Dr. Katharine Hayhoe tries to scare Canadians with threats of warmer temperatures

Mass Public Indoctrination Program on Climate Change Introduced in ‘Alberta Narratives’ During Calgary Climate Symposium

By Michelle Stirling and Trevor Marr

CALGARY, Alberta, Canada

As the IPCC Cities Conference progressed in Alberta’s capitol city of Edmonton, March 5-8, 2018, Canada’s energy center was not going to be left out.  The Calgary Climate Change Symposium featured “Climate George” – George Marshall, activist and author of the UK, and Dr. Katharine Hayhoe of the Political Sciences department at Texas Tech University.

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“Climate George” demonstrates a sleight of hand – why talk facts and evidence on climate change when moving personal stories about how your house flooded are so effective?

Marshall introduced the idea that it was too difficult to talk about climate change because it was such a polarizing issue, suggesting that conversations would immediately turn to talk about the spinach tart at dinner rather than the climate ‘crisis.’  The conversation would be especially difficult in Alberta where so many jobs rely on oil, gas and coal, he intimated.

Marshall noted that his background is in the social sciences and that facts and evidence just turn people off – so the way to go is to have people tell personal stories of how climate change has affected their lives.

There was some interactive play in the audience, where audience members were asked to turn to total strangers near them and explain to each other how climate change affected them and what were their worst fears.  The 2013 catastrophic flood of Calgary’s downtown core was suggested as a topic – and there was a certain romantic attachment expressed about how Calgarians were SO kind and compassionate to each other in that time of distress and devastation.

Indeed, the 2013 flood in Calgary was NOT a climate change event, but a weather event.  Flooding in Calgary is common, and as Roger Pielke, Jr. pointed out in his 2005 paper “Misdefining ‘‘climate change’’: consequences for science and action” – there is no ‘danger’ from flooding if people don’t build on a flood plain, as has been done in Calgary.

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Dr. Katharine Hayhoe likes to ask audiences how many have experienced ‘global weirding’? Hands up!

Dr. Hayhoe then charmed the audience with her folksy presentation telling us how her mother’s tulips were coming up in March instead of April and how this had never happened in all the time she was growing up in Ontario.  This would normally be termed an anecdotal commentary, not scientific evidence, but this is the path the “Alberta Narrative” has taken.

Earlier in the day, Dr. Hayhoe had mocked Friends of Science Society in a most un-Christian-like way, though she admitted she liked our billboards.

https://youtu.be/GmaqQ-8X3CQ

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Friends of Science Society billboard across from the Edmonton, Alberta Shaw Conference centre, site of IPCC Cities Conference.

Dr. Hayhoe presented graphs and maps showing Albertans that there were averages of weather stations and there were trends that showed warming.  These were largely indecipherable to the audience but just throw a little red on there – even the one representing more snow – and people will be sufficiently alarmed.

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A terrifying shade of red seems to envelope Alberta – which is often -40C/F for days in winter and which saw extremely high temperatures in the Great Depression…but of course that was then and this is now. And downscale modelled!

Likewise, Dr. Hayhoe said Alberta’s winters were good because they kept nasty bugs, insects and poisonous snakes away from Alberta.  Likewise, noxious weeds like kudzu, which she said cannot take root in any region with extremely low winter temperatures but has been found in Ontario.  http://www.inspection.gc.ca/plants/plant-pests-invasive-species/invasive-plants/fact-sheets/kudzu/eng/1331750489827/1331750551292 This was apparently meant to show that Ontario is warmer than ever.  (Note – in fact there are poisonous snakes in Alberta in the Medicine Hat region.  Odd that almost all ‘snowbirds’ – aka: Canadian winter vacation escapees – love to go to places that have many poisonous snakes.  That does not seem to be a deterrent for sun-seekers. But back to science.)

Dr. Hayhoe also showed how her ‘downscale’ modelling could help cities forecast the need for larger pipes for infrastructure in the event of future flooding – but not too large.  That would cost too much.

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Earlier in Dr. Hayhoe’s presentations she notes that the climate has been stable until now.

Following these power point displays of graphs, maps and a rear view mirror, telling us we could not look back while society drove forward because we would drive off the curve on the climate change highway, Marshall and Hayhoe said there would be a province-wide campaign just like this one, to go to dozens of communities and get hundreds of people telling their ‘Alberta Narrative” about how climate change has affected them.

http://www.aenweb.ca/delegates/alberta-narrative-project

Power Point:

http://www.aenweb.ca/files/ab_narratives_project_overview_invitation_deadline_feb_14.pdf

Both seemed to express some sadness that the oil, gas and coal workers in Alberta should ‘be treated respectfully’ as they are about to be replaced by wind and solar generation – which was really the thrust of the Marshall-Hayhoe event.

