Jerry Brown Climate Rant: “We need a total, I might say, brainwashing”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Jerry Brown thinks we all need a total brainwashing to avoid the extinction of all mammalian life due to climate change.

Jerry Brown, President of the Independent Republic of California

As he crusades across Europe, the governor is acting like the leader of a sovereign country—an alternative to the United States in the Trump era.

By DAVID SIDERS November 11, 2017

Bonn, Germany, this week, Jerry Brown stopped over at the Vatican, where a doleful group of climate scientists, politicians and public health officials had convened to discuss calamities that might befall a warming world. The prospects were so dire—floods and fires, but also forced migration, famine and war—that some of the participants acknowledged difficulty staving off despair.

California’s doomsayer governor did not express much optimism either. Seated between an economist and an Argentine bishop at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Brown leaned into his microphone and said, “It is despairing. Ending the world, ending all mammalian life. This is bad stuff.”

“There’s nothing that I see out there that gives me any ground for optimism,” he went on. Still, he promised action: “I’m extremely excited about doing something about it.”

In one sense, Brown’s fixation on climate change would seem unremarkable, the predictable conclusion of a career steeped in the ecological and environmental movements of the 1960s and 1970s. The 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill, early Earth Day rallies and the Stockholm conference on the environment weighed heavily on the public consciousness when Brown was starting out in politics, and observers of a certain age will still recall him mystifying audiences with pronouncements about “planetary realism” and the “spaceship Earth.” He was still talking about the need for a fundamental shift in lifestyle when he said at the Vatican that confronting climate change will require “a transformation of the relationship of human beings to all the mysterious network of things.”

“It’s not just a light rinse,” Brown said. “We need a total, I might say, brainwashing. We need to wash our brains out and see a very different kind of world.”

But in his climate diplomacy today, Brown is performing a more urgent, final act. For nearly all his public life—from secretary of state to governor, to mayor of Oakland and state attorney general before becoming governor once again, at age 72—Brown’s near-constant state was to run for public office. Now, for the first time, he is not. Term limits will chase Brown from the state Capitol in January 2019, and today he calls climate change his “campaign,” dismissing the idea that after running unsuccessfully for president three times, he might try again in 2020. “I’ve thought because people like you ask me,” he said in an interview before leaving for Europe. “But no, I’m not running.”

Now, Brown’s future rests on a family ranch in Northern California, where he is nearly finished building a remote, off-the-grid home. These days, he talks more about rattlesnakes and wild boar than the presidential election, and he has turned his focus from electoral politics to more existential concerns.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/11/jerry-brown-california-profile-215812

Perhaps retirement is what Brown had in mind, when Jerry Brown instructed state regulators to survey his Northern California ranch for oil in 2015. Despite the disappointing results of the survey, income from Brown’s land holdings, his governor’s pension and whatever other investments he has accumulated should make for a comfortable retirement.

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177 thoughts on “Jerry Brown Climate Rant: “We need a total, I might say, brainwashing”

      • “observers of a certain age will still recall him mystifying audiences with pronouncements about “planetary realism” and the “spaceship Earth.” Maybe there is some truth to the science that says too much marijuana use kills brain cells. Actually, when you think about it, most of the people smoking pot are the leftist types that support the whole notion of CAGW. Apologies in advance to those of you who use it medically.

      • He should know about “wild bore.” ;-) Do any of these nutters actually READ any of the DATA? Or do they just read each others’ science fiction and scare each other to death? Particularly fitting that Moonbeam’s busily running around the Vatican–because that’s historically been the font of Scientific Truth! /sarc.

      • Earthling2 November 11, 2017 at 5:23 pm
        “observers of a certain age will still recall him mystifying audiences with pronouncements about “planetary realism” and the “spaceship Earth.” Maybe there is some truth to the science that says too much marijuana use kills brain cells.

        I don’t know if it kills brain cells or not, but it does distort the “data” brain cells use to “compute”.
        (Back in the day, I remember stopping at a stop sign. I stayed stopped for five minutes or so before I realized it wasn’t going to turn green.)

