Guest essay by Neil Lock
Today, I’m going to look at a mantra much trumpeted by environmentalists; the precautionary principle. I’ll seek to make a case that, since the early 1980s, this idea has been perverted. To such an extent, that the principle now has an effect all but opposite to its true intention. I’ll trace how this happened, and try to outline how we might fix the resulting mess.
What is the precautionary principle?
The precautionary principle, even in its original, pre-1980s form, is an elusive beast. There’s no generally agreed wording of it. But its essence can be summarized as “better safe than sorry,” or “look before you leap.” Though some – myself included – go further, and see it as akin to the Hippocratic oath for doctors: “First, do no harm.”
In this form, the principle is very sensible advice. Before they put a new product on the market, for example, sane business people will test it thoroughly to check it has no bad side-effects. If they don’t do this, and something goes wrong, they will face lawsuits, and perhaps worse.
But some wish to take the principle further. Today, it’s often interpreted to mean that if there’s a risk of something bad happening, particularly to the environment or to human, animal or plant health, then action should, or even must, be taken to avoid or to minimize that risk. And on this excuse, policies have been made that have imposed huge costs on all of us.
Risk
On examination, this new form of the principle doesn’t fit well with our common-sense ideas of how to deal with risk. For in thinking about risk, we recognize two kinds: risk to ourselves, and risk to others. As far as risk to ourselves goes, each of us must make our own decisions. We do it all the time; just about everything in life involves some degree of risk. We judge, rationally or otherwise, whether a particular risk is justified for us. And we decide either to take the risk, or not. For example, every time we go in a plane, there’s a risk it may crash and kill us. We weigh this up, consciously or not, against the gain we expect from making the journey. We look, and then we leap; or not. And most of us come out with the same decision: We get in that plane.
Today’s version of the precautionary principle is worse than useless in assessing risk to ourselves. For it would have us either avoid risks altogether, or focus on minimizing them. But a life without taking risks is, at best, the life of a vegetable. And a life spent focusing on risks is a paranoid one.
Risk to others is a more difficult subject. Sometimes our actions may have negative impacts on others; on their property, on their health, even in extreme cases on their very lives. Now, all individuals are responsible for the consequences of their actions to others, unless those actions were coerced. And it may be that in a particular case the harm, which an action causes others, exceeds what reasonable people will bear in a spirit of mutual tolerance. In such cases, in a sane world, we should be required to compensate those we have harmed. In environmental terms, that’s the basis of the idea of “polluter pays” – one with which I heartily agree.
There are, therefore, good reasons to invest in minimizing risk to others. I gave already the example of a company putting a new product on the market. In making decisions on such risks, particularly if the damage caused may be great, it makes sense to assess the risks, and their consequences and costs if things go wrong, as objectively as possible.
Rationally, we will invest in minimizing such a risk as long as the likely gain from the reduction of risk exceeds the cost involved in reducing it. Beyond that point, we have only two options; we either go ahead and face the consequences, or we scrap the whole thing. If we tried to use the precautionary principle as often interpreted today, however, we would have to spend forever more and more to allay less and less likely, or less and less serious, risks.
Weak and strong precaution
In the original (weak) form of the precautionary principle, the burden of proof is always on the party wanting to make change. If one party wishes to stop or restrict an activity of another party on the grounds that it causes risk to them or to others, it’s up to the accuser to show that the risk is real and significant. It’s also up to the accuser to show that the change they propose is both necessary and beneficial. And the cost effectiveness of any such change must be taken into account. For it isn’t reasonable to expect anyone to spend more on reducing a risk, than the gain which results to those whose exposure to the risk is reduced.
However, many environmentalists, politicians and regulators favour a stronger form of the principle. In its strong form, it can be used to regulate or prohibit any action that has actual or perceived risks, even if those risks cannot, or cannot yet, be accurately quantified. Further, the burden of proof is inverted, so that the proponent of an activity must prove that it is harmless. And the costs of preventative action are not to be taken into consideration. Thus the strong form of the precautionary principle is, simply put, a power grab and a tool for tyranny. A long, long way from “First, do no harm.”
A history of corruption
The perversion of the precautionary principle into an excuse for tyranny began in the early 1980s. And it was the United Nations that did it. The World Charter for Nature, a 1982 UN resolution, included an extreme formulation of the precautionary principle. It stated: “Activities which might have an impact on nature shall be controlled,” and “where potential adverse effects are not fully understood, the activities should not proceed.” The Charter was passed by 111 votes to 1, with 18 abstentions. The USA was the only country voting against.
