The Great Barrier Reef Is Apparently Indestructible… But Still Doomed

Guest post by David Middleton

This gem was in my morning email from the American Association for the Advancement of Science in America…

The Great Barrier Reef has had five near-death experiences in the past 30,000 years

By Katie LanginMay. 28, 2018 , 11:00 AM

Thirteen thousand years ago, as the last ice age ended, entire stretches of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef perished. Rising sea levels blanketed the world’s largest collection of corals with sediment coming off the newly inundated land, blocking the sunlight corals need to grow. The reef eventually recovered, but it took hundreds to thousands of years. This near death and eventual resurrection wasn’t a one-off, according to a new study that reveals the reef’s shifting boundaries over geological time. It’s a tale that has played out five times over the past 30,000 years—and it may be happening again today.

The study “holds some really important lessons” for understanding how resilient corals are in the face of change, and how quickly they recover after catastrophic events, says Kim Cobb, a paleoclimatologist at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, who wasn’t involved in the work. Today’s rate of sea level rise is moderate—about 10% of the rate 13,000 years ago—but going forward it may accelerate dramatically, she says.

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The reef migrated up and down during that time, the team found, closely tracking changes in sea level at a rate of up to 20 vertical meters per thousand years.

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Scientists have long wondered where the Great Barrier Reef went during the last ice age, says Jody Webster, a marine geologist at The University of Sydney in Australia and the lead author of the study. “We were able to find it.”

But the reef couldn’t always keep up with changing sea levels. The researchers identified five times when it appeared to die off—twice during the cool down of the last ice age, when falling sea levels exposed corals to air; and three times 10,000 to 17,000 years ago, when glacial melt caused sea levels to rise rapidly. “We haven’t drilled or sampled everything,” says Webster, so he and his colleagues can’t confirm how extensive the die-off was. But they think corals persisted in some places along the continental shelf during those times, allowing reefs in other locations to re-establish within 2000 years.

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The historical die-offs are similar to “what we’re seeing right now on the Great Barrier Reef,” says Mark Eakin, a coral reef ecologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in College Park, Maryland, who wasn’t involved in the study.

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The new research is “yet another reminder” that what we’re doing to the ocean is going to have dramatic consequences, Eakin says. “Don’t expect reefs to be able to bounce back quickly.”

Science (as in: She blinded me with)

NotDeadYet

My first thought was, “No schist Sherlock.”  The Eemian coral reefs of Florida are currently located in onshore quarries.  Florida’s coral reefs of the Last Glacial Maximum are dead and buried in deeper water than Florida’s current coral reefs.  Coral adapts.  Coral moves. Coral has a far better handle on climate change than NOAA ever will.

My second thought was, WTF?

“The new research is ‘yet another reminder’ that what we’re doing to the ocean is going to have dramatic consequences, Eakin says. ‘Don’t expect reefs to be able to bounce back quickly.'”

The only logical takeaway from this study (and reality) is that coral adapts, coral moves, coral has a far better handle on climate change than NOAA ever will.  How in the hell could anyone interpret this as indicating that coral is more fragile than previously thought?  Or that somehow, coral can’t adapt to the “Anthropocene”… When it readily adapted to far more dramatic climatic changes over the past 30,000 200 million years?

A few years ago, the coral reef experts at the World Bank proclaimed that coral could not survive at CO2 levels above 550 ppm.

3. Coral reefs are doomed

Outlook for coral reefs is bleak (World Bank / Hare et al./Rogelj et al./Schaeffer et al.)

Coral reefs, which protect against coastal flooding, storm surges, wave damage, and also provide homes for lots of fish, are doomed on our current course, says the World Bank. Coral reefs are dissolving because of ocean acidification–the more CO2 in the atmosphere, the more gets dissolved in the oceans. The illustration shows the impact on coral reefs at various CO2 levels. Coral reefs may stop growing as CO2 concentration levels approach 450 ppm, which is expected over the coming decades. By the time the concentration reaches around 550 ppm in the 2060s, coral reefs will start to dissolve.

The Atlantic (not the ocean)

Scientists, presumably with straight faces, claimed that greater than 550 ppm CO2 was doomsday for coral reefs.  No wonder the Great Barrier Reef keeps coming back from the dead.  It boggles the mind.

Addendum

I forgot to ridicule this bit of nonsense:

Today’s rate of sea level rise is moderate—about 10% of the rate 13,000 years ago—but going forward it may accelerate dramatically, she says.

100% unmitigated bullschist.

 

More Mind-boggling Facts About Coral Reefs

Coral reefs can handle “highly acidic ocean waters”…

Pacific Mystery: Coral Reefs Are Thriving, But How?

Jun 5, 2015

A College of Geosciences researcher and her colleagues have found healthy coral reefs in highly acidic ocean waters. “The reefs appear to be thriving, and we want to understand why,” says Kathryn Shamberger, assistant professor of oceanography.

The team examined eight coral reefs in the Palauan archipelago and found high levels of acidification within the lagoons and inlets of the Palau Rock Islands. But despite the high levels, the Rock Island coral reefs appear to be extremely healthy.

“Based on lab experiments and other studies, this is the opposite of what we expected,” says Barkley, the lead author.

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The team says that the acidification process in Palau is a natural one, due to a combination of biological activity and the slow flushing of water through the Rock Island lagoons that allows acidification levels to build up over time.

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http://geonews.tamu.edu/news/2015/06…e-thriving.php

Sediment laden waters…

Coral reef thriving in sediment-laden waters

Rapid rates of coral reef growth have been identified in sediment-laden marine environments, conditions previously believed to be detrimental to reef growth.

A new study has established that Middle Reef – part of Australia’s iconic Great Barrier Reef – has grown more rapidly than many other reefs in areas with lower levels of sediment stress.

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http://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/feature…222710_en.html

Rising seas (AKA deeper water)…

Great Barrier Reef found to have thriving deep water coral

Updated 2:23 AM ET, Fri October 26, 2012

A recent survey of the Coral Sea and Great Barrier Reef has found coral flourishing in deep waters, a stark contrast to the shallower reefs that have seen a drastic decline over the last few decades.

The healthy coral populations were discovered to be below 30 meters — beyond the usual reach of most scuba divers — and even found at depths of 80 meters, according to the Catlin Seaview Survey.

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/world/…er-coral-reef/

Glacial cycles…

Rottnest’s tropical corals found to thrive

July 9, 2015 by Kerry Faulkner

Researchers are surprised at thriving coral growth at Rottnest Island, predicting its smaller coral communities could grow into a reef similar to the one that existed there in the Last Interglacial, approximately 130,000 years ago.

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http://m.phys.org/news/2015-07-rottn…al-corals.html

Pollution…

Hong Kong coral reef thrives despite pollution

Amid major developments, territory’s scientists make unexpectedly pleasant underwater discovery.

08 Oct 2015

Marine life is thriving despite major developments at Hong Kong’s busy harbour.

Like any other marine environment around the world, this region is feeling the impacts of climate change and development.