      • 40 Million years ago, temperature was a few degrees warmer than today’s, CO2 was approaching 2,000 ppm, and large mammals thrived — no extinctions.

    • Whatever he’s smoking, he should increase the dosage. At some point, he’ll become completely incoherent, like one of those animatronic things at Disneyland.

    • I think Brown is the one that needs a brainwashing, but he may be too far gone for it to do any good. There is a profound lack of knowledge concerning the “Scientific Method”, as it relates to cause and effect of the dynamics of climate change. Serious scientists have know for centuries that the Sun controls the climate for the entire solar system. How that dynamic works out is still under study, but to assume without evidence, that CO2 is the driver of climate is the height of absurdity…claims are not evidence, they are political agendas with the goal of controlling societies, globally.

  1. Would you like to swing on a star
    Carry moonbeams home in a jar
    And be better off than you are
    Or would you rather be a mule

    A mule is an animal with long funny ears
    He kicks up at anything he hears
    His back is brawny – and his brain is weak
    He’s just plain stupid with a – stubborn streak

    And by the way, if you hate to go to school
    You may grow up to be a mule

    Would you like to swing on a star
    Carry moonbeams home in a jar
    And be better off than you are
    Or would you rather be a pig

    A pig is an animal with dirt on his face
    His shoes are a terrible disgrace
    He ain’t got no manners when he eats his food
    He’s fat and lazy – and extremely rude

    But if you don’t care a feather or a fig
    You may grow up to be a pig

    • There is more:
      Would you like to swing on a star
      Carry moonbeams home in a jar
      And be better off than you are
      Or would you rather be a fish

      A fish won’t do anything but swim in a brook
      He can’t write his name or read a book
      And to fool the people is his only thought
      Though he slippery – he still gets caught
      But then if that sort of life is what you wish
      You may grow up to be a fish

      And all the monkeys aren’t in a zoo
      Every day you meet quite a few
      So you see it’s all up to you
      You can be better than you are
      You could be swinging on a star

    • Swinging on stars is only possible due to gravity but it is useful to imagine the transfer of energy via high frequency e-m radiation (light) for the ultimate purpose of mankind as “carrying” any kind of beam home.

  2. CAGW gives its devotees a reason to have Power (control over others’ lives), Pelf (other peoples’ money) and Position (reason to consider themselves better than others). PPP is the holy trinity of the parasite class; CAGW can’t possibly be a lie.

    But a parasite is never satisfied; taking stuff from the people who make stuff is their job and their joy; they will do it ’til the end of the world and never have enough.

      • catholic church? Staline’s was Orthodox church.
        And i rather see it as an illustration to the old point “the world is foul of perverted christian ideas”.

      • When young Joseph Jugashvili (Stalin) was a seminarian, he was studying within the confines of the Georgian Church, which is separate from both Roman Catholic and Russian Orthodox churches.

      • @bobburban
        Looking for ‘correlations’?
        * Napoleon was an immigrant from Corsica
        * Stalin was an immigrant from Georgia
        * Hitler was an immigrant from Austria
        So during a period of unrest, a foreigner can step in and ‘make the country great again’.
        One of the powers behind the throne must have had a bright idea.
        * The Governator could not run for President because he was born in Austria. Instead a man born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia got the job.
        * The last time there was a Cuban and a Canadian. But the guy who married a Czech honey trap won.

        There was no unrest before, but there sure is a lot of it now.

      • Napoleon wasn’t an immigrant because Corsica was part of France (even if many Corsicans were unhappy about that). Likewise Stalin with Georgia.

    • Sounds so much like …

      “We will bury you!” (Russian: «мы вас похороним!», translit. “My vas pokhoronim!”).
      A phrase that was used by Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.

  3. Yesterday, Stanford University had a big football shindig. Thousands upon thousands of people came to campus. Cars were parked cheek-by-jowl under the trees in every field, family-sized caravans were scattered everywhere. Large crowds walked the lanes, and tailgaters were cooking up storms.

