Napoleon at Waterloo versus the volcano – Napoleon lost

Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo caused in part by Indonesian volcanic eruption

Electrically charged volcanic ash short-circuited Earth’s atmosphere in 1815, causing global poor weather and Napoleon’s defeat, says new research.

Historians know that rainy and muddy conditions helped the Allied army defeat the French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte at the Battle of Waterloo. The June 1815 event changed the course of European history.

Two months prior, a volcano named Mount Tambora erupted on the Indonesian island of Sumbawa, killing 100,000 people and plunging the Earth into a ‘year without a summer’ in 1816.

Now, Dr Matthew Genge from Imperial College London has discovered that electrified volcanic ash from eruptions can ‘short-circuit’ the electrical current of the ionosphere – the upper level of the atmosphere that is responsible for cloud formation.

The findings, published today in Geology, could confirm the suggested link between the eruption and Napoleon’s defeat.

Dr Genge, from Imperial’s Department of Earth Science and Engineering, suggests that the Tambora eruption short-circuited the ionosphere, ultimately leading to a pulse of cloud formation. This brought heavy rain across Europe that contributed to Napoleon Bonaparte’s defeat.

From History.com

On June 16, 1815, he defeated the Prussians under Gebhard Leberecht von Blucher at Ligny, and sent 33,000 men, or about one-third of his total force, in pursuit of the retreating Prussians. On June 18, Napoleon led his remaining 72,000 troops against the Duke of Wellington’s 68,000-man allied army, which had taken up a strong position 12 miles south of Brussels near the village of Waterloo. In a fatal blunder, Napoleon waited until mid-day to give the command to attack in order to let the ground dry. The delay in fighting gave Blucher’s troops, who had eluded their pursuers, time to march to Waterloo and join the battle by the late afternoon.

The paper shows that eruptions can hurl ash much higher than previously thought into the atmosphere – up to 100 kilometres above ground.

Dr Genge said: “Previously, geologists thought that volcanic ash gets trapped in the lower atmosphere, because volcanic plumes rise buoyantly. My research, however, shows that ash can be shot into the upper atmosphere by electrical forces.”

A series of experiments showed that that electrostatic forces could lift ash far higher than by buoyancy alone. Dr Genge created a model to calculate how far charged volcanic ash could levitate, and found that particles smaller than 0.2 millionths of a metre in diameter could reach the ionosphere during large eruptions.

He said: “Volcanic plumes and ash both can have negative electrical charges and thus the plume repels the ash, propelling it high in the atmosphere. The effect works very much like the way two magnets are pushed away from each other if their poles match.”

The experimental results are consistent with historical records from other eruptions.

Weather records are sparse for 1815, so to test his theory, Dr Genge examined weather records following the 1883 eruption of another Indonesian volcano, Krakatau.

The data showed lower average temperatures and reduced rainfall almost immediately after the eruption began, and global rainfall was lower during the eruption than either period before or after.

He also found reports of ionosphere disturbance after the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo, Philippines, which could have been caused by charged ash in the ionosphere from the volcano plume.

In addition, a special cloud type appeared more frequently than usual following the Krakatau eruption. Noctilucent clouds are rare and luminous, and form in the ionosphere. Dr Genge suggests these clouds therefore provide evidence for the electrostatic levitation of ash from large volcanic eruptions.

Dr Genge said:

“Vigo Hugo in the novel Les Miserables said of the Battle of Waterloo: ‘an unseasonably clouded sky sufficed to bring about the collapse of a World.’

 

Now we are a step closer to understanding Tambora’s part in the Battle from half a world away.”

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The paper: https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/geology/article/547176/Electrostatic-levitation-of-volcanic-ash-into-the

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Steve Reddish
August 23, 2018 7:58 am

All this talk about whether the weather in Belgium caused Napoleon’s loss, but little about the claim that a volcano in Indonesia caused abnormal rain in Europe. Concerning this claim, color me confused:

“The experimental results are consistent with historical records from other eruptions.