Nevertheless, the stronger types of coral species are holding on despite the unrelenting conditions and scientists are now trying to establish how they survive.

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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1…112117433.html

Ocean zoning…

Scientific Assessment Of Curaçao’s Coastal Waters Show Healthy And Thriving Coral And Fish Populations

WILLEMSTAD – A recent two-week long scientific assessment surveyed over 150 dive sites of Curaçao’s shallow water reef sites and found signs of healthy coral and fish populations around the island, particularly in Oostpunt. The scientific assessment was a critical step in Blue Halo Curaçao and its comprehensive, science-based approach to ocean zoning.

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http://curacaochronicle.com/main/sci…h-populations/

A lack of data…

For marine biologists, the destruction of the reefs has proven to be as frustrating as it is heartbreaking. Because reef habitats are so complex, and because worldwide reef monitoring and mapping efforts only began a little over a decade ago, scientists simply do not have enough information to keep tabs on the destruction of the reefs, let alone come up with an effective solution. At the rate the reefs are disappearing, they may be beyond repair by the time a comprehensive plan to save reefs can be put into place…

http://m.earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Coral/

Harsh intertidal zones…

A Diverse Assemblage of Reef Corals Thriving in a Dynamic Intertidal Reef Setting (Bonaparte Archipelago, Kimberley, Australia)

The susceptibility of reef-building corals to climatic anomalies is well documented and a cause of great concern for the future of coral reefs. Reef corals are normally considered to tolerate only a narrow range of climatic conditions with only a small number of species considered heat-tolerant. Occasionally however, corals can be seen thriving in unusually harsh reef settings and these are cause for some optimism about the future of coral reefs. Here we document for the first time a diverse assemblage of 225 species of hard corals occurring in the intertidal zone of the Bonaparte Archipelago, north western Australia.

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http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art…l.pone.0117791

Bad news about other ocean habitats…

Crown Jewel of Cuba’s Coral Reefs

Jardines de la Reina, a vibrant marine preserve, is thriving even as other ocean habitats decline.

By ERICA GOODE

JULY 13, 2015

JARDINES DE LA REINA, Cuba —

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The sharks are a tourist attraction — at two of the many diving spots in the Gardens, they are fed to ensure larger numbers — but to scientists like Dr. Pina and Dr. Kritzer, their very presence here is an indicator of the coral reef’s robustness.

Research has linked the health of reefs to habitation by large fish, and the absence of sharks and other top predators is often a sign of a reef in decline.

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The resilience of this coral reef seems beyond question. The waters inside the preserve hold 10 times as many sharks as outside, Dr. Pina said, and goliath grouper, rare in many places, are often seen here.

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/14….co/G6UkENfE29

Extinction…

Glass sponge reefs thought to be extinct are discovered to be thriving in ocean depths

Mummies, they’re called, these strange shapes that form one of the largest structures ever to exist on Earth. Stretching some 2900 kilometers from Spain to Romania, the long, sinuous curve of millions of mummies—once-living, vase-shaped animals—is a fossil reef. In its heyday in the Jurassic, the reef dwarfed today’s Great Barrier Reef off Australia’s northeastern coast. Now it is visible only in rock outcrops dotted across a vast area of central and southern Spain, southwestern Germany, central Poland, southeastern France, Switzerland, and eastern Romania near the Black Sea. The ancient reef was made up not of corals but of deep-sea sponges called hexactinellids.

Hexactinellids, or glass sponges, use silica dissolved in seawater to manufacture a skeleton of four- or six-pointed siliceous spicules. Individual glass sponges, such as the beautiful Venus’s flower-basket sponge (Euplectella aspergillum), are still found in the deep sea but are a different genus and species from the Jurassic reef-builders. Reef-building glass sponges, known only from fossilized remains, are thought to have gone extinct 100 million years ago, driven out by competition from newly arrived diatoms.

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The surprise find

The darkness beneath British Columbia’s Strait of Georgia, Hecate Strait, and Queen Charlotte Sound concealed the next chapter in an eons-old tale. For decades, hints of something alive—something no one had seen before—washed up on the shores of Galiano Island in the Strait of Georgia. Walking along a beach on the island, long-time resident Elizabeth McClelland found pieces of an unidentified object in the tide line. “Every so often, I’d come across bits of flotsam that were very delicate but very sharp,” says McClelland. “My granddaughter once found a fairly large piece of these unknown gifts from the sea.”

Then came an odd clue at the bottom of Hecate Strait. During a 1984 seafloor mapping expedition, scientists from the Geological Survey of Canada, using sonar imaging, saw mounds over huge areas of the seafloor—areas that should have been completely flat. Similar acoustic anomalies, as geological survey scientists Kim Conway and Vaughn Barrie referred to them, were observed again in 1986 during a survey of Queen Charlotte Sound.

Reef-building glass sponges gave up their secret to Conway and Vaughn in 1987: underwater photography in Hecate Strait captured the sponges on film. Far from extinct, the sponges were thriving in the depths off British Columbia.

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BioScience (2008) 58 (4): 288-294. doi: 10.1641/B580403

http://m.bioscience.oxfordjournals.o…/58/4/288.full

An absence of scuba divers…

Corals in Musandam are thriving, report finds

MUSANDAM // A survey of the peninsula by an expedition of marine scientists and volunteer divers has found that its coral reefs are thriving.

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For Dr Jean-Luc Solandt, an expedition member and one of the authors of the report, said when it came to the health of corals, the sites were in better condition than many locations famous for being scuba-diving haunts.

“It is an outstanding location,” said Dr Solandt, senior biodiversity policy officer at the Marine Conservation Society. “The coral health is excellent.”

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The healthy Musandam reefs could well be a source of population recovery for reefs in the Arabian Gulf, where physical and man-made factors combine to create an environment that is more challenging for corals.

Many of the sites hosted very large colonies of the genus Porites. Some of the colonies, said Dr Solandt, were “the size of small houses”, indicating they could well be more than 400 years old.

This also most likely meant that no significant damaging events had occurred within this timeframe, said the report.

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http://m.thenational.ae/uae/environm…g-report-finds

It seems to me that that scuba divers tend to whine more than other groups about Gorebal Warming and Ocean Neutralization killing coral reefs. I have also noticed variations of this in several articles…

[W]hen it came to the health of corals, the sites were in better condition than many locations famous for being scuba-diving haunts…

Maybe coral reefs don’t like scuba divers???

More sea level rise and deeper waters…

Deep-Water Coral Reefs Thriving Off Puerto Rico

CBSNEWS AP

Jan 14, 2011

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico – As the ocean floor plunges off southwestern Puerto Rico, it reveals coral reefs dotted with bright-blue sea squirts and a multitude of other organisms whose existence has given hope to scientists who strive to save the island’s threatened ecosystems.

The organisms are an integral part of a group of reefs discovered to be thriving near an area where most shallow coral reefs and the fish that depend on them are in poor health overall.