Fast forward a decade, to the Rio Declaration of 1992. Principle 15 states: “In order to protect the environment, the precautionary approach shall be widely applied by States according to their capabilities. Where there are threats of serious or irreversible damage, lack of full scientific certainty shall not be used as a reason for postponing cost-effective measures to prevent environmental degradation.”
At first sight, this looks like a walk back towards the weak form of the principle. But there’s a catch; and a big one. If you don’t have a high degree of scientific certainty about the size and the likelihood of a problem, how can you assess whether or not a proposed counter-measure is cost-effective? You might (or might not) be able to estimate the costs of the measure accurately; but without high scientific certainty, you can’t accurately estimate the benefits to compare them with! And so, sneakily, the activists bypassed the cost effectiveness condition that was supposed to be built into the principle. The world’s politicians bought it; and they sold us all down the Rio.
Then there was the much touted Wingspread Declaration of 1998. This came out of a conference of academics, politicians and activists, convened by an organization, only formed in 1994, called the Science and Environmental Health Network. Whose mission statement reads: “In service to communities, the Earth and future generations, the Science & Environmental Health Network forges Science, Ethics and Law into tools for Action.” An activist organization, no?
Here’s how they re-defined the principle: “When an activity raises threats of harm to human health or the environment, precautionary measures should be taken even if some cause and effect relationships are not fully established scientifically. In this context the proponent of an activity, rather than the public, should bear the burden of proof.” We’re back to the strong form, aren’t we? And worse. For when they talk of “the public,” they don’t mean us ordinary people. What they mean is that government shouldn’t have to bear the burden of proving its accusations; so we’re all guilty until proven innocent. Clever about-face, eh?
By 2002, the UK’s Inter-Departmental Liaison Group on Risk Assessment had perverted the principle still further. They saw its purpose as “to create an impetus to take a decision notwithstanding scientific uncertainty about the nature and extent of the risk.” And they wanted to invoke the principle “even if the likelihood of harm is remote.” They said, too, that “the precautionary principle carries a general presumption that the burden of proof shifts away from the regulator having to demonstrate potential for harm towards the hazard creator having to demonstrate an acceptable level of safety.” And they misused an aphorism attributed to Carl Sagan, saying: “‘Absence of evidence of risk’ should never be confused with, or taken as, ‘evidence of absence of risk’.” Bureaucrats seeking more power, no?
What does all this add up to? First, the activists have inverted the burden of proof, and require the defendants (that’s us, who want to do things like heat our homes and drive our cars) to prove a negative. Proving a negative is often impossible. How, for example, would you prove there are no fairies at the bottom of your garden? Second, they want the judge to rule, and to find us guilty, before all the evidence has been heard. And third, even if there’s no evidence at all that our activity causes any harm to anyone, they wouldn’t accept that fact as evidence! In essence they have decreed, in contradiction to the norm of presumption of innocence, that absence of evidence of guilt is not evidence of absence of guilt. We’ve been had, haven’t we?
Post-normal science
Beginning in about 1993, an idea called “post-normal science” started to take root in academe. This claimed to be a new way to use the outputs of science, in situations where standard methods of risk and cost-benefit analysis were insufficient. These situations were described as: “facts uncertain, values in dispute, stakes high and decisions urgent.”
But what post-normal science actually is, is a hard question to answer. It describes itself as a “problem solving strategy.” It seeks to replace the hard edged objectivity of properly done science with something much woollier, that it calls “quality.” It seeks the involvement in the decision process of “all those who wish to participate in the resolution of the issue.” And through its concept of “extended facts,” it allows ideas which are not facts to be treated in the debate on an equal basis with facts.
In my view, post-normal science merely provides a way for glib, persuasive activists to direct policy debates towards outcomes which suit their agendas, even when the facts do not support those outcomes. It’s little different, either in intent or in effects, from the perversion of the precautionary principle into an activist tool. It’s not a form of science, but of nonscience. And it has been used to blur and to obfuscate the interface between science and policy.
Here are my own thoughts on the situations post-normal “science” claims to address. If facts are uncertain, you must put more effort into clarifying them. If values are in dispute, that increases the need for the decision to be, and to be seen to be, absolutely objective. For if not, those on the losing side of the debate will have good cause to become resentful. If stakes are high, that increases how much you should be willing to spend on making the decision as objective as possible. And if decisions are urgent, you must use the precautionary principle – properly. Look before you leap. First, do no harm. Don’t do anything that damages innocent people.
How to fix the problem
In my view, those that have perverted the precautionary principle, and have tried to discredit science and to substitute it by nonscience, have acted in bad faith. To fix this, we first need to restore the precautionary principle in the public understanding to its proper meaning, of “Look before you leap,” or “First, do no harm.”