Marshall had shown a map of Canada made by Yale Climate Connection, indicating that Albertans were less inclined to ‘believe’ in climate change – and several graphs that indicated this was due to either being conservatives or Christian.  Dr. Hayhoe later discussed how she often spoke to faith groups.

Neither seemed to know that most of Alberta’s resistance to the idiotic Alberta Climate Plan is that there are over 70,000 Professional Engineers and Geosciences who are part of Alberta’s professional sector.  Most of these science professionals are well aware of the climate modelling fiascos, the iffy data, and the torrid claims about climate change that are nothing compared to earth’s own ‘active planet.’

In other words, Albertans judge climate catastrophe claims on the evidence, facts and data, not on the anecdotal stories of foreigners who are trying to boondoggle Albertans out of billions of dollars for ineffective wind and solar.

In closing, Mayor Nenshi spoke, thanking the Rockefeller Foundation for the “Cities” person who is now part of City Hall staff and saying that there was a prepared speech which he was required to read. This seemed a bit odd as the Mayor is a very capable public speaker.

One wonders who paid for it all – including the catered reception – and just how shafted will Albertans be as this climateering train wreck runs its course.  The present tab on coal phase-out and the early implementation of more wind and solar is already about $30 billion in costs.

Now THERE’S an Alberta Narrative.

One P. Engineer who attended had this to say:

I attended the Calgary Climate Symposium last night at Telus Spark with keynote speakers George Marshall from UK and Katherine Hayhoe now from the USA. There was plenty of hype, drama, fearmongering, telling us to Prepare for the Changes, calls for ‘conversation’ and it was more of a UN propaganda, fabricated goose-stepped indoctrination into an Orwellian 1984 manipulation (or should I say People-ipulation?).

In the parking lot after the thought control session I asked the respectful, pleasant Ms. Hayhoe the definition of the Climate Change? And her definition included Natural causes, but she looked me in the eye and said we should now be heading into an Ice Age, but we are not, because of Fossil Fuels killing our climate with CO2! I said that is a Good Thing, as we were shivering in a frozen (-20C) and 3′ deep, snowy parking lot as she was telling me we were perilously warming the Planet!

I was trying not to laugh! Actually, I was too cold to laugh! I reminded her of the fact that we used to be covered in 2km of Ice and Snow during the Ice Age and I asked her ‘What Caused THAT? Caveman SUV’s?’ And she said that today is different!?! She asked me to look at her web site for more convincing info to support her concern for “PeopleKind,” I will look at it ASAP!

UPDATE: This slide from her presentation pretty much says it all. Reality vs. predictions – reality wins.

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PaulH
March 13, 2018 11:36 am

I guess the concept of “know your room” wasn’t explained to the CAGW speakers. 😉

Latitude
Reply to  PaulH
March 13, 2018 12:26 pm

…or the concept of telling Canadians they will get one less month of winter

J Mac
Reply to  Latitude
March 13, 2018 4:08 pm

Alberta is ‘For’ global warming!

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  PaulH
March 14, 2018 3:43 pm

What is Hayhoe’s doctorate in? Shrinkology?

Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 11:41 am

I think there should be a law or something that prohibits the use of the word “science” in connection to the words social and political. ….. Ideologies and sci nice just don’t mix, and result in propaganda that is always false and deceiving.

Dr Deanster
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 11:42 am

Science …. sci nice …. man I hate autocorrect.

Bryan A
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 1:25 pm

Though it is fitting as they want us to believe there Sci is Nice

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 6:15 pm

UNDP -09 May 2017
‘Better understanding of human behaviour can help the global goal’
Webpage has links and the report can be downloaded
The public should be aware of what’s taking place at the UN.
Using behavioral science to accomplish UN goals.
http://www.undp.org/content/undp/en/home/blog/2017/5/9/Better-understanding-of-human-behaviour-can-help-achieve-the-global-development-agenda.html

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 14, 2018 9:36 am

UN Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform
UNEP, 2017
‘Consuming Differently, Consuming Sustainably: Behavioural Insights for Policymaking, 50 + pages
This is global in scope.
Check out Government of Canada under Behavioural Insights for webpages on this topic.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?page=view&type=400&nr=2404

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 14, 2018 12:42 pm

UNFCCC, c. 2006
‘Canada’s Report on Demonstrable Progress Under The Kyoto Protocol’, 16 pages
Has information thru 2005 including:
IPCC role
And other information such as to how the Kyoto Protocol was set up in Canada.
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/dpr/can1e.pdf

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 14, 2018 1:04 pm

Parliament Of Canada
Library of Parliament
Current Publications:
‘Climate Change Negotiations: The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change in Context’, 2014
A brief history begins in 1988 and includes references.
https://lop.parl.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2014-03-e.htm

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 14, 2018 2:52 pm

United Nations Climate Change
Search: enter Canada > yields 10 pages of documents
https://unfccc.int/2860.php
Select any document.

