Mass Public Indoctrination Program on Climate Change Introduced in ‘Alberta Narratives’ During Calgary Climate Symposium
By Michelle Stirling and Trevor Marr
CALGARY, Alberta, Canada
As the IPCC Cities Conference progressed in Alberta’s capitol city of Edmonton, March 5-8, 2018, Canada’s energy center was not going to be left out. The Calgary Climate Change Symposium featured “Climate George” – George Marshall, activist and author of the UK, and Dr. Katharine Hayhoe of the Political Sciences department at Texas Tech University.

Marshall introduced the idea that it was too difficult to talk about climate change because it was such a polarizing issue, suggesting that conversations would immediately turn to talk about the spinach tart at dinner rather than the climate ‘crisis.’ The conversation would be especially difficult in Alberta where so many jobs rely on oil, gas and coal, he intimated.
Marshall noted that his background is in the social sciences and that facts and evidence just turn people off – so the way to go is to have people tell personal stories of how climate change has affected their lives.
There was some interactive play in the audience, where audience members were asked to turn to total strangers near them and explain to each other how climate change affected them and what were their worst fears. The 2013 catastrophic flood of Calgary’s downtown core was suggested as a topic – and there was a certain romantic attachment expressed about how Calgarians were SO kind and compassionate to each other in that time of distress and devastation.
Indeed, the 2013 flood in Calgary was NOT a climate change event, but a weather event. Flooding in Calgary is common, and as Roger Pielke, Jr. pointed out in his 2005 paper “Misdefining ‘‘climate change’’: consequences for science and action” – there is no ‘danger’ from flooding if people don’t build on a flood plain, as has been done in Calgary.

Dr. Hayhoe then charmed the audience with her folksy presentation telling us how her mother’s tulips were coming up in March instead of April and how this had never happened in all the time she was growing up in Ontario. This would normally be termed an anecdotal commentary, not scientific evidence, but this is the path the “Alberta Narrative” has taken.
Earlier in the day, Dr. Hayhoe had mocked Friends of Science Society in a most un-Christian-like way, though she admitted she liked our billboards.

Dr. Hayhoe presented graphs and maps showing Albertans that there were averages of weather stations and there were trends that showed warming. These were largely indecipherable to the audience but just throw a little red on there – even the one representing more snow – and people will be sufficiently alarmed.

Likewise, Dr. Hayhoe said Alberta’s winters were good because they kept nasty bugs, insects and poisonous snakes away from Alberta. Likewise, noxious weeds like kudzu, which she said cannot take root in any region with extremely low winter temperatures but has been found in Ontario. http://www.inspection.gc.ca/plants/plant-pests-invasive-species/invasive-plants/fact-sheets/kudzu/eng/1331750489827/1331750551292 This was apparently meant to show that Ontario is warmer than ever. (Note – in fact there are poisonous snakes in Alberta in the Medicine Hat region. Odd that almost all ‘snowbirds’ – aka: Canadian winter vacation escapees – love to go to places that have many poisonous snakes. That does not seem to be a deterrent for sun-seekers. But back to science.)
Dr. Hayhoe also showed how her ‘downscale’ modelling could help cities forecast the need for larger pipes for infrastructure in the event of future flooding – but not too large. That would cost too much.

Following these power point displays of graphs, maps and a rear view mirror, telling us we could not look back while society drove forward because we would drive off the curve on the climate change highway, Marshall and Hayhoe said there would be a province-wide campaign just like this one, to go to dozens of communities and get hundreds of people telling their ‘Alberta Narrative” about how climate change has affected them.
http://www.aenweb.ca/delegates/alberta-narrative-project
Power Point:
http://www.aenweb.ca/files/ab_narratives_project_overview_invitation_deadline_feb_14.pdf
Both seemed to express some sadness that the oil, gas and coal workers in Alberta should ‘be treated respectfully’ as they are about to be replaced by wind and solar generation – which was really the thrust of the Marshall-Hayhoe event.
Marshall had shown a map of Canada made by Yale Climate Connection, indicating that Albertans were less inclined to ‘believe’ in climate change – and several graphs that indicated this was due to either being conservatives or Christian. Dr. Hayhoe later discussed how she often spoke to faith groups.
Neither seemed to know that most of Alberta’s resistance to the idiotic Alberta Climate Plan is that there are over 70,000 Professional Engineers and Geosciences who are part of Alberta’s professional sector. Most of these science professionals are well aware of the climate modelling fiascos, the iffy data, and the torrid claims about climate change that are nothing compared to earth’s own ‘active planet.’
In other words, Albertans judge climate catastrophe claims on the evidence, facts and data, not on the anecdotal stories of foreigners who are trying to boondoggle Albertans out of billions of dollars for ineffective wind and solar.
In closing, Mayor Nenshi spoke, thanking the Rockefeller Foundation for the “Cities” person who is now part of City Hall staff and saying that there was a prepared speech which he was required to read. This seemed a bit odd as the Mayor is a very capable public speaker.