    How much CO2 was produced by the literally thousands of purely whimsical trips to that game? How many fans flew in? The University of California has 9 campuses. They all have sporting teams, including football.

    Those teams produce a) huge incomes for the campuses, and; b) huge amounts of fun-associated CO2.

    Jerry Brown is deadly serious about CO2. He wants to legislate all internal combustion engines off the road. He thinks it’s a dire emergency that could end all planetary life.

    It is despairing. Ending the world, ending all mammalian life.” So he says.

    If it’s such a big emergency, why hasn’t he ended all those UC California football games, and all those unnecessary CO2-producing trips? He could do it with a stroke of his pen.

    And end all the UC public basketball games, and baseball games, too.

    Put up or shut up, Jerry Brown. End unnecessary sporting trips.

    And then let’s see how the California progressive elite squeals when their fun is affected. And how the academic virtue posers wither when their sports money dries up.

    And don’t forget to ban private passenger aircraft, too, Jerry. So Leo DiCap and all the rest can really feel your angst.

    • You have a point.
      If he really beieved in what is is sayed, he wouldn’t just talk about it, he would act. he would be building another Noah’s Ark instead of a new ranch, to begin with. Or suicide himself out of despair, the quick or slow way (alcohol)

    • Mr. Frank, i think you’ve nailed it in that nothing will ever change the quest for the affluent life. As soon as politicians actually start cutting into the status quo, they will not be politicians for long. That’s why, i think, paris was created as a paper tiger. Because if it had real teeth, the folks would just rise up and get rid of not only the treaty, but the politicians that made the treaty. Politicians ain’t stupid. Therefor, all the best that they can/will do is pay lip service to agw all the while accomplishing little to nothing. People forget this when they say that the greens are winning. In the overall sceme of things they aren’t even coming close to winning. Life goes on, and will continue to go on (one football game at a time)…

      post script~ i’m of too humble an estate to call you by your first name. you are a professor, no? (maybe i can call you “Professor Frank” instead… ☺)

      • Fonzie, we should be objecting to the horrendous waste of resources being expended against the shadow puppet monster of theoretical human interference in global climate. Politicians and bureaucrats are the ones who should have “their feet to the fire” over squandering our money on something that we can do nothing to change anyway.

      • ” In the overall sceme of things they aren’t even coming close to winning. ”

        That could change very quickly, with no opportunity to undo it. We came perilously close with His Obamaness.

    • Its always someone elses job to make the lifestyle sacrifice Pat – especially if you are one of the climate aristocracy, reluctantly imperilling your purity with fossil fuel use to bring the green message to the world.

    • Oh, come on! Don’t you guys recognize a false flag when you see it?

      Guvner Moonbeam seems to be straying in the general direction of — well, I want to say mild dementia, but that would imply that he ever had a working brain. I don’t know how much pot he’s smoked or how much acid he dropped in the 1960s, but these ridiculous statements he’s making may indicate that the side effects are VERY long term and irreversible. He seems to have successfully fried his gray matter.

      Personally, I think he’s incompetent. But that’s just me. I think it’s time he retires.

    • Now, if he could only lead his own little democratically socialist country… for the greater good of the world…

      The dude is a megalomaniac, boys and girls. No drugs or alcohol to blame.

  4. No one can use the ‘privileged white, climate denying old male’ accusation against me as long as that pillock is still around.

      • A career politician who is re-elected again and again. People in CA apparently approve of his whining and crying like a little girl, not to mention massive spending of their money, statements about brainwashing and hugging undocumented beings. That says more than Moonbeam being a career politician.

  5. The really sad, sad thing for the Once Great State of California is they will very likely elect a new Governor who is even more mentally deranged than MoonBeam: Gavin Newsom, the current Lt Governor. This guy makes Moonbeam look like a John Birch Society founder.

    Anyone who can get out of California who hopes to save themselves from some savage tax increases, better get out now before Newsom becomes governor.