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 14, 2018 5:00 pm

OECD
Regulatory Policy
Re:
Behhavioural Insights / “Nudge”
Webpage has many links to more information on this topic.
http://www.oecd.org/gov/regulatory-policy/behavioural-insights.htm

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 15, 2018 12:19 pm

Gov. UK
Behavioural Insights Team
Also known as the: Nudge Unit
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/behavioural-insights-team
And,
The Behavioural Insights Team North America
Re: history, information and links
http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/behavioral-insights-team-north-america

Barbara
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 16, 2018 1:29 pm

EU Science Hub / European Commission
‘Behavioural Insights Applied to Policy European Report 016’, ~145 pages
Includes 32 European countries. Select any country.
Can download at:
https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/en/publication/eur-scientific-and-technical-research-reports/behavioural-insights-applied-policy-european-report-2016

ferdberple
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 12:21 pm

there should be a law
============
there is a law already.
Democratic Republic – not a democracy
Climate Science – not a science
Math, physics, chemistry – nowhere is “science” part of the name of any real science.
If you need to add “science” to the name of your field of study, you can sure what you are studying is not science. It is at best pseudo science.
What is the difference? A * B = B * A. Science tells us this is true because there is no exception. It matters not how many times this is true, if there is a single exception it is false. Scientific proof exists that not a single exception is possible.
More CO2 = more warming. This is pseudo science because while there are many examples where it is true, there are also many examples where it is false. Pseudo science holds this to be true based on finding more true examples than false examples, as though science was open to a vote.
However, if you look long enough you can find infinite examples that are true and infinite examples that are false. And we know from mathematics that 100 times infinity = infinity. Therefore it is irrelevant how many positive or negative examples you find. All it takes is 1 exception to prove the rule false.
for example, the ice age records show that temperatures start to rise when CO2 is low and start to fall when CO2 is high. this shows that More CO2 = less warming, directly contradicting the GHG theory of global warming.
Here is a graph from SS (of all people!) showing that it is low CO2 that causes temp to rise and high CO2 that causes them to fall. Take a look. When CO2 levels are low temps rapidly shoot up. When CO2 levels are high, temps slowly fall. Exactly opposite to prediction.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/TempsandCO2800KYears.png

Reply to  ferdberple
March 13, 2018 1:36 pm

Ah, but if A & B are matrices A*B ≠ B*A … let’s make sure we define our terms clearly, then we will know what algebra to use.

Samuel C Cogar
Reply to  ferdberple
March 14, 2018 4:29 am

ferdberple – March 13, 2018 at 12:21 pm

Here is a graph from SS (of all people!) showing that it is low CO2 that causes temp to rise and high CO2 that causes them to fall. Take a look. When CO2 levels are low temps rapidly shoot up. When CO2 levels are high, temps slowly fall. Exactly opposite to prediction.

Ferdberple …… now the above was fer shur a “cutie”, ….. I shur luved it.
A few readers might complain because you didn’t denote that paragraph as “satire”, but that’s OK iffen they do.
Cheers

Trevor Marr
Reply to  ferdberple
March 14, 2018 5:43 am

Yes true, correlation is not causation and science is not defined by consensus! Climate Science is pinning everything on one thing, CO2, but this is a planet circling a Sun and blaming a trace gas that varies by a possible 1 part per million, per year, annually as the single thing controlling the earth’s temperature is deception, for taxation and control..

ferdberple
Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 12:32 pm

Science vs Pseudo Science
Let: T = True, F = false
Truth tables:
Science
T AND T = T
T AND F = F (one exception makes it false)
T AND T AND F = F (one exception makes it false)
Pseudo Science
T AND T = T
T AND F = NULL (unknown, more study required. F has same weight as T)
T AND T AND F = T (more T than F makes it true)
If your field of study uses positive examples to outweigh negative examples, it is not science. In science the negative examples are definitive. In Pseudo Science negative examples hold the same weight as positive examples.

ferdberple
Reply to  ferdberple
March 13, 2018 12:42 pm

It always amazes me how poor a job our school system does of teaching logic. The Greeks thousands of years ago gave us:
T AND T AND F = F
Yet a surprisingly large number of people will agree with:
T AND T AND F = T
Based on the notion that since there is more T than F, it is more likely T.
Try it on your friends and see if they get it right. It could be that this logic problem is at the heart of the Climate Change confusion. Quite simply:
science education = F

Curious George
Reply to  ferdberple
March 14, 2018 9:29 am

Strangely enough, mathematics is not a science.