Second, we must seek to compensate those who have been unjustly harmed by bad policies made as a result of these perversions. If we accept the idea of “polluter pays” – and we should – then why should we not also accept the idea of “politicker pays?” Should we not hold those, that have acted in bad faith in support of those policies, responsible for the effects of what they did to us? Should we not require each of them to compensate us for their share of the bad things they did to us? And if any of them have committed offences such as perjury, should we not be seeking to prosecute them too?
To sum up
Over the last 35 years or so, the precautionary principle, “Look before you leap,” has been perverted out of all recognition. It no longer tallies with our common sense ideas of risk. At the instigation of the United Nations and other activist groups, the principle has been re-cast into a strong form, which inverts the burden of proof and has become a tool for tyranny. There has also been a movement to obfuscate the interface between science and policy. These perversions have helped politicians to make environmental policies that have harmed all of us.
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the Precautionary Principle is what they dredge up when they have zero science to back up their rhetoric.
Always pretty much the last resort in their losing argument.
Absolutely right – there are numerous examples where environmentalists invoke the precautionary principle when rational risk assessment and objective cost-benefit analysis do not meet their preconceived notions. The precautionary principle is now applied is dangerously irrational and anti-science.
The city of Hyderabad affected severely [deaths & property loss] with 1908 September floods to river Musi that passes through the city. The ruler on the advice of Sir M. Viswaswarayya,a legendry Engineer, built two reservoirs, one on the river Musi [Osmansagar Lake] and another on its tributary Easa [Himayatsagar Lake]. Since 1930, these two reservoirs have been used for drinking water supply to Hyderabad [through gravity]. Later with the apathy of rulers the quantity and quality of water flowing in to these two lakes affected severely. The governments issued a GO111 in 1996 to protect the water in terms of quantity and quality flows in to these two reservoirs. Within a month time, the very same government violated GO111 and permitted to establish a polluting industry in the catchment area. Environmental groups approached the High Court. They gave favourable judgement to government. Then environmental groups approached the Supreme Court of India. After getting reports from three independent .institutions in India, ordered to close all the polluting industries in the catchment area and pronounced “precautionary principle” to protect the drinking water resources. Even with this judgement violations haven’t stopped but increasing day by day. In 2007 I filed a PIL in the High Court. Government submitted a memo ratifying the GO in toto but yet illegal activities did not stop. To provide shelter to violators, Police Department come forward to adapt them. After I questioned them, they withdrew their adaptation idea. Now water flows reduced drastically and pollution increased steeply. So, no rule of law applies against human greed!!! Government is interested to bring water from far away places to meet the demand at huge cost, depriving local water needs.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
By their ‘logic’, it would be advisable to simply arrest all those in high crime neighborhoods to prevent possible crime.
A very well thought out and argued article Neil. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Lock. The precautionary principle has been one of my favorite topics for a few decades, because it has been the final argument in every debate I have ever had with a warmist. After all of their other arguments have been refuted and found wanting, out comes the strong version of the Precautionary Principle as their last defense.
My line has been that the Precautionary Principle is self-contradictory, because using it in its strong form usually does great harm! The quintessential example is Europe’s refusal to by agricultural products from any nation that used DDT for any purpose, resulting in millions of needless malaria deaths. In this case, the use of the Precautionary Principle resulted in an evil that exceeds the death toll of the Third Reich, Communist Russia and China combined. That is a lot of evil.
The Precautionary Principle is not precautionary or a principle when used like it is today. As you say, Mr. Lock, it is a weapon of tyranny! Thank you for highlighting this deception. It is very important that people understand what is really happening when it is invoked.
Organic farming violates the precautionary principle since organic farms take a lot more land to grow the same amount of crops, resulting in more land being converted to croplands.
Over-reliance on pesticides and nitrogen-based fertilizers does have a consequence that is not immediate. visible. They show up years later, typically as pest resistance arises and fertilizer run-off leads to downstream eutrophication of water bodies, and both then can and do lead to real measurable harm. So much of China’s inland waterways now are dead or foul from eutrophication due to fertilizer run-off (in addition to industrial pollutions).
I’m not saying I disagree with you. But there is a balance and policy needs to address this “Problem of the Commons.” Our air and waterways are “common” resources, which we all share regardless of social or economic status. There is no sole or single ownership. And they are natural resources that all the biosphere plants and animals share.
Thus the “Problem of the Commons” is one commonly invoked, with good reason, from environmentalists. Failure to address the arguments of the “Problem of the Commons” is were this essay by Neil Lock falls short. It is a good essay that addresses the abuses of the The Precautionary Principle by the Alarmist Climate Pseudo scientist activists, but addressing the PotC arguments would strengthen it considerably.