Weather records are sparse for 1815, so to test his theory, Dr Genge examined weather records following the 1883 eruption of another Indonesian volcano, Krakatau.

The data showed lower average temperatures and reduced rainfall almost immediately after the eruption began, and global rainfall was lower during the eruption than either period before or after.”

To confirm his speculation that Tambora’s eruption caused excess rain in Europe, the author cites a decrease in global rainfall concurrent with Krakatau’s eruption??????

SR

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Steve Reddish
August 23, 2018 8:12 am

OOPS, Willis made this point while I was typing. Had I seen his entry, I would have gone for a morning bike ride, instead.

SR

August 23, 2018 7:58 am

The mention of “electrostatic levitation” is interesting.
Only a few weeks ago, I read about a very small spider that spins a fine but long thread. And due to electrostatic forces goes “flying”.
Bob Hoye

Toto
August 23, 2018 9:13 am

“Now, Dr Matthew Genge from Imperial College London has discovered that electrified volcanic ash from eruptions can ‘short-circuit’ the electrical current of the ionosphere – the upper level of the atmosphere that is responsible for cloud formation.”

short-circuit the ionosphere? the level responsible for cloud formation?

Here’s the abstract:

Large volcanic eruptions cause short-term climate change owing to the convective rise of fine ash and aerosols into the stratosphere. Volcanic plumes are, however, also associated with large net electrical charges that can also in infuence the dynamics of their ash particles. Here I show that electrostatic levitation of ash from plumes with a net charge is capable of injecting volcanic particles <500 nm in diameter into the ionosphere in large eruptions lasting more than a few hours. Measured disturbances in the ionosphere during eruptions, and the first discovery of polar mesospheric clouds after the A.D. 1883 Krakatau (Indonesia) eruption, are both consistent with levitation of ash into the mesosphere. Supervolcano eruptions are likely to inject signicant quantities of charged ash into the ionosphere, resulting in disturbance or collapse of the global electrical circuit on time scales of 102 s. Because atmospheric electrical potential moderates cloud formation, large eruptions may have abrupt effects on climate through radiative forcing. Average air temperature and precipitation records from the 1883 eruption of Krakatau are consistent with a sudden effect on climate.

collapse of the global electrical circuit on time scales of 102 s?
Because atmospheric electrical potential moderates cloud formation?
large eruptions may have abrupt effects on climate through radiative forcing?

Fantasy science. I’m going back to fantasy post-hoc generaling.

TomRude
August 23, 2018 11:02 am

“Vigo Hugo in the novel Les Miserables said of the Battle of Waterloo: ‘an unseasonably clouded sky sufficed to bring about the collapse of a World.’

Victor Hugo…

Sgt
August 23, 2018 11:11 am

Vigo Hugo?

ResourceGuy
August 23, 2018 11:34 am

Why stop at a science finding when you can rewrite history as a bonus headline writing opportunity.

Knock Out
August 23, 2018 12:35 pm

What a complete load of tosh. I cannot believe this is the sort of BS which “academia” sanctions these days.

Napoleon was beaten at Waterloo by a better general, and British units (mostly English infantry regiments in an Allied Army) who refused to be intimidated by Napoleonic tactics.

Wellington had, about a week before Waterloo (the incident at the Ball in Brussels), determined where he would meet ‘Boney. He knew the ground at Waterloo; he anticipated ‘Boney’s line of march. He had alternatives in mind too, should Napoleon change his line of march.

The Iron Duke (as he subsequently became known) knew the limitations of his Allied army. He knew he would have to fight a battle that did not require manoeuvre. He knew that most of the Allied contingents could not be relied upon to stand against the French columns and artillery (eg the Dutch who broke before the battle even really started). He calculated the risks, and positioned himself to minimise them while at the same time playing the such strengths (mostly British Army strengths of discipline – no army has a monopoly on courage) as he had.

Wellington knew and understood French tactics. He had beaten the Marshals time and again in the Peninsular War. He was the master of using the reverse slope; he made his men lie down under fire; his infantry regimental officers knew that rate and concentration of musketry above all else won battles. Wellington instilled in his officers and men a complete confidence in his tactical foresight, and above all he made them believe they could win.