One wonders who paid for it all – including the catered reception – and just how shafted will Albertans be as this climateering train wreck runs its course. The present tab on coal phase-out and the early implementation of more wind and solar is already about $30 billion in costs.
Now THERE’S an Alberta Narrative.
One P. Engineer who attended had this to say:
I attended the Calgary Climate Symposium last night at Telus Spark with keynote speakers George Marshall from UK and Katherine Hayhoe now from the USA. There was plenty of hype, drama, fearmongering, telling us to Prepare for the Changes, calls for ‘conversation’ and it was more of a UN propaganda, fabricated goose-stepped indoctrination into an Orwellian 1984 manipulation (or should I say People-ipulation?).
In the parking lot after the thought control session I asked the respectful, pleasant Ms. Hayhoe the definition of the Climate Change? And her definition included Natural causes, but she looked me in the eye and said we should now be heading into an Ice Age, but we are not, because of Fossil Fuels killing our climate with CO2! I said that is a Good Thing, as we were shivering in a frozen (-20C) and 3′ deep, snowy parking lot as she was telling me we were perilously warming the Planet!
I was trying not to laugh! Actually, I was too cold to laugh! I reminded her of the fact that we used to be covered in 2km of Ice and Snow during the Ice Age and I asked her ‘What Caused THAT? Caveman SUV’s?’ And she said that today is different!?! She asked me to look at her web site for more convincing info to support her concern for “PeopleKind,” I will look at it ASAP!
UPDATE: This slide from her presentation pretty much says it all. Reality vs. predictions – reality wins.
I guess the concept of “know your room” wasn’t explained to the CAGW speakers. 😉
…or the concept of telling Canadians they will get one less month of winter
Alberta is ‘For’ global warming!
What is Hayhoe’s doctorate in? Shrinkology?
I think there should be a law or something that prohibits the use of the word “science” in connection to the words social and political. ….. Ideologies and sci nice just don’t mix, and result in propaganda that is always false and deceiving.
Science …. sci nice …. man I hate autocorrect.
Though it is fitting as they want us to believe there Sci is Nice
UNDP -09 May 2017
‘Better understanding of human behaviour can help the global goal’
Webpage has links and the report can be downloaded
The public should be aware of what’s taking place at the UN.
Using behavioral science to accomplish UN goals.
http://www.undp.org/content/undp/en/home/blog/2017/5/9/Better-understanding-of-human-behaviour-can-help-achieve-the-global-development-agenda.html
UN Sustainable Development Knowledge Platform
UNEP, 2017
‘Consuming Differently, Consuming Sustainably: Behavioural Insights for Policymaking, 50 + pages
This is global in scope.
Check out Government of Canada under Behavioural Insights for webpages on this topic.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/index.php?page=view&type=400&nr=2404
UNFCCC, c. 2006
‘Canada’s Report on Demonstrable Progress Under The Kyoto Protocol’, 16 pages
Has information thru 2005 including:
IPCC role
And other information such as to how the Kyoto Protocol was set up in Canada.
http://unfccc.int/resource/docs/dpr/can1e.pdf
Parliament Of Canada
Library of Parliament
Current Publications:
‘Climate Change Negotiations: The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change in Context’, 2014
A brief history begins in 1988 and includes references.
https://lop.parl.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/2014-03-e.htm
United Nations Climate Change
Search: enter Canada > yields 10 pages of documents
https://unfccc.int/2860.php
Select any document.
OECD
Regulatory Policy
Re:
Behhavioural Insights / “Nudge”
Webpage has many links to more information on this topic.
http://www.oecd.org/gov/regulatory-policy/behavioural-insights.htm
Gov. UK
Behavioural Insights Team
Also known as the: Nudge Unit
https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/behavioural-insights-team
And,
The Behavioural Insights Team North America
Re: history, information and links
http://www.behaviouralinsights.co.uk/behavioral-insights-team-north-america
EU Science Hub / European Commission
‘Behavioural Insights Applied to Policy European Report 016’, ~145 pages
Includes 32 European countries. Select any country.
Can download at:
https://ec.europa.eu/jrc/en/publication/eur-scientific-and-technical-research-reports/behavioural-insights-applied-policy-european-report-2016
there should be a law
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there is a law already.
Democratic Republic – not a democracy
Climate Science – not a science
Math, physics, chemistry – nowhere is “science” part of the name of any real science.
If you need to add “science” to the name of your field of study, you can sure what you are studying is not science. It is at best pseudo science.
What is the difference? A * B = B * A. Science tells us this is true because there is no exception. It matters not how many times this is true, if there is a single exception it is false. Scientific proof exists that not a single exception is possible.
More CO2 = more warming. This is pseudo science because while there are many examples where it is true, there are also many examples where it is false. Pseudo science holds this to be true based on finding more true examples than false examples, as though science was open to a vote.
However, if you look long enough you can find infinite examples that are true and infinite examples that are false. And we know from mathematics that 100 times infinity = infinity. Therefore it is irrelevant how many positive or negative examples you find. All it takes is 1 exception to prove the rule false.
for example, the ice age records show that temperatures start to rise when CO2 is low and start to fall when CO2 is high. this shows that More CO2 = less warming, directly contradicting the GHG theory of global warming.