Today’s environmental movement uses twin corollaries to foist a tyranny and socialist ideology on humanity.
The Precautionary Principle is actually the 2nd, lesser corollary. The first and principle proposition of environmentalism is “The Problem of the Commons.” That is, Air and water are the common resources of our planet. Real pollution must be addressed by policy and enforced by law. Real pollution are things like heavy metals contamination, waterway eutrophication due to fertilizer run-offs, dispersal of sulfur compounds into the air, selenium enrichment of irrigated soils, etc. These are real problems. These are the problems the EPA should be addressing with good science to policy, with sound Cost-Benefit analyses to support those policy actions.
The real crime the environmental movement and CC alarmists are committed is labeling Carbon dioxide as a pollutant. As long as they are allowed to commit that crime, then invocation of the Problem of the Commons and the Precautionary Principle is their ticket to an unchecked political agenda.
Resistance of pests can be dealt with using new pesticides.
Farmers don’t over use fertilizers. It costs too much money.
Fertilizer run-off comes almost entirely from urban and suburban lawns.
The only way to get rid of the problem of the commons is to get rid of the commons. Turning the commons over to the government always makes the problem worse, as your example of China demonstrates.
BTW, almost all of the problem with polluting of the so called commons, could be gotten rid of by bringing back riparian rights.
Plus the listeria and salmonella problems with the produce.
“Resistance of pests can be dealt with using new pesticides.”
New pesticides: only trivially true. Extremely difficult and costly in practice in the real world where safety and regulatory approval is required in the the most Trumpian of worlds.
This is not always true. First let me present food waste: FAO reported food waste as 30% for the globe; my estimate for India is more than 40%. Progressive farmers in India received national and international awards for achieving excellent yields over chemical input yields. As Indian government is more interested to support multinational companies chemical input technology under irrigation. Already several farming groups are getting excellent yields with good diet.
Recently government declared not to cultivate Bt-3 but companies are illegally selling the seed and creating panic among farmers and as well to governments. This is the power of multinational companies. They have least respect for law and their sole object is profit.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
I like your article – thanks for posting! I doubt, though, that there was ever a benign version of the precautionary principle. See:
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RiskandSafety.html
“The precautionary principle is a marvelous piece of rhetoric. It places the speaker on the side of the citizen—I am acting for your health—and portrays the opponents of the contemplated ban or regulation as indifferent or hostile to the public’s health. The rhetoric works in part because it assumes what actually should be proved, namely that the health effects of the regulation will be superior to the alternative. This comparison is made possible in the only possible way—by assuming that there are no health detriments from the proposed regulation.” – Aaron Wildavsky
In other work, my dad described the PP as one that insisted on trial without error, that is, no trials at all.
I like your article – thanks for posting! I doubt, though, that there was ever a benign version of the precautionary principle. See:
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/RiskandSafety.html
“The precautionary principle is a marvelous piece of rhetoric. It places the speaker on the side of the citizen—I am acting for your health—and portrays the opponents of the contemplated ban or regulation as indifferent or hostile to the public’s health. The rhetoric works in part because it assumes what actually should be proved, namely that the health effects of the regulation will be superior to the alternative. This comparison is made possible in the only possible way—by assuming that there are no health detriments from the proposed regulation.” – Aaron Wildavsky
In other work, my dad described the PP as one that insisted on trial without error, that is, no trials at all.
The Precautionary Principle should also always be used upon itself.
Indeed it should! The late Michael Crichton made the same observation. He was a severe critic of the PP, noting that no criticism of it could be too harsh. His remarks appear in the appendix to “State of Fear.”
If you mean to evaluate the costs and risks of the proposed fix, I agree emphatically. But if the expected cost of the fix is compared to the expected cost of the “crisis”, the crisis may be revealed as not so important. And the crisis mongers will have none of that.
strawman.
and totally misrepresents PNS.
D+
Typical Mosher, drive by insult without a hint of logic.
Somebody still reads Mosh’s comments? I thought most people here skipped over the content-free comments. 😉
What is PNS? Not found elsewhere in this thread. Not in Climate Audit acronym list. Dr. Mosher, if you want to be understood….
Post Normal Science
Dr. Mosher?
Clyde Dr. Mosher?
Just applying the precautionary principal. If I don’t know, assume the best…. : > )
This one stung, eh Mosh?
DJ Hawkins, you hit it on head with the PNS……ROFL
BAWH-HA-HA-HA!!!
The Mosh tosses in another turd grenade.
