Does Global Warming increase total atmospheric water vapor (TPW)?

By Andy May

Some have speculated that the distribution of relative humidity would remain roughly constant as climate changes (Allen and Ingram 2002). Specific humidity can be thought of as “absolute” humidity or the total amount of water vapor in the atmosphere. We will call this amount “TPW” or total precipitable water with units of kg/m2. As temperatures rise, the Clausius-Clapeyron relationship states that the equilibrium vapor pressure above the oceans should increase and thus, if relative humidity stays the same, the total water vapor or specific humidity will increase. The precise relationship between specific humidity and temperature in the real world is unknown but is estimated to be between 0.6 to 18% (10-90%ile range) per degree Celsius from global climate model results (Allen and Ingram 2002).

Carl Mears and colleagues (Mears, et al. 2018) have recently published a satellite microwave brightness record of TPW from 1988 to 2017 showing TPW, over the world’s ice-free oceans, increasing in lockstep with global mean temperature. This surprised me since Benestad (Benestad 2016), (Partridge, Arking and Pook 2009), (Miskolczi 2014) and (Miskolczi 2010) have previously reported that TPW, as computed from weather balloon data, has gone down recently, although their time periods were earlier and longer than the record shown in Mears, et al.

CO2 does not have a large direct effect on temperature, Ramathan and Coakley estimated that the direct effect of doubling CO2, with no feedbacks, would cause temperatures to rise 1.2°C, which is no big deal (Ramanathan and Coakley 1978). Water vapor is a much more powerful greenhouse gas, it has twice the radiative effect (or “greenhouse” effect) of CO2 according to Pierrehumbert (Pierrehumbert 2011) and transports thermal energy around the Earth in ocean currents and as latent heat in water vapor via atmospheric convection. If adding man-made CO2 to the atmosphere somehow, directly or indirectly, causes the amount of atmospheric water vapor to increase, then this “feedback” could cause temperatures to rise more than we would see from adding CO2 alone. Water vapor is the dominant greenhouse gas, according to (Soden, et al. 2005). Likewise, if adding CO2 somehow caused water vapor to decrease or some reflective clouds to increase, the resulting negative feedback could cause temperatures to go down or stay the same. No one really knows how much water vapor feedback, or even if it is positive or negative, is occurring. For this reason, there is considerable interest in determining the current atmospheric water vapor trend.

Figure 1 shows the NCEP weather reanalysis version 1 (Kalnay, et al. 1996) total specific humidity converted to kg/m2 up to about 8 km (300 mb) as an orange line. This value is based mostly upon weather balloon, surface data and after-the-fact analysis of weather using a global weather (not climate) forecasting model. The yellow line is from the NCEP reanalysis 2 global weather model (Kanamitsu, et al. 2002), it provides a total atmosphere TPW estimate, but only goes back to 1979. The gray line is the HADCRUT version 4 global surface temperature anomaly and the blue line is the RSS ice-free ocean TPW estimate from satellite microwave measurements. The RSS estimate is much higher presumably because it only uses samples over oceans that have no sea ice. The RSS data is only available from 1988 to present. Besides the problems with sea-ice, the RSS data has missing data due to rain events and the measurements used can be affected by clouds (Vonder Harr, Bytheway and Forsythe 2012).

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Figure 1. Various estimates of total precipitable water (TPW) in the atmosphere compared to the HADCRUT4 temperature anomaly.

The two NCEP analyses are global estimates from models that are calibrated using actual measurements, thus they are “reanalyses.” Their advantage over the RSS estimate is they are truly global and have values for every map grid. The reanalysis grid for NCEP reanalysis 1 for 2017 is shown in Figure 2. The NCEP reanalysis 1 model had several problems as described in (Kanamitsu, et al. 2002), but most have been fixed as discussed in the reanalysis 1 web site. The data for all of the TPW estimates displayed here was downloaded in May or June of 2018.

