Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Willie Soon & Breitbart – Bill Nye wants to “engage everybody”, get everyone on board his global warming action bandwagon by punishing “hillbillies” and imposing economic sanctions on red states which don’t comply with his climate demands.
Bill Nye: Blue States Will ‘Impose Economic Sanctions’ Against Climate Change-Denying States
… Nye said, “Only 40 percent of people in the U.S. think that Congress should be addressing this and that’s because certain conservative groups, especially from the fossil fuel industry, have been very successful in introducing the idea that scientific uncertainty, plus or minus two percent, is the same as plus or minus 100 percent.”
He continued, “There’s a lot of emphasis from conservatives on what are writ-large states rights. Just watch out, conservatives, if states rights include California, Illinois, New York — these places that, where people voted in a progressive fashion — watch out if all those places start to address climate change and then impose economic sanctions, either overtly or by default, on places that have not embraced the work that needs to be done. Then you’ll end up with this states rights working the other way.”
He added, “We’ve got to remind people that we’re all in this together. The people I think about all the time are what are eloquently stated as the hillbillies. We want to engage everybody. Not working to address climate change is in no one’s best interest. It is not in the best interest, especially of your children and grandchildren. …
Read more (includes a video): http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/12/29/bill-nye-blue-states-will-impose-economic-sanctions-climate-change-denying-states/
In the video Bill Nye also said “we’ve got to get everybody working together, the same way people were working together in world war 2“. Bill Nye’s plan for getting people to work together, for achieving unity, is to call people names and threaten economic war against states which don’t embrace his policy recommendations.
My question – if Bill Nye really believes renewables are cheaper and more reliable than fossil fuels, why does he feel the need to make economic threats and call people names?
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That sounds like a class action dare.
Yes, and from a man who’s proven to be a verifiable idiot. If Nye really understood the true uncertainties involved in climate modeling, he’d jump in front of a Mack truck at freeway speeds.
On the other hand, at least level-headed people know who the self-proclaimed enemy is.
Mr Nye had Better be careful or his suggestion could backfire having Red States impose sanctions on blue states.
Until Bill Nye, the science lie, admits he had to forge the Al Gore video because he was too incompetent to design an experiment to demonstrate the effect he needs to STFU.
He is a TV children’s clown, who has minimal understanding of science and NO INTEGRITY.
Unfortunately, Nye has credibility with many of the under-informed. I really don’t understand why. The few times I’ve seen him up against a “skeptic,” though, he seems such a clown and buffoon.
Send him to FROST BITE FALLS Minnesota and have BULLWINKLE pull a rabbit out of his hat—-out comes a POLAR BEAR that bites his head off.
Bill Nye’s comments violate significant ethics and civil law violations. If he is a Mechanical Engineer, as he claims, perhaps he applied/holds a Professional Engineer’s License in some jurisdiction. If so, he can be brought up on these comments and stripped of his PE. Does anyone know his professional status ( if any ) in any of the jurisdictions he has a residence in?
I see no evidence that the Big Lie Guy is a PE or that he even took the EIT.
Carbon Bigfoot, He may have majored in Mechanical Engineering but, from what I can tell reading his out-bursts, he took the TV job teaching his version of science to school kids because no one would hire him as an ME.
Bryan A: Considering many blue states get power and oil and gas from red states, it’s probably a foolish thing to do. Since blue states oppose fracking, they have to buy from outside their states. How cold can their citizens stand and can they walk to work every day, assuming there’s work to walk to.
Sheri, they oppose fracking, as well as drilling and mining of any kind.
By this definition from WIKI the great and powerful
By this very definition, Bill Nye is preaching Fascism
Jeezers!…there’s sure a lot of negative comments about Bill Nye, here–undoubtedly derived from a bunch of “Republican brain”, ignorant, gun-nut hillbillies, “triggered” by Bill’s tastefully understated, WASP-snappy, goofy-dork, “dog-whistle” bow-tie! So what else is new, right?