But on a plus, at least he acknowledge PNS exists to be totally misrepresented.
PNS, like its vampire-squid climate change spawn, needs a stake driven through its heart.
so, please represent PNS for us
BEST is the embodiment of PNS. Represent it PNS is what they do 24/7, 354.
354: BEST team takes a dozen days off each year so they can renew their scientists credentials before returning to their PNS.
(honestly a fat-finger mistake, but I thought I could make it humorous.)
“and totally misrepresents PNS.”
This would be a good time to represent PNS.
During the last ice age [CO2] may have dropped below 200 ppm, a level at which plants are very sensitive to drought and just above the level (150 ppm) where they die. Eighty to ninety per cent of the last million years has been spent in an ice age. The earth has never experienced a runaway greenhouse effect despite [CO2] being above 1000 ppm for most of earth’s history and perhaps as high as 7000 ppm. There may have been two separate incidents of snowball earth conditions. — What does the precautionary principle say now about [CO2]?
Bingo! The comeback to an alarmist citing the precautionary principle is,
“Yes. Exactly. And nothing sucks like an ice age. If we can prevent the next ice age, we should do everything in our power to make sure it doesn’t happen, or at least delay it as much as possible.”
““Yes. Exactly. And nothing sucks like an ice age. If we can prevent the next ice age, we should do everything in our power to make sure it doesn’t happen, or at least delay it as much as possible.”
Hardly as an IA is 10’s thousands of years away.
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles.html
“The amount of solar radiation (insolation) in the Northern Hemisphere at 65° N seems to be related to occurrence of an ice age. Astronomical calculations show that 65° N summer insolation should increase gradually over the next 25,000 years.[24] A regime of eccentricity lower than the current value will last for about the next 100,000 years. Changes in northern hemisphere summer insolation will be dominated by changes in obliquity ε. No declines in 65° N summer insolation, sufficient to cause a glacial period, are expected in the next 50,000 years.”
“an IA is 10’s thousands of years away.”
Oh darn. tone says its thousands of years away……. (he must have used a climate model) ;-).
That is a SURE sign that it is imminent.
Everyone buy blankets !!
Toneb,
Total [pruned] what you wrote.
You can have no idea when the onset of the next IA will begin because:
1) it will be subtle and not recognizable for several centuries,
2) while we know IA’s end abruptly with Milankovitch Cycle timing to 65 deg NH insolation, the onset is much more obscure between which parameter: obliquity, eccentricity, or precession is the dominant parameter that brings on the NH glaciation.
The next IA onset could be within 500 years or out to the next 10,000 years. Any time in-between those at this point is as good as any other.
[The mods assume IA is Ice Age. .mod]
Sorry Mods.
I get carried away when I see someone present, with such an air of certainty, a climate event into the next 50,000 years.
“And nothing sucks like an ice age.”
Yet here we are, only just a tiny temperature rise out of the COLDEST period in 10,000 years, and people are panicking blindly about “global warming”!!
It really is totally crazy, wouldn’t you agree, tone??
The Earth has been cooling for the past 3000 years, with sun cycles 24-27 we can expect a new Grand Minimum. We are much closer to the end of the Holocene…
the “Precautionary Principle” was pervert from the start.
It never was for those involved to take precautionary steps “to avoid or to minimize risk of something bad happening”, which was just common sense, and already embedded in law all over the world as soon as law existed : you are not supposed to harm other people, their belongings, or even the cosmos (witchcraft, anyone?).
It was about imbuing the Government with the power to PREEMPTIVELY do whatever it wants, provided it can evoke some possibility of risk. That’s what make it so appealing for politicians.
Whenever you heard “Precautionary Principle” you know that some stupid hysteria is happening: banning GMO, fighting cellphones “waves” so that tin-fold hat wearer be happy (which they never will, anyway: what’s to expect from people wearing tin-fold hats?, mass slaughtering cattle because it mightsuffer from BSE (in UK, ~4000 cows diagnosed the year 4 millions were slaughtered) — a disease that kills roughly as much in a year as a single day of driving
You won’t find a single sensible use of the PP, except some common sense action that would have been supported by everyone even without the PP
Yes, this gets to the heart of it. There needs to be a standard for determining what constitutes a realistic risk. As it stands now we are very close to “the precautionary principle needs to be applied to any risk that can be imagined”.
Another way of looking at it is the way medical science treats risk. In health fields generally, It’s often the case that zero tolerance and strong measures provide the better course of action against things like viruses, many diseases and so on.
But this approach doesn’t work in the ennvironmental and natural world with things flying, resource development and so on. There is no such thing as ‘zero risk’ with regards to development, so one doesn’t stop drilling in Alaska because of small risks, the way someone might deal with a cancer or a virus.
