Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?

by James Delingpole

Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?

The latest to be exposed is, of course, New York’s ex-Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.

When Schneiderman wasn’t busy – allegedly – “choking, beating and threatening”  women, he was busy bullying the people he calls “climate deniers”.

Here he is on a video in 2014 declaring that “climate deniers have no place in public life.”

He was also one of the lead instigators of a scheme by liberal Attorneys General to use lawfare to harass fossil fuel companies such as Peabody Energy and Exxon Mobil. In 2016, he hosted 16 fellow Democrat AGs and former Vice President Al Gore to launch a coalition called AGs United for Clean Power.

“With gridlock and dysfunction gripping Washington, it is up to the states to lead on the generation-defining issue of climate change. We stand ready to defend the next president’s climate change agenda, and vow to fight any efforts to roll-back the meaningful progress we’ve made over the past eight years,” said Attorney General Schneiderman. “Our offices are seriously examining the potential of working together on high-impact, state-level initiatives, such as investigations into whether fossil fuel companies have misled investors about how climate change impacts their investments and business decisions.”

My, how the wheel of fortune has turned since!

Schneiderman’s departure from the scene represents a major blow for the Climate Industrial Complex and its efforts to undermine the Trump administration’s environmental and energy reforms. The jubilation among skeptics has been unconfined, as E & E News reports:

“A lot of climate skeptics are smiling at his downfall because he was an out-of-control, really wacky guy who held a lot of power,” said Marc Morano, who runs the blog Climate Depot.

Morano and his allies have been especially disdainful of the legal attempts Schneiderman led to hold Exxon Mobil Corp. and other oil companies accountable for global warming, calling him “the ultimate shakedown artist.”

“Let’s take a moment to pause and take a look at the strategy of blaming energy companies for bad weather,” Morano said. He added that Schneiderman’s resignation and quick disappearance from the public scene will force climate activists to reconsider their approach.

“He was the lightning rod,” he said. “He was the instigator. It definitely limits the movement when you take out the lead guy.”

Yup. But we still haven’t answered the question: why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such reptiles?

Let me give you a few more examples:

Al Gore and the Portland massage therapist (one of several victims, allegedly, of his tentacular groping…)

Rajendra Pachauri, former head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, exposed as a serial sex pest.

David Suzuki – Canada’s most feted eco-campaigner who just happens to be a dick who is extremely rude and – see also Gore – an appalling hypocrite:

Suzuki, who did not return calls to respond, spends a lot of time hectoring others about over-population (but he has five children), reducing our carbon footprint (he has a jet-set lifestyle of the rich and famous), living smaller (he owns four houses in B.C. and an apartment in Port Douglas, Australia) and much else besides.

Journalist Licia Corbella: David Suzuki told me to ‘F-off’, but his hypocrisy gives the finger to his message

Michael Mann – creator of that discredited artifact the Hockey Stick – who apart from being a hypersensitive and hyper-litigious bully likes to claim, falsely, that he won the Nobel Prize.

etc.

This is only a hypothesis – though it’s a lot more plausible, I think, than man-made global warming theory – but I think it might have to do with the well-observed phenomenon that unpleasant people are attracted to environmental causes in order to greenwash their image.

They’re a bit like sinners who in the past tried to expunge themselves of their earthly vices by engaging in particularly bracing acts of religious devotion.

Championing green causes is the modern equivalent of donning a hair shirt, or going on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem, or renouncing society altogether and living on top of a rock in the desert.

The difference is, of course, that there is no personal cost, no suffering involved. You just parade all your green virtue and, hey presto, it magicks away all your vices without any of the trouble of forcing yourself to become a better person.

This isn’t just true of green virtue-signaling, by the way. It’s true of people who espouse liberal politics generally.

Greens and liberals are always looking for dirt in the lives of leading conservatives. The psychological term for this is “Projection.”

Full story at Breitbart


In other news:

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He is absolutely right.

Trebla

Of course he is right, but who do you hold up as an icon of virtue? DJT? Don’t make me laugh.

Sheri

Depends on what you mean by “icon of virtue”? There’s no such thing as a perfect person. The question is how imperfect one is allowed to be. Trump had few if any complaints before he was elected, so it’s fairly safe to assume that the hatred and complaints are not about his behavior, but the fact that he beat Hillary.
What is an “icon of virtue”? Are they like unicorns—pure fantasy?

PTP

People didn’t vote for Trump because they thought he was the most righteous and morally pure, we voted for him because his personal flaws are compatible with the battles we want him to fight.
Winston Churchill was a great wartime Prime Minister, but was ONLY effective and desirable as a PM in time of war.
We didn’t think that we were electing a saint, we voted to put a giant in the vanguard.

John Endicott

Nobody holds up DJT as an “icon of virtue”. The people were well aware of his flaws when they voted for him. His main “virtue” was that he wasn’t Hillary and he wasn’t an establishment politician (ie swamp creature).

kenji

And Mr. Endicott … he wasn’t a … Republican either. Not a GOPe. Which is why he is STILL being attacked. Through the complicity of Mitch McConnel, John McCain, et.al.

Marty

I totally agree with PTP. I knew I didn’t like Trump as a person when I voted for him in both the primary and the general election. I knew what type of person he was. But he was the only candidates who was talking about real issues that really mattered. And I wasn’t voting for him to be my best buddy. I was voting for him because I agreed with his position on the big issues. If you were hiring a financial manager to handle your money, which would you prefer – a guy who sweet talks you and is a crook and who puts in some lousy investments or a guy you might not like on a personal level and who has a miserable personal life but who is a sharp investor and will make you some good investments?

Tom O

And why does any program or anything need “an icon of virtue?” I don’t expect any person to be totally virtuous, an icon, if you will – including myself. I do expect people to live the life they believe others should live if they truly believe that lifestyle is required. You can appear in any concert hall, lecture hall, or even beer hall via the internet, so you don’t need to “jet off” to some neat touristy place to give a lecture. I don’t follow leaders that say “do as I say, not as I do.” I follow leaders that do themselves what they say is right, not what is nice. And as for elected officials, you hold their records accountable, and if they aren’t good, well…

Crispin in Waterloo

Trebla, what does this have to do with DJT? Are you suggesting there are only two ‘sides’ on this entire planet? Look closely: it has more facets than denizens.
We have no reason to accept nonsense as guidance, whether mathematical in the case of the Hockey Stick, or in the case of the moralizing attack dogs proposing how morality needs to be adopted by others. As they say, people who live in glass houses, shouldn’t.
Defrocking one climate cleric doesn’t tell us anything about the mismatching socks of another. When it comes to morals, Western civilization is tottering so I can’t see much advantage in getting preachy or condescending. Let’s agree the tunnel is long and there is not much light.

MarkW

Does Trump pay rent for the space he occupies in your head?

“Trebla May 11, 2018 at 9:13 am
Of course he is right, but who do you hold up as an icon of virtue? DJT? Don’t make me laugh.”