The reefs – at a depth of up to 500 feet (152 meters) in an area 12 miles (19 kilometers) across – were recently discovered as part of a federally funded mission to conduct research on deep-water corals, according to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

“We stumbled across this area,” Richard Appeldoorn, a professor at the University of Puerto Rico in Mayaguez who was involved in the mission, told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Divers enrolled in a one-year training course to depths of up to 100 feet (31 meters) noticed the thriving reefs and large predators lurking nearby, said Appeldoorn, who oversees the university’s fisheries, biology and coral reef studies program.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/deep-wat…f-puerto-rico/

Heat…

A Bright Spot for Coral Reefs

Air Date: Week of January 11, 2013

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[C]orals in American Samoa are actually thriving despite the heat. At least that’s what researchers at Stanford University reported recently in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. Steve Palumbi is a professor of Marine Science at Stanford University and a lead author on the research. He explained how corals bleach and otherwise react to the stresses of heat.

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http://loe.org/shows/segments.html?p…02&segmentID=6

More heat…

Diversity of Corals, Algae in Warm Indian Ocean Suggests Resilience to Future Global Warming

12 February 2010

Penn State researchers and their international collaborators have discovered a diversity of corals harboring unusual species of symbiotic algae in the warm waters of the Andaman Sea in the northeastern Indian Ocean. “The existence of so many novel coral symbioses thriving in a place that is too warm for most corals gives us hope that coral reefs and the ecosystems they support may persist — at least in some places — in the face of global warming,” said the team’s leader, Penn State Assistant Professor of Biology Todd LaJeunesse.

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http://science.psu.edu/news-and-even…Jeunesse2-2010

Coral reefs can even handle numerous predictions of their imminent demise…

December 19, 2013

Coral reefs, the great survivors

By Viv Forbes

For at least fifty years, agitated academics have been predicting the end of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef. Now international “experts” are also sprouting coral calamity. But despite the alarms, the reef is still there.

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Corals are among the greatest survivors on Earth and have been here for about 500 million years. Many of the types of corals found on reefs today were present in similar forms on reefs 50 million years ago.

Since corals first appeared there have been five mass extinctions when over 50% of all life forms on land and in the seas died.

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Corals also survived several deadly ice ages when sea levels fell so low that many coral reefs left their skeletons stranded as limestone hills on dry land. But always some colonisers followed the retreating seas and survived.

Then came the hot climate eras when the great ice sheets melted and sea levels rose dramatically. Some coral reefs drowned, but others just built on top of the old drowned corals forming the beautiful coral atolls we see today. Corals flourish in gently rising seas such as we have today – it gives them room to refresh and grow vertically.

And if the water gets too warm, coral larvae just drift into cooler waters closer to the poles. The Great Barrier Reef would move slowly south.

Corals have outlasted the dinosaurs, the mammoths and the sabre-toothed tiger. Captain Cook’s ship was almost disembowelled by the sturdy corals of the Great Barrier Reef in 1770. If Cook came back today, he would be unable to detect any changes in the Reef.

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No matter what the future holds, corals are more likely than humans to survive the next major extinction.

In the event of yet another Ice Age we must hope that reef alarmists have not denied us the things we will need to survive – food, energy, chemicals, shelter, concrete and steel generated by carbon fuels.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/…#ixzz3vEkoWpx5

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Atomic bombs…

Coral flourishing at Bikini Atoll atomic test site

Tue Apr 15, 2008

By Rob Taylor

CANBERRA (Reuters) – Coral is again flourishing in the crater left by the largest nuclear weapon ever detonated by the United States, 54 years after the blast on Bikini Atoll, marine scientists said on Tuesday.

A team of research divers visited Bravo crater, ground zero for the test of a thermonuclear weapon in the remote Marshall Islands on March 1, 1954, and found large numbers of fish and coral growing, although some species appeared locally extinct. “I didn’t know what to expect, some kind of moonscape perhaps. But it was incredible,” Zoe Richards, from Australia’s James Cook University, told Reuters about the team’s trip to the atoll in the south Pacific.

“We saw communities not too far from any coral reef, with plenty of fish, corals and action going on, some really striking individual colonies,” she said.

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http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article…80415?irpc=932

Chicken Little of the Sea doesn’t even bother them…

Coral Reefs

March 2013, Volume 32, Issue 1, pp 305-314

First online: 22 November 2012

Ocean acidification does not affect the physiology of the tropical coral Acropora digitifera during a 5-week experiment

A. Takahashi, H. Kurihara

Abstract

The increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration, which has resulted from the burning of fossil fuels, is being absorbed by the oceans and is causing ocean acidification. Ocean acidification involves the decrease of both the pH and the calcium carbonate saturation state. Ocean acidification is predicted to impact the physiology of marine organisms and reduce the calcification rates of corals. In the present study, we measured the rates of calcification, respiration, photosynthesis, and zooxanthellae density of the tropical coral Acropora digitifera under near-natural summertime temperature and sunlight for a 5-week period. We found that these key physiological parameters were not affected…

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Additionally, there was no significant correlation between calcification rate and seawater aragonite saturation (Ωarag). These results suggest that the impacts of ocean acidification on corals physiology may be more complex than have been previously proposed.

http://link.springer.com/article/10….338-012-0979-8

Offshore oil & gas drilling…

Spectacular reef awaits divers off coast of Galveston

KHOU Staff, KHOU.com

Jun 11, 2014

GALVESTON, Texas — When you think about Galveston, you probably picture sun and surf, maybe the Pleasure Pier or sometimes seaweed, but you probably don t think about great diving.

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The sanctuary actually encompasses three separate areas, underwater salt domes that stand higher than the surrounding ocean floor. Snapper and grouper fishermen who saw the colorful sponges and other marine life under their boats are credited with discovering the ecological wonder in the late 19th century. The area was designated as a national marine sanctuary in 1992 and it s now managed under the direction of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

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At a time when coral reefs around the world are in decline, Flower Garden Banks is thriving largely because it s so remote it attracts comparatively few divers.

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http://www.khou.com/story/news/local…7/25/12516962/

I’m really beginning to think that the only thing coral reefs can’t handle are too many scuba divers.

Coral reefs are amazingly undaunted by “a trend of widespread decline in coral reefs across the Caribbean”…

Scientists explore secret of Little Cayman’s coral reef success

30 December, 2014

By: James Whittaker | jwhittaker@pinnaclemedialtd.com

What is so special about Little Cayman’s reefs? That’s the question a new $140,000 scientific study at the Central Caribbean Marine Institute will seek to answer.

Scientists want to determine why reefs around the remote island are thriving and whether there are lessons that can be adapted to help protect and maintain vital coral reef systems around the world.

The new study will look specifically at rare and endangered coral species around Little Cayman and attempt to determine why they are bucking a trend of widespread decline in coral reefs across the Caribbean.

An earlier study by CCMI showed that coral cover had been increasing around Little Cayman over the past five years.

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http://www.compasscayman.com/mobile/…aspx?id=148014

What is so special about Little Cayman’s reefs?

Here’s a SWAG… They are REMOTE.

