#CarrFire in Northern California so big it is making it’s own weather

Video of a “fire tornado” follows. My friend Kris Kuyper writes on Facebook:

BIG Pyrocumulus clouds now forming above the smoke plume of the #CarrFire!
The dirty part on the bottom is the smoke plume rising from the fire. The intense heating from this rising plume eventually reaches a level in the atmosphere where it can form a cumulus cloud, that’s the white part on top. It’s called a Pyrocumulus Cloud.

Pyrocumulous cloud from the Carr fire Photo taken by Jim Mackensen.

Using Doppler radar, he notes; Tops of the Pyrocumulus cloud over the #CarrFire are now up to 32,000’!

Here is a video of a heat vortex from the Carr Fire. It looks like a tornado, but isn’t. It’s the same mechanism as dust devils and fire whirls that creates this rotating inferno.

Skip Murphy of Redding took this video and writes on Facebook:

In case you were wondering what a fire tornado looks like, this is from Rocky Point School off Lake Blvd. yesterday. No audio, but it sounds like a freight train, punctuated with explosions. Never seen anything like it. At the end of this was when I suddenly realized “Run, fool!” We are fine with friends in Cottonwood (Thanks Craig and Colleen!). Not sure about the house. Prayers upon prayers for our community, and our very brave first responders and firefighters.

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THX112
July 28, 2018 11:40 am

Fire is an electrical plasma. What you’re witnessing is called a birkeland current in an electrical plasma also called a field aligned current. When electricity travels in space it follows a helical path because of the effects of the electromagnetic fields that are generated.

Reply to  THX112
July 28, 2018 1:32 pm

When electricity travels in space it …

Bzzzzt. Dissociated factoids issued w/o regard for required prerequisite conditions ..

Alan J. Perrick
July 28, 2018 11:42 am

“Anti-racists” say there’s a RACE problem. They say it’ll be solved when non-Whites pour into ALL & ONLY White nations and “assimilate” to get a brown mixture.

They say only White nations have this RACE problem; they say non-White nations are fine.

If I object to my own genocide these “anti-racists” say I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they’re anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Alan J. Perrick
July 28, 2018 1:20 pm

how is this on topic exactly?

Factscount
Reply to  Alan J. Perrick
July 29, 2018 8:12 am

And being anti-any-race, is racism. What a rotating fire tornado!!

THX1138
July 28, 2018 11:43 am

Fire is an electrical plasma. What you’re witnessing is called a birkeland current named after Christian birkeland the Norwegian scientist who discovered them. Also called field aligned currents it is the way that electricity travels in space. It follows a helical pattern because of the internal forces of electrical and magnetic fields.

Kenji
July 28, 2018 12:03 pm

What/who started this fire? It appears to me that the State no longer pursues arson investigation and prosecution … since we all know, now, that global warming CAUSES wildfires … What the hell has become to my country!?

goldminor
Reply to  Kenji
July 28, 2018 1:25 pm

The Carr fire was caused by a malfunction on someone’s vehicle. So I would assume that if they know that that they also know who the owner is of that vehicle.

July 28, 2018 12:03 pm

Classic Homer Simpson Doh! moments.

Amass a large enough amount of flammable material that when ignited, it appears to create it’s own weather effects.
A) The fire draws in greater and greater amounts of air for sustaining the fire with oxygen.
B) Fires cause convection of an accelerated schedule.
C) Incoming winds, convection draw and coriolis influence cause rising columns of hot air to rotate.

Without supercell air circulation and jet stream influences, firenados are simple dire devils.

There are many times in recorded history when man caused or experienced blazes that initiated local weather effects.

* 1) Dresden firebombing in 1945
* 2) Chinese capital of Chongqing firebombed in 1939
* 3) Firebombing British cities during the blitz, e.g. Coventry firebombing in 1940
* 4) Tokyo firebombing in 1945

Most of these firebombings were planned to utilize local weather to maximize the fires.

Other major fires in urban centers had the misfortune of fire ignition occurring during weather that aids the blaze:
* 1) The Great London fire in 1666
* 2) The Chicago fire in 1871
* 3) The San Francisco fire caused by the 1906 Earthquake

Other fires throughout civilizations history occurred and in many places convinced local populations to build with stone or brick. Only, many of those locations no longer require building with nonflammable masonry.