You should laugh. The joke is clearly on you.
Why do you impugn a functioning sitting President who is actually accomplishing his promises?
Why do you impugn President trump when the discussion is about prominent environmental campaign scumbags, sleazebag, hypocrites, frauds and trolling trollops?
Whom do you to offer in contrast to President Trump?
Queen HRC?
Emperor BOH?
Bill Clinton?
Either of the Bushs’?
Fauxahontas?
Socialist Sanders?
Any of the boring Republican also rans?
Making it quite certain you suffer from TDS (Trump Derangement Symptoms).
For some personal reason, you wanted to irrationally impugn a President, whose successful accomplishments have already substantially improved:
America’s economy,
international relationships,
dealt successively with several rogue countries,
improved American hope while reducing thousands of regulations.
etc.
and all within 18 months, even while Democrats actively pursue scorched Earth obstructionism.
All while the alleged “Russia collusion” false claims implode as ongoing investigations unveils illegality after illegality, all performed by colluding Democrat partisans and FBI/DOJ miscreants.
The last few months have witnessed DOJ/FBI desperately hiding information regarding their FISA applications allegedly based on a Trump Transition employee.
The last few days have been filled with discussion regarding the new revelation that the FBI had an embedded agent infiltrating the Trump Campaign team; while Mueller’s prosecutions get destroyed in courtrooms.
Worse and worse!
Lots of proven colluding seditious Democrat partisans are in line for indictments and wearing orange jumpsuits.
Yet, you trebla, focus on slimily impugning the one highly visible functioning performing Government employee, President Trump.
There are other descriptive terms for your insulting attitude; ungrateful, unhelpful, ungracious, illogical, etc.

HotScot

Trebla
It’s difficult to appear credible attacking the POTUS from the humble positions in life you and I occupy.
“So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”
Could you cast the first stone?
I couldn’t.

MarkG

If Trump wasn’t ‘an icon of virtue’ by the standards of modern politicians who think nothing of exploiting charity rules, using their position to make money, or murdering thousands for political gain, he wouldn’t be in the White House. The left have been desperate to find anything significant that they can use against him for two years now, and have completely failed.

hunter

DNFTT

Greg

Well actually he is not “absolutely right”.

Greens and liberals are always looking for dirt in the lives of leading conservatives. The psychological term for this is “Projection.”

The psychological term “projection” ( which is not a proper noun ) means identifying faults in others which are faults that you ( subconsciously ) recognise in yourself. It does NOT mean digging dirt on the opposition.
Apart from that final paragraph , he does have a good argument.

The only true and proper leadership is by personal example.
That is the true virtue.
I am still looking for green leader to live by his/her words.

Jtom

I’ve lived under a lot of Presidents, now. It is most interesting that the worst Presidents were the most virtuous ones. Carter would head the list (who only lusted in his heart), followed by Ford, then Obama (who only smoked, and dabbled with drugs in college), Eisenhower (long-term extra-marital affair), Nixon (paranoia, severe lack of honesty, as opposed to being merely dishonest like the rest), Bush 1 groped women (my favorite magician was David Cop-a-feel), Bush II (alcohol, questionable ethics), Kennedy (women and drugs), Clinton (sexual assault). The jury is out on how bad Trump is wrt virtue. The odd man out is Reagan, who seems to have had a clean record except for his divorce, yet was one of the most effective Presidents.

Tom Halla

Jtom, you forgot Lyndon Johnson, who was sort of effective on civil rights, but used political pull (at least) to enrich himself, and was noted for several long term affairs, and systematic personal abuse of his aides. Getting into his foreign policy would be a long post, but he was quite willing to have people die to avoid political embarrassment.

Jtom

When you need to drain the swamp, you don’t send in a priest. You send in a bigger bully than the ones who have infested the swamp.

Craig M Carmichael

He was elected and will be re elected, to the job of President , not icon of virtue. By icon of virtue do you mean Jefferson, Washington etc. Or do you mean Alinsky or Clinton ( either, both) or Obama, who collected a Nobel Peace prize before spending every day of his two terms at war, the only President to ever do so.

PTP

Greg,
When referring to a specific word, that word then BECOMES a proper noun. This is because at that point, you are using the word as a name for itself.
Additionally, the projection that was being referred to, was the assumption that there simply must be something nefarious to uncover with all of their digging, because they know how they go about gaining power.

Caligula Jones

“Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?”
I believe its what psychologists call “projection”, i.e., they are compensating for their wretched behaviour by appearing to be super-virtuous.

Louis

And who has more incentive to engage in virtue signalling than hypocrites and sleazebags who have something to hide in their private lives? If they work so hard to erect a grand facade of virtue, it is because they hope to hide who they really are behind the facade.

jorgekafkazar

Projection is not compensation. Projection consists of unconsciously impugning someone else’s character based on actual flaws within oneself.

Greg

thank you jorge, too many including JD, don’t seem to have the slightest idea what projection mean in psychology while claiming that others are engaged in psychological projection.
I guess that means that they are just making ill-informed claims to dig dirt on the opposition. Sounds like projection to me.

whiten

David Johnson
May 11, 2018 at 9:02 am
He is absolutely right.
———–
Yes, certainly his absolutely right.
He is broken, by his own self destructing megalomania and the bullish self rightness.
By his own definition and addressing in this issue, he happens to be a proven climate denier.
Farther more, the used term “harassment” does not do justice, is more like an open wide public extortion.
The most arrogant bullish “gangster” like extortion, with no any regard what so ever for the constitution of his own country.
cheers

did you say anything of substance? It looked about gibberish to me

I can’t make heads or tail of whom you were referring

HotScot

whiten
I suspect you are a drive by troll.
Nevertheless, as a British citizen I’ll append a response if I may be so bold.
Prior to his election, I was repulsed by Trump’s media persona as a glitzy, money grabbing, media hound who was presented as repulsive, even to gregarious Americans.
Then I saw him competing against Hilary Clinton for POTUS, no competition I thought. As much as I was wary of Hilary, I didn’t understand the depths to which her and Bill could sink, however, that was still media hype as far as I was concerned, remember, non US, casual observer.
Out of mascocistic interest, I visited Trumps website and was presented with an unsophisticated delivery of a manifesto that seemed the creation of an enthusiastic secondary school child, not wrong, but fantastically optimistic and flag waving.
I was almost horrified when he was elected, but considered him a risky bet in the face of equally risky competition, the best of the worst.
Now, our last Prime Minister was the epitome of suave, Eaton educated, cultured British gentry, and he bombed, as has our current PM who presents herself as such, but with much more humble beginnings. Despite our British Bulldog pride, we are lions, led by lambs.
We were once, led by a lion, Winston Churchill, a man at least as unpopular as Trump. We were also once led by another lion, Margaret Thatcher, now at least as unpopular as Trump. But what they both delivered, was what everyone craved, radical change. But when it came, the lambs bleated about their poor condition. But the UK prospered under both.
My perception so far is, that America is lucky to have a lion leading it, no matter how unpopular he may appear now.
Radical change is coming, you all asked for it, now you’re going to get it, good or bad. If it’s bad for you, tough titties, you asked for it. If it doesn’t suit you, console yourself, you might get what suits you next time round.
The most important thing, however, is to grasp the opportunity. It might be a rough ride, but at least it’s a ride.
Trump is a lion, be grateful he’s on your side.