The specific humidity reanalysis results are not based solely on weather balloon radiosonde data, but the NCEP reanalysis 1 is more reliant on them than the reanalysis 2 project. Both projects also use land-based weather station data, ship data, aircraft and satellite data. Some have concluded that the radiosonde humidity data prior to 1973 and north of 50°N and south of 50°S is unreliable. Paltridge, et al. excluded this data and confirmed the negative overall trends in TPW, at least in the upper troposphere.

clip_image003Figure 2. The NCEP reanalysis 1 grid of average TPW for 2017 in kg/m2. Data source: NCEP reanalysis 1.

The RSS grids are much sparser as can be seen in Figure 3. The white areas (land- and ice-covered areas) of Figure 3 have no values which, in part, explains why the average RSS TPW values are so much larger than the NCEP values. The color scales used in all the maps are the same. Besides excluding areas containing sea-ice, areas with “moderate and high rain rates” are excluded from the RSS dataset, this introduces a systemic “non-rainy” bias to the dataset (Mears, et al. 2018). However, Mear’s and colleague’s dataset is probably a fairly accurate representation of TPW over the areas sampled. The problem with it is that the land areas and most of the polar regions are excluded and it only goes back to 1988. This is very unfortunate since the AMO began to turn significantly positive in 1988, which makes the RSS comparison to global temperature look “cherry-picked.”

clip_image004Figure 3. The RSS satellite microwave measured TPW over the ice-free oceans, moderate to severe rain events are excluded. Data source: Remote Sensing Systems.

The NCEP internet retrieval program would not allow me to download the reanalysis 2 TPW data for 2017 for some reason, but I did get the 2017 “canned” dataset from their website, it is shown in Figure 4. The data retrieval was done from here.

clip_image005Figure 4. The NCEP reanalysis 2 TPW for 2016. Data source and description: NCEP Reanalysis 2.

Compare Figure 4 to Figure 2, they are similar, except around the Pakistan/Tibet/China border. This shows as a cool, dry area in reanalysis 2 and as a wet anomaly in reanalysis 1. The NCEP reanalysis 2 shows more water vapor in the tropics than the reanalysis 1, this makes the reanalysis 2 averages higher. Further the reanalysis 2 TPW is for the whole atmosphere, whereas the reanalysis 1 TPW is only to 300 mbar (~8 km).

All three estimates shown in Figure 1 show an increase in TPW from around 1990 to the present, but the RSS increase is more dramatic. The increase in global average temperature begins in 1976, 14-16 years earlier. In Figure 2, we can see that the NASA CO2 record shows a rapid increase in trend beginning even earlier in the 1950s.

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Figure 5. The NASA CO2 reconstruction from 1850 to the present. Data source NASA.

Because of the large differences in the various estimates of TPW, the relationship with global temperature is difficult to see. Figure 6 is a close up of the RSS TPW and HADCRUT4.

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Figure 6. RSS TPW plotted with HADCRUT4. Data sources: RSS and Met Office Hadley Centre.

In Figure 6, we see a close correlation between global temperatures and the RSS ocean TPW measurements from satellite microwave data. Even the details match well. In Figure 7 we see the longer NCEP reanalysis 2 record compared to HADCRUT4. Again, there is a close match in detail, but the trends from 1979 to 1992 are opposite.

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Figure 7. The NCEP reanalysis 2 TPW record compared to HADCRUT4. Data sources: NCEP Reanalysis 2 and Met Office Hadley Centre.

Finally, in Figure 8, we see the NCEP reanalysis 1 record, which goes back to 1948, compared to HADCRUT4. The records match well from the present to the early 1980s and then begin to diverge, the divergence becomes extreme in the 1950s. Roy Spencer has blamed this on the poor-quality hygrometers used in weather balloons in the early days. Perhaps, but weather balloon data is not the only data used in these reanalyses. The NCEP reanalysis 2 results are almost certainly better than the reanalysis 1 results, but they are tantalizing short, beginning in 1979. We need 20-30 years more data to see if the influence of global mean temperature can be swamped by the influence of the AMO and other ocean cycles as suggested by the reanalysis 1 results.