Coral reefs even handled the much warmer Eemian (Sangamonian) interglacial stage…

Sangamon Interglacial: Paleoclimatology

and Future Climate Implications

by

Daniel Call

Introduction

Recent ‘extreme’ weather events, rising carbon dioxide levels and the growing evidence of retreating glaciers have increasingly become the subjects of much debate in the popular press and numerous fields of scientific research. Driving these discussions are questions aimed at discerning what drives the climate on Earth. Several have been noted in previous research: Milankovitch cycles, solar output, continental configurations and the most recent and controversial, carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas atmospheric concentrations (Hambrey 2004). In order to understand what we should expect, both from a climate change perspective and from a changing biogeographical perspective during our current interglacial phase, scientists have looked to the last interglacial period in the geologic record, the Sangamon Stage (or the Eemian, as it appears in European literature) approximately 114,000 – 130,000 years ago for answers.

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Similarly, the limestones deposited in coral reef complexes near Bermuda, the Florida Keys and part of the Miami Limestone had to have been formed in seas that are anywhere from 6 to 19 meters higher than current sea level with most sea level estimates being placed at 6 – 10 meters higher than today. These values represent data gathered during 2 of the lower sea stands during the Sangamon with the 3rd being much higher than the others based on ?O18 minimums obtained from oxygen isotope data of deep sea cores (USGS).

The implications of such a high sea level suggests that massive changes in a number of the elements that factor into establishing a particular global climate regime had to have occurred. Looking at Milankovitch cycles, the Northern Hemisphere, during the Sangamon, would have received higher insolation rates (solar radiation received on a surface during a unit of time) than today and a large portion of Greenland’s Ice Sheet and significant portions of the West Antarctic Ice sheet would have had to melt to produce the sea level rise necessary for coral reef derived limestone formations to have been generated at the elevations that they are present at today (Koerner).

Carbon dioxide concentrations weren’t as high in the Sangamon as they are today, but they were still much higher than any of the previous or following glacial periods. This combination of high CO2 and increased insolation due to Milankovitch cycle parameters would have altered the climate regimes around the globe. Global temperatures were thought to be 5-7 °C (9-13 °F) higher than the current interglacial period according to North Atlantic oceanic sediment cores with South Pacific oceanic cores showing a rise of only 3-5 °C (5.4-9 °F).

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Across the majority of Europe, general scientific consensus was that the Eemian climate was much warmer and wetter than today’s environment. This resulted in the development of vast temperate forests and the rapid expansion of species, most notably Carpinus across the area (Turner 2000). Although the Eemian was consistently much warmer, evidence has been building that a large scale late Eemian arid ‘pulse’ dominated central Europe resulting in the widespread takeover of ecological niches by various grasses and shrubby bushes before returning to a warm, somewhat more moist climate dominated by temperate forests just before the most recent glacial stadial (Sirocko, et al. 2005).

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Coupled with the climatic discrepancies are the discrepancies with analyzing how life will respond to the changing environment. As Smith and Buddemeier explained, looking at oceanic chemistry and a number of other factors, a rise in sea level could actually benefit most coral reef complexes if sea level and atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations rise at anticipated rates within the next 100 years. The net effect would cause a drawdown of atmospheric carbon dioxide as more of this greenhouse gas gets incorporated as CaCO3 as various reef complexes grow. Overall, Smith and Buddemeier make a valid point when they explain that the number of factors affecting coral reef health and viability, coupled with the modest changes expected from various climate change simulations indicate that on a global scale, coral reefs are unlikely to be adversely affected by projected climate change. It is only on the local scale that coral reef communities could be at risk.

http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame…call3/sang.htm

Fortunately for coral reefs, there were no scuba divers 130,000 years ago.

More deep water and even more surprised scientists…

Science Features – Discoveries of the Deep—The Surprising Undersea World at Pulley Ridge

In the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico, approximately 250 km west of Cape Sable, Florida, and 70 km west of the Dry Tortugas, are a series of drowned barrier islands known as Pulley Ridge. The ridge was found in 1950, but it wasn’t until recent years that scientists discovered something extraordinary.

The southern portion of the ridge is a thriving coral reef, a pristine habitat teeming with life and color. Here, more than 60 species of fish swim in predominantly clear, warm water. An abundance of algae sprinkles the seascape in vibrant reds and greens. Brilliant blue-purple corals stretch across the sea floor like giant plates. Octocorals, with tiny featherlike tendrils and colors that vary per colony, reach out with sometimes light and delicate and sometimes bright and knobby arms. And in the soft light that filters down from the distant surface, luxuriant fields of the leafy algae Anadyomene menziesii rise from the sea floor like patches of lettuce at dusk.

The reef was discovered in 1999, as scientists and graduate students from the USGS Center for Coastal & Watershed Studies and the University of South Florida (USF) boarded the research vessel Bellows and set sail for the Pulley ridge area, where a bathymetric map of the ocean floor showed a mysterious bump.

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http://www.usgs.gov/homepage/science…lley_ridge.asp

Why does it always shock the “scientists” when they discover healthy, thriving coral reefs?

It seems as if every newly discovered reef is healthy and thriving… particularly if it is in a remote area and not frequented by scuba divers?

How are these remote reefs miraculously immune to Gorebal Warming and Ocean Neutralization?

Coral reefs can even handle being denigrated as endangered species…

Hybrid Corals: Sex Gone Awry or Saving Grace?

As the full moons of late summer and fall rise, so too, does the libido of threatened staghorn (Acropora cervicornis) and elkhorn (Acropora palmata) corals.

By Marah J. Hardt on September 25, 2014

As the full moons of late summer and fall rise, so too, does the libido of threatened staghorn (Acropora cervicornis) and elkhorn (Acropora palmata) corals. Awakened from a year of sexual slumber, each species shakes off the shackles of celibacy to engage in a mass-spawning a few days after the brightest nights. Facing declines of up to 97 percent in the past 30 years, these two species have been beaten back by disease, pollution, overfishing and climate change. Their yearly spawning should be a time of celebration. But after millions of years of successful group sex, the very act of reproduction may now be contributing to their ultimate demise.

A report this summer adds to a growing body of evidence that another coral, Acropora prolifera, may be overtaking reef real estate formerly occupied by elkhorns and staghorns. Far from a foreign invader, genetic tests show this coral is in fact the offspring of an elkhorn and staghorn cross. A. prolifera is a hybrid. And its apparent rise is an indication of coral sex gone awry.

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http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/…-saving-grace/

If Acropora cervicornis and Acropora palmata can interbreed to produce genetically viable offspring (Acropora prolifera), they are not distinct species and should not be listed as endangered species. Acropora is not endangered, prolifera should be a big, fat clue.

Coral reefs appear to be adapting quite well to climate change and Chicken Little of the Sea, if not adapting so well to scuba divers, snorkelers, agricultural runoff and fishing with dynamite.

Coral reefs really do seem to like warm water and lots of CO2 in their diets…

GBR calcification rates from:

De’ath, G., J.M. Lough, and K.E. Fabricius. 2009.

Declining coral calcification on the Great Barrier Reef.

Science, Vol. 323, pp. 116 – 119, 2 January 2009.