Javert Chip

Whiten
Assuming you stop foaming at the mouth long enough to actually respond, I’m interested in your evidence for claiming Trump “…with no any regard what so ever for the constitution of his own country….” (sic). What exactly has Trump done to disrespect or disregard the US constitution?
Obama (I’m guessing your hero) failed to submit the Iran deal to the Senate; Obama failed to submit the Paris Accord to the Senate; Obama dispersed $1B+ in “climate funds” to the Paris group with no congressional authorization; Obama had more 9-0 reversals by the Supreme Court than any other president. All this from the world’s supposedly most intelligent constitutional scholar.
Ok, Whiten – your turn.

whiten

HotScot
May 11, 2018 at 3:30 pm
whiten
I suspect you are a drive by troll.
————
:)…It hurts, it really does, doesn’t it, HotScot…!
I think I need not much to clarify, but still for what it could help, my comment here was about the blog post addressing an AG position. The “he” as per AG.
DJT is not an AG…
He is the POTUS……me not commenting about the “he” POTUS…:)
Still the act of “her” hurts!
Cheer

MarkW

Typical,not only is whiten incapable of explaining, much less defending his position, all he can do is throw even more insults. A troll, and a low class one at that.

whiten

MarkW
May 12, 2018 at 12:42 pm
————
You pretty much starting a “sound” like me…please stop that silly “copy-cat” thingy of yours…be your self for once…oh well, if you can manage, that is.

drednicolson

“Better to live one day a lion than a hundred years a sheep.” – old Italian proverb

Simon

What a ridiculous article. So because the guy holds views on climate change that Delingpole doesn’t like, he celebrates that he is also a crook. Well guess what…. there are a number of people on the climate science denying team who are looking pretty shoddy too. Try Cardinal Pell (sex abuse against children), Scott Pruitt (nose in the trough)… hell, even the president has a number of women accusing him of sexual assault. But so what? It’s a futile and childish game trying to link an individuals belief on climate change and their morality. Does show how low Delingpole is willing to stop though. The man has no morals.

joelobryan

Simon,
You make s#!t up. The President has never been accused of sexual assault, unless you are referring to Bill Clinton.

MarkW

Interesting how simple simon once again tries to change the subject.
It’s like another troll who when we point out that wind mills kill birds, whines “well so do cars”.

MarkW

Joel, and the accusations against Pruitt remain just that. Of course to our ever loving trolls, they don’t need proof. If they needed proof, they couldn’t love the global warming sc@m.

people, DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!
It would be fun to create an article discussing the trolley trollertons who frequent the site, publicly lambasting them for their inept, inane, uninteresting blather.

Joel Snider

‘It’s a futile and childish game trying to link an individuals belief on climate change and their morality.’
Well you’ve just demonstrated your own willingness to stoop. I don’t know if it’s related to your views on climate change. There does seem to be a lot of crossover though. Kind of goes with the holier-than-thou control-freak personality type.
I wonder what sort of vices your hiding by your own posturing?

Katio1505

Has Cardinal Pell been found to be guilty of anything?

Javert Chip

Katio1505
Not yet. It appears the most credible charges of sex abuse have been dropped due to the death (due to cancer) of the claimant.
Other charges remain to be adjudicated.

Simon

joelobryan May 11, 2018 at 12:50 pm
Simon,
“You make s#!t up. The President has never been accused of sexual assault, unless you are referring to Bill Clinton.”
Summer Zervos has filed a defamation lawsuit . She was a contestant on The Apprentice, who says Trump sexually assaulted her in 2007 and then called her a liar when she spoke out about it in 2016. I”d say that’s being accused wouldn’t you?

MarkG

“I”d say that’s being accused wouldn’t you?”
So where’s the sexual assault case?

Simon

Joel Snider May 11, 2018 at 4:00 pm
‘It’s a futile and childish game trying to link an individuals belief on climate change and their morality.’
I wonder what sort of vices your hiding by your own posturing?”
Reading comprehension not a strength huh? I was making the point ones morals are irrelevant when it comes to climate change views. There are good and not so good people on both sides. Delingpole’s attempt to paint those who accept the science as more immoral than those who don’t is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Takes me back to the pathetic unabomber posters put out by some right wing nut bar group
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/may/04/heartland-institute-global-warming-murder
It’s like saying Hitler was a vegetarian so all vegetarians are mass murderers.

TA

“hell, even the president has a number of women accusing him of sexual assault.”
About a dozen or so women have publicly complained about Trump, but none have ever provided any evidence for their claims, and all have had plenty of opportunity.
One woman claimed Trump fondled her on a public airplane, and she is the only woman who has claimed Trump laid hands on her, the other women have other complaints such as one who was triggered merely by Trump asking for her telephone number, which she gave to him. Trump has a witness for the airplane fondling claim who says Trump wasn’t anywhere near the woman for the entire flight.
Normally, when you have a bunch of women making complaints about a man, you have to lean towards believing the women’s claims, but in this circumstance, you have to consider that Trump is dealing with the Clinton Mafia and the Democrats who will stoop to any low to harm their political opponents, so in this case, you have to ask yourself if this public attack on Trump by these women hasn’t been orchestrated by the Clinton Mafia and the Dems. Especially since all they have ever put forward are allegations, and have left it at that. Makes me think they don’t have a case to make or they would have made it already.
As for Stormy Daniels. She admitted in writing that she did not have an affair with Trump. Now she is changing her tune, and we know why.
The worst thing any of Trump’s critics have on Trump is his “lockerroom” talk with Billy the snake, where Trump bragged that he could grab any woman he wanted to. He didn’t say he did that, he just said he could. This is not the first time one man has bragged to another about how desireable he thinks he is to the opposite sex. This is not sexual harrassement folks. It’s braggadocio. Noone would ever know about it if this private conversation had never been made public.
So just like the Russian Collusion Lie, there is nothing on Trump concerning sexual harrassement or assault, either. Just a lot of misinterpretation and lies. And people see through it, too. The Left just knew something like this would bring Trump down. But not so fast! No, Trump’s supporters know what’s going on and support Trump.
Have a nice day.

Simon

TA
Ha ha. Believe what you will. So Donald is Mr Moral is he? Tell that to Stormy and Donnies wife.

TA

“Ha ha. Believe what you will.”
Yeah, you too, Simon.

MarkW

In Simon’s world, everyone he disagrees with is required to be an angel in all aspects of their life.
Otherwise they must be ignored.

