased by >30% due to atmospheric CO2 enhancement — which means >30% more energy being converted by plants

There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth about this, I’m sure.  Some will point to the experiments that “prove” that the atmosphere is radiating more energy back to Earth than some time earlier — this is not in question. Yes, of course they do.  That is the physical science of so-called “greenhouse gases” and this phenomena is responsible for the Earth being a livable planet.

So what is left?

Now, I have accepted the two basic premises of the Global Warming movement — the two points on which the so-called “97% agree” (so count me among them) — that “Global Warming is happening” and “Human activity causes [some of] it.”

I have accepted the  lines of evidence that the IPCC offers in support of their hypothesis:  “The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amounts of snow and ice have diminished, and sea level has risen.”  I have even agreed that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and that it is at an historic high.

Why am I still a skeptic?

I am still a skeptic because all of those things, freely accepted more-or-less as claimed, do not add up to anything even near a “proof” of the IPCC hypothesis:

CO2 and other anthropogenic emissions arethe dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.”

I would even go as far as to say that the evidence offered up by the IPCC, in their hundreds of pages of painstakingly reviewed and re-reviewed reports does nothing more than present a case for the possibility that the hypothesis could be true. 

The IPCC and the Climate Science community have, so far, failed to rule out the CO2 driven global warming hypothesis —  nothing more.    They have, however, shown in their historical reconstructions that the main bodies of evidence their hypothesis relies on — surface air temperature, sea level rise, snow and ice cover —  all started changing long before CO2 concentrations could possibly [have] had any appreciable effect.

It is an accepted tenet of modern science that an Effect cannot precede its Cause. So here I find myself accepting the major offered data as more-or-less valid (close enough for my purposes) and the evidences offered as more-or-less true, yet I find that proposed CO2-driven Global Warming Hypothesis, in order to be  true, would require retrocausality, or, in other words, that the Effects have preceded the Cause.

I am a firm proponent of the idea that time flows in one direction only and that the arrow of cause always points forward (past-to-present, present-to-future).  That leaves me to reject the CO2-driven Global Warming Hypothesis as generally presented.

I am not the first to notice this, of course.  The IPCC has thus been forced to alter its original hypothesis and modify it to read that CO2 and other anthropogenic emissions arethe dominant cause of the observed warming since the mid-20th century.” 

That means that CO2 as a driver of climate only became dominate over Factor X since 1950.

“Factor X?” you may ask.   Yes, Factor X is just a place-marker for whatever was causing Global Temperature to rise since the mid-1600s, Global Sea Level to rise since 1650-1700,  Arctic Sea Ice to start declining in either the early 1700s, or in 1800 (your choice, either could be supported by the data).

If this sounds fanciful to you, then your critical thinking skills are working properly.  There is simply no evidence whatever that the unknown Factor X was responsible for 250 years of rising temperature, rising seas, and declining Arctic ice — only to be superseded by CO2-driven Global Warming in 1950.

The IPCC Consensus view is that Factor X is “natural variability” — which can be translated into “things that change the climate that we do not recognize as causative and do not understand”.   The IPCC modified CO2-driven Global Warming Hypothesis thus depends on unknown/not-understood climate forcings (lumped into a basket called “natural variability”) which are then, for unknown reasons,  overshadowed by CO2 induced warming (the effect size of which is still unknown and controversial) around 1950.

As for me and mine, we will wait in the bleachers for evidence to be produced that supports such as an hypothesis — something stronger than that offered by so many CAGW apologists in the form “well, what else could it be?”

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Author’s Comment Policy:

Please, try and stay on topic and discuss this essay  — it is certainly broad enough to satisfy most readers.  Oh, and please, pretty please, Don’t Feed The Trolls — like feral cats, feeding just encourages them to breed there under the bridge and become real pests.

I hope that I have not trounced your favorite talking points — remember, this is just my view of a very complex, very young and immature science field.  I am patiently waiting for it to grow up.

While I am perfectly willing to explain my viewpoint — I do not argue with others.

If speaking to me, please begin you comment with “Kip…”  and I’ll be sure to see it.  I do read every single comment that appear under essays I write, but in the wild west world of blog comment threads, it is often difficult to figure out who is speaking to who about exactly what.  Leading your comments with the name of the person you are speaking to makes this easier for all.

Keep the conversation collegial and try to understand the other person’s point before replying.

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August 28, 2018 1:06 pm

Some of the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere could come from being degassed by the oceans as they warm, thus coming after warming not before.