And let me just say straight out in Bill’s defense that, unlike everyone he knows, Bill does not regard pushin’ the Gaia-hustle into the end-zone for a win, as the key to achieving the hive’s ever-green, green-washed, dystopian dreams–a divided world in which us expendable, coolie-trash, herdling-nobodies are cast into a cull-crazy, gulag-normative, Darwinian hell-hole, over which our newly installed Philosopher-Kings, perched on a higher-plane of existence, can behold our desperate, grinding, daily death-struggles, even as they stuff their ravenous pie-holes with pop-corn, and where our “Golden Betters” are further free to strut about on the world stage, in their spit-shined, Cheka-chic jack-boots and boss everyone around and stomp on human faces forever. No!–Bill may run with the wrong crowd, but that’s just not him!
And is it just moi, or does anybody else think that Bill looks like a low-bid, whiteboy-model E. B. E., designed by a committee of alien-invader, priviliged-pale-face, mutant geekballs, currently failin’ his beta-test?
If he has read the Constitution, which I doubt, he would understand that one state cannot impose economic sanctions on another state. Full stop. This guy deserves to be sent to Venezuela where he can be happy.
mike December 31, 2017 at 9:48 am
“And is it just moi, or does anybody else think that Bill looks like a low-bid, whiteboy-model E. B. E., designed by a committee of alien-invader, priviliged-pale-face, mutant geekballs, currently failin’ his beta-test?
I thought that with a wig and a broom, he looks like the wicked witch of the west.
Carbon BIgfoot,
I don’t know abot a PE, but according to Wikipedia, he…
Carbon BIgfoot,
Also according to Wikipedia,
Maybe that’s why he spends so much time seeking attention.
I think someone should send him a copy of the new tax legislation approved by the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President Trump. I think the Red States representatives and senators did a pretty good job of screwing the high tax blue states.
“received an honorary doctor of pedagogy degree from Lehigh University”
… and then only as a replacement for Neil deGrasse Tyson
“Until Bill Nye, the science lie, admits he had to forge the Al Gore video because he was too incompetent to design an experiment to demonstrate the effect he needs to STFU. ”
Incidentally, if you feed 100% CO2 into MODTRAN it shows you that the infrared spectrum is very different from that of a few percent or less. Thus, the result would not have been representative of the atmosphere even if the experiment had been properly conducted.
Bill is long overdue for a lengthy tout of The Pit Of Misery.
Well Bill, you go right ahead and declare war on Climate Skeptics – that’s your right. Just don’t think it is your right to try and persuade everyone else to follow you.
Cheers
Roger
http://www.thedemiseofchristchurch.com
Why is it not his “right to try and persuade everyone else to follow” him? It’s a free country and he clearly has that right.
I don’t think he’ll be successful but he, and everyone else, has the right to try to persuade.
As long as he’s not trying to convince people to over throw the government, he can try to persuade people to do anything he wants.
Sounds like treason to me , calling for a “War between the States”.
The last time your country had a civil war was in the 1860’s about another emotive issue; slavery. If this idiot Nye, thinks that causing division between individual States is going to make his fiction become fact he is mistaken. As for “economic sanctions” against those States that continue to frack and use oil products, he is equally deluded, because those States have reliable and cheap energy and consequently cheaper products and services.
From an economic standpoint, the countries (or states) that impose tariffs are always hurt worse than the countries (or states) that have the tariffs imposed on them.
It’s a myth that is continually perpetuated that the American Civil War was fought over slavery. While people in the north mostly thought it was wrong to enslave another, they had no love of the Africans that were brought here. They held them in only slightly higher regard than the Native Americans. If you want to know what the war was about, it was about what all wars are about… Money and power.
The War Between the States(Civil War) was a war about whether or not a state had a right to secede. Pres. Lincoln said or implied that many time. Slavery was side issue. The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t even include the Union states, it was a weapon against the South. Lincoln was a deep thinker and a very smart politician and tactician. It was all mainly about maintaining the Union.
As I said “money and POWER”
The “Union” was an excuse. It would have made little to no difference if the south split off except in who had control.
There is nothing in the constitution that denies states the right to secede.
Most people at the time thought that states had the right to secede.
The losers in the civil war were forced to reapply to reapply for admission to the union. If secession were illegal, there would have been no need to re-admit the southern states.
Or possibly sedition.
Sedition is trying to overthrow the current government, something the southern states were not trying to do.
That’s not sedition it’s treason.
Last time I looked these weather worriers have been waging economic war on their own people. High energy prices create poverty. People who live in poverty invariably vote for handouts.
Which is why liberals favor policies that create poverty.