CapitalistRoader

The man has no morals.</blockquotecomment image

Bernie

Seems like R K Pachauri would have made another paragraph, but I guess there’s enough examples.

Bernie

oops. dang.

Santa Baby

14 Psychological Forces That Make Good People Do Bad Things https://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-travis-bradberry/14-psychological-forces-t_b_9752132.html

Al Miller

Great article James. Sadly it is too true!

Good old Dellers – always get’s to the heart of the matter.

Tom Halla

“Moral” crusaders often turn out to be rather reprehensible people.The example that comes to mind was Charles Keating, a prominent anti-pornography activist who was later convicted of fraud in the Lincoln Savings and Loan case.

wws

All part of “moral licensing”, which has been discussed for. The person in question makes a great show of public virtue in some area, and then takes that as a downpayment that he can use to act abominably in another area. Leftists like Schneidermann pay great lip service to “Women’s Rights!!!” and “MeToo!” in public, and figure that gives him a Moral License to savagely beat and abuse women in private.

speaking of “metoo”, does anyone else find it ironic that most folks still read “#” as “pound”?
#MeToo! ahh the blissfully appropriate irony. The progressives never really understands just how embarrassing they are. And btw, that whole movement is about futher crippling speech and masculinity, and nothing else, save for a few straglers to get some attention (when they should have went to authorities YEARS AGO WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPENED!.
bunch of trolls and losers looking for a payout, with maybe a few reputable cases.

Javert Chip

honestliberty
Had not noticed that (but ironic, none the less).
However, I did notice an article about #metoo listing all the prominent outed scumbags (about 100+ of them).
List had about 95% liberal democrat men, 5% Republicans, and 1-2 women (go figure).

MarkW

“does anyone else find it ironic that most folks still read “#” as “pound”
For about 90% of my lifespan, that’s all it was. That and the comment symbol for a Unix script.

jim hogg

A very interesting question. I’ve thought about a variation of it from time to time . . . People who set themselves up as highly principled, as do gooders, people whose mission in life is apparently to serve others, seem often to get themselves embroiled in sex and other scandals to a noticeable degree. . . They often come across as genuinely intent on doing good and may get themselves into the public glare more as a result, and that might create a false impression that they’re more inclined to derail themselves than folks from the right of the political spectrum, who make no bones about being out to further their own interests and who get less media attention (yeah, yeah, I’m digging out my flak jacket as I type!). .. . Or . .
Or, it might just be, which is what I suspect, that trying to do good (and frequently failing because they can’t resist temptation) is simply compensatory behaviour; a kinda pursuit of redemption, which they seek because of either awareness of their inclinations, or some subconscious mechanism is at work to balance their scandalous proclivities with something saintly. I’m not saying that all do-gooders are potential sex criminals, but I think there’s something to the compensatory behaviour idea . . .

Sheri

Actually, your idea might explain carbon credits. One can dump tons of CO2 into the atmosphere (or have questionable proclivities and habits) but if one buys credits to offset it, it’s okay (if one “does good” in another area, the questionable activities can be overlooked). I hadn’t really thought of that until now, but it kind of makes sense. You can continue to “sin” if you donate enough to the cause.

Alasdair

Yes Sheri: They used to be called indulgences. Flogged off by the church. Nothing new under the sun.

Schneiderman
Schneiderman
Just another rat-faced man
Wears eye liner
As a tell
Role plays slavery
In his cell
Look out! Here comes that Schneiderman
Webs of lies
Any size
Beats the girls
Till they cries
Look out! Here comes that Schneiderman
His AG crew
Framed #ExxonKnew
Thought they’d apply
The money screw
Look out! Here comes that Schneiderman

Bryan A

That’s a +2

DR.GSPANGLOSS

LAST LINES- In his dreeeamy tights – where the girls cannot fight – he just beeeeats them ripe -with Reptilian delight – Schneiderman – did Grandstand – like Al gore in a Chakra Band
Now deplored -as a Boar – a slave driver to be ignored
Look out !! Perverse as Weiner’s lore ! -Once was a great Man Whore !
With Behind bars he’ll score- and it will be quite sore !!!!!

I am amused. Good job!

HotScot

Sorry guys, but don’t quit your day jobs.
Rob, lousy cadence first verse. Brilliant second verse, fell away third verse.
DR.GSPANGLOSS, really bad Rap.

jmichna

Ah, the pains of climate virtue signalling….

commieBob

What’s happening now is that a lot of jerks (and I suspect, some innocent folks) are being held to account. It’s going way overboard and people’s lives are being ruined over things that aren’t illegal.
I’m beginning to think that social media are ruining America. link We’re quickly going back to the days of lynch mobs and witch burnings.

Sheri

Very muchly agree with you.

this is an extension of the collectivist push, the social engineering aspect of the androgenous society.
Males don’t even want to copulate with females any more, they’d rather be on their electronic devices.
Real men are getting to the point where it isn’t worth it because they don’t even know anymore what is permissible. This is an affront to masculinity, free speech, and freedom in general. The long slow march to totalitarianism, couched in inclusive diversity gobbleygook. You know, the type of lies people like Kristi eat up.

Kristi Silber

Honestliberty,
Thanks for thinking of me. I’m afraid, though, that you’re got me mixed up with someone else. If I believed what was told me, I’d be a skeptic by now, since I’ve spent 100 times more time discussing climate with skeptics than with anyone else.. I don’t believe what I hear, though, and I do my own digging to verify what’s said. That’s how I discovered that Delingpole is not only a fool but a liar.
He’s my old nemesis, you see. I used to hang out at Breitbart, but I must have become a threat, pointing out his falsehoods, because I was banned. Banned from Breitbart! That takes some doing.
Yup, old Jimmy spreads sheer ignorant prop’ganda, lies, misinterpretations – and that’s just the science. He doesn’t know squat about the science, so he relies a lot on other blogs for his errors. His real specialty, though, is insults and slander. He loves to think of cute ways to show his hatred and spread it around.
And look how popular and powerful Breitbart is.
The internet is a wonderful tool, but it’s also an ideal way to manipulate opinions and a perfect vehicle for confirmation bias. How many of you think about that?
How many of you have really considered the campaigns of misinformation and how that affects the current situation? Have you read the documents? Seen the names of prominent skeptics hired by the energy sector to tell conservatives that the science is uncertain, still being debated, and that warming would be good anyway? And why aren’t some of the documents posted here, if space is devoted to the lawsuits? It’s big news, directly associated with climate change policy.
Maybe, just maybe, you aren’t getting the full story here?
PS Honestliberty, I know how hard it is these days, when sex is so wonderfully casual and meaningless. You’d think women would want men in a position of power groping them, rubbing against them, etc. and so forth. Women are obviously against freedom..

mikebartnz

Kristi maybe you need to practice what you speak/write.

She thinks she’s smart, but doesn’t know logic doesn’t suffer fools lightly.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, toots.
But then you’ve opened your mouth and removed all doubt. You can’t win here lady, you are outmatched in wits and intellect. But, continue to pretend. I know. It comforts your type.