On the day of the battle, Wellington’s presence in the frontline (he was almost captured by French cavalry on one occasion, dashing into an infantry square at the last moment) and his steadfast refusal to deploy his reserve until he knew the French were exhausted, despite catastrophic losses in some places in the line (the 27th Inniskilling’s suffered 63% casualties in the centre, the men dying in their square), is what won. He refused to reinforce La Haye Sainte and Hougoumont, he was miserly everywhere else.

As Wellington himself reportedly said afterwards “…they came up in the same old way, and we sent them away in the same old way…”. He kept his army in hand (except for the British cavalry, which notoriously could never be kept in hand once it charged), and he timed his counter-attack to perfection. That is what shattered to French – when the saw the Guards crumble under British infantry fire, and then routed by cavalry, they knew they were beaten. Wellington was also gracious enough to honour Napoleon and the French Army by saying it was a “near run thing”. That is a general speaking who knows his own limitations, but also knows he won…

The weather had absolutely FA to do with the result.

Wellington had won Waterloo without the Prussians arriving – they simply turned a victory into a (very useful) rout. Napoleon, who held Wellington in contempt as “the Sepoy general”, had learned (as had his Marshals in Spain and Portugal) India was a proving ground for great general officers (go and look up Assaye and the Mahratta Wars if you doubt that). Sepoys were great soldiers in their own right, worthy of being led by great generals and Wellington is not the only great British general to have learned his trade in India. I digress, but anyone who thinks the contrary should look up the various sub-continental wars of the 19th Century and the magnificent contributions of the Indian Army to the Allied cause in two World Wars.

I’m now really riled up as you can probably tell – but I am sick unto death of pseudo-academics coming up with utter BS, and the great unwashed sucking it all up because they really are too ill-educated to know better. This sort of revisionist BS is the way civilisation falls ultimately. When people who are too thick to be permitted an opinion are allowed to broadcast it for consumption by the rest of the retarded herd….

Have at me now, I care not.

Sgt
Reply to  Knock Out
August 23, 2018 1:33 pm

Knock Out,

Only 36% of the troops in the Anglo-Allied army at Waterloo were British (English, Welsh, Scottish and Irish). The rest all spoke one dialect or another of German (Hanoverians, Netherlander, Walloon and Flemish).

Netherlandish-Belgian troops saved the day at Quatres Bras and again at Waterloo. When the line of the British and German infantry was broken there
by Nappy’s Middle Guard, the situation became critical. Wellington ordered General Chasse to bring his Netherland division quickly.

The “Dutch” line held until shot to pieces by overwhelming French musketry and cannon fire. Two militia battalions did break, after witnessing such slaughter, endured by brigades already more than decimated at QB. But the third militia battalion, held in reserve, rallied them to stop the French. Due to his wounds from QB, its commander had himself tied onto his horse rather than go into hospital.

http://napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Waterloo_Cowards.html

Wellington did not win Waterloo without the Prussians. Long before Bluecher arrived, his men were fighting French Guardsmen at Plancenoit. Without Napoleon’s need to divert those elite soldiers to hold off the Prussians, the Emperor’s afternoon attacks would have succeeded, as they almost did without them.

http://napolun.com/mirror/napoleonistyka.atspace.com/Imperial_Guard_at_Waterloo.htm

Wellington was a good general, often thought to be defensive minded, but he had previously demonstrated the ability to attack as well, in India and Iberia.

However, Napoleon lost because of his own mistakes, including those made before the campaign began. But even if he had beaten the Anglo-Allied and Prussian armies, he was doomed yet again, since the coalition wouldn’t have given up. Austria. Russia and smaller German states would have returned, plus probably Sweden and Denmark, and united with the remnants of the British, Allied and Prussian armies, once more to crush the French.

Knock Out
Reply to  Sgt
August 23, 2018 1:55 pm

Not arguing too hard – I wrote in high dudgeon. Either way the outcome had nothing to do with the weather or volcanoes.