Well, state-to-state tariffs don’t exist in the US due to fair commerce laws. If the government degrades to the point where those laws are rolled back, the US will no longer be united, and not worth living in.
Well I happened to be in Barnes & Noble book store a couple of hours ago, looking for a book which has not yet been written; but will be, and in the ” Science ” section at B&N they mostly have rubbish books as far as Physics goes; more like Science Fiction, but it was near the Camera books that already are written, and lo and behold, there prominently displayed in the “Science ” section was this book ” The War on Science ” by some unknown author, with a front cover endorsement by none other than Ultra- High Temperature CO2 expert extra-ordinaire, Bill Nye !
I dropped it like a 2800 K light bulb, before my skin got contaminated, so I didn’t even get to see the front page with maybe the Library of Congress number in there.
If your fake news book gets a Library of Congress number, does that qualify as l=ye eng to Congress ??
G
why does he sound like Neville Chamberline?
Why are Bill’s favorite states the same states that can not pay their bills?
For the generally agreed on approximate global mean surface temperature of 288K, the corresponding black body radiation spectrum would have 98% of its energy in the 5 micron to 80 micron spectral range, peaking around 10 microns wavelength, and with a total emittance of about 390Wm^-2. which is about 30% of the mean TOA TSI fro the sun.
Does anybody know if that rather powerful earth surface emitted radiant energy has any biological or chemical or physical effect on ANY living organism, such that the organism can detect such radiation with its natural senses; or be directly affected by that radiation in ANY direct way ??
I’m fairly sure it has NO interaction with human bodies; but what about other organisms, which might be affected by or able to sense such radiation ??
G
Does anybody know
“such that the organism can detect such radiation with its natural senses;”
Trivially easy; the problem is recognizing that the warmth you feel on your face was indeed emitted from nearby surfaces. One demonstration of this is opening your freezer door (but stand a few feet away so the cold air does not immediately impinge upon you); you immediately feel the cold on your face; but cold does not radiate! Only heat radiates. What happens is that the cold surface is radiating much less than the surrounding area, and you sense this *absence* of heat as cold.
A visual metaphor is that everything in the room is “glowing” at room temperature, but there’s one spot that is dark. Even with your eyes closed you can easily locate that cold spot just by facing it.
Certain snakes have considerably enhanced heat sensing organs.
Did you know that both Al Gore and Bill Nye were born in Washington, D, C? I think that gives a very strong indication that there is something that’s just a bit scary both in the air and in the water in that strange little foreign country.
Infected with beltway fever at birth. OMG
Both, also it seems have concluded that they couldn’t make a go at doing science fiction so they made it a religion and are now attempting to foist that upon us in attempt to further their fortunes.
They are merely following in the footsteps of other well known charlatans.
Billy Nye like Al Gore is special
He can talk about Climate Change all he wants and then turnaround and maintain 3 residences.
“Since 2014, Nye has divided his time between the Encino neighborhood of Los Angeles and the Chelsea district of Manhattan,[80] though he has also owned a house on Mercer Island near Seattle”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye
We do not have to do a thing. Bill Nye will make such an utter buffoon of himself that no one will listen to him in 10 or 15 years. He’ll be alone.
Mercer Island is exclusively for the very well-heeled. The snake oil business ain’t what it used to be.
“…no one will listen to him in 10 or 15 years.”
That’s the problem.
bill nye. carbon footprint huge. wants the rest of us to shrink our. carbon footprint.
climate glutton. wants us to take less so he can take more. like the preacher preaching against sex. while secretly having it off with the congregation. or wait. was that al gore.
And likely dead.
No one listens to him now.
Why 10 or 15 years? We’ve had 60? years of “disastrous” global warming and I can’t tell the difference. It’s -31C where Iive today. -22F . The 60’s were definitely a bit colder, but just marginally. And this is better! Much, much better!
Aphan, I agree. My first thoughts when I saw the headline were “why do any of us care what Nye says?”.
He’s a totally loose cannon who damages their reasonable credibility with every escapade.
That movie ” A Civil Action” was on our loval TV last night and Bill Nye’s mental capacity being adversely by polluted water is not as unreasonable as Mr Nye might suggest.
That said a bloke named Bill Nye eally should not go around calling climate skeptics “hillbillies” because the natural response is that only a “NyeBilly” would say that. Sounds a bit dumb to me, almost like there are a few biochemical screws loose or missing somewhere.
