Guest ridicule by David Middleton
From “The Stupid, It Burns” files…
Mayor issues directive on climate change
The Commission says the city should plan for 3-feet of sea level rise by the mid (mid-what?)
By: Nikki Schenfeld
Posted: Jul 16, 2018HONOLULU (KHON2) – The City of Honolulu’s Climate Change Commission presented the “Sea Level Rise Guidance and Climate Change Brief” to Mayor Kirk Caldwell on July 16, prompting him to sign a directive requiring all departments and agencies under his jurisdiction, to take action to prevent sea level rise.
The Commission says the city should plan for 3-feet of sea level rise by the mid-century and if action isn’t taken now, nearly 4,000 structures on Oahu would be flooded, and nearly 18 miles of coastal roads would become impassable.
“The sea is rising, we see it all around our island, everyday everyone in this room, when you go to the beach everyone sees the erosion,” Mayor Caldwell said.
“If you take no action and we live with the consequences, then what happens to Waikiki?” he added. “Our largest industry $15 billion in revenue—what happens? If we don’t take action now we’ll have worse consequences later.”
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“The Commission says the city should plan for 3-feet of sea level rise by the mid-century”… I guess, in all fairness, they didn’t say which century…
1.48 mm/yr = 0.058 in/yr —> 3 ft in 618 years. 2636 is mid-century-ish… Mid 27th century.
If the islands are further under water, does that make them more stable? Maybe, make them less likely to tip over? Maybe sea level rise is a good thing? Will have to call Hank Johnson’s office and ask. /sarc
I think they should ask everyone to send them the 500 million straws we are supposed to use everyday and re-purpose them into a seawall.
Islands built by volcanoes are of a density greater than the surrounding crust material. That is, the Hawaiian Islands are sitting unstably upon less dense material, thus they are sinking very slowly.
IIRC, the islands are unstable lava rubble. Check out the underwater shots of the lava oozing into the water and breaking up into loose boulders.
The islands will erode and sink as the source of their creation moves on.
The volcanic activity to increase island elevation to combat sea level rise seems to be working.
But sea level rose 400 feet during the melt of the last glacial period. How does the mayor think the beaches got there in the first place? Just call in the magic sky fairies to make more beaches, duh.
Well, they did “magically” find Oboma’s Birth Certificate in Hawaii !! LOL
A mayor is not a scientist. They rely on the experts. They are being led astray, you can hardly blame them. Now when he talks about erosion, he has a point. There is something they can do about that. We have seen some good articles on WUWT regarding erosion prevention in the past.
Today, it is clear to all normal people that the climate is catastrophically changing and brutal action is needed, such as fusion and LENR developments acceleration and geoengineering. The Mayor Issues Directive on Climate Change demonstrates that there are still normal people and organizations.
Mihaly,
You forgot the /sarc tag….
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Hi Griff
Maybe the mayor can issue an edict making LENR a reality instead of a scam, like, uh, CAGW.
OMG, the world is falling apart, and it’s Globull Warming w’at dun it !! !!!
“Part of Grand Teton National Park near Yellowstone supervolcano closed after massive fissure opens”
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/07/18/massive-fissure-prompts-closure-at-grand-teton-national-park-near-yellowstone-supervolcano.html
They just need to apply some good old Rep. Hank Johnson logic. More people need to just move to the Kahuku area, so that the island lists to the North. That way the sea shore in Honolulu rises and they don’t need to spend all of that money to move roads, raise buildings etc.
Problem solved…
Just by the by what is the Mayor’s forecast on the net effect of Volcanic activity seeing as land is being gained as we speak????
Wrong mayor.
“The City of Honolulu’s Climate Change Commission presented the “Sea Level Rise Guidance and Climate Change Brief” to Mayor Kirk Caldwell on July 16, prompting him to sign a directive requiring all departments and agencies under his jurisdiction, to take action to prevent sea level rise.”
Why, whenever I read these sorts of news items, does my mind immediately think of King Canute? I really enjoyed 5th grade World History.
I better title would be “Roadmap for Manipulation of Area Real Estate Market”
Doesn’t matter. Took action.
Hereinafter abbreviated DMTA. For use in labeling the virtue-signaling of politicians everywhere.
Such DMTA work abounds and also serves as a required step for those serving as officers in the governmental policy councils with assorted backslapping, award giving, and carbon-intensive travels.
I’m now reminded of the short story “Action Will Be Taken”.