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Figure 8. Data sources: NCEP reanalysis 1 and Met Office Hadley Centre.

While surface temperature is clearly a large factor influencing TPW over the short term, there may be other factors influencing it. Figure 9 compares the smoothed AMO index of Atlantic Ocean temperatures to NCEP R1.

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Figure 9. Data sources: NCEP reanalysis 1 and NOAA.

So, if the TPW estimates in the 1950s are accurate enough, perhaps they reveal a strong influence of the AMO cycle on TPW? It is hard to tell since many have questioned the quality of the early hygrometer data.

Over the short term, the correlation between TPW over the oceans and temperature is good, see Figure 10A. This however, is certainly not surprising. Over the longer term, using the NCEP R1 data, it is poor. As seen in Figure 10B, the correlation deteriorates. The time period and the data selected matters.

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Figure 10. Data sources NCEP, RSS and the Met Office Hadley Centre.

The correlations between RSS TPW and NCEP R1 versus HADCRUT4 have similar slopes, which is surprising. Both show an increase of about 2.5 kg/m2 (9%-13%) per degree of global temperature increase, but the NCEP reanalysis 1 plot suggests that there are actually two slopes, thus two trends and factors other than average surface temperature influencing TPW. Compare this estimate to the earlier cited specific humidity range of 0.6% to 18% per degree Celsius (Allen and Ingram 2002). The uncertainty in the amount of increase in TPW, due to global temperature changes is large.

TPW in the Upper Troposphere

As Partridge, et al. (Partridge, Arking and Pook 2009) have noted climate models predict that specific humidity will increase in the upper troposphere as global warming continues. Yet, this is not what is seen in the NCEP reanalysis 1 data, see Figure 11. Partridge, et al. have investigated more measurement levels and report that all levels above 850 hPa (~1.4 km) have a negative trend through 2007 in the tropics and southern midlatitudes. They also found that every level above 600 hPa (~4 km) in the northern midlatitudes has a negative trend.

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Figure 11. Global average TPW (blue line) from 500 hPa to 300 hPa or roughly 5 km to 8 km altitude compared to the HADCRUT4 temperature anomaly. Data sources: NCEP reanalysis 1 and Met Office Hadley Centre.

In many ways this negative trend is counterintuitive since the world is warming and more evaporation is expected. A warming atmosphere should cause more evaporation and a higher TPW. From Paltridge, et al.:

“Negative trends in q [TPW] as found in the NCEP data would imply that long-term water vapor feedback is negative—that it would reduce rather than amplify the response of the climate system to external forcing such as that from increasing atmospheric CO2.”

This was also the conclusion reached by Ferenc Miskolczi (Miskolczi 2014). Others, such as Roy Spencer and Richard Lindzen, have suggested that warmer temperature will cause more clouds, which will increase the albedo of the Earth and lower temperatures or reduce the rate of warming (provide negative feedback) as a result.

Conclusions and Discussion

The various estimates of total atmosphere TPW available do not agree with one another very well. Even the two NCEP estimates, both global, vary by over 18% and these estimates are 33% lower than the RSS ocean-only estimate. However, since about 1990 all the total atmosphere estimates trend upwards. Prior to 1990, the story is more complex. The longer NCEP reanalysis 1 estimate trends down from 1948 to 1975 in sync with the AMO, but different from the HADCRUT4 trend. All datasets agree that short term changes (<30 years) in surface global temperature have a positive (if small) influence on total atmosphere TPW, but it is not clear that long-term changes (>30 years) in TPW are related solely to global surface temperatures, they might be impacted more by ocean surface temperature cycles, such as the AMO.