Reply to  Dr Deanster
March 13, 2018 1:16 pm

“Sci nice” has some potential as a new phrase, I think. It could mean something like “talking nicely about what the popular view is”. Consensus science is “sci nice” or “nice science”, as opposed to skeptical views, which are “not so sci nice”. In other words, when you are NOT paying homage to the consensus, you are NOT being nice. When you ARE paying homage to the consensus, you are being nice, hence, “sci nice”.
Used in sentences: His view is not very sci nice. What a sci nice thing to say.

ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 11:43 am

Okay, enough with the heart strings today. I do feel sorry for Albertans for being subjected to this nonscience nonsense, especially from Texas. How about showing billboards of Venezuelans fleeing to Columbia since this is the feelings conference.

michael hart
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Yes. Someone living in Texas goes to Alberta to warn Canadians about getting too hot? It beggars belief.

Bryan A
Reply to  michael hart
March 13, 2018 1:31 pm

Ayup…Canada where the summer months are on June 26

gnomish
Reply to  michael hart
March 13, 2018 3:37 pm

it gets better- the son of fidel castro will pay china to save canada from global warming.

Greg Woods
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 1:23 pm

nitpik: Colombia, or maybe they are fleeing to Columbia, North Carolina?

Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 11:50 am

Tulips coming up in March instead of April! Oh, the horrible devastation! We need more taxes on oil! (sarc.)

zazove
Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 12:00 pm

That canary isn’t dead, its just resting.

sabretruthtiger
Reply to  zazove
March 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Yes the CO2 and methane concentration is too low to affect the canary. So the vital coal will keep flowing 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  zazove
March 13, 2018 1:33 pm

The canary is enjoying an early spring.

Reply to  zazove
March 13, 2018 5:01 pm

Maybe the canary died of a coronary event.
Maybe it died of old age.
Maybe it never was a canary, maybe it was just paste and feathers.
Maybe it is sleeping.
Maybe it is just resting.
Maybe the guy that wanted to take a break from working stuck a needle through its neck.
Maybe the guy that sells the canaries poisoned it so he could sell more canaries.
Maybe there is a better indicator to use now … we stopped using canaries a long time ago.
Maybe you should read the ferdberple 12:32 PM comments; then read ’em again; then read ’em again.

Fraizer
Reply to  zazove
March 13, 2018 5:19 pm

OK, I know its been done before, but I just gotta:

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 12:07 pm

Does that mean the ice-bound U.S. Navy ship gets to leave Canada now?

rocketscientist
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 1:32 pm

It can leave as soon as Katherine gets to blowing more hot air at the ice.

Lance
Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 12:10 pm

I live just south of Calgary and avid gardener….I record dates they push through the soil and flowering dates….no trend!! varies from year to year!! I also happen to record temps/precip for Environment Canada for 29 years and yes….slight warming trend….but it is caused by the likes of Dr. K. Hayhoe….now prove me wrong!

Reply to  Lance
March 13, 2018 4:45 pm

Excellent statement, and records, Lance! +100

Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 12:53 pm

I can guarantee you there won’t be any tulips in Alberta this March. We have just finally returned to average temperatures (Friday the 9th), and we still have substantial snow cover.
There are too many Canadian’s who are easily convinced that warming is going to be bad for us. It boggles my mind.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
March 13, 2018 1:43 pm

I was a bity confused by her comment as well. It doesn’t get cold enough in Texas to grow tulips without artificially cooling the ground. If her mother still lives in Texas, then the tulips won’t sprout until you chill the flower beds, by dumping ice on them and allowing it to melt away. You have to “trick” the tulips if you don’t live in the proper climate. I suspect her mother was simply icing down her tulip beds a bit earlier in the year.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
March 13, 2018 2:59 pm

Never mind it seems her mother lives in Toronto.

Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
March 13, 2018 8:09 pm

Uh, rocketscientist, to which part of Texas are you referring? Having spent more than a decade in Fort Worth, I can attest that we had 1 -2 ice storms per year. Don’t know if the ground got cold enough to grow the tulips. But it sure does get cold for an extended time in the Panhandle. Texas is a big place, with many climate zones.