Erosion is what happens everywhere ask the New Jersey “Shore” Communities how they deal with the problem—–they reconstruct the beaches. IT IS CAUSE BY WAVE ACTION DUE TO WIND EFFECTS. And to think I actually wanted to retire there—-whew!!
Mods why do I have to reenter by info again. Also getting the can’t find the page BS again.
I guess Google found out I sent Anthony $100.
Don’t POST THE LAST COMMENT MODS
From the KHON2 link:
“There’s $12.9 billion of property at risk from the 3.2 foot of sea level rise,” said Josh Stanbro, Honolulu’s Chief Resilience Officer.
I have never heard of a Chief Resilience Officer, especially one who can forecast 80 years out to the first decimal place.
Should I be worried?
A nice example of a sinecure.
“Chief Resilience Officer” otherwise known as a CROnie.
Honolulu’s Climate Change Commission: Makena Coffman, PH.D., Charles (Chip) Fletcher, Ph.D.,Victoria Keener, Ph.D. and Bettina Mehnert, FAIA, LEED AP O+M. Looks like they have a job for life. I want to know what happens if the sea doesn’t reach the 3 ft mark?
So… No one in this “esteemed” group of intellectuals was capable of basic arithmetic?
NASA has stopped updating it sea level graph, hasn’t updated since February …. nice ‘pause’ is sea level happening
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
Univ of Colorado has also stopped Update their sea level graphs
http://sealevel.colorado.edu
David,
It must be that last little bit from 2011 on that is demonstrating the acceleration.
Surely if that trend line were extended, it might show where their 3′ is coming from.
That would not surprise me… LOL!
Nary a chart reader among them. Move along.
The new bumper sticker…..
Question LEED-certified Authority.
From post: “1.48 mm/yr = 0.058 in/yr —> 3 ft in 618 years. 2636 is mid-century-ish… Mid 27th century.”
…and assumes the linear trend in the graph (er, the data) will continue, unabated. I don’t get that.
An assumption that a 120-year long trend continues is much more likely than assuming it wull suddenly go asymptotic.
For Honolulu sea level to rise 3′ between now and mid-21st century (2150), it would have to rise at a rate of 29 mm/yr starting this year.
To David Middleton, I like a graph that gives the confidence intervals for the slope (and intercept if that is relevant). Can you send this graph to his Highness, the Honorable mayor? He might actually look at it before throwing it out.
Will the “stupidity” never end ?
“Sea level rise could put the Internet underwater, says study”
Seriously ? Because CAGW ?
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/whats-up-in-climate-change-internet-underwater-sea-level-rise-elderly-cognitive-decline-green-spaces-mental-health-global-heat-wave-belief-americans-hottest-temperature-record/106747/
What fantasy world are these people living on ? Nick or Steve’s ?
D’OH !
Ha ha ha, that is a good one. The “journalist” is essentially saying that if all the lower lying coastal communities are flooded by sea level rise, YOUR INTERNET INFRASTRUCTURE WILL GET SUBMERGED! Right. So will your homes, your yards, your water mains, your water treatment plant, the lower sections of your condo high rises, your hotels and grocery stores, your gas stations, your parks, your mass transit, your subway, and all the cars whose owners were too stupid to drive them to higher ground, your roads, your parking lots, your airports, your sports stadiums, possibly your place of employment, your bridges, your sewers, your electricity lines and poles and even your beaches. BUT THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IS YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION. Ha ha ha.
And if all that happens (there is no evidence that it will, Antarctica would have to melt, and it just can’t while it’s sitting where it sits at the South Pole and all), a lot of people would still want to live next to the new beaches that form at the new waterline.
I forgot to mention your Bed, Bath and Beyond stores would get flooded, too, as would all your other lesser big box stores. h/t Trey Parker
And your feet might get wet, too, if you don’t get off your a** and get out of the way!
Perhaps someone should explain to him about tides?
If he didn’t see the sea rising “all around our island, everyday,” he wouldn’t be on an island.
Alternate theory:
Sea Level is not rising; Land Level is falling. The immense weight of all the construction added in the last 50 years, and freshly-deposited lava, and millions upon millions of pounds of overweight residents (all that pork you know) is causing the base of the island to push further down into the seabed.
Which in turn is squeezing more lava out of the volcanoes, removing supporting pressure from below like letting air our of an air mattress… creating a vicious cycle.z
Yes, friends, Hawaii is sinking like an overfilled refugee boat.
They need to lighten the above-sea-level mass of the island, then it can spring back up to its “normal” height. Starting with making that mayor swim to the mainland.
As easily proved as their cockamamie “sea level rise” theory, and just as well supported by observable data.