We are not Hillbillies. Hillary said we were Deplorables from flyover country.
Funny that he keeps losing debates to “hillbillies”.
You mad, Bill ? As a hatter, I would say.
His comment about “Progressive voters” betrays his whle Socialist-activist world view. Typical of the non-working class.
Are you saying that Bill Nye is a mad hatter?
I used to be in Fly-over country, and in fact learned to fly over it, and as I recall it s flat as a pancake, and if you drive through the Ozarks before they cur the grass on the freeway, you won’t see any mountains.
I think there is a place called Taum Sauk or something akin to that, which is the highest point in Harry Truman country. I believe it even has a pumped storage power plant on top of it, and is at least one hundred meters above mean sea level. I’m sure I never ever went there. As I recall, Lake of The Ozarks is actually a very nice place to recreate. although I never ever got to fish there. One of the things I stupidly missed doing in MO.
G
george, you are thinking of Kansas and Oklahoma. The Ozarks have hills that go up to 5 and 6 thousand feet above sea level.
Ristvan, I assume what you call ‘flyover country’ is the same as the “Rust Belt”. That Hillary doubled down on that sneering dismissal of that part of the USA (that was for a century or so its very engine room) by referring to its inhabitants as ‘deplorables’ explains completely to this observer from the other side of the planet just why she lost the election and how an outsider like Donald Trum won it.
Over a year down the track, the sanctimonious, leftard msm still just do not seem to get it that they are the reason Mr Trump is POTUS and that they are the Harvey Weinsteins of the public discourse.
There is a difference. Al Gore doesn’t believe in climate change any more than he believes in unicorns. He makes money from climate change as other charlatans have made money peddling snake oil. He puts on a big show, because it draws the suckers.
Gore and the olther climate change profiteers are trying to engineer a new kind of economy in which they can create profits via government mandate. This isn’t new, the current tax and federal codes, and the countless pages they contain are the result of limiting competition; cementing the positions of the big players, and preventing new players from rising up. But Gore and his players hope to shift control of the energy market from the current team over to his team. They can’t hope to do this by competing directly in the open market, so they do it through legislation and regulation.
But Nye is not a businessman like Gore, Bill Nye is a believer. I can’t fault Gore with his attampts to enrich himself and his friends, that’s what business people do. But Bill Nye is a tool. The Islamic fundamentalists responsible for terror attacks are businessmen like Gore, they benefit economically from what they do. But the poor fools who pull the triggers or blow themselves up are tools like Nye.
This was actually very insightful and enlightening. Never thought Gores motives would be to shift control from companies to his team, but now it seems obvious. Thanks.
JPGuthrie’s post sounds just like 97 hammers striking 97 nails right on the head.
Building a wall comes to ihd
mind
Deplorable hillbillies: you know how them people are! Roll eyes. Way to go to get folks working together. The green slime must be really feeling behind the 8 ball
Deplorable hillbillies is a widespread idea in the MSM, academia and the left-leaning “intelligentsia”, but they tend not to say it directly, but a programme this morning on the BBC World Service was discussing this very issue. They won’t say so directly but are clearly very frustrated that these hillbillies get to vote.
This deplorable redneck is also familiar with the history and practice of democracy, from Aristotle’s Politics IV (Bekker No.) 1294be to the post-modern Tyranny of the Minority.
It’s funny because the “hillbillies” were to a large extent the hard-working, independent & moral people that built the US & kept it going for so long. Cultural marxists find them natural enemies and hence the derision.
It looks like Jerry Brown is trying to coax the hillbillies out of CA (and the beef/dairy industry) by unfairly taxing their agricultural livelihoods. They can buy land cheaper in the midwest, so if things get expensive to get in CA they can blame it on the hill folk he drove east.
Here is some hillbilly humor and a song for y’all that gives a fitting review of Bill’s show.
Heee Hawww
Bill Nye the Not Very Bright Guy. The Commerce Clause of the US Constitution prohibits one state imposing economic “sanctions” on another. But it doesn’t prohibit them from doing it to themselves, which they are with the RGGI and mad-hatter renewables mandates.
We are blessed to have enemies such as this.
Exactly right.