    • On this side of the ditch – I had literally never heard of him.
      I am not the greatest follower of political trivia, but thought I was reasonably aware – at least for the USA.
      Not so much.
      We all know the Wiki can be changed – even by me! – but Newsom seems to be fairly well connected – Browns, Gettys [‘Getties’ looks wrong to me!], Pelosis [think Nancy], in his or his father’s entries.
      There must be a slew of up-and-coming politicos in the US, one of whom will become President in 2024-5.

      Any tips?

      Auto

      • As to who the Democrats are going to run for President, no one in the US has any idea either. Most of the leadership is quite old, and most of the people groomed for office, like the Castro brothers, did not get any traction.

      • Identity politics are the rule in Democrat Party.
        That is Women, minorities candidates, and LGBTQ even better. Straight white guys need not even bother. Biden will get zero traction in his party.

        California Senator Kamala Harris checks two of those boxes and is the current best guess for Democrat candidate for POTUS2020. She’ll have to work for an endorsement from Barry, but I’m sure like most Democrats, she’s up to the task.

      • Democrats would like to run Oprah, since she is all three, ie a black Lesbian, and like Trump, rich.

        But she wisely seems to have no interest.

        At this point, it’s really hard to guess whom the Democrats might nominate in 2020. The list is long, but might well still not include the nominee. Who would have suggested Bernie Sanders in Nov 2013?

  6. I won’t stand still long enough to let Jerry Brown wash my brain. The elites on the right have told me that it is not good to be brainwashed. And I always listen to the elites on the right. /Sarc

  7. Brown doesn’t appear to be aware that the most concentrated brainwashing ever conducted has been going on for decades in the West with total commitment by K-12 in public schools, every University in the Western World, all scientific institutions and publications, government agencies, research grant providers for a one sided issue, and all but a few news media. Yet, remarkably, there is that minority that can’t be brainwashed under the most coercive conditions. That minority that exercises critical thinking. That minority that won’t compromise their integrity though it may cost them a career, impoverish them, put them up to vilification, threats and organized efforts to silence them.

    Even the Soviet Union with a 70yr unremitting campaign of brainwashing, coercion, long incarceration and extirmination, was unable to purge brave dissidents (sceptics) as a defiant resistance to totalitarianism. Indeed it is the few percent only who have always kept freedom alive at great personal cost. It is a fact that most will go along, most can be brainwashed, coerced or bought.

    Jerry Brown, should be ashamed to even speak of using this most insidious of tools honed by the ugliest despots of the past century for garnering ‘consent’ and obedience. Jerry Brown should know that it works on the majority but it doesn’t snuff them all out. He should know that more sinister methods are then adopted to deal with those who are stubborn resisters. Shame on him. I believe when this destructive campaign fully collapses, the principle of freedom to be a sceptic becomes a protected human right. Free speech isn’t enough. We’ve seen how it gets manipulated, corralled, subverted, by idеолоgs.

    Why do such as Jerry Brown fear this small percentage. Shouldn’t a massive majority be sufficient to do what they will? The answer is they fear this thinking minority that can articulate its position, debate their experts or even show the fear of these experts to engage in debate. Gavin Schmidt caught on camera fearfully skulking out the back of the TV stage when Roy Spencer was called in will be a go to link in perpetuity for analyists of this egregious age.

    • Brainwashing is a favorite “debating” technique for autocrats. Jerry is showing his true colors.
      I recommend Chapter 11, “The End of Truth,” in Friedrich A. Hayek’s Road to Serfdom. In it he explains how under socialism truth no longer describes how an individual – as sole judge of evidence or its proponent’s credibility, according to experience and good conscience – decides if a fact warrants belief. The “truth” becomes something laid down by authority, something that must be accepted in the interest of the organized effort (which, of course, may need to be altered as exigencies require).

      He adds that it is not enough to deprive most people of independent thought. The minority inclined to criticize must also be silenced. Every detail in the central plan, and every act of the government, must become sacrosanct and shielded from criticism. To ensure that people will support the common effort without hesitation, they must be convinced that both the end and the means to achieve it are right. Therefore to enforce adherence to the Official Creed as the only view of the facts important to the plan, criticism or even expressions of doubt must be suppressed for threatening weakened public support.