Wellington beat Napoleon because he was the better general on the day. He played to his army’s strengths, and minimised the exposure of his Allied forces weaknesses. Longford’s Years of the Sword is still the very best complete work on Wellington. Holmes is good too, but more generic.

The Anglo-Allied army was made up of 26,000 British, who had a core of veteran soldiers; 31,000 Germans which included 5,100 King’s German Legion, who were experienced and highly trained; 12,000 Hanoverians some of whom had received only basic training; 5,450 Brunswickers, who were young and inexperienced, but who had proved their quality at Quatre Bras on 16 June; 7,200 Nassauers, who were again untried and an unknown quality; and finally 15,200 Dutch and Belgian troops, of whom Wellington expected little and suspected their loyalty as many had previously served with the French army. Wellington divided the forces into corps.

based on WD, xii, 486-7 © University of Southampton

Sgt
Reply to  Knock Out
August 23, 2018 2:17 pm

By your accounting, that’s ~38% rather than 36% British-Irish.

Yes, Hooky made fewer mistakes than did Nappy at Waterloo and QB. So that means theDuke was the better general during that campaign, despite the Emperor’s having humbugged him at the outset.

Knock Out
Reply to  Sgt
August 24, 2018 5:38 am

As I said, I am not arguing too hard.

You will however also appreciate how the balance of infantry were engaged throughout the day. The main fighting fell on the British and Hanoverians.

The Dutch-Belgian contingents were mostly spared exposure as (with notable exceptions), they were considered unreliable. The British regiments were interspersed along the main line of the ridge to “stiffen” things, ably assisted by the Hanoverians.

This is not to detract from the fact that the army was an Allied army and the British units made up only around a third of it. All units engaged (even those Dutch/Belgian units which broke quite early and were pulled back to regroup) fought well.

The way he approached dispositions is another example of Wellington’s capabilities – he knew how to fight with European Allies eg from Portugal and Spain. He knew how to get the best out of both his British regiments and his Allies. He knew who to protect as far as possible and who could take the pounding.

Napoleon is on balance probably the greatest general Europe saw post-Renaissance and before WW2. I suspect he would have fitted right in, intellectually speaking, with the likes of Manstein, Rommel and Guderian.

He was better than the great French Marshals of the late 17th and early-mid 18th century like Turenne, Louis (‘Le Grande Conde”), de Saxe and Louis (Duc de Vendome), and Marlborough or Eugene. He trumps Wallenstein or King Gustav Adolph Wasa of the early/mid-17th Century.

It’s uncontroversial that few could move armies like Napoleon did. His Austerlitz campaign is brilliant, as was that before Marengo and the Jena/Auerstadt campaign. March divided fight united taken to a new level. But it is also forgotten that Wellington was a master of strategic manoeuvre and logistics. And very patient.

In the end, they were a two well-matched generals on the day – Wellington’s gambles paid off, Boney’s didn’t. Wellington himself acknowledged that by saying it was a “near run thing”.

Whatever you might think, a blasted volcano in Indonesia had precisely nothing to do with the outcome – the idiot who came up with this paper should have his funding withdrawn. That’d stop him spewing nonsense.

JCalvertN(UK)
August 23, 2018 12:55 pm

This is complete rot. Napoleon lost at Waterloo because he was a serial loser.

Not content with his catastrophic losses in Egypt (a mere 15,000 French troops killed in action and 15,000 by disease), he then attacked the Iberian peninsula and managed to lose several hundred thousand troops. While that was going on, he simultaneously decided to invade Russia (no doubt deluding himself that he would be welcomed with garlands, rose petals and hot Russian women!) That debacle cost France 210,000 dead, 150,000 wounded, and 50,000 deserted.

So Waterloo with his 41,000 casualties must have seemed like a walk in the park – except that he only fielded 71,000 troops in the first place. And 41/72 = 58% – is not a good casualty rate.

And yet he is still highly regarded in some circles! Wonders never cease.