Here is a graph from SS (of all people!) showing that it is low CO2 that causes temp to rise and high CO2 that causes them to fall. Take a look. When CO2 levels are low temps rapidly shoot up. When CO2 levels are high, temps slowly fall. Exactly opposite to prediction.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/TempsandCO2800KYears.png
Ah, but if A & B are matrices A*B ≠ B*A … let’s make sure we define our terms clearly, then we will know what algebra to use.
ferdberple – March 13, 2018 at 12:21 pm
Ferdberple …… now the above was fer shur a “cutie”, ….. I shur luved it.
A few readers might complain because you didn’t denote that paragraph as “satire”, but that’s OK iffen they do.
Cheers
Yes true, correlation is not causation and science is not defined by consensus! Climate Science is pinning everything on one thing, CO2, but this is a planet circling a Sun and blaming a trace gas that varies by a possible 1 part per million, per year, annually as the single thing controlling the earth’s temperature is deception, for taxation and control..
Science vs Pseudo Science
Let: T = True, F = false
Truth tables:
Science
T AND T = T
T AND F = F (one exception makes it false)
T AND T AND F = F (one exception makes it false)
Pseudo Science
T AND T = T
T AND F = NULL (unknown, more study required. F has same weight as T)
T AND T AND F = T (more T than F makes it true)
If your field of study uses positive examples to outweigh negative examples, it is not science. In science the negative examples are definitive. In Pseudo Science negative examples hold the same weight as positive examples.
It always amazes me how poor a job our school system does of teaching logic. The Greeks thousands of years ago gave us:
T AND T AND F = F
Yet a surprisingly large number of people will agree with:
T AND T AND F = T
Based on the notion that since there is more T than F, it is more likely T.
Try it on your friends and see if they get it right. It could be that this logic problem is at the heart of the Climate Change confusion. Quite simply:
science education = F
Strangely enough, mathematics is not a science.
“Sci nice” has some potential as a new phrase, I think. It could mean something like “talking nicely about what the popular view is”. Consensus science is “sci nice” or “nice science”, as opposed to skeptical views, which are “not so sci nice”. In other words, when you are NOT paying homage to the consensus, you are NOT being nice. When you ARE paying homage to the consensus, you are being nice, hence, “sci nice”.
Used in sentences: His view is not very sci nice. What a sci nice thing to say.
Okay, enough with the heart strings today. I do feel sorry for Albertans for being subjected to this nonscience nonsense, especially from Texas. How about showing billboards of Venezuelans fleeing to Columbia since this is the feelings conference.
Yes. Someone living in Texas goes to Alberta to warn Canadians about getting too hot? It beggars belief.
Ayup…Canada where the summer months are on June 26
it gets better- the son of fidel castro will pay china to save canada from global warming.
nitpik: Colombia, or maybe they are fleeing to Columbia, North Carolina?
Tulips coming up in March instead of April! Oh, the horrible devastation! We need more taxes on oil! (sarc.)
That canary isn’t dead, its just resting.
Yes the CO2 and methane concentration is too low to affect the canary. So the vital coal will keep flowing 🙂
The canary is enjoying an early spring.
Maybe the canary died of a coronary event.
Maybe it died of old age.
Maybe it never was a canary, maybe it was just paste and feathers.
Maybe it is sleeping.
Maybe it is just resting.
Maybe the guy that wanted to take a break from working stuck a needle through its neck.
Maybe the guy that sells the canaries poisoned it so he could sell more canaries.
Maybe there is a better indicator to use now … we stopped using canaries a long time ago.
Maybe you should read the ferdberple 12:32 PM comments; then read ’em again; then read ’em again.
OK, I know its been done before, but I just gotta:
Does that mean the ice-bound U.S. Navy ship gets to leave Canada now?
It can leave as soon as Katherine gets to blowing more hot air at the ice.
I live just south of Calgary and avid gardener….I record dates they push through the soil and flowering dates….no trend!! varies from year to year!! I also happen to record temps/precip for Environment Canada for 29 years and yes….slight warming trend….but it is caused by the likes of Dr. K. Hayhoe….now prove me wrong!
Excellent statement, and records, Lance! +100
I can guarantee you there won’t be any tulips in Alberta this March. We have just finally returned to average temperatures (Friday the 9th), and we still have substantial snow cover.
There are too many Canadian’s who are easily convinced that warming is going to be bad for us. It boggles my mind.
I was a bity confused by her comment as well. It doesn’t get cold enough in Texas to grow tulips without artificially cooling the ground. If her mother still lives in Texas, then the tulips won’t sprout until you chill the flower beds, by dumping ice on them and allowing it to melt away. You have to “trick” the tulips if you don’t live in the proper climate. I suspect her mother was simply icing down her tulip beds a bit earlier in the year.
Never mind it seems her mother lives in Toronto.