(Previously discussed here.)

According to Byrn et al., 2010, “Global ocean acidification is a prominent, inexorable change associated with rising levels of atmospheric CO2…”

The boron 10/11 ratio from Flinders Reef (GBR) demonstrates that seawater pH around the reef has generally ignored atmospheric CO2 over the past 250 years and that the coral has easily adapted to 0.2 pH unit swings every 50-60 years…

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Declining pH has been “associated with rising levels of atmospheric CO2” since about 1990. Prior to 1990, rising and falling pH levels weren’t associated with rising or falling levels of CO2. (Station Aloha discussed here.)

However, the rising and falling pH appears to be inversely correlated with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO)…

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That’s really funny… Because the PDO supposedly can’t drive anything.  It’s just an index of North Pacific sea surface temperatures and Flinders Reef is in the Coral Sea.  The PDO and Flinders Reef are on opposite sides of the equator.

Average annual pH reconstructions and measurements from various Pacific Ocean locations:

  • 60 million to 40 million years ago: 7.42 to 8.04 (Pearson et al., 2000)
  • 23 million to 85,000 years ago: 8.04 to 8.31 (Pearson et al., 2000)
  • 6,000 years ago to present: 7.91 to 8.28 (Liu et al., 2009)
  • 1708 AD to 1988 AD: 7.91 to 8.17 (Pelejero et al., 2005)
  • 2000 AD to 2007 AD: 8.10 to 8.40 (Wootton et al., 2008)

The low pH levels from 60 mya to 40 mya include the infamous Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM). Even then, the oceans did not actually “acidify;” the lowest pH was 7.42 (still alkaline).

The Eniwetok/Bikini coral reef complex dates back to the Eocene. Oddly enough, there is an unconformity between the Eocene and Miocene. There was apparently little or no coral growth during the Oligocene, a period of global cooling and falling sea level.

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Reef waters are bad places to measure pH – way too much photosynthesis going on. However, reefs are the only decent source for continuous, high resolution reconstructions of paleo-pH.

Open ocean pH time series, like HOTS, show very little pH variation compared to Flinders Reef and of are far too short a record length to identify any of the natural cyclical variability documented in Flinders Reef.

There are no measurements of pre-industrial oceanic pH, apart from boron isotope proxies from ancient coral reefs and these show no secular pH trend.

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71 thoughts on “The Great Barrier Reef Is Apparently Indestructible… But Still Doomed

      • David – so, the reefs will be gone but when conditions return to favorability they’ll grow back in 2000 years?

        • When sea level drops 100 m during the next glacial stage and then rises 100 m during the next interglacial stage… The reef will move. As such, only dead coral will remain at the abandoned previous addresses.

          • 18 years apart.

            You ought to study marine geology and get some observational perspective on how routine and prosaic those minor transient events are. Much ado about nothing, but for serving the clickbait interests of doomer content providers getting a payday from google, and its ‘clients’.

            CAGW much, zazove?

          • Mmmm, well yes, less than 18 would be a catastrophic event – for whichever portions of the reef it killed. And water temperatures are rising. And you want to lecture me about, well something? Go for it.

            Still calling for any last minute GBR tourists… if you want to visit some really nice reef in parts of the northern and Central sectors don’t wait, you’ll miss out.

          • “Still calling for any last minute GBR tourists… if you want to visit some really nice reef in parts of the northern and Central sectors don’t wait, you’ll miss out.”

            That’s your problem, and that of most chicken littles. You’re only looking at things from an extremely short human time frame, and ignoring geologic history.

          • So zazove, you are predicting that SLR is going to go from millimeters per year to meters per decade soon?
            Unless you are, your comment has no relevance. As usual.

      • exactly…it didn’t die off…it moved
        they are all doing that right now……we call it recruitment

      • Some more-
        Coral Reef near Coast of Cuba in pristine condition – Reefs.com
        Coral Reef near Coast of Cuba in pristine condition – A crew of CBS “60minutes” grabbed an underwater video camera and went diving with marine biologists on what …
        Search domain reefs.comhttps://reefs.com/2012/01/06/coral-reef-near-coast-of-cuba-…More results
        Exploring the mysteries of Cuba’s coral reefs | Science News …
        Researchers are studying the mysterious lives of creatures in and near Cuba’s coral … Coral reefs there are so pristine that some … environmental conditions.
        Search domain http://www.sciencenewsforstudents.orghttps://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/exploring

      • I wonder if this post could be used as the basis of a reference page, so that whenever the climate warriors claim the reefs are disappearing there is an easy access resource to point out the errors of their ways?
        Anthony may be a bit busy at the moment with the site move in progress but something to consider for the future.

      • Excellent compilation, David

        Reminded me of Michael Chrichton writing about the indestructability of life in “Jurassic Park”, here masterfully intoned by Charlton Heston:

  1. Wow! You put a lot of work into that. Thank you. The GBR has been around in one form or another for about 1/2 million years. Great drops and rises in sea levels didn’t kill it. Warming oceans and rising SL didn’t kill it. Typhons can’t kill it. Plagues of coral eating fish and star fish haven’t killed it. Changes in ocean pH haven’t killed it.
    Now the big scare is that sunscreens using BP-2 will kill it.

  2. Coral Reefs are better adapted to the real world than is your average climate scientist.

  3. The coral reefs at Bikini, a nuclear test site in the Pacific, are T-H-R-I-V-I-N-G.
    What is this psychotic need that these people have to meddle with something that can do quite well without their MEDDLING?????? What are these earnest pips going to do when Australia finally gets to the Equator?
    A small, primitive critter than can migrate at will in the ocean depths does not need their interference.

    • Maybe the bombs eradicated all their bacterial parasites – now they are healthier.

  4. Thanks David, I’ll pass this along to a recreational diving friend who tends to worry about coral. He incidentally has a large reef aquarium in his basement.
    When I saw the picture, I was reminded of Phil Collins and his upcoming “I’m Not Dead Yet” tour.

  5. “Today’s rate of sea level rise is moderate—about 10% of the rate 13,000 years ago—but going forward it may accelerate dramatically, she says.”
    “The new research is “yet another reminder” that what we’re doing to the ocean is going to have dramatic consequences, Eakin says.”
    The above are 2 more examples of Junk science that is being produced by 97% of climatologists these days.

    • Yes. How is the rate going to rise dramatically when the vast majority of land ice, as compared to 30k years ago, is already gone?

  6. Today’s rate of sea level rise is moderate—about 10% of the rate 13,000 years ago—but going forward it may accelerate dramatically, she says.
    Good, then my investment in AZ beach-front property is gonna pay off going forward!