It’s these same people that want to get rid of the Electoral College system too. Seems they are not really fans of the US Constitution, unless of course someone disagrees with them; then they scream “Free speech!”
I’ve lost track of the number of liberals, when someone criticizes something they have said, start to scream about how the constitution gives them the right to speak their minds.
Of course the first amendment is only a restriction on government. Your employer has every right to fire you if you say something that embarrasses the company.
If you want to get rid of the electoral college system for electing a president, where the sovereign States choose a President, instead of a one man one vote democracy vote (USA is a Republic, and the Constitution says it guarantees to EVERY State a Republican form of Government, then you would also have to get rid of the US Senate, where once again you don’t have a one man one vote choice. The smallest State (izzat Alaska or Montana) gets exactly the same number of Senators as the largest States, New York, Califonia, Texas, etc.
Alaskans would prefer to not be told how to run their place by the people in Rhode Island, that will fit into 30 different non overlapping places in one single park in Alaska (ANWR).
I can accept a Bill Nye for simply being just plain ignorant about EM Radiation Physics, but the alternative explanation for his famous experiment, would seem to be flat out lying to the American People and Media.
Ignorance is not a disease; we were all born with it, but deliberately concocting a fake experiment that purports to show how CO2 absorbs long wave EM radiation as emitted by the condensed Earth, but doing it with an EM radiation source that simply is nowhere to be found anywhere in the earth’s climate system, that is ten times the Temperature of any real earth average Temperature, and 10,000 times the radiant emittance of a real earth source, is a bit much to simply gloss over, as a simple mistake.
G
Nye is useful socialist/Marxist idiot.
Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.
– William F. Buckley
george e. smith December 30, 2017 at 9:52 pm
“… then you would also have to get rid of the US Senate, where once again you don’t have a one man one vote choice. The smallest State (izzat Alaska or Montana) gets exactly the same number of Senators as the largest States, New York, Califonia, Texas, etc”
Invalid argument as originally Senators were appointed by state legislatures to represent their State in the federal government not individuals. Individual representation is reserved to the House of Reps. This was changed by the 17th Amendment to a direct election of Senators, which now allows one man two votes, one for the Congressperson and one for the Senator.
But this is off topic so I won’t go further.
Tom
“I won’t go further”
Good you embarrassed yourself enough already, read what George wrote.
Bob boder December 31, 2017 at 8:47 am
Tom
“I won’t go further”
Good you embarrassed yourself enough already, read what George wrote.
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Perhaps we simply interpret things we read differently. You would you so kind as to identify what you think I misread in George’s comments and how it applies to what I posted.
Awesome! No more domestic oil or natural gas for CA … from those pesky RED States. Uh, yeah … Bill Nye the not so bright guy. I am certain that Silicon Valley can operate 100% on solar … yep. Not too bright
They could throw in some of those wind turbines too. Then they might be able to operate a couple of days a month.
Ha! The price of an iPhone would crack the $20k threshold. But the Marketing Dept. will make you feeeeeel really kewwwl for spending “3 months salary” on a phone that lets you “look like” your favorite emoji.
Well, it seems as though the laws of physics aren’t the only laws he’s ignorant of.
He’s a true progressive, blazing a new trail for the party.
If his trail should lead over a cliff then trust the government to break the fall.
Nye’s not even a scientist. He just plays one on TV.
If you ever see him in a debate you can tell right away that he’s not even very bright. Basically he’s one notch above a dunce, and to make that clear he really should be wearing a dunce cap when he debates skeptics.
The thing is……. people with a mental age of 12 or under, actually “believe” him.
This is strange to me, since I’ve known hundreds of mechanical engineers and they are almost all very bright individuals.
I suspect that the mechanical engineers that you know, are the ones who actually managed to find jobs in their specialty.
Go figure!
I didn’t know that about Dolph. (Never heard of Dexter.)
But I did know about the dolt.
Dexter … BS, MS, PhD … at USC. High School Valedictorian and brightest mathematics student … Pacifica HS, Garden Grove
Dexter is a LEGIT intellect! … the guy on the left is just a creepy old man that I wouldn’t let anywhere NEAR small children
Ditto to that, if I found him anywhere near my grañdsons he wouldn’t walk away.
I had no idea about dolph, go figure. He played the right hand and went where the money was, acting.
Bill Nye, the pencil-necked geek, reminds me of Beaky Buzzard.