The global climate models predict that global warming will increase upper troposphere specific humidity, but the weather balloon data shows a decline in specific humidity and in TPW in the upper troposphere. The humidity data declines in quality with altitude and lower temperatures, but even in the tropics where water vapor concentration is high at high altitudes, this trend persists. This also contradicts satellite data, but the ability of satellites to separate the signal of the upper troposphere water vapor from the lower is unclear. The accuracy of the specific humidity calculations in the upper troposphere is also unclear. However, both the NCEP reanalysis and the European reanalysis show a decline (Benestad 2016) and (Partridge, Arking and Pook 2009).

While there is great uncertainty in the amount of TPW in the whole atmosphere and in the upper troposphere, the importance of TPW and its trend is undeniable. In the tropics, at the lower levels of the atmosphere, the large amount of water vapor already traps nearly all the IR (infra-red radiation), so adding CO2 to this atmosphere has little effect (Pierrehumbert 2011). But, in the upper troposphere, where IR is emitted to space and additional CO2 or water vapor may make a difference, water vapor may be decreasing, at least according to NCEP reanalysis 1. Uncertainty abounds in this critical area of research and most important, what data we have is over too short a time period. Consider this quote from Pierrehumbert (Pierrehumbert 2011):

“For present Earth conditions, CO2 accounts for about a third of the clear-sky greenhouse effect in the tropics and for a somewhat greater portion in the drier, colder extratropics; the remainder is mostly due to water vapor. The contribution of CO2 to the greenhouse effect, considerable though it is, understates the central role of the gas as a controller of climate. The atmosphere, if CO2 were removed from it, would cool enough that much of the water vapor would rain out. That precipitation, in turn, would cause further cooling and ultimately spiral Earth into a globally glaciated state. It is only the presence of CO2 that keeps Earth’s atmosphere warm enough to contain much water vapor. Conversely, increasing CO2 would warm the atmosphere and ultimately result in greater water-vapor content – a now well understood situation known as water vapor feedback.”

So, we see the crucial role assumed for water vapor in the entire man-made climate change hypothesis. CO2 has only a minor role to play in warming the Earth by itself. It is only the assumed, but unmeasured, feedback from water vapor that allows a large impact on our climate to be predicted. Yet, as shown above, this assumed feedback cannot be measured with any accuracy with the data we have available. In fact, over climate time scales (>30 years) we cannot even be sure the feedback is positive. There is a strong correlation between temperature and total atmospheric water vapor concentration over short time periods, especially over the oceans from 1988 to 2017, when the AMO index was rising. But, it falls apart over longer periods of time and it is negative in the crucial upper troposphere. I can offer no solutions or great insights here, only questions and problems.

Andy May is a writer and author of “Climate Catastrophe! Science or Science-Fiction?” He retired in 2016 after 42 years in the oil and gas industry as a petrophysicist.

The R code and other information, including links to the original data, used to make the figures in the post can be downloaded here.

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Benestad, Rasmus. 2016. “A Mental Picture of the Greenhouse Effect.” Theoretical and Applied Climatology 128 (3-4): 679-688. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00704-016-1732-y.

Kalnay, E., M. Kanamitsu, R. Kistler, W. Collins, D. Deaven, L. Gandin, M. Iredell, et al. 1996. “The NCEP/NCAR 40-year reanalysis project.” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society. https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0477(1996)077%3C0437:TNYRP%3E2.0.CO;2.

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June 10, 2018 6:01 pm

“So, if the TPW estimates in the 1950s are accurate enough, perhaps they reveal a strong influence of the AMO cycle on TPW?”

And as the AMO is warmer during low solar periods, it would be a huge negative feedback, along with changes in the vertical distribution of water vapour, declines in cloud cover, and higher atmospheric CO2 levels because of the warm North Atlantic and drier continental interior regions.