Another example is the concept of ‘holy land’, which has been unconsciously adopted by many environmentalists. Their arguments against resource development are often very similar to religious ideas, ‘one can’t drill here or there because it might defile the land’ etc etc, ‘the risks are too great’ etc. What they often don’t see is that not everybody accepts the idea of land being ‘holy’ or needing some Kate kind of protecting to begin with. Religious arguments too often masquerade as scientific ones.
in medicine a set of numbers is generally kept from the population.. the number needed to treat (NNTT) and the number needed to harm (NNTH).
Say asprin is used, it’s mechanisms are widely known and it’s success for treating specific ailments is high, it has a low number to treat, meaning you give it to a person and it works – so number to treat is (guestimated) to be 1. 1 person gets it, 1 person benefits.. conversely something like prostate screening has a high number, you’ve got to undertake the test on many people for it to benefit just one – this is not good.
Number needed to harm is obviously the reverse, you want a really high number for this – so it can be given to a large population before harming one person.
It’d be nice to see rather than the precautionary principle used as a sledgehammer, those advocating it be asked to present their arguments in terms of NNTH and NNTT
If the precautionary principle were operative, you would need to join every religion and cult because: What if one of them is right? In particular, everyone must join at least one of the cults that demands you hand over all your wealth.
The simple version: You don’t pay a million dollars to insure a thousand dollar asset.
If you’re going to apply the precautionary principle, you have to accurately account for everything.
Example: Ever since I started keeping cats there have been no dragon attacks within ten blocks of my house. If you live within that area and have daughters you don’t want devoured, you should pay me a thousand dollars a year toward the upkeep of the cats.
Hear Hear! Well said
Hear Hear! Well said
On the precautionary principle we humans should properly have remained on four legs.
An excellent article.
I wish the term post-normal science would quit being used. The correct terminology is post-modern science. The former term was coined by post-modern scientists to avoid the negative stigma of that term. First rule in fighting against your opponent is to neutralize his framing of the argument.
Plus many.
and apart from endlessly raving about dirt on here. what else is peta’s pet peeve?
A: A concern, a wonderation, random thoughts, observations, snippets of Interweb, actual T-shirt buying etc etc about what actually is at the root of all this. The Very Root.
Totally reinforced from my purchase of a new VW recently. Its owners manual is unreadable because of all the safety warnings. Every paragraph of ‘instruction’ is bracketed by 2 paras of Safety Warning. The Owner’s Manual is itself, a Safety Hazard.
Where I’m sat right now, paranoid about keeping Fire Doors open, letting all the expensive (this is the UK after all) heat out of the place. Lord help us, its next door to where the Pilgrim Fathers planned their little excursion and hasn’t burned in all the time since. Why is it expected to burn any second from now?
So:
What sort of people are paranoid – Depressed People
What’s depressing them?
I initially thought it must be booze. Lets face it, climate alarmism is a ‘western thing’ and folks in the ‘west’ consume vastly more alcohol than folks from the ‘east’
But there are perfectly valid experiments that refute that hypothesis. Certainly what was the USSR
So booze is not the universal depressant but may still be a contributing factor.
Likewise marijuana.
But what is used as a remedy for insomnia, what causes one to take ‘power naps’ in mid afternoon and why is coffee (power stimulant) usually taken after a ‘large meal’?
Carbohydrate. Glucose. Sugar in all its forms.
Just to fit ever so neatly and stop me going wildly off-topic, we read:
Just roughly, how long ago was it when saturated fat in our diets was demonised, along with animal protein?
Late sixties ~ ish? And how long for that ‘research’ to gain traction, to grow legs as it were?
Ah but you say, processed starch (carbohydrates) are ‘staples foods’. We’ve been eating them for 10 millenia+
But that’s hardly long enough for us to properly evolve to really metabolise that stuff – as proper herbivores can.
Now is it?
Ah but you say, we cannot all eat the (imagined) Hunter Gatherer diet, there’s too many of us.
Hammer meet Nail
Therefore, we are current;y in a time of truly epic mass starvation – starting from shortly after a (the) midwife slaps our arse and we get a plastic dummy. loaded with fake milk, stuffed into our faces.
Our brains are being starved from that moment onwards. Then we go onto a diet that is epically short of animal protein and has fat replaced by sugar. An addictive, psychoactive depressant chemical.
Is it not arguable that Malthus’ prediction is actually, right here and mow, playing out? We are actually starving. We are starving ourselves of (saturated) fat and animal protein.