+100
Can any of the graphics wizbangs here put a bowtie on that buz?
Not wanting to nit pick, but a scientist is someone who “does science”, not just studies it. I would also say that Michael Mann, for instance, is not a scientist, because what he does is not science. In fact, it is anti-science!
I don’t take that as a “nitpick”.
Of the three, the one with the least background to understand “Science” is the one called “The Science Guy”.
Dolph’s chosen profession is to pretend, on camera, that he is a kick-ass army guy or boxer. But he’s not a “science” dummy.
(Again, I don’t know anything about Dexter other than the credentials presented here.)
Bill Nye? His chosen profession was to pretend the “Science Guy” on camera. He never was a “Mr. Wizard”.
Now his chosen profession is to use the “Science Guy” TV rep to promote his political “progressive” agenda.
(Kinda reminds me of those old commercials where someone says, “I’m not a Doctor, but I play one on TV.”
I always liked Beakman’s World much better than Bills show. He seemed more honest sincere and way funnier. It is the show my kids watched.
Gee, Nazis did this kind of stuff in WWII. Just saying…
Yeah. But our socialists are different. Right?
Yes. This time it is not national socialism, but international socialism. It makes a big difference on whom you gas.
From the behavior of the European socialists, I’m pretty sure that the Jews will be the first ones into the gas chambers again.
I doubt that. They may be running them
The European fascists have been welcoming the Muslims with open arms. Even finding unique and inventive ways to excuse their tendency to rape unescorted young women.
Resource Guy, it sounds like a threat. I feel threatened. Should I call my governor to prepare the Texas National Guard for such? This is over the top. This will not stand. Economic war is war, indeed.
I call upon Bill Nye to retract this threat. No good will come of this.
Um, “eloquently stated”????
Someone needs a dictionary. And tutoring on how to be a decent person. What a nasty thing to say.
As a hillbilly, I resent Bill Nye.
Bill looks a lot like Harold Camping. Harold wore regular ties and was more likable.
If Harold wore ties while camping he dressed better than most.
/sarcacity
Actually Bill Nye dresses more like someone in a group home who insists that Jesus is coming really soon.
Bill Nye, this former ‘Blue State’ Deplorable (ya, you could never guess from my credentials) will willingly take you on. In court, my expense until you lose. Bring it, bubba. You got nothing.
as the hillbillies………..I’m triggered
ristvan pwns Bill “Beaky Buzzard” Nye.
I thought that taking punitive economic war on other states was one of the faults that the Constitution was designed to prevent. Sounds like the Left is trying to bring back ancient wars.
Commerce Clause should prevent this nonsense.
It will. That AND the clause that requires Congress to approve compacts between states.
Which is why
communistsProgressives hate the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It so interferes with their Big Brother schemes.Great, another 10:10 style Malthusian misanthrope floats to the top of the cesspool.
Bill, it is far more likely that in the near future, broke-ass blue states, especially California and Illinois will be begging money from the rest of the states to bail them out for their debts, public pensions and unfunded promises they’ve made over the years to buy the votes of their Democratic voters. Won’t that be a kick in the ass? To borrow a phrase from Captain Kirk, Bill Nye, double dumb ass on you.
You know you’re losing an argument when you have to start using threats to make people come aboard. If the science was settled and there was unequivocal proof of cagw then we as a species would do whatever it takes to save the human race and the planet. But since there’s not nor likely ever will be they will just keep name calling bullying and threatening. Every year that passes erodes into their timeline of doom.
And B-nye has been doing this schtick for years now … threatening all us “science illiterates”. Ad hominem attacks are THE last refuge, er, first refuge for leftists.
” If the science was settled and there was unequivocal proof of cagw then ….”
They could just point at it.
The cost of anything depends on what you measure in and what you leave out of the calculation. This applies especially to constant assertions that solar and wind powered electricity are cheaper than nuclear and gas/coal fired power. Electricity prices in Germany and Denmark are more than 65% higher than those in nuclear powered France and are the highest in Europe. This policy is shifting industry out of Germany under “energiewende”.and has resulted in rising levels of energy poverty in this once rich country. This same problem is found in South Australia, where industry is fleeing costly CAGW induced reliance on solar and wind and curtailment of coal/gas powered electricity. The price of electricity in South Australia has increased significantly as ‘renewables’ ballooned and coal/gas was reduced. Electricity in South Australia is about 50% higher than in coal-dependent Queensland. South Australia now hangs off its cable to Victoria’s coal fired plants which themselves are under attack.