Reply to  Ulric Lyons
June 11, 2018 10:38 am

And I do not mean TSI or sunspot number. Cold AMO periods in the early to mid 1970’s, the mid 1980’s, and the early 1990’s, all occurred during periods of higher solar wind temperature/pressure. AMO warming since 1995 occurred from when the solar wind strength declined.
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Walter Allensworth
June 11, 2018 8:03 am

In Dr. Richard Alley’s book, “The Two Mile Time Machine,” he states that there is a clear linear relationship in the ice core data between precipitation and temperature… the warmer it gets, the more precipitation there is. More precip. comes from more clouds. Clouds increase earth’s albedo, reflecting sunlight back into space. This is a negative feedback.

Steven Zell
June 11, 2018 9:13 am

As Andy May himself remarks, this research seems to incite more questions than it answers, and there seems to be some contradiction in the correlation of “Total Precipitable Water” with temperatures since 1975 and the lack of correlation in the 1945 – 1975 period.

The article starts with the premise that “Some have speculated that the distribution of relative humidity would remain roughly constant as climate changes”, but the remainder of the article deals with “specific humidity”, or mass of water vapor per volume of air.

Relative humidity is defined as the ratio of the specific humidity to the saturation humidity, with the latter being defined by the Clauseus-Clapeyron equation as the maximum amount of water vapor in the air in equilibrium with liquid water at a given temperature. The data presented in this article do not answer the question of whether relative humidity remains constant as temperature rises.

If we consider a volume of air, initially at a given temperature, flowing over a body of water, if the air temperature rises by one degree, attempting to maintain the same relative humidity would require evaporation of enough liquid water to increase the specific humidity to the higher value at the higher temperature, which requires input of heat. The amount of heat required increases with the temperature and relative humidity of the air, but at typical ocean temperatures of 10 to 30 C, and relative humidities over the oceans of 70% or more, a heat and mass balance shows that the heat absorbed by evaporating water would range from 50 to 80% of the heat used to warm the air by one degree.

The assumption of constant relative humidity by some climate modelers therefore introduces a negative feedback of -0.50 to -0.80 on the “warming of the atmosphere”, since that fraction of the heat absorbed (by excess CO2) is consumed by evaporating enough water vapor to maintain constant relative humidity.

It would be interesting to compare the “Total Precipitable Water” data in each grid cell to the saturation humidity as a function of temperature, to determine whether the relative humidity has decreased with warming temperatures over the 1975 – 2000 period.

eyesonu
June 11, 2018 11:07 am

This is an excellent post by Andy May as well as the comment thread.

My comment is slightly OT but related to TPW. There seems to some less than fully understood (by me) in the discussions of ‘water vapor’. Is water vapor a ‘catch all’ descriptor of all water content regardless of its state? If so, being used in this manner is as cloudy as a cloud.

As I have read numerous articles and comments over time, to summarize the general consensus, water vapor at less than saturation (at less than 100% RH) would be completely transparent to LWIR. Visible clouds are opaque and grab and reflect the LWIR and reflect the visible coming in from above. Seems to be the general line of overall discussion. If that is the case and various explanations seem to say that only/primarily C02 is the cause of DWLWIR because invisible (to the eye) water vapor in the air simply absorbs and reflects LWIR but does not retain any of its energy. I have a problem with that in my mind.

If someone can clear these issues up with me I would be thankful. Then I will follow up with a more important and relevant comment for discussion.

If an LWIR meter were aimed at the bottom of a developing storm cloud (say 8ooo ft) on a hot and humid day and the measurements were taken as close as possible in time and were made at 1000 ft (elev) increments, would the readings be the same throughout the range of elevations? Observations requested, if modeled please state so.

Tom Dayton
Reply to  eyesonu
June 11, 2018 5:17 pm

Water vapor is a gas. Clouds, fog, and mist are liquid water. Snow and sleet are solid water.

Water vapor–even a single molecule–absorbs and emits LWIR. It does not reflect LWIR. When a water vapor molecule absorbs LWIR, its energy states increase in one or more particular ways. Usually that molecule then transfers that energy to other molecules (of any kind, not just water vapor) that it bumps into. Much less frequently, that molecule first and instead radiates that energy, again as LWIR. Meanwhile, that same molecule gains energy by bumping into other molecules. CO2 molecules behave the same, at some of the same LWIR wavelengths as H2O molecules, but also at some different wavelengths.