Even worse, the actual damage to our brains and our thinking leads us to believe that eating ever more sugar is actually a remedy for what are imagined problems.
Positive feedback anyone?
Back to the laboratory – laboratory rats and how they eat each other when there are too many put into one cage.
Ha you say, people don’t eat each other. (Soylent Green not quite yet)
Oh yeah.
What do lawyers do?
Is it really a coincidence that the country in this world with the greatest number of obese & diabetic people also has the greatest number of lawyers (per capita)
Lots to think about innit.
But you can’t be bothered can you.
The sugar monster says it wants feeding and the booze monster tells you to just go down the pub and chill.
Or, wait patiently in line outside the turkey packing plant in November or December. Just the same.
“Its owners manual is unreadable because of all the safety warnings.”
That’s not the PP at work.. That’s the tort bar perverting our legal system such that companies must go to extreme contortions to limit liability exposure in a legal environment controlled by tort-bar lawyers turned politician. (like Senator Pocahontas Warren).
“Ah but you say, processed starch (carbohydrates) are ‘staples foods’. We’ve been eating them for 10 millenia”
You age remarkably well! Alas, I have not been eating carbohydrates for 10 millenia.
“But that’s hardly long enough for us to properly evolve to really metabolise that stuff – as proper herbivores can.”
So how long will it take for you to evolve to metabolize cellulose? I suspect there is no “we”, my evolution might not be proceeding at the same speed as your evolution.
Here is a precautionary tale:
Climate Skeptics are Modern Day Churchills
The Britains, having ignored the warnings of Churchill for years, eventually got punched in the face by reality, and they were completely unprepared. They almost lost a vast majority of their army at Dunkirk, a defeat that was followed up by Britain losing their “invincible” Pacific stronghold Singapore. What contribution did the Left-Wing Labor Party make to the struggling nascent war effort? The publically attacked Churchill as a “Dictator indistinguishable from Hitler.” The Left-Wing Labor Party, of course, had no answer, they just saw the political opportunity in Churchill’s struggles. Today, we are building Wind and Solar Farms in preparation for continued warming during one of the coldest winters on record, and ice core data demonstrate that the greatest risk facing society is the inevitable ice age, not CAGW.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/climate-skeptics-are-modern-day-churchills/
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“The publically attacked Churchill as a “Dictator indistinguishable from Hitler.””
In much the same way as Trump is being relentlessly attacked by the left now.
As a Brit, I was as horrified as anyone else when the final candidates for the presidency were him and Clinton but when he was elected, I figured he couldn’t be any worse than her.
However, as far as I’m concerned, so far, Trump has covered himself in glory and I’m a convert.
There is nothing worse than a leader who won’t make decisions and, right or wrong, Trump makes them in the full knowledge that cleaning up any fall out is no worse than clearing up the fall out of indecision.
In Britain’s time of need, the country needed a warrior as a leader, which Churchill was. In America’s time of need, it needs a businessman to get it out the mess career politicians created, and I now believe Trump is that man. The world will be a better place for his intervention.
Yep, when Hitler was seeking oil fields, Churchill wasn’t building wind and solar farms.
That was the real giveaway, right there. When voting patterns are getting up into Saddam Hussein-esque territory, you know something is up.
Induce enough fear and anything could be a risk. Pick a risk. Spend enough resources over enough time and use fear as a primal motivator and the risk will be perceived as real and precautions/actions must be taken against it. The fear can grow exponentially from there. From the Salem witch trials to McCarthy’s Red Scare – or even, heaven forbid, global scorching.
tim- this is what has been taught at berkeley, the cradle of the activist ‘industry’ that has replaced manufacturing as the main ‘business’ of the usa.
i watched it spread. of interest to me was that they won all the arguments because they were based on the concept of ‘rights’ (no matter how tenuous that may have been). in the process the concept has been deformed into a blank check on the property of others.
and that’s one lesson the losers never seem to have learned. so they continue to lose.
the winning argument is ‘my mofo rights’; not a debate.
McCarthy wasn’t wrong. He just didn’t communicate effectively.
A Problem occurs when the Precautionary Principle is applied to the Solutions of CAGW as they are now being used.
There is a CHANCE – the percent never clearly stated! – that the earth’s global average temperature will increase slightly – how little an increase that slightly is is never clearly stated! – due in part to man’s release of carbon dioxide gasses into the atmosphere. There is a CHANCE – percent never clearly stated – that severely restricting the release of some part – what part never clearly stated – of this CO2 may – percent never clearly stated – reduce the slight increase of the temperature at some time in the future – that indefinite future year never clearly stated.
But.
The BENEFITS of using the energy freed by using this CO2 are NEVER released.