Uh, rocketscientist, to which part of Texas are you referring? Having spent more than a decade in Fort Worth, I can attest that we had 1 -2 ice storms per year. Don’t know if the ground got cold enough to grow the tulips. But it sure does get cold for an extended time in the Panhandle. Texas is a big place, with many climate zones.
I’m hoping to see my grass by mid August.
Is the snow and are the cold Temperatures a sign from the Climate Gods that we actually paid too much Climate Tax? Will we get a refund from our Canadian Governments?
What does an alarmist call CO2 greening ? — A weed problem.
I wish you were joking, but I’ve had a warmunist tell me that weeds were going to benefit from more CO2 way more than any plant we care about.
“Drain the Swamp” and there will be less green for the weeds.
For a moment I had misread CO2 as the abbreviation for Colorado and that completely changed the connotation.
I live in southern Ontario and I can’t assure you that it (tulips) ain’t happening this March.
Had that happen once years ago in Manitoba. The tulips got their “buds” frozen off in early May.
March 14th in my south BC neighbourhood, 20 minutes from the US border and no Tulips yet in my yard. Finally took the wrapping off my palm, but I have a feeling that I may be a few weeks early. Looks like we will get below average toward the end of March according to weatherbell.
Hayhoe succeeds at being an embarrassment to both science and christianity.
and Texas…
… and Canada. She was born and raised there. link
The political science department is the appropriate place for Dr Hayhoe, as this is definitely political science.:-)
Kayhoe is perilously close to being an example of Simony, and is preaching a false, shallow and deceptive gospel. to boot.
Wholly gnostic, Batman! She’s married to Andrew Farley! He’s one of the neo-gnostic hypergrace teachers.
Well she does a pretty good act as church lady from SNL just with a different climate religious theme.
Hayhoe, ho hum.
Did anyone ask her how the permanent drought was doing in Texas?
The photo captures a perfect look of condescension if I ever saw one.
It’s hilarious that folks like Hayhoe think not only that we “should be heading into an ice age”, but apparently also thinks that would be a good thing. She’s so hopelessly clueless about climate that she doesn’t even seem to realize that we are actually in an ice age which began 2.6 mya, and happen, fortunately to be in an interglacial period, the Holocene. Further extending her lack of knowledge is the fact that the current interglacial period could itself last another thousand years or more, regardless of what man does. The stupid, it burns.
There is considerable proxy evidence that hints that we have been descending into a new glaciation for the last couple of thousand years. Fortunately. it takes many thousand years to build glacial ice to the extent of a major glaciation. It does not take a lot of cooling. Once started lower temperatures will follow the ice buildup.
Without being flippant, I was under the impression that she only believes in a 6,000 or 7,000-years-old Earth, so a ‘starting point’ of a glacial episode about 2.6 ma is outside of her ability to comprehend.
Did I miss something? (and this is NOT a /sarc; I thought she was a young-Earth creationist)
A good point Deplorable Vlad
Though I must ask…Why so Flippant??
To a modern “environmentalist” anything that nature does is good.
Anything that man does that interferes with nature is evil.
To them, if the world were heading into an ice age, they would fight tooth and nail against any proposal to slow or stop this.
On target, as usual, MarkW!
“To them, if the world were heading into an ice age, they would fight tooth and nail against any proposal to slow or stop this.”
Totally. Somehow a slow sea level rise can’t be adapted for, but crushing a good portion of the town and cities in the northern hemisphere is A-OK.
Can you photo-shop a cowboy hat on to it?
Meanwhile other climate scare experts are saying the opposite for the region…..
No tulips here
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180313130629.htm
I guess it’s a matter of pick your poison.
Parts of Alberta were hard hit during the dirty thirties. That’s living memory for my (approaching 100 year old) mother. Stories about tulips coming up a month early don’t impress her. She’s seen weirder weather.
I note that Rex Tillerson has been fired. Do we think that’s a good thing?
Firing Tillerson was a good thing. The president and the Secretary of State need to be on the same page, and apparently Tillerson wasn’t on the same page as Trump.
Pompeo is not a good thing, or even a good person…
He doesn’t buy into the climate hoax, so that’s a good thing. Tillerson does
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/13/delingpole-mike-pompeo-climate-change-skeptic-energy-realist/
In Edmonton Hayhoe said that she was shocked to find out her new husband didn’t belong eve in global warming…..I wonder if she was equally shocked to find out that Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy aren’t real either…..
[“belong eve” = “believe” ? .mod]
Gee, I wonder how many thousands of publications had been published on the ether theory of physics before Einstein and others did away with it.
That’s a good one. I may use it. I always point to the thousands of books written about astrology, or marxism for that matter. Doesn’t prove one jot about it being true or not. But it tells volumes about the people who take them serious.
A full review if that history may exist or needs to be compiled by a top notch historian. I believe that case included academic enforcers who ended careers of young scientists and included a climax of absurdity to defend it right up to the brink of its collapse…..followed by total silence.
So by Connecticut’s Democratic Governor Malloy, Dr. Cahterine Hayhoe and the IPCC are acting like terrorists.
Quoting Governor Malloy, “I said that the NRA acts like a terrorist organization. Webster’s defines a terrorist organization as one that uses fear to effect its goals. What organization in America has used fear better than the NRA?”