ResourceGuy
August 23, 2018 1:19 pm

So it was a volcano that triggered the sale of sovereign lands by the French with pressure by budget analysts and recorded as the Louisiana Purchase?

pochas94
August 23, 2018 2:06 pm

It’s plausible. Negative space charge will decrease the repulsion between negatively charged droplets, and this might produce an episode of rain, but a whole season? Possibly. Can anybody point to a site where space charge at altitude is measured regularly, as for example by weather balloons? This might be important.

Editor
August 23, 2018 4:01 pm

global rainfall was lower during the eruption than either period before or after“. So the rain after the eruption was caused by the eruption, and the rain before the eruption was caused by ….. ???

Sgt
Reply to  Mike Jonas
August 23, 2018 4:15 pm

Besides which, the eruption was still going on in June, although not as explosively as in April.

So, globally at least, if not locally, rainfall should have been lower then.

In any case, rain in France and Belgium in June isn’t unusual. However the rainstorm of June 17 and the morning of the 18th brought an unusually heavy downpour.

https://englishhistoryauthors.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-battle-of-waterloo-did-weather.html

The article by Dennis Wheeler and Gaston Demarée, “The weather of the Waterloo campaign 16 to 18 1815,” cites passages from those who had firsthand experience in the battle.

An excerpt from a letter written by Private William Wheeler of the 51st Kings Infantry reads, “…[a]nd as it began to rain the road soon became very heavy…the rain increased, the thunder and lightning approached nearer, and with it came the enemy…the rain beating with violence, the guns roaring, repeated bright flashes of lightning attended with tremendous volleys of Thunder that shook the very earth…”

Private John Lewis of the 95th Rifles wrote, “…[t]he rain fell so hard that the oldest soldiers there never saw the like…”

Napoleon planned his attack for 8 A.M., but some experts believe it was closer to eleven that he struck. Besides the wet ground slowing the progress of Napoleon’s heavy artillery, one must consider that cannon shot was meant to fall short of the target and skip along the ground to do the most damage. Under muddy conditions, the effectiveness of the weapon was compromised. The cavalry could not easily move forward. Captain Cotter of the South Lincolnshire regiment spoke of, “…[m]ud through which we sank more than ankle deep….” The cavalry’s charge was slowed from a gallop to a canter. A mist rose and mixed with gun smoke. Winds, however, did not sweep away the “veritable fog of war.”

The French infantry at last heading for the Anglo-Dutch lines crossed through fields of wet rye. Muskets and rifles which had been loaded before the march would no doubt have misfired because of damp powder. Napoleon’s assault would have suffered more than Wellington’s defensive lines under such conditions.

Peter
August 23, 2018 4:03 pm

Did the volcano/weather cause Napoleon’s defeat or drive Wellington and the Allies’ victory?

Same event, same outcome, different narrative.

Kenneth Allen
August 23, 2018 4:04 pm

I am a bit confused. Because of a dearth of weather records in 1815 (Tambora) the authors used Krakatau (1883) as a surrogate. But, the evidence shows less rain around the time of the Krakatau eruption, not more rain. Tambora erupted in mid April and Waterloo was fought in mid June – two months apart.

August 23, 2018 4:42 pm

A humorous take on all this.
(A volcano is not mentioned.)

***Please note that the Web designer is not American and blaming the Web designer for America’s history is illogical. Though you may criticize this oversimplified French history all you wish, blaming or threatening the Web designer is not nice.

We are still accepting submissions from history researchers.
Last update: May 4, 2005.

– Gallic Wars
– Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian. [Or at ths time in history, a Roman -ed.]

– Hundred Years War
– Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; “France’s armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman.” Sainted.

– Italian Wars
– Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

– Wars of Religion
– France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

– Thirty Years War
– France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

– War of Revolution
– Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

– The Dutch War
– Tied

– War of the Augsburg League/King William’s War/French and Indian War
– Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

– War of the Spanish Succession
– Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

– American Revolution
– In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as “de Gaulle Syndrome”, and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; “France only wins when America does most of the fighting.”