      Hayek was writing about Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia.

  8. YIKES!
    “Comrades, Embrace our naked propaganda…. and march!”</b

    That's gonna really convince those darn conservative skeptics, right?

  9. WUWT commenter “Jimbo” (who for some reason never posts anymore) posted this image on Jan 25, 2015 on a WUWT thread.

    This photo is very appropriate to deranged MoonBeam’s desire to save his Climate Religion via indoctrination (i.e. Brainwashing).

    • No – but they are happy to spread the propaganda and participate in the brain washing, because
      “The Ends Justify The Means!”

  10. ““It’s not just a light rinse,” Brown said. “We need a total, I might say, brainwashing. We need to wash our brains out and see a very different kind of world.”

    Always wondered how much coke Moonbeam musta done when he was dating Linda Ronstadt…

  11. Well there goes Jerry’s defence, he does know what he does.
    Brainwashing, via government institutions is propaganda.
    The “progressives” are masters of that art, for this they lust after power and seek to live at taxpayers expense their entire lives.

  12. As I said earlier, I don’t know how much dope Brown smoked or how much acid he dropped in the 1960s and 1970s, but there were other things just as bad, and they can all have a long term effect on the brain. No one has ever done a long-term study on the side effects of that garbage, but if he’s been doing that for 50-some years, it’s probably got the same effect on the brain that chronic alcoholism has – and that ain’t pretty.

    if he really believes what he’s saying, he’s off his trolley. If he’s just saying it to get attention, he’d better have some backup for this twaddle (which I’m sure he can’t really produce). He is, however, on a roll of some kind. He may crash and burn before long. You’d have to ask, reasonably, why it’s more important to look like a fool in public than it is to be addressing real issues like the fires in October that destroyed so many vineyards.

    Most people have their feet planted on the ground, even if they make silly statements. That doesn’t appear to be true in this case. Just my opinion.

    • Sara,
      Moonbeam is of the Left. He has a rabid, deranged base he must appease. He’s learned to control it to a point. But he can’t go against the Left’s orthodoxy. He must preach climate scripture. Someone on the Right who disavows Climate Scripture just get called silly names, like the D word.

    • That’s a good point, joe. Someone said this morning that the reason Feinstein and Pelosi continue to be elected is that there is someone worse than they are waiting in line to get those jobs.
      But the rabid, deranged base is a minority, however vocal it may be, and the people who aren’t fooled will eventually push them back where they belong.
      I think the La Brea Tar Pits may have some space available.

      • I do not think you realise how far Left the US Democrats have been pushed in the last 9 years.

        Until Obama came in, the Democrats could discuss centrist ideas. They could: Discuss abortion or prolife in their party. Discuss ideals of freemarket versus state control. Discuss equality of economic opportunity versus equality of economic outcome. Discuss the need to balance environmental regulation versus economics.
        No more. Absolutely not. Obama and Bernie Sanders imparted a Hard Left Turn for Democrats.

        Any Democrat who does not tow-the-line on pro-abortion, equality of outcome, hatred of capitalism, limits on free speech, free stuff galore,,… they get slammed hard by an intolerant, very vocal base. Those are litmus tests for today’s Democrats.

        And it is about to split the Democratic Party into a civil war.

      • I think the Dems steering to the hard left happened as a result of their lost election in 2000 when Ralph Nader acting as a Green took sufficient votes away form the Democrats that they purposely embraced climate change-global warming under their failed candidate Al Gore who had earlier spearheaded a lot of the demonization of CO2 as a Senator and then VP. In retrospect, it sure was a good thing that AL Gore didn’t become President and implement his hair brained CAGW program. Thanks Ralf Nader!

      • and thank you Janet Stein, Green Party candidate in 2016. Jill took more than enough votes from Crooked Hillary to keep Hillary’s crime syndicate out of the WH.
        Ross Perot did the same for HW Bush in ‘92. That Gave us Slick Willy and his White Water criminal gang.

  13. I watched the videos of him. (many). I think that this proves that an idiot can be elected to State Governor, or even President… or to the House or the Senate in the US, but also to any country in the world.. They can’t comprehend real data…reality…whatever…I just don’t understand….