There is a clear price pattern evident here and it seems to involve a figure of 50%. THere is ceaseless propaganda supporting the idea that Solar and Wind is cheap, and cheaper in particulat than nuclear or coal/gas. It can be made to appear so when measured in a particular way, but alongside that is the experience of the local electricity consumer who sees their account rapidly and acceleratingly drained by power Company bills. Things that are really cheap, sell themselves and do not need government subsidies.
As Griff keeps telling us, it doesn’t matter how high electricity prices get in Germany, because the people can’t afford to use it anyhow.
So much better in the US: I get my power from a socialist non-profit organization, the Lee County Electrical Cooperative, didn’t drop out for a second during Hurricane Irma and at very good prices too!
Public utility districts are not-for-profit, community-owned utilities.
28 PUDs serve customers across the State of Washington.
Fast Facts about PUDs [ http://www.wpuda.org/ ]
The map at the site shows all the different flavors — We are yellow, so just electricity.
That government can own and operate power stations is not evidence that government owned power stations are the best way to provide power.
Mark
Not government, but extremely local administration, you know like the guy living next door. And who said best way? Very few things in the world is best way.
I can settle with pretty good, as long as their intention is to improve!
Without competition, nothing improve for long.
Government regulated monopolies always bloat, there’s no reason for them not to.
The man who farms most of the neighboring tracts to mine is on the board of our rural electric coop. I have a direct contact and 14 cents per KW. The county water system is coop also. We have more say in those utilities than city folks. My LP supplier fills my tank when prices are down and also stores it for me so it stays at that price as long as possible. He is a neighbor also. Around here if you are within 2 miles you are a closely located neighbor and we know who lives on what tracts of property and what livestock and pets they own. Rural counties are the fabric of what made this country thrive.
“ceaseless propaganda supporting the idea that Solar and Wind is cheap”
Yes it is. If you ignore all kinds of important details and believe one-sided marketing hype funded by government money, solar and wind are cheap.
Ntesdorf…. That is the intent, cripple industry with energy shortage then control the economy. This may work in most countries but can only be successful in the US if the Federal government controls. Nye’s stupid attempt/suggestion would cause industries to relocate to industry favorable states and ultimately the people will follow along with the balance of power.
I seem to recall there’s something in the Constitution about “interstate commerce”.
But Bill is a “progressive”. What does he care about the Law of The Land?
PS Did “The Science Guy” ever mention anything other than politics and money?
He should be careful what he wishes for, especially since he’s on the wrong side of the true science …
The states Nye mentions are standouts at imposing sanctions against their own citizens:
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/economic-freedom/map?geozone=na&page=map&year=2015&selectedCountry=USA
Interesting way of looking at things.
“California, Illinois, New York”
Places I have lived and worked but avoid in retirement. Good goverment means low crime, good schools, good roads, and low taxes.
While this sounds like a contradiction, efficiently spending tax dollars improves the quality of life. When public safety is about confiscating drug money and not protecting children something is wrong.
California and New York import power. An elected official in California suggested sanctions against Arizona. Fine, start with the power and water you import.
And New York gets much of its power from hydro via Niagara Falls. Not imported, but mot “renewable” by many or the Enviros’ definition of “renewable”.
Gunga Din, also from Hydro-Quebec I think.
Gunga din most of their power from Quebec .
Go Billy go! This dork is a perfect representative of all that is phony and ridiculous about CAGW and this recent comment just emphasizes that. I hope he keeps babbling as often as possible!
Nye is a treasure.
“Nye is a treasure.”
He’s stand up material.
Eric,
Recall… pirates buried their treasures…. 😉
Eye is a ” Hill-a-billie ” an cyance is mi think
States can’t impose tariffs against each other. Completely against the constitution.
Even if they could….no blue state is self supporting
Didn’t Trump’s tax bill include the elimination of the deduction for state and local taxes?
If so, the Blue states are going to be even further from self supporting.