Visible clouds are not 100% opaque to visible light, nor to LWIR.

I’ve never seen anyone claim that only or primarily CO2 is the cause of downwelling LWIR, if by “cause” you mean proximate cause. Indeed, a main feedback of CO2-direct-caused warming is an increase in water vapor due to the increased atmospheric temperature that allows more water to remain as vapor. However, that feedback mechanism is why CO2 is called the main control knob of temperature. If at a given atmospheric temperature you throw up more water vapor, the atmosphere can’t hold it and it condenses out (as a global average, in about 10 days). CO2 does not condense out, so adding more causes that additional amount (not those individual molecules) to stay there a really long time, which means the atmosphere has time to warm, which allows more water vapor to stay in the air. Here is a little more about water vapor; read the Basic tabbed pane and then the Intermediate one.

Kristi Silber
Reply to  Tom Dayton
June 11, 2018 6:02 pm

Nice explanation. Thanks!

eyesonu
Reply to  Tom Dayton
June 11, 2018 6:04 pm

Tom,

Thanks for your reply. I hurried in my initial posting/comment with regards to writing that the water vapor ‘grabbed and reflected’ the LWIR (my bad) as it absorbs and emits. There’s a bit of country boy in me. So, per your comment, water vapor in less than saturated air will increase in temperature due to LWIR. That was one of the most important things I wanted to verify. Would it be fair to say that as the relative humidity increases the temperature would also increase due to LWIR and would intensify at some scale or would it simply depend on the absolute humidity and results be the same

Tom Dayton
Reply to  eyesonu
June 11, 2018 9:12 pm

Only the absolute number of water vapor molecules matters, so only specific (absolute) humidity matters. Relative humidity is irrelevant in that regard. You’ll sometimes see relative humidity discussed. That’s because relative humidity (globally averaged) is expected to stay constant as temperature increases, based on fundamental physics and supported by more complex physics. If relative humidity stays constant while temperature increases, the consequence is that specific/absolute humidity increases.

eyesonu
Reply to  Tom Dayton
June 12, 2018 4:08 am

Thanks Tom, in keeping OT and focused on a single point of reference of the underside of a developing storm cloud let’s disregard global averages for the time being. Too much modeling going on there. I originally arbitrarily chose 8k feet as the bottom of cloud, but 5k – 6k would be an equally good reference as long as discussion doesn’t start to forget the reference and if we use land conditions we stay with that. If a discussion is referenced to ‘apples’ we need to try and stay with apples. I’m trying to understand the interaction of water vapor, LWIR and temp within a defined point/state. That being the underside of the developing cloud base.

So as a storm cloud begins to develop over a previously hot sunny surface the humid air is now being heated intensely from both above (bottom of the cloud at the temp of condensation, dew point?) as well as from UW LWIR from the surface. That would tend to negate standard lapse rate temperature calculations for a rising parcel of moist air in my reasoning as any water vapor is constantly being heated from the cloud above, the ground/surface below, and as well from adjoining parcels of air. Are we in agreement on this before I continue?

Tom Dayton
Reply to  eyesonu
June 12, 2018 6:04 am

You are in fact getting deep into the “modeling” you just objected to. It makes no sense to object to global averages as being too based on modeling. If you want detailed explanation of water vapor and clouds, start with Science of Doom’s series on that.

eyesonu
Reply to  Tom Dayton
June 12, 2018 7:36 am

You are avoiding the conversation now? Do you agree with the above post? Too complicated to continue?

I thought it was leading to a productive dialog.

June 12, 2018 11:49 am

Since the AMO warmed from 1995, there has been an increase in surface wind speeds over the oceans:
http://www.noelshack.com/2018-22-2-1527605308-windspeed.jpg

and a decrease in surface wind speeds over land:
https://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/the-wind-is-slowing-down