Frank
August 28, 2018 1:20 pm

Kip: Very well done. As we discussed in Part I, it all comes down to ECS, although I prefer to think in terms of its reciprocal, the climate feedback parameter a property of our planet that applies to any external forcing (to a first approximation), not just CO2. 3 K/doubling is really 3 K/3.7 W/m2 of forcing or 0.81 K/(W/m2). Take the reciprocal: 1.23 W/m2 more radiation emitted or reflected back to space per K rise in surface temperature: 1.23 W/m2/K. 3K of warming provides 3.7 W/m2 of additional radiative cooling to space to counterbalance the forcing from 2XCO2 or any other forcing totaling 3.7 W/m2.

So, how much additional radiation to space does the planet emit when it warms 1K??? The planet warms 3.5 K seasonally due to the asymmetric distribution of land. We have watched that process from space and know (with a high degree of accuracy) that emission of LWR rises by 2.2 W/m2/K. This is somewhat less than the 3.2 W/m2/K expected for a gray body model, so net LWR feedback appears to be roughly 1 W/m2/K. This is somewhat smaller than IPCC models project because they get LWR emission from cloudy skies wrong. That implies a warming of 1.7 K will counterbalance the forcing from 2XCO2 – if there were no SWR feedback.

Unfortunately, reflection of SWR during seasonal warming does not vary linearly with surface temperature and surface albedo certainly lags surface temperature. And seasonal warming (warming in the NH and cooling in the SH) is not an ideal model for global warming. (It is, however, an ideal system for proving AOGCMs perform poorly at reproducing feedback.)

The closest answer I can suggest to the IPCC hypothesis is to start with 2.2 W/m2/K and ask how much reflection of SWR could change with surface temperature. About 100 W/m2 is reflected back to space by surface albedo, cloud albedo, and scattering (the scattering of visible light that makes the sky look blue). Only 50 W/m2 is reflected by clouds. So a 1%/K change in clouds is only worth 0.5 W/m2/K in feedback. And a 1%/K change is fairly large given that glacials were 6 K colder. Make some estimates and you will have a range of values for ECS independent of the IPCC’s and remarkably close to those from energy balance models (:)). Consider being a lukewarmer.

Frank
Reply to  Frank
August 28, 2018 1:21 pm

CERES data from seasonal warming:
http://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/110/19/7568.full.pdf

Alasdair
August 28, 2018 2:18 pm

My scepticism started many years ago when I attended a Climate Course in Oxford. We were required to read the then AR4 IPCC publication. When I read the IPCC definition of Radiative Forcing I concluded that it did NOT comply with thermodynamic law.
Subsequent attempts to obtain an explanation were blandly and frustratingly patronising, with no answer given.
IMO The anomalies generated by this definition riddle the current debate and have infected most of not all the modelling programmes.

Sylvia
August 28, 2018 3:26 pm

Kip,
“There is simply no evidence whatever that the unknown Factor X was responsible for 250 years of rising temperature, rising seas, and declining Arctic ice — only to be superseded by CO2-driven Global Warming in 1950”

Why stop at 250 years? I still don’t understand how CO2 can be separated out *at all* as affecting the climate, given that Factor X was also responsible for falling temperatures, falling seas, and increasing Arctic ice when CO2 was at far higher levels in the distant past.

I can’t see how a sensible hypothesis can even be formed, when there is no prior correlation of temperature with CO2 levels. It’s one thing to argue that adding CO2 into an already warming world could make it warmer, if the geological record showed that more CO2 always equals higher temperatures, but it doesn’t. I STILL haven’t heard a sensible explanation as to how the basic hypothesis makes any sense given Factor X’s preponderant influence on climate since the year dot.

Farmer Ch E retired
August 28, 2018 9:04 pm

Kip – I appreciate your discussion of the conservation of energy and its complexities and how this is not just about heat. My schooling is in Chemical Engineering, and as such, I’m well aware of how complex the energy system is, especially as related to earth’s climate with the multitude of variables and interactions. Thanks again.

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 29, 2018 4:03 pm

The devil is always in the details. As example, if one understands adiabatic heat of compression as applied to the atmosphere, it becomes a no-brainier that increasing air temperature by 1 or even 8.5 C is not going to melt ice sheets near the poles where the elevations are 2000 to 4000 m above MSL (6500 to 13,000 ft). As you pointed out, precipitation patterns are a controlling factor at those elevations. This year, a significant portion of Greenland has had zero (0) melt days. (maybe up to 50% based on the graphic on the National Snow & Ice Data Center web site.

Steven Mosher
August 29, 2018 4:23 am

“[ We have some clue about the skin temperature of the seas from satellite data and a tiny bit of data about the rest from free floating ARGO buoys — but nothing anywhere near enough to estimate the average temperature of the oceans or any changes to that average — in my opinion, that claim is not scientifically supportable at this time.]”

Thanks for your opionion. Of course DEMONSTRATING the minumum number of measurements required to estimate the average temperature of the ocean with a given confidence interval would actually require you to , ya know, DO THE MATH.

you havent.