HotScot

commieBob
Oh for Pete’s sake Bob.
The, “things are getting so bad the world will end” with lynch mobs and witch burnings, was the chant of my parents generation through the 50’s and 60’s. It was the chant of my early youth, and the chant of my middle age. I can’t stand the repetition of it in my later years, it’s just nonsense.
Please don’t dramatise.

Javert Chip

The gospel from HotScot.
Other’s feelings are verboten!

HotScot

Javert Chip
Are you sweet on commieBob all of a sudden?
I’m sure he”s capable of replying to me himself.
I’m certain he’d do a better job as well.

Javert Chip

HotScot
Ok. Got it. Now you control who responds.

commieBob

Jian Ghomeshi is accused of sexual assault by several females. As a result he lost his radio broadcasting job and will have trouble getting any sort of work.
Ghomeshi was charged and faced trial. The charges fell apart. In the eyes of the law he’s not guilty. In that light, it would be fair to say that his life has been ruined on the basis of unsubstantiated accusations. That’s entirely in the spirit of lynch mobs and witch burnings. The social justice warriors don’t even give lip service to things like fair play and due process.
Here’s a long list of powerful men facing (mostly unsubstantiated) sexual harassment allegations. Many have had their livelihoods destroyed. Many of those probably deserved it. What about the few that are actually innocent?

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer. link

The social justice warriors only care about vengeance. They have no concept of justice or fair play. In that regard it appears that society is taking a big step backward when the SJWs don’t face the same opprobrium as the KKK.

HotScot

Bob
Personally, I think that if there is an accusation of sexual assault against anyone it should be kept private, for the very reasons you highlight. Bandwagon jumping because an individual is famous is as bad as the sexual event itself if it’s proven to be false.
However, there is also the case to be made that when individuals are exposed by one person, and that is publicly expressed, then more victims might come forward.
Most of this kicked off in the UK with the alleged serial paedophile Jimmy Savile. A high profile entertainer who died a celebrity, but was exposed after his death. It was the blue touchpaper. However,Savile was never able to defend himself and was portrayed in the media as a monster. Not that I’m suggesting he wasn’t, my point is though, is that it was trial by media to which he couldn’t respond.
Now, the difficult bit is, am I a social justice warrior? A female colleague approached me because she claimed to have been sexually assaulted by a manager of our department. I can’t unknow that information so I reported it to my company’s whistle blowing department because the manager might already have been under investigation for a similar event, or he might have gone on to commit more sexual assaults. The woman has gone on to make a formal complaint because of my support and guidance.
Did I do something wrong, and does that make me a SJW?

commieBob

HotScot May 12, 2018 at 5:33 pm
… Did I do something wrong, and does that make me a SJW?

An SJW would never ask that question. 🙂 There’s a huge difference between standing up for what’s right and being a member of a lynch mob. The SJWs are morally stunted and can’t tell the difference.

Jean Paul Zodeaux

They are being hoisted by their own petard.

Mark from the Midwest

I think it has to do with “Hero Complex” issues. I suspect that most of these guys were real losers in high school, college, and elsewhere. I mean, look at McKibbles, or anyone that gets arrested for greenpeas antics, would you really want them trap-blocking for you on delayed handoff up the B gap? I think not, I think I’d rather have Pompeo or Brett Baier or the Trumpster cut-blocking that linebacker

Tom in Florida

I would add that they carry extreme doubt about their worthiness as a person, so they must then seek the approval of whatever gang of people that is most likely to fall for their pitch.

Larry D

The description you are groping towards is: they are Narcissists. Narcissists need praise, even if insincere (Narcissistic income). Progressives appear to be rife with Narcissism.

Bellman

“Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?”
Because there are a lot scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites and frauds about and some of them campaign about the environment?

M Courtney

Exactly.
What’s the control group for this? Politicians who don’t speak out a lot on Green issues? Lawyers who work on corporate law?
Or maybe just Hollywood stars who aren’t eco-warriors.
If they are all exemplars of personal morality then the article may have a point.
But it doesn’t.

thallstd

I think a significant difference between the Schneiderman, Gore, Suzuki group and the Clinton, Weinstein group is that the former are personally profiting (fame, dollars or both) while trying to change laws and lives to conform to a lifestyle they don’t live while the latter are just hypocrites or scumbags on a personal level.

MP18

Suzuki is also known to request all females entourages with his speaking fees……

kenji

I reminded the wife, after the Schneiderman revelation, that liberal chicks are easy. They’re the ones with no moral compass (no, being “green” is not “morality”) … with loose sexual proclivities. They make easy targets for “green” cult leaders. Same thing with PETA, BTW.
Which explains why ALL these Schneiderman victims kept silent about their abuse. They didn’t see his behaviour … or their participation in it … as being immoral. Just a fun romp with an “important” “leader” of so many leftist causes. A real “green” Jim Jones, or “eco” David Koresch, or … unabombing Ted Kaczynski. These gals probably felt “special” that they were servicing such a powerful “man”

paul courtney

Kenji: I think it’s worse than that, from reports I’ve read, at least a couple of the four have said they knew it was wrong but didn’t report because they thought he was doing great work as AG and they didn’t want to ruin him. They are (or were) politically active on the left, so they knew it would ruin his career. Read Mark Steyn’s take on it, you’ll enjoy it.

RAH

So they sold their soul to the devil. Are they really “victims”?

Louis

Your point was brought home to me a few years ago when I read an article written by a liberal woman. She actually claimed that if we could ask Mary Jo Kopechne today if it was all worth it, she would say, “yes” because of Ted Kennedy’s achievements for women’s rights and abortion. Mary Jo had political ambitions of her own. To assume that her life and future accomplishments were less important than Kennedy’s, and to view her as a small stepping stone toward Kennedy’s greatness, goes beyond misogyny. But, apparently, there are liberal women out there who think that women should be willing to sacrifice themselves for the “cause.”

Latitude

because it’s a s c a m……why is anyone surprised when s c a m e r s are attracted to a s c a m

kenji

My favorite expression is … “only a swindler can be swindled”. Or, if you wish, “only a scamster can be scammed”. If one has larceny in their heart … they will most likely fall victim to a scam. Which is how I define all the “true believing” eco acolytes. They are all trying to get over on the rest of us … signaling their virtue or selling their USELESS windmills and other inefficient contraptions to replace fossil fuels.

Javert Chip

Kenji
Sadly, highly untrue.
Tens of thousands of elderly are scammed (real-time PC virus removal as an example) for $ millions/billions each year. 3.4 Billion (B) robocalls were made last month offering things like free vacations.
No larceny required on behalf of the victims.

RAH

You know that a bunch of people in the political class and the press in NYC culture knew about this for a very long time. All of them kept their mouths shut. And in the meantime a bunch of them, even those guilty of similar behavior, sanctimoniously preached to us about such subjects as women’s rights, sexual harassment, the glass ceiling, etc.
And ALL OF THEM are SCUM!
And they wonder why they have lost so much credibility and influence?