  7. The present Great Barrier Reef is not much more than 8,000 years old, as it was all well above sea level until then, something noted in David Attenborough’s recent Blue Planet series. And then it was re-stocked from Indonesian reefs to the north, which were and are much warmer than the sea off the Queensland’s coast

  8. A friend of mine keeps Koi Carp. He’s fastidious about his husbandry, but knows he needn’t be.
    These fragile creatures are a lot less fragile than we imagine. You see, he created a pond for someone and stocked it with small Koi. The friend lost interest after a year or so and abandoned the project by simply neglecting the pond.
    Four years went by and my friend was invited in to remove the pond as it was just an algae covered puddle by then.
    When they pulled the liner out, it was complete with gunge, slime, filth and, Koi Carp the size of the creature from the blue lagoon. He realised then that these things don’t need human intervention to survive.
    Four years of no water treatment, cleaning, or food, and precious little water unless it rained, and they didn’t just live, they flourished.
    Ignore the GBR, it’ll be just fine.

    • Carp and other cyprinids are rather special. They are virtually indestructible. I can tell a true tale about a pond in Sweden which had become infested with tench Tinca tinca. First they dosed it with rotenone. Lots of dead tench rose to the surface, but a year or two later they were just as numerous as before. Then they drained the pond. No good, the tench just burrowed down into the mud and survived. Then they drained it in autumn and left it dry till next spring. Still no luck, apparently tench can estivate. Then they drained it a third time and mined it with dynamite and blew the whole thing up. Mud and tench cascaded, but after landing the survivors just wriggled down into the mud again and disappeared. Then they gave up.

    • Creature from the Black Lagoon.
      Blue Lagoon is where Brooke Shields and Christopher Atkins frolicked.

  9. Corals have pelagic larvae. That means that they release millions of larvae to drift freely with the ocean currents. Nearly all die and it might seem an insanely ineffective way to procreate. But it virtually guarantees that any suitable unoccupied substrate will be quickly colonized.
    And for a coral larva that happens to settle first on a new volcanic island or a Great Barrier Reef that has been onshore and dead since the previous interglacial it means that it has hit the evolutionary jackpot and will have countless billion offspring.

  10. AAAS: “as the last ice age ended, entire stretches of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef perished. Rising sea levels blanketed the world’s largest collection of corals with sediment coming off the newly inundated land.” The whole reef perished, because it was 400 feet above the sea level. Today’s Reef IS that “newly inundated land”. What beautiful sinecures does the AAAS provide.

    • ” … Rising sea levels blanketed the world’s largest collection of corals … ”
      —-

      And that is totally incorrect for a start, the GBR currently is known to have around 420 coral species, but reefs near the equator have around 2,500 species of coral.

      The GBR has never been the worlds largest collection of corals, it is just by far the largest collection of about 15% of known coral species on Earth.

      It’s actually the other much more significant 85% of species, elsewhere, that may have a problem, what with the Chinese relentlessly slaughtering them, completely unchallenged by hypicritical greenies, over the past decade.

      No money in that! Maybe a CHICOM dungeon.

      Saint Attenborough shrugged.

  11. Today’s rate of sea level rise is moderate—about 10% of the rate 13,000 years ago—but going forward it may accelerate dramatically, she says.

    what ice can even melt today. Some of Greenland and a little bit in northern Antarctica? Compare that to the massive mile thick low latitude ice sheets in North America and Europe that melted in the past. There is no possibility of modern melting to exceed the melt rate from the end of the last glaciation. It is absurd to even suggest the possibility.

  12. “We haven’t drilled or sampled everything,” says Webster, ….”
    Well baby, then let the oil companies in to make up for the lack of drill holes.

  13. David Middleton ==> Yes, one of the most egregious omissions in the MSM reporting of reef science is that ONLY shallow water reefs are affected by high Sea Surface Temperatures, and thus are the only reefs that are hit by high temp bleaching. Deeper reefs are largely undisturbed. The deeper reefs thus “re-seed” the shallow-water reefs.
    Anyone who has scuba’d reefs deeper than 10-15 meters knows how fast the water temperature varies with depth. The very warm water right at the surface often floats on a layer of cooler water below.

  14. Facts don’t matter. Corals are dying and CO2 is the cause. That is the narrative. Repeat 10,000 times in every news outlet across the planet. Repetition = truth = the New Scientism.

    • And adaptation to coal use for electical generation was and still is an evolutionary masterstroke.

      It’s survival of the fittest, in action.

      The eco-hippy loons just can’t bear to face the fact that evolution is occuring, right before their blinketed eyes, every time they see an urban area or industrial zone, or hospital or supermarket. They want to pretend evolution stopped, because technology is just bad form. However, technological advantage is the finest example of species adaptation, to ever occur on this planet.

      We inhabit low earth orbit now.

      But I have no illusions or doubt that coral will easily out adapt, overcone and out survive human beings.

      Corals are about as vulnerable as bacteria.

  15. Thanks David!
    Coral reefs emphatically illustrate that adaptation to our ever-changing earthly environments drives evolutionary success. Adapt and Thrive!

  16. An intersting fact is that few if any cores through major reef have found coral much older than about 800 000 years. Before that time glacial cycles were only about 40 000 years long, and interglacial were cooler and only lasted a few thousand years. Apparently this wa not enough time to form really large reefs.
    There have been some monstrous reefs in the past. The Napier Range around Kimberley in Australia is an old fringing reef from the Devonian. And the Guadalupe mountins in Texas is an exhumed part of a barrier reef around the Triassic Delaware Sea. When you stand looking up at El Capitan you are in effect standing on the floor of the Triassic ocean looking up at a barrier reef.

  17. By Katie LanginMay. 28, 2018 , 11:00 AM
    “Thirteen thousand years ago, as the last ice age ended, entire stretches of Australia’s Great Barrier Reef perished. Rising sea levels blanketed the world’s largest collection of corals with sediment coming off the newly inundated land, blocking the sunlight corals need to grow. The reef eventually recovered, but it took hundreds to thousands of years.”
    Something is in error with the timelines – 13,000 years ago and it toook hundreds of thousands of years to recover??

  18. The team examined eight coral reefs in the Palauan archipelago and found high levels of acidification within the lagoons and inlets of the Palau Rock Islands. But despite the high levels, the Rock Island coral reefs appear to be extremely healthy.

    So what is the pH of these lagoons? A quick search of the linked article as well as the internet give no answer. Only this:

    The researchers found that acidification levels in the Palau Rock Islands are as high now as the open ocean is projected to be by the end of this century.

    What does that even mean? Well Taro Takahashi, a professor at Columbia University’s Earth Institute states (on a different web page)

    The magnitude of acidification depends primarily on the amount of CO2 emitted into the air, and I agree with their prediction for the magnitude of acidification: the pH of surface ocean water decreases from today’s about 8.1 to about 7.75 by 2100 (an increase of 225 percent in the hydrogen ion concentrations),

    So less basic (not acidic at all) by 0.35. I guess the 225% hydrogen ion statement is meant to scare us. The fact is that this not acidic by any definition.

    • I believe the key point is that the lagoon is “about as acidic as the oceans are expected to get” and yet the coral are doing quite fine thank you.

      In other words, the slightly higher hydrogen ion concentrations that might happen around 2100 will be no problem for the coral to handle.
      Presumably all other types of sea life are not being dissolved in those lagoons either.