The BENEFITS of the added CO2 into the atmosphere are never released.
The BENEFITS of a slightly warmer global average temperature are never released.
The HARM caused to 7 billions of innocent people caused by NOT USING the available energy due to fear of potential future global warming is 100% guaranteed to occur for 85 years.
In addition, there is a 100% Guaranteed Chance of death to hundreds of millions of innocent people from starvation, hunger, thirst, disease and parasites in today’s world for 85 years.
Quite so. This point is made most eloquently in Alex Epstein’s “The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.”
Precautionary principle combined with linear no-threshold model could give overzealous environmental agencies reason to regulate many innocuous substances, including CO2.
On the precautionary principle, we should stop a-borting, recycling millions of viable human lives annually, because catastrophic anthropogenic global warming may cause global infertility within a decade.
Or, on the precautionary principle, we should stop aborting millions of human lives because one of those lives could grow up to be a world changing genius. Prove to me, post moderns, that there is no genius amongst them.
As Eric’s previous article pointed out, this week “precaurionary principle” amounts to Pascal’s religious wager on the existence of God, heaven and hell. Far from the realm of science:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/02/28/warren-buffet-climate-change-and-pascals-wager/
This issue bears a similarity to Pascal’s Wager on the Existence of God. Pascal, it may be recalled, argued that if there were only a tiny probability that God truly existed, it made sense to behave as if He did because the rewards could be infinite whereas the lack of belief risked eternal misery.
Please ignore “week” in the first sentence – added randomly by iPhone spellchecker.
I agree that we are talking about a perversion of Pascal’s Wager. As presented, I do believe that Pascal’s Wager refers to a personal choice. Today’s perversion makes it a collective choice, which is why it is tantamount to a power grab.
Pascal’s wager must surely have been intended as a joke. How can anyone decide to believe in God, or not? You can believe, or not believe, and your belief or non-belief may change over time consequent on your experiences and indoctrination, but deciding doesn’t have any place in those changes. I could decide to pretend to believe in god and do all the right things like going to church regularly, taking communion, praying, picketing outside abortion clinics, and so on and so on, but would any of that actually make me a believer? If god existed, as advertised by mainstream christianity, he would be able to see my innermost thoughts, see through my hypocrisy, and quite possibly decide to zap me with a judicious lightning bolt for my sins.
Or she.
Pascal’s Wager pertains to behavior. Certain of the scripture seems to require only a profession of belief presumably that’s all that is needed to secure eternal happiness.
The wager presumes upon this feature of belief; the outward profession, not the inward holding. There is no inward holding nor can there be in a god that cannot be described or defined, is transcendental, exists outside of time and space, is so large he fills the universe yet so small he fits in your heart.
So you go with the outward profession. Say a few words, instant salvation! My atheist father can, and does, nevertheless say the Lord’s Prayer — just in case!
Terry Pratchett had a similar comment about “Pascal’s Wager”. When the “wagee”(?) woke up after death, he found himself surrounded by Discworld gods, all armed with clubs, and saying “And THIS is what we think about smartasses…”
Pascal”s Wager works if the cost of being virtuous (e.g. God exists) is small and has no disbenefits. If the cost of virtue (e.g. Green virtue signaling) is exceedingly high, then Pascal’s Wager collapses.
WUWT covered PP in 2016:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/07/11/nassim-nicholas-taleb-looks-at-the-risks-threatening-humanity/
See my comment on July 11, 2016 at 10:49 pm
To summarize, risk is the product of probability and loss. If the probability of occurrence approaches zero and the consequence of the event (loss) approaches infinity, you have the zero x infinity quandary. The product is indeterminate, but L’Hôpital’s Rule gives the answer as zero risk.
http://www.ditutor.com/lhopital/lhpital_rule.html
PP collapses. As I noted in 2016, this is called the quagmire of marginal statistics.
I saw this happen in fisheries, now it is guilty until proven innocent —- “…human actions would be considered harmful unless proven otherwise.” (Restrepo et al., 1999; also Dayton, 1998). My impression is that it was applied to situations where essentially trial and error seemed the only choice. The justification became that humans were the only part that can be controlled, that is, before we thought we could control climate. Actually controlling climate is a very old idea, more recently “mainstream.”
Restrepo, V. R., P. M. Mace and F. M Serchuk. 1999. The precautionary approach: a new paradigm or business as usual? pp. 61-70, IN, Our Living Oceans, Report on the status of U. S. living marine resources. NOAA Technical Memorandum. NMFS-F/SPO-41.
Dayton, P. K. 1998. Reversal of the burden of proof in fisheries management. Science. 279:821-822.