(source: npr.org)
I can answer that question.
The UN IPCC and the authors of the upcoming National Climate assessment are acting like terrorists. They clearly use fear, at every opportunity, of future climate warming, claiming widespread death, flodding, famines and wars as a reslt of a minor atmospheric trace gas increase.
Conclusion: by Democrat’s own standards, Catherine Hayhoe acts like a terrorist when she makes dubious climate claims and invokes fear in her audiences to try and convince them we need socialism and one-world governance. Furthermore, Al Gore’s climate PAC, the IPCC and UNFCCC then also need US State Department designations as terrorist organizations.
Let’s see, the gun grabbers tell people that if we don’t outlaw guns, a crazed lunatic is going to break into your home and kill your family.
The NRA points out that if a crazed lunatic does break into your home, you can use your gun to stop him before he hurts anybody.
Who exactly is it that is using terror to advance their agenda?
Aye!
Agreed! AGW = Al Gore’s Wrong!
Good Lord, Canadians. If you don’t act now, your winter’s could be as warm as Minnesota’s or North Dakota’s. Scary thought, why, again?
Darn, let me apologize for warming North Dakota. eh
Regarding the 2005 Calgary flood.
Professor of Geology, Jerry Osborn has this to say about the Calgary floods of 1879 and 1897….
“But since the founding of Fort Calgary in 1875, there have been two floods significantly greater than our recent flood (2005), in 1879 and 1897. High-water marks allowed estimates of 2,265 cms for those floods. In addition, there was a 1902 flood the same size as our recent flood, and a handful of of other floods in the early 20th century larger than the 2005 flood peak of 790 cms.”
He goes on to say that “the original flood studies in Calgary, by Montreal Engineering, settled on an average recurrence interval of 70 years for a Bow River flow of 2,270 cms. That would make our recent Bow flood smaller than a 50 year flood”.
And then he remarks, “For huge, consider the “probable maximum flood” in Calgary, generated virtually by Montreal Engineering, which placed the worst meteorlogically likely storm over the basin in the way that would generate the most runoff. The result: 6,145 cms – three and a half times bigger than our recent flood and eight times bigger than the 2005 flood”.
The highest reading for the flood of 2005 was 1,740 cms….much smaller than those of 1879 and 1897.
I have quoted the 3 floods 1879, 1897, and 1902 as greater than 2013. The 1902 level depends on who wrote the article. It was very similar to 2013. Suzuki got blasted in Alberta after he said that the 2013 flood was caused by global warming.
I have visited Ms. Hayhoes site which seems to be mostly about ways to convince people about the dangers of CC. Very short on science. Perhaps I will read further but as I have found with most warmist sites, commenting does not seem to be enabled. This takes most of the fun out of it and results in a rather boring read.
There is a good subject for a study. Why do warmists often not invite comment? Are they too sensitive to criticism? Are they afraid of uncomfortable questions?Has someone the time to assemble the data? Seems like a good project for undergrads.
“Why do warmists often not invite comment? Are they too sensitive to criticism? Are they afraid of uncomfortable questions?”
Yes.
I remember seeing a video of Hayhoe being interviewed “on the street” in, I think it was, DC.
Then Marc Marano showed up.
She got real quite real fast. (though at one point she almost opened her mouth)
I did a quick search for it but couldn’t find it.
PS I used Google for my “quick search”.
This slide of hers says it all! Where is the Catastrophe Kathy??? Reality is MOCKING your chart Ms. Hayhoe! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156086754552317&set=pcb.10156086754802317&type=3&theater
Nothing is increasing and in fact the only negative to the 1 part per MILLION ‘maybe’ fluctuation in Global Annual CO2 is the HUUGE decrease in the IQ of the Governments and the Climate Scientists!
That’s awesome Trevor Marr – that slide reminds me of Al’s Inconvenient Truth where if you zoom on on his ‘evidence’, the ice core temperature graph, they show the opposite correlation to C02 being a cause, but proves it’s a follower. In this case, she’s being religious putting her faith in the models that her chart are also showing are disproven. Great Stuff!
We are Tracking NOWHERE near the Doomsday Predictions! We are well within the norms of historic climate fluctuations, it has been warmer, it has been cooler, but the Climate Agenda has never been more WRONG for our advancing, ever-improving, optimizing, environmentally responsible society!
Did she really say global warming is keeping us from going into another ice age?…..and she wants to stop that?
Katherine could not have been Weirder!
Surely……. Global warming….regardless of its origin can only bring positives to Canada or do any of these fools think everyone lives so close to the border with the US because they like their neigbour so much?
Well of course they do…just look at where they all live
http://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2006/as-sa/97-550/vignettes/img/map-2006-pop-density-canada-sz01-en.gif
What’s not to love?
Yes, the horror if it’s -40 instead of -42.
Ontario?
This from my article of 2011
‘…..and this is reflected in this intriguing reference from the records of the Canadian Horticulturist monthly of 1880 (page 7).