– French Revolution
– Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

– The Napoleonic Wars
– Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

– The Franco-Prussian War
– Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France’s ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

– World War I
– Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States [Entering the war late -ed.]. Thousands of French women find out what it’s like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn’t call her “Fraulein.” Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

– World War II
– Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

– War in Indochina
– Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

– Algerian Rebellion
– Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; “We can always beat the French.” This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

– War on Terrorism
– France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald’s.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be “Can we count on the French?”, but rather “How long until France collapses?”

“Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage.”

Or, better still, the quote from last week’s Wall Street Journal: “They’re there when they need you.”

With only an hour and a half of research, Jonathan Duczkowski provided the following losses:

Norse invasions, 841-911.
After having their way with the French for 70 years, the Norse are bribed by a French King named Charles the Simple (really!) who gave them Normandy in return for peace. Normans proceed to become just about the only positive military bonus in France’s [favour] for next 500 years.

Andrew Ouellette posts this in response:

1066 A.D. William The Conquerer Duke and Ruler of France Launches the Largest Invasion in the history of the world no other was as large until the same trip was taken in reverse on June 6th 1944 William Fights Harold for the Throne of England Which old king Edward rightfully left to William but Harold Usurped the throne Will fights the Saxons (English)wins and the French Rule England for the Next 80 Years. then the French start the largest building and economic infrastructure since the fall of the Roman Empire the Norman Economy skyrockets and the Normans inadvertantly start England to become a major world Power Vive La France-

Matt Davis posts this in response to Andrew Ouellette above:

Oh dear. We seem to have overlooked some basic facts. Firstly, Philip the First (1060 – 1108) was King of France at the time of the Norman invasion of 1066 – William was Duke of Normandy and, incidentally, directly descended from the Vikings. William was, therefore, as alien to France as the experience of victory. Since Philip did not invade England, the victory at Hastings was Norman – not French. Normandy may be a part of France now but it most certainly wasn’t in 1066. Therefore, William’s coronation as King of England had nothing whatsoever to do with the French. As usual, they were nowhere near the place when the fighting was going on. The mistaken belief that 1066 was a French victory leads to the Third Rule of French Warfare; “When incapable of any victory whatsoever – claim someone else’s”.

Mexico, 1863-1864.
France attempts to take advantage of Mexico’s weakness following its thorough thrashing by the U.S. 20 years earlier (“Halls of Montezuma”). Not surprisingly, the only unit to distinguish itself is the French Foreign Legion (consisting of, by definition, non-Frenchmen). Booted out of the country a little over a year after arrival.

Panama jungles 1881-1890.
No one but nature to fight, France still loses; canal is eventually built by the U.S. 1904-1914.

Napoleonic Wars.
Should be noted that the Grand Armee was largely (~%50) composed of non-Frenchmen after 1804 or so. Mainly disgruntled minorities and anti-monarchists. Not surprisingly, these performed better than the French on many occasions.

Haiti, 1791-1804.
French defeated by rebellion after sacrificing 4,000 Poles to yellow fever. Shows another rule of French warfare; when in doubt, send an ally.

India, 1673-1813.
British were far more charming than French, ended up victors. Therefore the British are well known for their tea, and the French for their whine (er, wine…). Ensures 200 years of bad teeth in England.

Barbary Wars, middle ages-1830.
Pirates in North Africa continually harass European shipping in Meditteranean. France’s solution: pay them to leave us alone. America’s solution: kick their asses (“the Shores of Tripoli”). [America’s] first overseas victories, won 1801-1815.

1798-1801, Quasi-War with U.S.
French privateers (semi-legal pirates) attack U.S. shipping. U.S. fights France at sea for 3 years; French eventually cave; sets precedent for next 200 years of Franco-American relations.

Moors in Spain, late 700s-early 800s.
Even with Charlemagne leading them against an enemy living in a hostile land, French are unable to make much progress. Hide behind Pyrennes until the modern day.