Steven Mosher
August 29, 2018 5:52 am

“That means that CO2 as a driver of climate only became dominate over Factor X since 1950.”

jeez

The rise in temperature up to ~1950 is a combination of several forcings:

1900 to 1940, atmospheric CO2 levels increased from approximately 295 to 310 parts That about .22C
in warming at equillibrium, and about .15C transiently. Solar changes: TSI increased about 1Watt, add in solar in direct effects and you have another .1 to .15C and AMO is the balance.

of course since ~1950 most of the warming is human cause. Prior to 1950 a good portion.
and PLEASE it is more than c02. it is GHG forcing ( all GHGs) and land use changes.

here

https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-why-scientists-think-100-of-global-warming-is-due-to-humans

michael hart
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 29, 2018 6:05 am

If you are going to believe that, why stop there? Hasn’t Gavin the Schmidt previously said he thinks humans are responsible for more than 100% of recent warming?

Sylvia
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 29, 2018 3:39 pm

Steven, could you please answer my question above. Why do CO2 molecules take on magically different properties when we emit them? And a philosophical one: if termites annually produce ten times the amount of CO2 as we do by burning fossil fuels, should we destroy termites to save the world? Given that we are ‘unsequestering’ carbon in exactly the same way that termites do, who gets to say what’s natural and what’s unnatural, and what time scale should apply to the carbon ‘inventory’?

Rag
August 29, 2018 6:30 am

Wow Kip,
Your argument is well constructed enough to be used as a basic deprogramming kit with our brainwashed friends that still retained some analytical skills. I will surely forward it a few times in the next decade.
Rag

Rod
August 29, 2018 11:31 am

Very nice summary.

I’ve never been able to get a good explanation of the analysis of global temperature measurements. Take the data for global temperature, assuming it has been averaged correctly, and plug it into a statistical program and one will find that, treated as a time series there is no significant trend in the data at all. It’s indistinguishable from random variation. How do the climatistas finesse that?

Kristi Silber
August 30, 2018 10:42 pm

Kip – I’m always a little skeptical when people say, “There is no evidence whatsoever that…” It seems more honest to say, “I have found no evidence that…”

Have you, for example, examined the evidence for what started and maintained the decreasing temps in the LIA, such as a few large volcanic eruptions? They are by nature time-restricted in their effects, so once those were gone, the climate could have trended back to a warming phase. Some suggest that the warming was augmented by an increase in solar radiation, with evidence in sunspot counts. There also is evidence that black soot from the beginning of the Industrial Revolution contributed to warming through effects on glacial retreat, which seem to have started before temperature increases.

This paper looks specifically at temperature in the 20th C. (Yes, it’s based on models – but virtually every examination of the factors affecting climate is necessarily based on models of some sort: graphs alone cannot determine causation.)
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10.1175/1520-0442%282004%29017%3C3721%3ACONAAF%3E2.0.CO%3B2

If I recall the paper correctly, the increase in snow extent in fall and winter is primarily due to greater precipitation. Given that increase, the decrease in spring is due to earlier onset of warm weather.

“So, even if glaciers are generally shrinking (some are shrinking and some are growing), it has no particular bearing on warming. ” Why not? If one can account for snowfall and still see a shrinking, wouldn’t that suggest warming plays a role? It’s also valuable to differentiate between volume and extent. (The great majority are shrinking in extent, apart from those in Antarctica, and doing so relatively rapidly.)

Just looking at graphs doesn’t tell you a lot. For you to provide a convincing argument that 20th C warming is simply an extension of the LIA – or say anything whatever about the LIA and natural variability – you should be able to explain causes. “Natural variability” is not a cause. Random variation is the null hypothesis.

Sylvia
Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 31, 2018 4:30 pm

Kip, that’s a great explanation. The models are hypotheses being used to to prove a hypothesis. My point is that there surely there was no logical basis for the hypothesis in the first place, given the historical record? Isn’t the point that it could be true, (it could also be true that Planet X is made of cheese because it is yellow), but there is no reason to assume that it SHOULD be true. Is it fair to say that even though the main hypothesis has not been falsified (because it is effectively unfalsifiable) many of the specific predictions made under the hypothesis have been falsified. So if that doesn’t suffice as overall falsification, surely at least it shows that observations do not support the hypothesis? The warmists don’t play fair. When observations don’t meet predictions, it’s because of ‘other factors’. When they do, those other factors seem to disappear!

Sylvia
Reply to  Kip Hansen
September 1, 2018 4:51 pm

Kip, thanks, will do. (Harking and Jarking sounds either a bit rude, or like a quick trip in an ambulance is in order!) 🙂

Johann Wundersamer
August 31, 2018 4:27 am

I agree neither with the attribution or the effect size –>

I agree neither with the attribution nor the effect size