Latitude

Trump KNEW about claims ex-New York State attorney general Eric Schneiderman was abusing women when he tweeted he was ‘worse than Elliot Spitzer or Anthony Weiner’ lawyer reveals
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5719043/Trump-KNEW-claims-ex-New-York-State-attorney-general-Eric-Schneiderman-abusing-women.html

RAH

Yea and then when it breaks into the news the press scum sit there with a straight face and act like they had no idea! They are nothing more than immoral highly paid liars.

Greg Cavanagh

They all knew about Jerry Sandusky as well, and said nothing. For years and years, and said nothing. The managers knew, other teachers knew. Was he too important? or is there some other psychology involved?

Joel Snider

It’s moral exhibitionism. Like the Jekyll and Hyde dynamic. The moral public face, while indulging their true natures in secret. Back when Ted Bundy first came to public knowledge – he was known to be the type that helped old ladies across the street, he worked for a crisis hotline – its protective coloring, and the very soul of hypocrisy.

Tom Anderson

“They’re a bit like sinners who in the past tried to expunge themselves of their earthly vices by engaging in particularly bracing acts of religious devotion.”
It also brings to mind more than one TV evangelist with a little honey in the background to minister to one’s earthly needs.

kenji

At least the TV Ministers have the self awareness to appear in public … weeping … and asking forgiveness for their own sins. You will get NO such confession from the green ministry.

RAH

But the solution for both is the same. Defeat them! Pound on them until you bury them. You can’t compromise with them. It is winner takes all.

RH

“Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?”
They’re politicians, what do you expect?

MarkG

Indeed. Scumbags are drawn to power like flies to steaming fresh crap.
The difference is that the media actively seek out crimes by right-wing politicians, while covering up for the left.

Ed Zuiderwijk

The keyword is ‘control’. Deep down they all are control freaks, in their relations with others, i.p. females, and in their professional capacity. It manifests itself in an urge to save humanity from itself. And, as Mencken noticed, the urge to save us is always a proxy for the need to control us.

kenji

Or as Jordan Peterson suggests in his book “12 Rules for Life, an antidote for chaos” … these “green” pedagogues need to to clean their own rooms … before lecturing others. Inotherwords … solve their own personal problems before pontificating about “societies problems”.

drednicolson

Everybody wants to save the planet… nobody wants to do the dishes.

Maurizio

And Peter Gleik too.

David Cage

Like at the ground level the preachy types are the ones who least practice good sustainable environmental habits compared even to those who totally reject man made climate change theories. To be the strongest fish in a pond you have to be the same as the other fish but more so.

Stu

Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?
I put a high degree of probability that many of the prominent environmental campaigners just haven’t be found out yet.

Greg Cavanagh

I wish to add Jagadish Shukla to the list of climate leaders who failed.

Boff Doff

“man-made global warming theory”
It’s not a theory, It’s not even a hypothesis. It is a SCAM and, it seems, it’s a SCAM invented, promoted and litigated by SCUM.
Surely Weinstein must be involved somewhere!

joelobryan

“Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?
A: If a person is willing to use their position in an abuse of power, such as Schneiderman frequently did (weaponizing prosecutorial and litigation powers for a political agenda), then that person likely feels they have license to abuse people to get what they want as well.

Gus

“>>> I think it might have to do with the well-observed phenomenon that unpleasant people are attracted to environmental causes in order to greenwash their image. <<<"
No, I don't think so.
Unpleasant people, bullies like Schneiderman, Pachauri, Suzuki, Mann, Gore, they're attracted to environmentalism because it is a yet another fascist ideology that lets them bully other people, break their bones, break shopping windows, impose torment on everybody, assert themselves over the unwashed masses, and get away with it. If Communists were in power in the US, this lot would be right there, at the top of the Communist Party.
They. Are. Thugs.
It's in their genes.

Steven C Lohr

I think there is something to the projection theory but there is more likely a sociopathic explanation. Sociopaths have an uncanny ability to “read” another person and exploit their vulnerability. The antisocial behavior is camouflaged by interactive signaling that either comforts or disarms the victim. Exploitation comes after the unguarded person, or people, have bought into the facade and then become useful, for whatever the purpose. Some are even elegant and artful in their skill at entrapping others. The targets have their own issues but I won’t get into that. It is a very interesting area of study as the boundaries between an influential person, versus a manipulative person, to outright dangerous sociopath is a little bit dodgy.

kenji

Nah, they are just all … little men … who have been bestowed unreasonable POWER, by the Socialiist elements within our democracies. They are Deep State bureaucrats who wield political power as a cover for their own shortcomings.
Schneiderman reminds me of the small, awkward, wimpy kid who was always the last kid chosen for the basketball team … who has spent his entire life “getting even” with those jocks, and all the pretty girls who ignored him in the hallways of his middle school.

John harmsworth

They all seem to have sought high status without accountability. That is a sign of people who are weak and know that they are not competent.

John harmsworth

Schneiderman probably won’t be chosen for basketball in prison either! Lol!

kenji

LOL

Killer Marmot

Moral crusades often attract highly moral people, but they also attract the opposite — psychopaths who recognize that people’s good intentions leaves them open to manipulation. Just spout a few words of alarm over some presumed ecological crisis, et voila! They are presumed to have hearts of gold. So easy.
This is also, I believe, why socialist regimes can become brutally oppressive, despite their ostensible concern for the average citizen.

How could you possibly have left out Peter Gleick? Think about it, the head of “Ethics” conducting mail fraud.

markl

I don’t care for attacking the person instead of their message but here’s my .02. These people are no more nor no less scumbags than some everyday citizens. The only reason their moral failings are coming to light is because they’re prominent in society. Why we do, or should, hold them to a different moral standard is questionable. You don’t hire a brain surgeon because he/she is beyond moral reproach do you? This whole concept of holding people morally responsible for something/anything they do in private and it’s not in their job description is a new phenomena foisted on us by the Liberal/Progressive movement. Failing to gain the respect of voters with their policies they muck rack and base their platforms on demeaning the opposition. And as the Left has recently learned it’s a slippery slope once you start down that path. Don’t think for a second I condone the personal behavior of these elected and non elected but powerful bureaucrats that’s being brought to light. I just don’t care about their moral failings and especially when the deeds happened decades ago. I care about what they will do in their position that will affect me today and in the future. Would I vote for a convicted child molester? No. Would I vote for someone that used a hooker? I may have and could care less. Unfortunately some people care because that’s the new public service paradigm that’s been promoted by the MSM and it forces all sides to take part in the sleeze.

You really don’t get the hypocrisy of the “Do as I say, not as I do” mentality of these people?

hornblower

That the former NY AG is a “dirtbag” has nothing to do with any discussion of climate change. If the only argument to be made is that people who don’t agree with you are all perverts you can never convince anyone of anything. There is enough science out there to question AGW. Stick to it.

jorgekafkazar

Would that it were so simple, hornblower.