Sewer Rat
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
March 14, 2018 4:15 am

I’m hoping to see my grass by mid August.

Trevor Marr
Reply to  Jeff in Calgary
March 14, 2018 5:51 am

Is the snow and are the cold Temperatures a sign from the Climate Gods that we actually paid too much Climate Tax? Will we get a refund from our Canadian Governments?

Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 1:19 pm

What does an alarmist call CO2 greening ? — A weed problem.

MarkW
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
March 13, 2018 1:35 pm

I wish you were joking, but I’ve had a warmunist tell me that weeds were going to benefit from more CO2 way more than any plant we care about.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
March 13, 2018 2:13 pm

“Drain the Swamp” and there will be less green for the weeds.

rocketscientist
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
March 13, 2018 3:03 pm

For a moment I had misread CO2 as the abbreviation for Colorado and that completely changed the connotation.

Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 13, 2018 4:10 pm

I live in southern Ontario and I can’t assure you that it (tulips) ain’t happening this March.

Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 14, 2018 5:47 am

Had that happen once years ago in Manitoba. The tulips got their “buds” frozen off in early May.

Mick
Reply to  Terry Gednalske
March 14, 2018 9:29 am

March 14th in my south BC neighbourhood, 20 minutes from the US border and no Tulips yet in my yard. Finally took the wrapping off my palm, but I have a feeling that I may be a few weeks early. Looks like we will get below average toward the end of March according to weatherbell.

icisil
March 13, 2018 11:59 am

Hayhoe succeeds at being an embarrassment to both science and christianity.

icisil
Reply to  icisil
March 13, 2018 12:01 pm

and Texas…

commieBob
Reply to  icisil
March 13, 2018 12:21 pm

… and Canada. She was born and raised there. link

Tom Halla
Reply to  icisil
March 13, 2018 12:36 pm

The political science department is the appropriate place for Dr Hayhoe, as this is definitely political science.:-)

hunter
Reply to  icisil
March 13, 2018 2:09 pm

Kayhoe is perilously close to being an example of Simony, and is preaching a false, shallow and deceptive gospel. to boot.

icisil
Reply to  hunter
March 13, 2018 4:08 pm

Wholly gnostic, Batman! She’s married to Andrew Farley! He’s one of the neo-gnostic hypergrace teachers.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  icisil
March 14, 2018 2:23 pm

Well she does a pretty good act as church lady from SNL just with a different climate religious theme.

Mike Bromley
March 13, 2018 12:03 pm

Hayhoe, ho hum.

Reply to  Mike Bromley
March 14, 2018 6:00 am

Did anyone ask her how the permanent drought was doing in Texas?

JimG1
March 13, 2018 12:06 pm

The photo captures a perfect look of condescension if I ever saw one.

Bruce Cobb
March 13, 2018 12:09 pm

It’s hilarious that folks like Hayhoe think not only that we “should be heading into an ice age”, but apparently also thinks that would be a good thing. She’s so hopelessly clueless about climate that she doesn’t even seem to realize that we are actually in an ice age which began 2.6 mya, and happen, fortunately to be in an interglacial period, the Holocene. Further extending her lack of knowledge is the fact that the current interglacial period could itself last another thousand years or more, regardless of what man does. The stupid, it burns.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 13, 2018 12:47 pm

There is considerable proxy evidence that hints that we have been descending into a new glaciation for the last couple of thousand years. Fortunately. it takes many thousand years to build glacial ice to the extent of a major glaciation. It does not take a lot of cooling. Once started lower temperatures will follow the ice buildup.

The Deplorable Vlad the Impaler
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 13, 2018 12:51 pm

Without being flippant, I was under the impression that she only believes in a 6,000 or 7,000-years-old Earth, so a ‘starting point’ of a glacial episode about 2.6 ma is outside of her ability to comprehend.
Did I miss something? (and this is NOT a /sarc; I thought she was a young-Earth creationist)

Bryan A
Reply to  The Deplorable Vlad the Impaler
March 13, 2018 1:33 pm

A good point Deplorable Vlad
Though I must ask…Why so Flippant??

MarkW
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 13, 2018 1:36 pm

To a modern “environmentalist” anything that nature does is good.
Anything that man does that interferes with nature is evil.
To them, if the world were heading into an ice age, they would fight tooth and nail against any proposal to slow or stop this.

Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2018 4:47 pm

On target, as usual, MarkW!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkW
March 14, 2018 5:39 am

“To them, if the world were heading into an ice age, they would fight tooth and nail against any proposal to slow or stop this.”
Totally. Somehow a slow sea level rise can’t be adapted for, but crushing a good portion of the town and cities in the northern hemisphere is A-OK.