Forests are natural firetraps. As fallen debris pile up, it is advantageous and supports many of a forests smaller creatures. When the fallen decris builds too large a cache, that debris can sustain a large hot fire that sterilizes Earth’s surface layers and cooks the cambium layers in trees whose naturally fire resistant bark normally protects them.

While it is easiest to point out places where man’s interaction with forests resulted in disastrous fires; one must understand that nature if perfectly capable of igniting forests without man’s aid.

* Example 1) “Naturalist Henry David Thoreau, though known as the Sage of Walden, accidentally, but carelessly, sparked a life-threatening fire that blighted 300 acres in 1844, while he was cooking fish in the Concord, MA woods.”

* Example 2) “The Miramichi Fire – 1825; cause unknown.

* Example 3) “During the late summer of 1910, a searing drought combined with high-velocity August windstorms to create a fiery holocaust in the forests of the Pacific Northwest. The fires also laid a major challenge at the feet of the newly established U.S. Forest Service, which was charged with fighting the fires.”

“In mid-August, a lightning storm ignited the largest and longest-burning of Oregon’s 1910 fires on the Crater National Forest (now Rogue River-Siskiyou). More than fifteen large fires (over 1,000 acres) burned both east and south of Medford. The rapidly spreading Brushy Hill Fire in the Siskiyou Mountains a few miles from Ashland caused merchants to close their businesses, and all able-bodied men “assembled on the fireline to save the city.” While leading an inexperienced crew of townsmen, Ranger Claude Dubois, whose hands were badly burned, reportedly went without sleep for fifty-five hours.

In the Cascade Range, a fire burned much of the South Fork of the Rogue River Canyon near Prospect, and another torched several thousand acres of dense forest west of Union Creek. Careless berry-pickers caused a large fire on Huckleberry Mountain, just west of Crater Lake National Park, and arsonists set blazes close to the town of Butte Falls.

The Cat Hill fire east of Butte Falls was the biggest conflagration in the Crater National Forest. Burning at least 30,000 acres, the fire swept from the slopes of Mount McLoughlin northward along the spine of the Cascades. The Oregonian described the situation at Cat Hill as “almost like a tremendous explosion, scattering sheets of flame in all directions.” Forest Supervisor Martin Erickson and his crew of Greek railroad laborers took refuge in the shallow Twin Ponds “to keep from being roasted.” Arriving at the Medford depot in the smoke-filled Rogue Valley on August 20, companies E and M of the 1st Infantry headed to join firefighters at Cat Hill and elsewhere.

In many cases, firefighting efforts simply helped deflect the flame fronts from ranches, towns, and valuable stands of timber. The fires were not successfully suppressed until the fall rains provided relief.”

Example 3’s fires initiated America’s aggressive fire detection and suppression program that allowed fallen debris in forests to build into very dangerous amounts; leaving a legacy of recent fires that remind man that fallen forest debris needs to me maintained at safe levels.

* Example 4) “Silverton Fire in 1868, Oregon; Worst recorded fire in state’s history”

* Example 5) Canada Forest fires: “Based on data in the National Forestry Database, over 8000 fires occur each year, and burn an average of over 2.1 million hectares. Also, lightning causes about 50% of all fires but accounts for about 85% of the annual area burned.”

Lynn Wood
Reply to  ATheoK
July 28, 2018 1:08 pm

The Allies learned how to cause a firestorm in the bombing of German cities in the European theater of WWll. This knowledge was used in the incendiary bombing of most of the urban areas of Japan during the Second World War. Firestorms were intentionally created, at the height of the American B29 bombing campaign, Japanese cities were being burned by the tens of square miles a night with casualty rates exceeding that of the Atomic Bomb drops. (which, in an aside, were determined to be duds!!!) But relax, now we have neutron bombs able to leave cities intact but sterile of all life forms.

[Duds?????? .mod]

Reply to  Lynn Wood
July 28, 2018 1:25 pm

Cite? Or is this a contemporary conclusion drawn from a simple cursory review of known historical events?

Reply to  Lynn Wood
July 30, 2018 10:45 am

Utter nonsense.

“Overall, by Sahr Conway-Lanz’s calculation, the US firebombing campaign destroyed 180 square miles of 67 cities, killed more than 300,000 people and injured an additional 400,000, figures that exclude the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki which took 140,000 lives by the end of 1945.”

67 cities firebombed for a grand total of 180 sq. miles with an unknown total amount of raids to achieve that total.
That works out to 2.6 sq. miles per city. An average remarkably close to what successful firebombing raids accomplished.