“I do not know whether or not the climate of Ontario is really becoming permanently milder than formerly, but I do know that for the past 18 years or 20 years we have not experienced the same degree of cold as the seven years preceding.”
http://www.archive.org/stream/canadianhorticu03stcauoft#page/6/mode/2up
Hmm. Nothing new under the sun. So warming can be traced back to at least 1860
Tonyb
There is a recent video of Dr. Hayhoe answering the question; “What is the right temperature for planet Earth?” Her answer is “the same as it’s always been”. I think she is deliberately dumbing people down, she can’t possibly be that dumb.
Albert Political science doesn’t require brains. Cunning, deceit, misdirection yes, but not Intelligence. In fact, the lower the IQ the better just turn on CNN or take a closer look at what they are doing in the Public School Systems.
“ Likewise, noxious weeds like kudzu, which she said cannot take root in any region with extremely low winter temperatures but has been found in Ontario.”
Apparently homework is not a strong characteristic of Dr. Hayhoe. Kudzu does not have a history of growing west of the Mississippi River in Louisiana, with an exception that a Botany field trip used to point out. Soils are quite different east and west of the river, cold not so much. Don’t know about Ontario.
Odd. Kudzu is a Japanese origin plant, DELIBERATELY transplanted to the US southern states BY THE GOVERNMENT in the early 1930’s as a erosion cover and soil retardant. Now, Japan is long, thin island, stretching a long distance from north to south, but Japan does match Ontario’s latitude. Soil types east-west of the Mississippi differ north near St Louis – where the Illinois hills mark the age-old eastern limit of its meandering path, but not near the coast. Further south, from mid-Tennessee to the coast, the river has very, very wide general track.
“Odd that almost all ‘snowbirds’ – aka: Canadian winter vacation escapees – love to go to places that have many poisonous snakes. That does not seem to be a deterrent for sun-seekers. But back to science.)”
Another odd thing is that most of Canada’s population is in the south of Canada.
There are no snakes in Iowa.
Exactly how would it have to warm before snakes of any kind made it to Calgary?
Doesn’t have to warm at all in Calgary: https://www.albertaparks.ca/media/2493216/snakes_in_park_aug_2006.pdf
LOL @ MarkW: “There are no snakes in Iowa.”
.
https://www.iowaherps.com/group/snakes
But, there are snakes in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Nebraska…did St. Patrick come to Iowa too?
Ah, no. There are snakes in Iowa; and some are poisonous.
If Dr. Kayhoe visits Iowa, there will be one more very poisonous snake, hopefully temporary.
“Another odd thing is that most of Canada’s population is in the south of Canada.”
Costco is a LOOOONG way from Yellowknife and Deadhorse.
“In closing, Mayor Nenshi spoke, thanking the Rockefeller Foundation for the “Cities” person who is now part of City Hall staff and saying that there was a prepared speech which he was required to read. This seemed a bit odd as the Mayor is a very capable public speaker.”
They’re putting a lot of money into this – http://www.100resilientcities.org/100RC-FAQ/#/-_/
A tautological rationale if I’ve ever heard one.
And, please, please keep them inside their silos.
If your City has one of these CRO’s, pay attention to long term policy that they may try to implement & make sure that future budget does not allow them to stay past their freebee stage.
Of course, as far as our Katharine is concerned, climate history only began in 1960!
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/whats-katharine-hiding/
Hayhoe list of studies and research shows she has numerous studies detailing the weather (not climate, but weather) 50 years hence detailed down to very localized regions of the country. Geez – you cant predict the weather 2 weeks out, but she can predict the weather 50 years hence – explains why the activists adore her.
As an graduate of the fine University of Texas Tech class of 1970 with a degree in Electrical Engineering I’m a bit ashamed the Ms. Hayhoe is associated with the University of Texas Tech in any capacity. I’m hoping she didn’t get that Doctorate Degree at Texas Tech.
Can you buy a degree from Amazon?
“Both seemed to express some sadness that the oil, gas and coal workers in Alberta should ‘be treated respectfully’ as they are about to be replaced by wind and solar generation – which was really the thrust of the Marshall-Hayhoe event.”
“One wonders who paid for it all – including the catered reception…” It would be interesting to find that out. Industrial scale wind proponents lured leaseholders in Ontario similarly. Al Gore came to Ontario and whipped everyone into a frightened frenzy to make sure that all would submit to the incursion into rural communities.
Follow the money!!!
The local weatherman can not even get the weekend forecast accurate within 2deg C! So telling us that they predict ANYTHING with accuracy 100yrs into the future is a very weak fortune cookie guess! I have an idea, rather than committing to a ctrl-alt-del of the World’s established energy infrastructure, let’s base Policy on 5 year increments of Reality! Reality is not mapping to the 100yr prediction already!
In fact, CO2 is GREENING the Earth, increasing food production and it can be said that the only negative to a 1part per MILLION fluctuation in Global Average CO2, is the HUGE DECREASE in the IQ of Climate Scientists and the Leftist Liberal Democrats (BTW what is the Level of Accuracy on measuring 1part per MILLION?).