March 13, 2018 12:12 pm

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rocketscientist
Reply to  Max Photon
March 13, 2018 3:11 pm

Can you photo-shop a cowboy hat on to it?

ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 12:16 pm

Meanwhile other climate scare experts are saying the opposite for the region…..
No tulips here
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180313130629.htm
I guess it’s a matter of pick your poison.

commieBob
March 13, 2018 12:17 pm

Parts of Alberta were hard hit during the dirty thirties. That’s living memory for my (approaching 100 year old) mother. Stories about tulips coming up a month early don’t impress her. She’s seen weirder weather.
I note that Rex Tillerson has been fired. Do we think that’s a good thing?

TA
Reply to  commieBob
March 13, 2018 1:03 pm

Firing Tillerson was a good thing. The president and the Secretary of State need to be on the same page, and apparently Tillerson wasn’t on the same page as Trump.

Greg Woods
Reply to  TA
March 13, 2018 1:27 pm

Pompeo is not a good thing, or even a good person…

Mick
Reply to  TA
March 14, 2018 9:57 am

He doesn’t buy into the climate hoax, so that’s a good thing. Tillerson does

Allan Caldwell
March 13, 2018 12:18 pm

In Edmonton Hayhoe said that she was shocked to find out her new husband didn’t belong eve in global warming…..I wonder if she was equally shocked to find out that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy aren’t real either…..
[“belong eve” = “believe” ? .mod]

ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 12:20 pm

Gee, I wonder how many thousands of publications had been published on the ether theory of physics before Einstein and others did away with it.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 13, 2018 12:58 pm

That’s a good one. I may use it. I always point to the thousands of books written about astrology, or marxism for that matter. Doesn’t prove one jot about it being true or not. But it tells volumes about the people who take them serious.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
March 13, 2018 1:07 pm

A full review if that history may exist or needs to be compiled by a top notch historian. I believe that case included academic enforcers who ended careers of young scientists and included a climax of absurdity to defend it right up to the brink of its collapse…..followed by total silence.

March 13, 2018 12:24 pm

So by Connecticut’s Democratic Governor Malloy, Dr. Cahterine Hayhoe and the IPCC are acting like terrorists.
Quoting Governor Malloy, “I said that the NRA acts like a terrorist organization. Webster’s defines a terrorist organization as one that uses fear to effect its goals. What organization in America has used fear better than the NRA?”
(source: npr.org)
I can answer that question.
The UN IPCC and the authors of the upcoming National Climate assessment are acting like terrorists. They clearly use fear, at every opportunity, of future climate warming, claiming widespread death, flodding, famines and wars as a reslt of a minor atmospheric trace gas increase.
Conclusion: by Democrat’s own standards, Catherine Hayhoe acts like a terrorist when she makes dubious climate claims and invokes fear in her audiences to try and convince them we need socialism and one-world governance. Furthermore, Al Gore’s climate PAC, the IPCC and UNFCCC then also need US State Department designations as terrorist organizations.

MarkW
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 13, 2018 1:39 pm

Let’s see, the gun grabbers tell people that if we don’t outlaw guns, a crazed lunatic is going to break into your home and kill your family.
The NRA points out that if a crazed lunatic does break into your home, you can use your gun to stop him before he hurts anybody.
Who exactly is it that is using terror to advance their agenda?

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 13, 2018 4:49 pm

Aye!

Trevor Marr
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
March 14, 2018 6:03 am

Agreed! AGW = Al Gore’s Wrong!

Cardin Drake
March 13, 2018 12:30 pm

Good Lord, Canadians. If you don’t act now, your winter’s could be as warm as Minnesota’s or North Dakota’s. Scary thought, why, again?

Reply to  Cardin Drake
March 13, 2018 12:50 pm

Darn, let me apologize for warming North Dakota. eh

Joey
March 13, 2018 12:31 pm

Regarding the 2005 Calgary flood.
Professor of Geology, Jerry Osborn has this to say about the Calgary floods of 1879 and 1897….
“But since the founding of Fort Calgary in 1875, there have been two floods significantly greater than our recent flood (2005), in 1879 and 1897. High-water marks allowed estimates of 2,265 cms for those floods. In addition, there was a 1902 flood the same size as our recent flood, and a handful of of other floods in the early 20th century larger than the 2005 flood peak of 790 cms.”
He goes on to say that “the original flood studies in Calgary, by Montreal Engineering, settled on an average recurrence interval of 70 years for a Bow River flow of 2,270 cms. That would make our recent Bow flood smaller than a 50 year flood”.
And then he remarks, “For huge, consider the “probable maximum flood” in Calgary, generated virtually by Montreal Engineering, which placed the worst meteorlogically likely storm over the basin in the way that would generate the most runoff. The result: 6,145 cms – three and a half times bigger than our recent flood and eight times bigger than the 2005 flood”.
The highest reading for the flood of 2005 was 1,740 cms….much smaller than those of 1879 and 1897.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Joey
March 13, 2018 12:46 pm