Jean Paul Zodeaux

Schneiderman’s safety net of NY State’s Martin Act had nothing to do with climate change or science. Unlike virtually all other AG’s, Schneiderman had, because of the Martin Act, no requirement to show intent. He used this safety net to harass Exxon, and then encouraged other state AG’s to do the same despite the fact that those AG’s faced a higher bar.
There is no evidence that Scheiderman knows anything at all about the science of climate and no evidence he cares about it. The man used a dubious act of legislation to harass other people and then encouraged other AG’s to simulate his legal process to amplify this act of bullying. He didn’t rely on scientific facts to do this, he relied upon his broken moral compass to this.
Aristotle say’s that the good is that which all things aim. I think all people are basically good, but some have a far better aim than others. Schneiderman’s aim is so bad if he shot an arrow into the sky he would miss.
The fact of the matter is that state AG’s have nothing at all to do with climate change. The intrusion by those AG’s into a highly contentious policy matter merits all sorts of derision, particularly when those runners stumble.

ResourceGuy

What NYT, PBS, NRDC, Sierra Club, UC Berkeley slot is he aiming for now with a signing bonus?

Marty

Another related question is why are environmentalists (and liberals in general) so easy to deceive?

ResourceGuy

It’s probably not one size fits all but short attention span and virtue signaling works for a lot of them.

Javert Chip

I’ll give it a shot:
Environmentalists start out with a flawed (well, ok, corrupt) premise: even though they seldom have the scientific training to comprehend, they accept/believe/stumble-onto the premise that the world is ending (acid rain, ozone hole, CAGW, rain-forest depletion) and they are among the chosen few who see the danger and “know” the solution.
If that piece of arrogant stupidity is your opening gambit, it’s pretty easy to go down hill from there.

Jean Paul Zodeaux

When people want to be deceived, regardless of their political bent or activist leanings or lack thereof, they’ll do whatever is necessary to be deceived.

ResourceGuy

He should at least get the John C. Beale Public Service Medal.

Jim Sweet

Spoilage attracts pests.
Frauds attract frauds.
Not hard to understand really.

Greg Cavanagh

Money attracts the unscrupulous.
Power attracts the biggest of the thieves and liars.
Yea, not hard to see it. That’s why we don’t trust or believe the UN.

Political Junkie
John harmsworth

Her is a failed geneticist.

Nash

Do as I say, not as I do. Some animals are more equal to others. Summary …. Green on the outside, red on the inside

John harmsworth

Any reasonable assessment of the tactics and motivations of these low-lifes would clearly indicate that boundless ambition and aversion to morals are a prerequisite for a career as an evangelist of the Eco-Socialist religion of Global Warming.
They are the movement’s equivalent of pedophile priests!. The louder they preach the more they are trying to distract from their own behaviour.

Edwin

It is all about relativistic morals taught colleges today especially in many if not most law schools today. The USA graduates around 40,000 law students each year. If they don’t practice law they often go into government as high level bureaucrats or politicians. They pervade all aspects of our lives. They are fundamentally taught winning and winning by any means is what it is all about. And if you are not caught, indicted, and convicted then you have done nothing wrong, e.g., Hillary. Morals to them are for sissies or just do not exist at all. If they are not raised with morals it makes it even worse, basically we have then created high paid sociopaths. Of course it all comes down to morals. The attack on the Judeo-Christian foundations of the USA and many western democracies has been quite successful and in doing so morals have been tossed into the bin. If you are not raised with a clear moral compass it becomes easy to lie, molest women, steal, cheat, etc, etc. It becomes even easier if you then pay for a expensive college and then law school where they really twist morality.

EdA the New Yorker

This could get interesting.
Many state democrats were pushing for Zephyr Teachout to replace schneiderman, assuming that any cuomo appointee would be thoroughly corrupt. Zephyr ran against cuomo in the gubinatorial primary in the last election cycle, primarily on the corruption issue. She is still being encouraged to run for the full AG term this Fall.
She is the daughter of Hon. Mary Miles Teachout, a state judge in Vermont. Yes, that state judge who ordered the Vermont AG to turn over his communications with schneiderman, regarding EXXONKNEW, without compliance with her ruling.
Zephyr might just comply in a fire-hose of documents from the NY side. She is to the left of cuomo, but appears very honest. Imagine the possibilities.

“Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?”
Easy to understand:
The self-styled “Progressives”, the US Democrats, the Canadian Liberals and NDP, the Socialist and Green Parties worldwide are pawns of the extreme left and have been so since the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Here is some history:
“Surprisingly enough the second event that caused the environmental movement to veer to the left was the fall of the Berlin Wall. Suddenly the international peace movement had a lot less to do. Pro-Soviet groups in the West were discredited. Many of their members moved into the environmental movement bringing with them their eco-Marxism and pro-Sandinista sentiments.”
Source: “The Rise of Eco-Extremism”, by Dr. Patrick Moore, a co-founder of Greenpeace (1994).
http://ecosense.me/2012/12/30/key-environmental-issues-4/
Many of these imbeciles don’t even know it, but they are following a covert Marxist agenda intended to damage our economies, cloaked in phony green rhetoric.
Marxism made simple:
The Groucho Marxists are the leaders – they want power for its own sake at any cost, and typically are sociopaths or psychopaths. The great killers of recent history, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot. etc. were of this odious ilk – first they get power, then they implement their crazy schemes that do not work and too often kill everyone who opposes them.
The Harpo Marxists are the followers – the “sheeple” – these are people of less-than-average intelligence who are easily duped and follow the Groucho’s until it is too late, their rights are lost and their society destroyed. They are attracted to simplistic concepts that “feel good” but rarely “do good”.
George Carlin said: “You know how stupid the average person is, right? Well, half of them are stupider than that!”
One can easily identify many members of these two groups in the global warming debate – and none of them are ”climate skeptics”.
Need more evidence? Read the quotations at http://www.green-agenda.com
Just a few examples:
“The goal now is a socialist, redistributionist society,
which is nature’s proper steward and society’s only hope.”
– David Brower,
founder of Friends of the Earth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“If we don’t overthrow capitalism, we don’t have a chance of
saving the world ecologically. I think it is possible to have
an ecologically sound society under socialism.
I don’t think it is possible under capitalism”
– Judi Bari,
principal organiser of Earth First!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the
industrialized civilizations collapse?
Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
– Maurice Strong,
founder of the UN Environment Programme
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the
United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of
ecology and the world resource situation.”
– Paul Ehrlich,
Professor of Population Studies
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

J Mac

Q: “Why is it that so many prominent environmental campaigners turn out to be such scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites or frauds?”
A: Because scumbags, sleazebags, hypocrites and frauds recognize a really good scam when they see one.
Posing as an ‘environmentalist trying to save the world from man made global warming’ is just about the best scam ever invented! As the Dire Straits song foretold:
“That ain’t working – That’s the way ya do it! Money for nothing and the chicks for free!”

afonzarelli

(i want my mtv)…

mikebartnz

All the ones mentioned here are horrible narcissist.