The largest firestorm caused by bombing was also the first firebombing of Tokyo, which burned 15 sq. miles over a period of 6 hours. A small percentage of Tokyo.
Firebombing missions in Japan took advantage of the winds to drive fires, instead of initiating a fire maelstrom; e.g. Tokyo’s akakaze, the red wind that sweeps with gale force across the Tokyo plain.

“Hiroshima was attacked on 6 August. At 8:15 am local time the B-29 Enola Gay, piloted by Tibbets, dropped the “Little Boy” atomic bomb over the center of the city. The resulting explosion killed tens of thousands of people and destroyed about 4.7 square miles (12 km2) of buildings. The six American aircraft involved in this attack returned safely to the Marianas.

“The second atomic bomb attack was made on 9 August. On this day, the B-29 Bockscar was dispatched to attack Kokura with the “Fat Man” bomb. The city was found to be covered in smoke and haze, however; as a result, the plane’s pilot, Major Charles Sweeney, decided to attack the secondary target of Nagasaki instead. The bomb was dropped at 10:58 am local time, and the resulting 20 kiloton explosion destroyed 1.45 square miles (3.8 km2) of buildings in the Urakami district. Official Japanese figures issued in the late 1990s state the total number of people killed as a result of this attack exceeded 100,000″

That is without counting deaths caused by nuclear weapons, following the war.

Facts which put into perspective your incendiary claims. The duds are your claims.

The allies learned firebombing from the Germans who actively firebombed England’s cities early in the war. As I mention above; look up the Coventry firebombings.

Firebombing Japan’s cities was a tactic that grew out of knowledge from two major sources:
A) Europe’s proof that firebombing cities works.
B) The painful discovery made during the island hopping campaign, that fire was one of the most effective weapons for dealing with a deeply entrenched foe, who believed:
* Surrender was an absolute loss of honor,
* Death was more honorable than surrender,
* Futile suicidal final efforts to kill/maim/destroy/damage Allies was preferable to surrender; as well demonstrated by the Kamikaze campaigns.

Aiding that decision was the development of the gasoline filled weapons that would be known as napalm, for use by Allied ground attack and support aircraft.

After the atomic bombs were dropped, leaflets were dropped, to warn Japanese citizens that until Japan’s surrender, bombing and firebombing raids would continue.
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“Translation of WWII Japanese warning leaflets. Courtesy of The National WWII Museum:

TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:

America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by men. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29’s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our President has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender: We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES”

F. Ross
July 28, 2018 12:03 pm

The still image is both hypnotically beautiful and terrifying at the same time.

Juan Slayton
July 28, 2018 12:04 pm

MODS:
A. J. Perrick at 11:42 seems to have the wrong thread or (more likely) the wrong blog.

Lynn Wood
July 28, 2018 12:08 pm

check out
earth.nullschool.net
for a larger perspective
a map of the earth showing local temperatures and winds
across all land and ocean

Jerrell Strawn
July 28, 2018 12:14 pm

Global warming.

Ricardoh
July 28, 2018 12:21 pm

Fires are not started with spontaneous combustion in dry hot grass. Look at the numbers of fires we have in the west in the last couple of years compared to 50 years ago. I believe arsonist are at work.

mike6080
July 28, 2018 12:28 pm

what percentage of fires there are caused by illegals or domestic terrorists

THX1138
Reply to  mike6080
July 29, 2018 8:27 am

Or fire ants for that matter!

BERNIEwasRAPED
July 28, 2018 12:36 pm

I built my house on the side of an active volcano…. WHY IS THERE LAVA IN MY LIVINGROOM?!?!?

I built my house in a place that has had natural wildfires for hundreds of thousands of years… WHY IS MY HOME A HEAP OF CHARCOAL?!?!?

I built my house in an artificially watered and air-conditioned desert… WHY IS IT SO HOT OUTSIDE!?!?!?!

idiots

Reply to  BERNIEwasRAPED
July 28, 2018 1:22 pm

Actually, I think he “took one” for the team …

SASS
July 28, 2018 1:09 pm

Just a heads up folks; down here in So. Ca~ via: San Diego county/ Riverside county/ San Bernardino county–‘a man was arrested Wednesday’ and it was reported that he started 9 fires with in a 3 day spree. His name is reportedly being a “Brandon McGlover” which is very Irish name in nationality. The guy’s photo would suggest otherwise– he’s “not a African American/ and or Mexican” but some other race– dark skin tone, dark brown eyes, black hair and very prominent and striking features etc. etc. “JUST SAYIN” please do not shoot the messenger.