I have quoted the 3 floods 1879, 1897, and 1902 as greater than 2013. The 1902 level depends on who wrote the article. It was very similar to 2013. Suzuki got blasted in Alberta after he said that the 2013 flood was caused by global warming.

March 13, 2018 12:38 pm

I have visited Ms. Hayhoes site which seems to be mostly about ways to convince people about the dangers of CC. Very short on science. Perhaps I will read further but as I have found with most warmist sites, commenting does not seem to be enabled. This takes most of the fun out of it and results in a rather boring read.
There is a good subject for a study. Why do warmists often not invite comment? Are they too sensitive to criticism? Are they afraid of uncomfortable questions?Has someone the time to assemble the data? Seems like a good project for undergrads.

TA
Reply to  Rockyredneck
March 13, 2018 1:07 pm

“Why do warmists often not invite comment? Are they too sensitive to criticism? Are they afraid of uncomfortable questions?”
Yes.

Reply to  TA
March 13, 2018 2:37 pm

I remember seeing a video of Hayhoe being interviewed “on the street” in, I think it was, DC.
Then Marc Marano showed up.
She got real quite real fast. (though at one point she almost opened her mouth)
I did a quick search for it but couldn’t find it.
PS I used Google for my “quick search”.

Trevor Marr
March 13, 2018 12:39 pm

This slide of hers says it all! Where is the Catastrophe Kathy??? Reality is MOCKING your chart Ms. Hayhoe! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156086754552317&set=pcb.10156086754802317&type=3&theater
Nothing is increasing and in fact the only negative to the 1 part per MILLION ‘maybe’ fluctuation in Global Annual CO2 is the HUUGE decrease in the IQ of the Governments and the Climate Scientists!

John Mason
Reply to  Trevor Marr
March 13, 2018 1:00 pm

That’s awesome Trevor Marr – that slide reminds me of Al’s Inconvenient Truth where if you zoom on on his ‘evidence’, the ice core temperature graph, they show the opposite correlation to C02 being a cause, but proves it’s a follower. In this case, she’s being religious putting her faith in the models that her chart are also showing are disproven. Great Stuff!

Trevor Marr
Reply to  John Mason
March 13, 2018 2:22 pm

We are Tracking NOWHERE near the Doomsday Predictions! We are well within the norms of historic climate fluctuations, it has been warmer, it has been cooler, but the Climate Agenda has never been more WRONG for our advancing, ever-improving, optimizing, environmentally responsible society!

Latitude
Reply to  Trevor Marr
March 13, 2018 1:11 pm

Did she really say global warming is keeping us from going into another ice age?…..and she wants to stop that?

Trevor Marr
Reply to  Latitude
March 13, 2018 2:18 pm

Katherine could not have been Weirder!

Jonathan
March 13, 2018 12:46 pm

Surely……. Global warming….regardless of its origin can only bring positives to Canada or do any of these fools think everyone lives so close to the border with the US because they like their neigbour so much?

Bryan A
Reply to  Jonathan
March 13, 2018 1:39 pm
MarkW
Reply to  Jonathan
March 13, 2018 1:42 pm

What’s not to love?

R. Shearer
Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2018 2:16 pm

Yes, the horror if it’s -40 instead of -42.

climatereason
Editor
March 13, 2018 12:53 pm

Ontario?
This from my article of 2011
‘…..and this is reflected in this intriguing reference from the records of the Canadian Horticulturist monthly of 1880 (page 7).
“I do not know whether or not the climate of Ontario is really becoming permanently milder than formerly, but I do know that for the past 18 years or 20 years we have not experienced the same degree of cold as the seven years preceding.”
http://www.archive.org/stream/canadianhorticu03stcauoft#page/6/mode/2up
Hmm. Nothing new under the sun. So warming can be traced back to at least 1860
Tonyb

Albert
March 13, 2018 1:03 pm

There is a recent video of Dr. Hayhoe answering the question; “What is the right temperature for planet Earth?” Her answer is “the same as it’s always been”. I think she is deliberately dumbing people down, she can’t possibly be that dumb.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Albert
March 13, 2018 1:19 pm

Albert Political science doesn’t require brains. Cunning, deceit, misdirection yes, but not Intelligence. In fact, the lower the IQ the better just turn on CNN or take a closer look at what they are doing in the Public School Systems.