The Climate is doing NOTHING out of the Ordinary! The Climate has been Warmer, it has been Cooler, it has been Wetter, it has bee Drier, there is no increase in storms, in fact the number of Category 5 Hurricanes has decreased, so perhaps the CO2 reduces Hurricane intensity? We must remember the Earth has gone Warmer (Warming Periods) and Cooler (Ice Ages) with or without Man or Man Made CO2! The Climate of the Earth fluctuates, trends up, trends down, because we are a living and breathing, ALIVE Planet! The year that the Earth’s Climate Stops Changing, will mean the Earth is Dead! Thank God for Climate Change!
Yes it is true, AGW has now been redefined to stand for Al Gore’s Wrong!!! So are Kathy and George!!! They did not fool Donald T, but Justin T, Catherine M, Rachel N are VOID of reality!
According to the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, one can conclude that the climate change we are experiencing today is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. Climate change has been going on for eons and will continue to go on whether mankind is here or not. The climate change we have been experiencing is so small that it takes a network of sophisticated sensors, decades to even detect it. One must not confuse true climate change with weather cycles which are part of the current climate. Even if mankind could somehow stop the climate from changing, extreme weather events and sea level rise would continue because they are part of the current climate. I would thing that warming would favor Canada since it is such a cold place to begin with. Spending more on infrastructure that will help protect people from the ravages of weather may be a good idea but trying to fight climate change is just a total waste of time and money.
Our own Governments are INSANE! We ALL need to speak up and call out this deception and never forgive what these politicians were trying to do to us! Unforgivable and actually Treasonous! Be informed, inform others, be VISIBLE and Vocal!
“…Dr. Hayhoe later discussed how she often spoke to faith groups…”
She is clearly part of one.
Stereotypical example if the dialectic.
It’s amazing how these so called “climate experts” have talked themselves into such gloom and doom scenarios for the planet and now go round preaching like evangelists. But if they believe their own twisted models and don’t apply common sense then what can you expect. Wasn’t the old computer expression “Garbage in, garbage out”!!
These Hypocrites fly from this side of the Country to that, across oceans, to connect with their Limo’s and opulent lifestyles, a virtual Carbon Based Dream, as they tell the peasants to eat cake! If this was Renaissance France it would be off with their heads!
Fossil Fuels and Oil are the Cure, not a curse at ALL!!!
Stay Calm, Emit On!!!
A definitive not-innocent lie!
As Lance and others have pointed out, Hayhoe’s flower claims are bogus.
Since the signs simply point out that science is about inquiry; that illustrates rather well that Kayhoe is against inquiry and therefore against proper science.
Gross assumptions that demonstrate Kayhoe’s cause/effect abuse of science.
Kayhoe directly implies that city planning engineers are unable to calculate necessary drainage systems.
The Kayhoe, promptly applies the classic developer response and minimizing required pipe and drainage by purposely underestimating rainfall amounts and frequencies.
Of course, city planners should believe a climate activist rather than engineers…
Ignore the past and ramp up emotional impact, then have people “testify” for their salvation.
Classic religion and condemnation without any science.
Katharine Hayhoe gives science and scientists a bad name and should be ashamed.
Karma is coming for the do as I say, not as I do Climate Cult!
A new satan has been invented. Repent or suffer the fire and brimstone. I am surprised they did not have a big tent an 100 voice choirs.
This is very worrisome for Calgarians as we know what this kind of funding means… In Vancouver for instance as documented in detail by Vivian Krause
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/
In particular the ever so close relationship between Tides and the campaign of Vancouver’s Oh so green Mayor Greg Robertson…
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/letters-to-drummond-pike-and-joel-solomon.html
http://fairquestions.typepad.com/rethink_campaigns/gregor-robertson-campaign-finance.html
Is Nenshi their next Canadian mayor catch?
No, one should not say “people-ipulation” instead of “manipulation”: the Latin root is “manus” (4th declension feminine noun) meaning “hand”. Nothing to do with the Anglo-Saxon “man”. I’m all in favour of using non-sexist terms like “chairperson”, “police officer” and “firefighter”, but fake etymology is a bane. “Herstory” for “history of women” is the classic case: “history” has the Greek root ίστημι, “histemi”, meaning to establish or set up: nothing to do with Anglo-Saxon possessive adjective “his”.
I just checked: “manipulus” in Latin means “handful”, and also a group of soldiers, one third of a cohort, which is 360 soldiers, so the “maniple” is 120 soldiers. I knew the “manus” root was right, but was trying to think of a verb as root for the other part. Wrong! Anyway, the “hand” meaning makes sense of the basic meaning of the word, as in “She manipulated the controls of the combine harvester with skill.” Hope y’all are not distracted by this.
Katherine Hayhoe is weird, George Marshall is even weirder.
For a minute there, I thought you had called her Dr Havoc ! Pity.
The subject of Science:
Follow this link – its very slick and some attractive women (am I allowed to say that?) are trying to sell something. All above board.
It may be something very interesting anyway, seeing as how we are all going to be engulfed by an avalanche of extra food calories in the coming years. Not least as how we are all so rich and intelligent.