French-on-French losses (probably should be counted as victories too, just to be fair):

1208: Albigenses Crusade, French massacared by French.
When asked how to differentiate a heretic from the faithful, response was “Kill them all. God will know His own.” Lesson: French are badasses when fighting unarmed men, women and children.

St. Bartholomew Day Massacre, August 24, 1572.
Once again, French-on-French slaughter.

Third Crusade.
Philip Augustus of France throws hissy-fit, leaves Crusade for Richard the Lion Heart to finish.

Seventh Crusade.
St. Louis of France leads Crusade to Egypt. Resoundingly crushed.

[Eighth] Crusade.
St. Louis back in action, this time in Tunis. See Seventh Crusade.

Also should be noted that France attempted to hide behind the Maginot line, sticking their head in the sand and pretending that the Germans would enter France that way. By doing so, the Germans would have been breaking with their traditional route of invading France, entering through Belgium (Napoleonic Wars, Franco-Prussian War, World War I, etc.). French ignored this though, and put all their effort into these defenses.

Thomas Whiteley has submitted this addition to me:

Seven year War 1756-1763
Lost: after getting hammered by Frederick the Great of Prussia (yep, the Germans again) at Rossbach, the French were held off for the remainder of the War by Frederick of Brunswick and a hodge-podge army including some Brits. War also saw France kicked out of Canada (Wolfe at Quebec) and India (Clive at Plassey).

Richard Mann, an American in France wants to add the following:

The French consider the departure of the French from Algeria in 1962-63, after 130 years on colonialism, as a French victory and especially consider C. de Gaulle as a hero for ‘leading’ said victory over the unwilling French public who were very much against the departure. This ended their colonialism. About 2 million ungrateful Algerians lost their lives in this shoddy affair.

From here: https://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

Sgt
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 23, 2018 4:57 pm

The Albigensians weren’t French yet. And the people of what is now southern France wouldn’t be for centuries. They spoke dialects of Occitan, related to Catalan, not French.

St. Bernadette of Loudres was thought stupid at school, but her problems stemmed from her speaking the Gascon dialect of Occitan, not French.

France had success under Louis XIV, despite John Churchill and Eugene of Savoy.

And France won the 100 Years’ War not just because of the cross-dressing, teenaged girl schizophrenic, but because of its advances in artillery.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Bureau

It also didn’t help that English King Henry VI inherited the madness of his French king grandfather.

Bob boder
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 23, 2018 6:05 pm

Wow that’s worse then the Detroit Lions, I guess there is a French connection there too

Sgt
Reply to  Bob boder
August 23, 2018 6:11 pm

Better than the all time win loss record of the NO Saints.

Susan
Reply to  Gunga Din
August 24, 2018 2:33 pm

I went on a tour of the Tower of London and the Yeoman Warder’s patter included ‘anyone here from France? Put both hands up so we can recognise you!’

August 23, 2018 7:02 pm

Classic false science red herrings.

A) Speculate about Tambora’s eruption effects on Belgium’s weather.
B) Use speculation about Krakatau as support for their Tambora’s speculative eruption effects on Belgium’s weather.
C) Include assumptions about Pinatubo’s eruption.

D) Ignore Napoleon’s illness contribution towards Waterloo battle errors.
E) Ignore Napoleon’s commanders’ poor choices towards battlefield mistakes:
– i) e.g., the Cavalry charge without infantry support
– ii) e.g. 2, Napoleon’s troops chasing von Blucher wilfully failing to “march to the sound of the guns”.

Not to forget:
1) The Coalition Alliance aggressively did not allow Napoleon time to organize and conquer countries one by one.
2) Napoleon escapes Elba in March 1815, Wellington and Coalition forces engage Napoleon at Waterloo on June 18th, 1815.
3) Wellington’s soldiers were well trained.
4) Napoleon’s troops were rushed, poorly trained, and not a unified coordinated fighting force.
5) Wellington’s commanders and troops made effective selections for battlefield position and preparation.
6) Von Blucher’s “marching to the sound of the guns” and timely reinforcing Coalition Alliance troops and positions.
7) Virtually the entire world learned Napoleon’s tactics and use of artillery during Napoleon’s earlier campaigns.