HDHoese
Reply to  Albert
March 13, 2018 2:34 pm

“ Likewise, noxious weeds like kudzu, which she said cannot take root in any region with extremely low winter temperatures but has been found in Ontario.”
Apparently homework is not a strong characteristic of Dr. Hayhoe. Kudzu does not have a history of growing west of the Mississippi River in Louisiana, with an exception that a Botany field trip used to point out. Soils are quite different east and west of the river, cold not so much. Don’t know about Ontario.

RACookPE1978
Editor
Reply to  HDHoese
March 14, 2018 4:32 am

Odd. Kudzu is a Japanese origin plant, DELIBERATELY transplanted to the US southern states BY THE GOVERNMENT in the early 1930’s as a erosion cover and soil retardant. Now, Japan is long, thin island, stretching a long distance from north to south, but Japan does match Ontario’s latitude. Soil types east-west of the Mississippi differ north near St Louis – where the Illinois hills mark the age-old eastern limit of its meandering path, but not near the coast. Further south, from mid-Tennessee to the coast, the river has very, very wide general track.

March 13, 2018 1:34 pm

“Odd that almost all ‘snowbirds’ – aka: Canadian winter vacation escapees – love to go to places that have many poisonous snakes. That does not seem to be a deterrent for sun-seekers. But back to science.)”
Another odd thing is that most of Canada’s population is in the south of Canada.comment image

MarkW
Reply to  Mark Bahner
March 13, 2018 1:43 pm

There are no snakes in Iowa.
Exactly how would it have to warm before snakes of any kind made it to Calgary?

Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2018 1:49 pm
Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2018 2:01 pm

LOL MarkW: “There are no snakes in Iowa.”
.
https://www.iowaherps.com/group/snakes

rocketscientist
Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2018 3:28 pm

But, there are snakes in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska…did St. Patrick come to Iowa too?

Reply to  MarkW
March 13, 2018 4:56 pm

Ah, no. There are snakes in Iowa; and some are poisonous.

There are 27 species of snakes that live in Iowa. They vary in size from very small brown and red-bellied snakes that are less than a foot long to black rat snakes that grow six feet long.

Iowa has four poisonous snakes, all of which are state endangered species except the timber rattlesnake. The massasauga is known to live only in three state marshes. Timber rattlesnakes are the largest and potentially the most dangerous. They occur in eastern and southern Iowa where bits of relatively undisturbed habitat remain. The prairie rattlesnake is very rare in Iowa and is limited to the northern portions of the Loess Hills. The copperhead is found only in a tiny area of southeastern Iowa”

If Dr. Kayhoe visits Iowa, there will be one more very poisonous snake, hopefully temporary.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Mark Bahner
March 14, 2018 5:58 am

“Another odd thing is that most of Canada’s population is in the south of Canada.”
Costco is a LOOOONG way from Yellowknife and Deadhorse.

icisil
March 13, 2018 1:51 pm

“In closing, Mayor Nenshi spoke, thanking the Rockefeller Foundation for the “Cities” person who is now part of City Hall staff and saying that there was a prepared speech which he was required to read. This seemed a bit odd as the Mayor is a very capable public speaker.”
They’re putting a lot of money into this – http://www.100resilientcities.org/100RC-FAQ/#/-_/

5. What will a CRO do?
A Chief Resilience Officer (CRO) is a top-level advisor to the city’s mayor or chief executive. His/her task is to bring in stakeholders from across silos of government and sectors of society, and to access all available resilience building tools and experts to develop a resilience strategy.

rocketscientist
Reply to  icisil
March 13, 2018 3:47 pm

A tautological rationale if I’ve ever heard one.
And, please, please keep them inside their silos.

Reply to  icisil
March 13, 2018 5:32 pm

If your City has one of these CRO’s, pay attention to long term policy that they may try to implement & make sure that future budget does not allow them to stay past their freebee stage.

Editor
March 13, 2018 2:05 pm

Of course, as far as our Katharine is concerned, climate history only began in 1960!
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/whats-katharine-hiding/

joe - the non climate scientist
March 13, 2018 2:06 pm

Hayhoe list of studies and research shows she has numerous studies detailing the weather (not climate, but weather) 50 years hence detailed down to very localized regions of the country. Geez – you cant predict the weather 2 weeks out, but she can predict the weather 50 years hence – explains why the activists adore her.

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