Of course, no-one says what form those calories are in – sugar, fat or protein.
All you need to endure are the first 15 minutes – does anything they’re talking about in there sound familiar?
Something very serious to ponder ff those girls are correct.
Innit?
“The conversation would be especially difficult in Alberta”
I was taught that a conversation required both parties to engage in “listening” and not just “talking”. How much listening is Katharine doing?
None!
Hayhoe Hayhoe its off to spread BS i go. Those weeds are going to sprout from all that organic fertilizer she is spreading around.
Climate advocacy science as entered the duality phase of warmer and colder in the same region depending on when or if you look at it. For the same region we have Hayhoe saying warming and the following from Rutgers explaining colder caused by climate change also for the same region. At least with quantum physics duality the strangeness led to the electronics revolution and quantum computers in due time. With advocacy climate science we just get wasted time.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180313130629.htm
I’m surprised to see Katherine Hayhoe there in person, she says she requests video conferencing to avoid travel.
Though she does seem to end up flying a lot of places …
“… winters were good because they kept nasty bugs …”
I am an agro-climatologist
At one of the meetings (in my country), it was warned that – as a result of warming – a new insect pest Diabrotica virgifera (western corn rootworm) would be dangerous.
I asked a simple question: where is the higher profitability (yields)? In countries with a warm climate (where is the western corn rootworm) or in my (cool) country?
There was silence in the room …
Cold winters – versus insect pests.
The truth is: frosts destroy mostly weakened (eg with parasites, diseases) insect pests. And natural enemies of insect pests. Pests (after cold winters) are few, of course, but can fully realize their – insect pest, reproductive potential. This is why after the cold winters (especially pests of several generations in the growing season) the majority of insect pests, have disastrous gradations. No frost winter = no gradiations.The oscillatory model – equation L.-V. will operate.
And as a result of IPCC global warming – the “Business as usual” scenario, GDP – Budget of Canada is expected to increase by around 100% (for one person – http://naukaoklimacie.pl/cdn/upload/56ee8403d66c4_procentowe-zmiany-pkb-w-roznych-krajach-w-scenariuszu-biznes-jak-zwykle.png – sorry for the Polish version).
The knowledge of the supporters of the catastrophic version of AGW, is so often (too often): “an embarrassing.”
How did she get there? she flew i bet.
I would encourage the people of Alberta to shut down all their dependable coal fired and natural gas power stations and switch intermittent solar and wind… lets see how many winters that lasts… minus 20C can focus the mind very quickly…
Read the news, that is exactly what our NDP (read socialist) government in Alberta and our LIberal (read leftist money wasters) Canadian government are proposing to impose on us.
I have nothing against a little wind or solar being added to the mix or even to them being lightly subsidized as startups.
What I really can’t stomach is the arbitrary and forced shutdown of perfectly good world class coal-fired plants or the ridiculous carbon taxes meant to put fossil fuels at a disadvantage.
The next step could be to tax food directly (it is already taxed indirectly through the carbon tax) on the justification that we are farting out too much CO2.
Yes, and Texas Tech is funded by oil revenues.
And warmer temperatures in a freezing cold climate are bad why?
Canadians in general don’t intend to make any lifestyle changes to combat climate change, and Albertans, more than any other Canadians, will make the fewest.
This kind of nonsense won’t work where the population is educated. And that’s why they will start indoctrinating at an earlier age. Watch what your children or grandchildren are learning in school. Teach them that some people will fudge data so they can have a job.
Gee, her next move should be to go to the southern states and warn them about cooler summers.
I guess this fact less presentation convinces many people of pending doom but for me it is a complete waste of time. Show me data that supports your theories and climate model predictions or go home and stop wasting everybody’s time and money. I am embarrassed for the presenters and the audience who are so easily manipulated by playing on their emotions and goodwill.
I thought that the debate was resolved after my findings that the sun is the major climate driver. This is not just hypothesis, it is proven hardcore science on even explaining the solar wind phenomenon. A volume of research. And it addresses the AGW supporters’ questions. http://dimispoulos.wixsite.com/dimis
Hayhoe is a terrible scientist, a liar, and COMPLETELY unhinged.
Again, I was there and I need to call attention to the slide where Reality is definitely NOT mapping to the Doomsday Scenario of the Catastrophic Warming! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10156086754552317&set=pcb.10156086754802317&type=3&theater
Make sure Sanity is a large part of any discussion!
https://www.facebook.com/trevor.marr/posts/10156086754802317?pnref=story
I know it’s selfish but why wouldn’t Canadians love global warming? No more block heaters , snow tires ,
parkas , and even less use of fossil fuel . Sounds like something to be greatly encouraged !
I live close to Calgary and it’s very cold today and very snowy, just like most days here in The Great White North. It has always been cold and snowy and always will be, +or – 1000 years.
Professor Who-Ha hasn’t a clue.
Hayhoe, Hayhoe, it’s off to OZ you go. Here in north Southern Ontario, there’s still
snow on my deck and lawns.