I saw this guys photo, and in reading his “very un-likely real name” ?!?! I believe there is a ring of arsonists hitting the Western US because its all happening with in the last two 1/2 weeks and/ or the beginning of July. Colorado, Yellowstone, now here in Ca….. where to next?

Just like with Greece…., they seem targeted.

Prayers to fallen…, glad this man/ arsonist ‘BRANDON’ got caught and arrested.

July 28, 2018 1:12 pm

Hmmm …. new site format Anthony? Been awhile since I could literally “see”, but the vision issues are quickly being relegated to the rear view mirror …

Back on topic, one word response:

“Meteotron”.

July 28, 2018 1:13 pm

Oh – and did Reed Timmer show up for this one?

July 28, 2018 1:18 pm

How does the “Solving Tornadoes” guy explain this phenom?

July 28, 2018 1:28 pm

French “Meteotron” event, experiment:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10531-cloud-making-experiment-reaps-a-whirlwind/

Opening:

A French scientist, J. Dessens of the Observatoire du Puy de Dome, Clermont University, reports in Nature the discovery by accident of a way to make tornadoes artificially – and therefore of a means of studying the conditions under which they arise.

On a plateau in the south of France the Observatory built an apparatus which was originally intended for making artificial cumulus clouds. It is called the Meteotron and consists of an array of 100 burners spaced over an area rather larger than a football field. Fuel is pumped into them and, together, they consume about a ton of oil a minute, producing the very considerable power of some 700,000 kilowatts. In operation the device produces a think column of black smoke that permits observations of the resulting upward air currents.

yarpos
July 28, 2018 1:41 pm

History repeating and echoing around the world. Dont manage the fuel load and it is only a matter of time.

Reply to  yarpos
July 28, 2018 2:15 pm

Meanwhile, lumber prices are at an all-time high …

Factscount
Reply to  yarpos
July 29, 2018 8:08 am

If you don’t manage the fuel load, nature will do it for you.

Ira Titilinger
July 28, 2018 2:07 pm

Californication is being punished.

Lane Eby
July 28, 2018 2:16 pm

Yeah…. This is nothing new. If you lived in Calif in the 70’s 80’s or even the 90’s when we had wet seasons we always had these type of fires. It’s because you have fuel that grows in the rainy season and dries in the spring and early summer. Then burns in the late summer early fall until the rain starts again. Cycle of life. Too many Calif people have short term memories.

Please don’t say this is global warming. this is California pre man. In fact, California Redwoods have evolved over 100 thousands to utilize this cycle. Their seeds will not germinate without fire

Factscount
July 28, 2018 2:34 pm

Will this fire episode add to the Global Warming Crisis??

Reply to  Factscount
July 28, 2018 3:25 pm

In the minds of some, no doubt.

VendicarKahn
July 28, 2018 3:32 pm

Hold on… If the Earth is so big man can’t change the weather the how can a wildfire caused by man change the weather?

Yooozer loozers be so confuseders.

Ron Johnson
Reply to  VendicarKahn
July 28, 2018 7:55 pm

Look up “macro” and “micro”…

Jim Mackensen
July 28, 2018 3:39 pm

For accuracy, I, Jim Mackensen, did not take the picture of the smoke column. I saw it an a blog site with no attribution and copied and pasted to to another blog site. I do not know who took the photo.

Gary Clifford Schroeder
July 28, 2018 3:53 pm

if GOD keeps burning up our TREE
will they all be gone forever
grandkids without grass, trees and sky

Linda Goodman
July 28, 2018 3:58 pm

Fires burning so hot they’re melting steel and other impossible effects and disturbing anomalies that only conform to directed energy weapons. I know that’s like stating in 2001 that the twin tower collapses and building 7 sure looked like controlled demolition. But no, don’t believe the 2nd law of thermodynamics or your lyin’ eyes or you might be labeled a ‘conspiracy theorist’. I’ll take my chances and honor the facts, one of which is, diabolical s*it happens.

Cui Bono? Many [most?] areas of California burnt and burning are included in the Agenda 2030 UNSD plan. And most property owners can’t rebuild, thanks to prohibitive ‘climate change’ restrictions, so they’re selling their land for pennies on the dollar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhHOMU-IhHA
California Gets Cooked

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