Cam_S

Gore is in the news, right now! A Canadian pipeline will cause global warming doom!
——————————–
Al Gore joins fight to block ‘destructive’ Kinder Morgan oil pipeline
Gore says pipeline expansion in Canada ‘would be a step backward in our efforts to solve the climate crisis’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/11/al-gore-canada-kinder-morgan-oil-pipeline

Bear

Well said. And that ties in with the greens because it is a movement that has a following that is moralistic. I’m right and your wrong and being wrong makes you evil. These people (and not just lawyers but people who are hungry for power), being the sociopaths that they are, gravitate towards these kinds of movements. It happens both on what people call the right and the left. In the 20’s and 30’s you had the brownshirts of Germany, and blackshirts of Italy as well as the Communists (really socialist and communists) for example. They seek movements that they can get in front of and claim leadership. Once there, they can point to the people that disagree with them or may contest that leadership and declare them enemies inducing their followers to attack them. Now it’s the environmental movement but it could have been anything with the right characteristics.

Bear

This was a reply to Edwin

MarkW

Fascism is a form of socialism.

Not it is not. Under fascism, the means of production remain owned by private individuals, not by the government.

Tom Halla

i think you are confusing communism with socialism as far as the ownership of the means of production. Labeling fascism as right wing is a Stalinist libel.

Javert Chip

But the industrial performance is dictated (in large part) by the state.
I’m in agreement fascism is a form of socialism (apparently the Na2is thought so, too, their name was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party). Academics (especially socialist academics) bend themselves into spectacular shapes to avoid this fact..

Bear

Mark and Javert are right. Socialism comes in various forms. Here is part of the Wiki article on Nazi Germany:

In 1937 Hermann Göring targeted companies producing iron ore, “taking control of all privately owned steelworks and setting up a new company, known as the Hermann Göring Works.”[48] By 1943, up to 500 companies were owned by the German state.[49] Those industries that somehow remained in private hands often received favoritism, subsidies and various state assistance. Nonetheless, Hitler was “an enemy of free-market economics”[50] whose regime was committed to an economic “New Order” controlled by the “Party through a bureaucratic apparatus staffed by technical experts and dominated by political interests,” similar to the economic planning of the Soviet Union.

Walks like a duck etc.

MarkG

“Under fascism, the means of production remain owned by private individuals, not by the government.”
And the state tells them what to do. And expects them to keep producing even if that means they’ll have to sell below cost price and go bankrupt.
Calling fascists ‘right-wing’ is just another of the left’s Big Lies. And, like the rest, it needed a compliant media to prop it up.

RAH

“C. Paul Pierett May 11, 2018 at 1:50 pm
Not it is not. Under fascism, the means of production remain owned by private individuals, not by the government.”
A distinction without a difference. If the private owner(s) of a company do not comply with the wishes of a totalitarian government they will be removed or eliminated and replaced with someone that will.

Jtom

C. Paul – ownership that carries no rights, as found under fascism, does not fit the basic legal definition of ownership. Definition of ownership: the state, relation, or fact of being an owner; also : the rights or interests of an owner
If you have no rights, you own nothing.

MarkW

They are owned by individuals, but controlled by the state.
Ownership is meaningless without control.

drednicolson

Under fascist socialism, business leaders get to pretend that they own their companies.

Why? That’s easy. It’s because the people who are in the best position to notice their scumbag behavior at an early age and to recommend and participate in corrective steps are (as a group) as morally, intellectually, and politically corrupt as the scumbags: public school teachers and professors.

John Bills

They can’t rest until the EPA goes back to the regulatory philosophy
https://spectator.org/the-unscrupulous-critics-of-scott-pruitt/

Power Grab

One more thing I’ve noticed when considering the riffraff that promulgate the AGW myth is that they aren’t builders.
Remember the old saying, “Those who can’t do, teach.” (There’s more to it, I know, but I’ll stop there.)
Here is another saying that comes to my mind: “They never built a statue to a critic.”
Well, these folks are the farthest thing from builders: they’re destroyers. They’re detractors. They’re like the dog chasing the car. What is it supposed to do with the car when it catches it? Who really benefits?
I reckon it’s the only dependable way they can get attention. They can’t get respect/attention from building something so efficient that civilized society bases its foundation on it.
Of course, the MSM are also a big part of the problem. They’re all about “make-believe”. Since AGW is a made up myth, they’re all over it. It’s their darling cause.
Remember that Academy Award they gave for Al Gore’s movie? They give out that award to folks who do a bang-up job of pretending and making the audience believe their lies.

Amber

As long as government underwrites their criminal activity they will push
the phoney global warming scam for as long as they can .
Scary global warming exists in lock step with the money extracted .
The global warming industry exists because of an inconvenient alignment of interests
all designed to steal from tax payers but like all con jobs they eventually run their course
and the con men move on .
Look at the ring leaders of this massive fraud . All of them are demonstrable shit bags .

markx

There is nothing worse than a ‘righteous’ man.
Embarked on a noble cause, he becomes an absolute a-hole.

Let’s consider the employment drivers:
One side follows, collects, analyses and interprets weather information, honestly.
If that is their employment, they hope that their analysis skills are not embarrassed by weather doing something slightly different than expected.
If they are extroverts, they may apply for broadcast weather and may even achieve weatherperson star status.
This is their life, every day, several times every day.
True excitement arrives with severe weather.
The other side, the side that is pro “blame man whut done it”:
Rarely analyses old data. Instead finds reasons to “correct” the data; which is known as data abuse in every other industry.
Believes the world should revere them.
Loves international travel, meetings and conventions.
Loathes honest science.
Despises honest scientists.
Vigorously approves irreproducible science, bad secret programming, and biased instruments.
Vigorously demeans opponents without addressing science
Vigorously excoriates and often defames anyone who realizes their error(s) and changes sides; again never addressing the science.
Oddly these folks claim mild emotions, humility, shyness, unwillingness to take public positions, nobel cause morality, righteousness, etc. In other words, these people entertain outrageous opinions of themselves.
Even while these characters make public pronouncements and support claims to censure opposing science and scientists, jail opponents and skeptics.
Then there are the climate fund trough feeders; whether politicians desiring money, glory and voters,
or advocates and disciples seeking wealth and religion.
Seriously, just what do you expect of politicians and groupies that want to follow CAGW activists for wealth and glory?
It may turn out that Schneiderman and pals are the least fetid, repulsive, abhorrent, repugnant and malodorous villains in their group of malefactors?
Do you want to know what’s in manniacal’s personal closet?

“unpleasant people are attracted to environmental causes in order to greenwash their image”
Liberals are sponges … Menger sponges — holier than thou.