Ignored in most Waterloo discussions, that while France was willing to follow Napoleon, Napoleon was not the confident decisive commanding leader he used to be.
A) Perhaps, lurking at the back of Napoleon’s mind was the defeats these same countries inflicted on Napoleon before sending Napoleon into exile.

a) Ignoring the tendency for horses to whinny in fear when von Blucher’s name is mentioned. (Young Frankenstein). Von Blucher was not known for treating horses well.

Sgt
Reply to  ATheoK
August 23, 2018 7:32 pm

The French also mistreated horses. Their cavalry stank as a result.

So did the British, but in a different way, by bobbing their tails, which in Spain they needed to flick flies.

Reply to  Sgt
August 24, 2018 3:33 pm

If you haven’t watched “Young Frankenstein”, watch it!

Apparently, von Blucher was well known for abusing horses, hence the inclusion into Young Frankenstein as a history footnote in a Mel Blanc comedy.

Sgt
Reply to  ATheoK
August 24, 2018 3:52 pm

I saw it when it came out. Many great scenes.

If Bluecher sexually abused mares (presumably), he wasn’t the only Prussian to do so. I doubt that he did, but one Prussian trooper definitely did.

IIRC, the bestiality-practicing cavalryman was sentenced to death, but homosexual King Frederick the Great pardoned him. You might want to check up on this, since my memory is fading rapidly.

I also don’t know if the tale (!) of Catherine the Great’s equine love-related accidental demise be apocryphal or not.

Sgt
Reply to  ATheoK
August 24, 2018 4:55 pm

According to Brooks (via Snopes), the reference is neither to the Prussian general or German word for “glue”, as pop wisdom has asserted:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/frau-blucher-horses/

Nigel Sherratt
August 24, 2018 1:16 pm

Waterloo 20 June 1815
At last after he had left the town, he found in a little meadow on the right a small bivouac fire made by some soldiers. He stopped by it to warm himself and said to General Corbineau,
“Et bien Monsieur, we have done a fine thing.”
General Corbineau saluted him and replied,
“Sire, it is the utter ruin of France.”

Jardin Ainé; Equerry to the Emperor Napoleon

michael hart
August 24, 2018 5:25 pm

It was a fair fight, and we spanked them. End of.

Sgt
Reply to  michael hart
August 24, 2018 5:40 pm

“We” being British, Irish, Prussian, Netherlandish (including Belgian), Hanoverian, Nassauaer, Brunswicker, etc? The British, even broadly defined, constituted a small portion of the two armies which beat Napoleon.

Not to mention Wellington’s French-American chief of staff. A famous street on Manhattan honors his Tory family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Howe_De_Lancey

Named in honor of the British general occupying NYC until April 1778 (despite having resigned the previous year after the disaster for Britain of Saratoga).

John M. Ware
August 25, 2018 5:08 am

“Vigo Hugo”? Who’s that? I know of literature by Victor Hugo. On the other hand, Terre Haute, IN, is in Vigo County.

August 28, 2018 12:43 am

Ironically, guys like former CIA Director Brennan want more of that year-without-a-summer insanity. in June 2016, on the 200th anniversary of that dreary, Frankenstein summer, Brennan praised efforts like Stratospheric Aerosol Injection (SAI) for cooling down the planet “like volcanoes do.”

Brennan is not known for his intelligence, though he did head an “intelligence” agency. Perhaps he already knows that we live in an Ice Age and that history shows that cooling typically leads to famines and societal collapses — like the Greek Dark Ages (1100-800 BC), the Medieval (post-Roman) Dark Ages (500-850 AD) and the Little Ice Age (1350-1850 AD).

August 29, 2018 6:16 am

Missing the woods for the trees here?? The subject is the volcano, Napoleon was collateral damage.

Funny. If volcanic ash did Napoleaon in in 1815 or 16 – whatever- when there were no coal burning boilers, is it different but achieving similar results now after hundred plus years of coal burning power plants worldwide? Something to think about.