  19. David: excellent post. Thank you.
    I am sure that you will be well aware of the following resource, but others may not be, so I thought it worth highlighting.
    https://www.nodc.noaa.gov/ocads/oceans/time_series_moorings.html
    Click on ocean of interest (e.g. Pacific), then on a specific site (blue triangle, e.g. GAKOA, Alaska), and then on “See real time data graphics for this mooring”. Then wait, perhaps go get a coffee, and finally one or two plots will be displayed (this may be sometime after the “page loading” has disappeared … don’t give up, it’s worth the wait!).
    The huge variations in “local” oceanic pCO2, both at individual sites and between sites, are very illuminating. Not all sites have pH measurements and even when they do, they are usually quite short stretches. But it’s a lot better than relying solely on the Aloha/HOT values!

  20. No one that even claims to study corals is this stupid…..go to one extreme of their range and watch them come and go

  21. “How in the hell could anyone interpret this as indicating that coral is more fragile than previously thought? Or that somehow, coral can’t adapt to the “Anthropocene”… When it readily adapted to far more dramatic climatic changes over the past 30,000 200 million years?”
    David,
    What you have found is classic DoubleThink.

    “Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one’s mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

    h/t to George Orwell and 1984.

  22. there was a recent Nature article looking at coral reef chemistry, because they discovered that they don’t behave like lumps of calcium in water, and don’t dissolve when the pH changes. The scientists were most confused, and concerned that their scare models were not based on (observed) reality

    can’t find the original one i was looking at, but here’s two others

    https://www.nature.com/news/2007/070329/full/news070326-13.html
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-13393-1

    • Interesting articles, especially the first. However, they don’t exactly spell good things for coral reefs.

      “Skeleton-building corals seem to have suddenly appeared in great abundance during the Triassic, about 237 million years ago; there is little fossil evidence for them beforehand, during periods of high atmospheric carbon dioxide3. Daphne Fautin, a marine zoologist at the University of Kansas, suggests that the calcium carbonate skeleton, which we see as a defining characteristic of stony corals, may in fact be an ephemeral trait that waxes and wanes in response to environmental changes.

      The difference with contemporary climate change Fautin warns, “is the rate with which CO2 is accumulating — organisms may not be able to keep up.”

      Fine is quick to point out that his findings contain no good news for the future of coral reefs, or the fish that depend on them for protection and food. “We have to remember that while coral polyps may survive, reefs won’t,” he says.”
      …………………………………………..
      The second article also supports the idea that coral reefs could be in trouble. “Several studies reveal how calcifying algae4,5, corals4,6,7 and coral reef communities, including fish8, show reduced calcification rates under low seawater pH, due to depleted carbonate saturation. Moreover, many biological processes and physiological functions independent of calcification may be impacted by decreasing pH9,10,11. Ocean acidification negatively influences the metabolism of marine invertebrates that have a low ability to compensate for disturbances to the extracellular ion and acid-base status, leading to negative effects on reproduction and behaviour12.”

  23. David!

    It was the “ocean pH” thing that got me to question the whole CAGW scam in the first place…..and I’m so glad it did. This is an excellent collection of information you have assembled here and a great resource. It’s just a pity that the folks at JCU and CSIRO don’t appear to read any of this stuff! Great work, David – thanks for the post.

  24. ” … “We haven’t drilled or sampled everything,” says Webster, … ”
    —-

    They won’t have even a FRACTION of the core data necessary to make ANY of those claims. I strongly suspect this is more ‘modelling for money’ due GIGO fun ‘n games with the ‘workstation’ in the corner.

    When a boy I was shocked to find I caught LIVING coral in Smith’s Inlet, which is the Cairns harbour estury which is a cutoff arm of a river, that changed its course many moons ago.

    Why I was shocked was due to exactly were I’d ‘caught’ this living hard coral, on my hook. It was in a deep hole, about 60 ft deep, on the south western side of the upper western reaches of this very muddy nearly opaque water that is mangrove lined, in a crocodile infested inlet, in the main western channel (~ 75 to 100 m wide) between Admiralty Island, and the mainland. With thick blackish smelly swamp mud (H2S laden) lining the near banks at low tide.

    It seemed impossible!

    How could LIVING coral possibly live let alone survive there?

    We saw a familiar old guy at the boat ramp and showed it to him, and he nodded knowingly, and even told me where I’d snagged my line on it. And he was right! He said yes, coral does grow in the derp muddy brackish tidal water hole in the main channel, with storm water creeks flowing in along the landward side of the area (which the crocodiles love to inhabit, btw).

    So since a boy I’ve known firsthand that corals were so much tougher and more environmentally flexible and tollerant than any JCU or AIMs coral gurus posture about, and its much alleged fragility.

    They are hopelessly wrong. They don’t know what they don’t know. The GBR, and corals in general will see out feeble humanity with no problem at all.

    They are survivors, and don’t need our money spent, at all. Only fakes and cons want our money.to ‘save’ the coral. Forelock tuggers.

  25. The cynic in me says that if you are a marine biologist who’s job (hobby, passion) is to study the Great Barrier Reef, then producing a study that says there are no problems with the reef is professional suicide.
    Hence studies that say there is a problem or at least contain a recommendation that says more work is required to understand why there is not a problem make perfect sense.
    People respond to the incentives

  26. The Atlantic says

    “Coral reefs may stop growing as CO2 concentration levels approach 450 ppm, which is expected over the coming decades.”

    Bold mine. Equally true is, that coral reefs may not stop growing in 450 ppm. In fact, I’m ready to place a large sum of money in a bet that when we reach 500 ppm, corals are still growing, even the Great Barrier Reef is still there and growing.

    Any takers? It might do people good to put their money in. Of course, It might take a good 50 years before we reach 500 ppm, so it would be nice to have a market for the bets.

  27. That was really one of the more enjoyable long articles I’ve read recently. I was thinking Scientific American used to do these sorts of fun science articles. But no more, I guess.

  28. Coral death may also be due to the scuba divers, specifically to the ingredients in their sunscreen. I’ve commented on this before. See the citations in my comment to https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/coral-before-people-hawaii-bans-popular-sunscreen-products/ . Here are some more links:

    Oxybenzone (benzophenone-3):
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/oops-it-may-not-be-ocean-acidification-killing-coral-after-all-common-chemical-found-in-sunscreen-is-poisonous-to-coral-reefs/
    https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/feb14/sunscreen.html

    “We are trying to establish how coral actually works, by sampling at 35 different reefs with three locations on each reef. … In all the trip will equate to 20,000 samples and 3,500 dives. It is on a scale never attempted before, over the Pacific Ocean, which is home to about 40 per cent of the world’s coral. .. What we are seeing is that although climate change is a stress factor, the impact is heterogeneous even between sites on the same reef. Local stresses such as sewage, sedimentation and overfishing also make an impact.”
    http://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/article/2139287/why-hong-kong-has-toughest-coral-world-and-how-agnes-b-mission-help-save

    “Sunscreens containing nano-zinc oxides, an increasingly popular ingredient to reduce chalkiness and tackiness in products, were found to shorten the lifespans of both freshwater and marine microalgae by between 40 and 70 per cent.”
    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/2128159/your-sunscreen-may-be-killing-marine-life-hong