“…Just watch out, conservatives, if states rights include California, Illinois, New York — these places that, where people voted in a progressive fashion — …”
Illinois’ is blue when it comes to voting for president, and the state legislature has a Democrat majority, but the current governor (and 4 of the past 6) is Republican. That’s not quite “voting in a progressive fashion” for Illinois’ leadership.
Will this stupidity never end?
Not while the money holds out.
Not while OUR money holds out.
Personally I do not want it to end.
I think Bill Nye is suffering from self grandiose similar to Al Gore. They are both great educated men in their own minds. I was just told in a blog since I do not have a climate science degree I am not qualified to have an opinion on man-made climate change. Wonder why that only works only one way?
“since I do not have a climate science degree I am not qualified to have an opinion on man-made climate change”
Perhaps it does work both ways. It would explain why all those GW Climatologist’s computer models have been wrong. They don’t have Computer Science degrees.
And “computer science” degrees actually exist. You could get one. Where would you get a “climate science” degree? The internet maybe? Hey, I know!
Anyone want to help me start the Online Climate Science University? We will make a fortune! Unless of course we teach actual science, but why would we do that?
“And “computer science” degrees actually exist.”
And “computer science” competence can actually be measured.
“And “computer science” degrees actually exist.”
My son has one from George Mason U. He takes the metro to close to the White House.
Where did we go wrong?
The Online Climate Science University may already exist. There is a university where you can get a degree in climate science, among other professional subjects. It’s called the Velvet Jones School of Technology:
His only purpose in this is to draw attention to himself. In that he is 100% successful. Got WUWT and who knows what else to print this.
Bill Nye is just a “Timmy Cook” without money.
Ha hahahahahah
I noticed something as I got older. I am now of the firm view that, by the time a person is 40, they have the face they deserve.
Now go back to the top and take a look at that face and then wonder how could a decent human being have that face.
When you’re younger, the body can change remarkably so a change in personal views can alter the overall appearance. But by 40 the long term habitual moods, expressions and reactions have created a permanent impression of the person inside.
Now go back to the top again, take another look at Nye and be aware of what feelings you get about him just by looking… 😀
This needs to be done in reverse – “red areas” (look at demographics by county) produce most of what we need to live – food, energy etc. How about the “red areas” declare war on the “blue areas” (i.e. cities) so they may actually understand where everything they consume comes from. By that , I mean withhold products from red areas to blue areas.
Comifornia would be begging for mercy inside of a week if electricity imports were cut off. Cutting off water would have a similar but slower impact on LA. The Blue regimes need to consider what they import before declaring war.
I am sure there are legally binding contracts that will prevent that. CA is full of liars…sorry, I mean lawyers.
Of course, there are always supply problems and who’s to say why those suddenly increased? Maybe the equipment is just old.
Bill Deny is great,I could not hope for a better enemy than this poor fool.
This is almost as heartwarming as Utubes of Liberal tears on President Trumps election
Goodness Billy Boy! Sounds like you want another civil war. Blue states are going to impose things on red states? Well, first let’s clear up the little matter of just what red and blue states really are. Which political party is mare aligned with socialism/communism? That would be the Democrats, right? And what color flags to communist states normally have? Would that be red? Remember when we called the Chinese the “Blue Chinese”? Or was that the “Red Chinese”? So just how did red turn to blue on its way across the oceans? Now that we have un-reversed the color spectrum, let’s think about hillbillies for a moment. They do tend to have the most firearms and ammunition. Which is a worry, isn’t it?
Liberals see themselves as the new Blue Bloods.
I’ve often wondered about that color thing as well. In Canada, red is the color for the Liberals while Blue is for the Conservatives. Orange is for the Endy Pee, the most socialist mainstream party.
In canaduh, they are ALL socialist parties. Conservatives even use the moniker “progressive” to draw in more liberal leaning voters. Anyone to the right of j.trudeau is considered a nazi.
Canaduh is finished.
And the Global PharmaMafia by hook or by crook support them all. Follow the money.
Bill Nye, the Faux Science Guy, seems to have gone completely Senile with his rants now. Apparently his stand on CAGW is falling on so many deaf ears that he has taken to Shouting in a Vacuum, a Vacuum that mainly fills his cranium. For someone so dependent on CO2 (he releases more than the average human) it would have worked out better if he had been able to run that CO2 experiment properly instead of having to fake the results because he not only couldn’t perform the experiment properly, but his entire premise was flawed to begin with.