    Nano-particles:
    https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b00345

    Multiple ingredients:
    https://stream2sea.com/ingredients-to-avoid
    http://ecosalon.com/coral_is_feeling_the_burn/

    Four common sunscreen ingredients [octinoxate, oxybenzone and 4-methylbe­nzylidene camphor and butylparaben] activate viruses that kill an algae that feeds coral through protosyn­thesis:
    http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080129/full/news.2008.537.html
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2291018/

    “Coral cannot tolerate industrial waste, products with bleach in it, or formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is used in the chemical toilets on the boats, not to stink. It’s that thing that kept Lenin fresh for 80years, kills everything living, for very long time. Algae that give the beautiful colour to corals, is a living thing… Some idiots have being emptying those toilets on few patches on the reef – few patches are only bleached.” stefanthedenier comment to:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/reef-alarmists-jump-the-shark/

  29. The way to evaluate this question well is not to only look at the research (or press releases) about reef resilience, but to look at the research documenting problems at the same time. Is anyone saying that all corals will go extinct? Or that they have never dealt with habitat changes in the past?

    The fact that reefs lived in different conditions or moved in response to change is no surprise. Many corals can be expected to migrate and/or adapt evolutionarily. The questions are whether they are able to find new places to colonize, how quickly they can adapt to current and future change, and how much coral diversity and mass will be lost in the meantime, which could affect the wider ecosystems that depend on coral reefs. Some coral species grow quickly, some slowly; some are common and some rare, some generalists, some specialists. Some grow at greater depths, and it is no surprise that they are doing better than those in shallow water.

    The fact that corals in the past lived in different conditions is of limited relevance since organisms evolve. What would be interesting is finding out whether there have been physiological limits in corals’ ability to adapt to specific combinations of conditions (temp, light, salinity, pH, water chemistry) – but that is more properly done in the lab, I suspect.

    It may well be that shallow reefs and their diversity can fully recover in a few thousand years (as one cherry said), but that doesn’t mean much to us in the next few human generations. The point is, it could be a major ecosystem disruption, and a very expensive one. Coral reefs are more than a huge tourism industry. They supply food to millions. They are protective barriers against storms and erosion, and can be integral to the formation and maintenance of islands. Post-hurricane rebuilding around Puerto Rico included veteran Special Ops reattaching corals to their bases. The far north coast of Queensland would look very different were it not for the GBR.

    “And if the water gets too warm, coral larvae just drift into cooler waters closer to the poles. ”
    Yeah, no problem – the corals around Hawaii can just drift north and hope to find a suitable spot – right depth, pH, temp, light, nutrients… Isn’t only whether corals can move, but whether all the other creatures that are part of the reef ecosystem can do the same. Reef and mangrove ecosystems overlap, and they in turn overlap with open sea flora and fauna. Ecosystems are interdependent. Major loss of reef would mean more than just another poster child for greenies. (I haven’t formed an opinion yet about how bad a problem it is.)

    “…In the event of yet another Ice Age we must hope that reef alarmists have not denied us the things we will need to survive – food, energy, chemicals, shelter, concrete and steel generated by carbon fuels.”
    It’s what “skeptics'” discussion of science so often comes back to: “alarmists” are bent on eliminating all fossil fuel use despite terrible consequences to humanity. It’s an emotional narrative, with fear and victimhood and powerful oppressors. Brilliant! Perfect strawman to attach to the idea of AGW. No surprise this bit of rhetoric is from the world-renowned coral reef scholars at http://www.americanthinker.com

    “I’m really beginning to think that the only thing coral reefs can’t handle are too many scuba divers.” That’s what happens when you engage in confirmation bias, David! Even if it’s true (and I don’t doubt that’s part of the problem), presumably even a temporary, partial coral bleaching could make matters worse by concentrating the number of divers in areas that are not affected, resulting in indirect damage from bleaching.

    “The boron 10/11 ratio from Flinders Reef (GBR) demonstrates that seawater pH around the reef has generally ignored atmospheric CO2 over the past 250 years and that the coral has easily adapted to 0.2 pH unit swings every 50-60 years”

    Why does the pH on the graph stop at 1980? The biggest swing I see is 0.15 pH.
    …………………………..
    It’s perfectly legitimate to be skeptical of the claims made about coral bleaching. But simply looking for any evidence that all will be fine and ignoring any research suggesting they will have problems is more likely to lead one astray than get at the truth. I know there are alarmists who do the equivalent, but does that mean it’s OK to stoop to the same biased, misleading ploys and rhetoric?

    WUWT does a wonderful job of catering to a segment of the population and delivering support for one side of the story. The natural corollary is that some readers are led on a path that might not be towards truth. Truth doesn’t care about ideology, or the economics of fossil fuels or what conditions corals tolerated 100 million years ago. Truth doesn’t care whether Michael Mann is a jerk and hid a statistical error 20 years ago, or that Monckton lies about others’ research even after being publicly corrected.

    Truth remains unchanged no matter how much liberals and conservatives despise and insult each other.

    Truth is not owned by a political party or media conglomerate.

    When it comes to discussing the climate of the future, there is no truth. It’s contingent on natural variation, but also on us. I think the future lies somewhere between “catastrophe” and “benign,” but I strongly believe the negative effects will depend on the rate of change, and we don’t need net zero CO2 emissions to influence that. Organisms can adapt. People can move and adapt. New technologies can be discovered to deal with change, including the creation of crops that make optimum use of the new conditions. But the slower the change, the better off we will be.

  30. But the slower the change, the better off we will be.

    And there in the in final sentence is the crux. Your opinion.

    This whole post is full of “could”s “might”s with nothing to substantiate other than opinion.

    Your problem Kristi, is just like the majority of the loudest alarmists like Bill Mckibben is that you are afraid of something that hasn’t happened yet and afraid that humans are the cancer of the earth and are evil.

    More importantly you are afraid of change full stop. At no point have you considered that a warmer earth might on balance be better for life on the planet which is supported by geologically warmer periods on the planet in the past having global wide abundance of life.

    Sometimes change is good and this needs to be part of the debate. It never is on the alarmist side.

  31. In graph 3. coral reefs are dying, what does “strong negative CO2 emissions” mean the so named series?

  32. If you are not a fanatical green, it is generally accepted that during the Roman warm period global sea levels were approx. 2m higher than today, and average global temperatures were warmer. From what we know of coral reefs and sea levels, that means the GBR had probably grown up to that higher stand at that time. Since then, sea levels have gyrated but basically fallen to the LIA lows, now rebounding.

    The likely story here is that coral reefs are dynamic, and they grow up and die down with the moves in sea level, which appear to follow natural moves in average global temperature. Recent history shows that the impending death of the GBR is highly unlikely.

  33. If you plot annual sea surface temperatures for the GBR you will see that the highs all match el Nino events, and as these are not getting more frequent, things are not getting worse.
    And a question, can someone explain why GBR pH is going down when the sea is getting warmer?

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