  14. With independence California can become yet another international failed state. Low educational performance levels (48 out of 50), no major water storage projects in decades even though population has doubled (see disaster struck Hover Dam), tent cities springing up everwhere in the central valley area, road systems in disrepair and pedophiles and rapists rampaging throughout Hollywood. CAGW is just the distraction that they need to keep their minds off the real problems.

  15. Jerry is finally over the top. There must be legal justification for removing Brown from office by recall for malfeasance, mental disability, senility, incompetence, hallucinating, being a danger to self or others or inability to walk straight on a white chalk line. On the other hand, I have some big ideas on where to find oil in California. Maybe, I could interest him in hiring me to check out his northern California ranch. Enough oil might distract him from any interest in climate change.

    • California produces a high volume of crude oil, about 201,284,000 barrels per year, despite any denial by people like Guvner Moonbeam. A good deal of that is exported to out-of-state refineries, not sure exactly how much, but it’s substantial.
      Everything he says is baloney.

      • Yes indeed, many people just don’t think of California as a significant oil producing state, but it is just behind Alaska and Texas in volume and 3rd largest producer in the USA. Major disconnect from its ideology and what it does regarding oil production. Just think what it could produce if it allowed off shore drilling and production? Trump should get on that file, and drive the eco-loons over the cliff.

  16. For 16 of my 61 years on the planet, Jerry Brown has been in-charge of my State. For 1/4 of my lifetime ! Sure, it was fun when Linda Rondstat was the First-Girlfriend of the Governor but those days were happy go lucky compared to the HORRORS of Jerry’s latest RULE. Yes, there are LAWS against such Fascist, Dear Leader, terms of Governor. But Jerry’s team of crack Lawyers made-up an exemption for such an exceptional Dear Leader as Jerry. As a result, I PAY through the bunghole for every therm, kilowatt, and gasoline I need to survive, while swerving to avoid the potholes of our neglected automobile infrastructure. Jerry has so embedded his leftist eco-beliefs in this State, that we will NEVER undo the damage. I honestly believe it will take a TOTAL and COMPLETE economic collapse resulting in plummeting property values to WAKE UP all the eco-virtue-signalers following Jerry’s Pied Piping. As long as the charade of State DEBT is papered-over with accounting ju-jitsu, the music will keep playing. BUT … a day of reckoning is coming for CA. I expect near-octogenarian Jerry will have passed on by the time the economic apocalypse hits, but I pray that I will have retired, cashed-in, and LEFT this JOKE of a State BEFORE it all comes tumbling down. But I suspect that is actually Jerry’s endgame. To completely CRASH our capitalist economy, only to replace it with a command-control Eco-Fascist State that brainwashes its citizens to do the bidding of our Supreme Leader(s). It appears as though my EXIT is going to be a photo-finish.

    • Just tell him that China and India are helping the world to build 1600 new coal fired power stations that will totally swamp any feeble attempts at mitigation that Califoolia tries to implement

      Should send him into a apoplectic fit.. .. but will anyone notice any difference?

  17. Brown embodies “the messianic delusion” (Mencken), as do many other crjusading warmists (Gore, Hansen, Mann, etc.). And nearly all the nastiest political leaders of recent centuries.

    • Jerry Brown has rubbed shoulders with messianic delusion, brainwashing and cults in the past. When he was governor in 1977, both he and his lieutenant governor attended a testimonial dinner for Jim Jones , of the Peoples Temple and Jonestown infamy. Brown’s description of Jones: “what you should see every day when you look in the mirror in the early morning hours… a combination of Martin Luther King, Jr., Angela Davis, Albert Einstein… Chairman Mao” . That didn’t end well did it? Jerry Brown quite clearly can’t see something is bad even when it’s inches from his face. His path seems to be simply to fail with the herd.

  18. …and our climate concerned friends seem to think that Brown is just about right.
    We are coming to a terrible, dangerous point in our culture.

  19. California leap-frogged Pennsylvania to become the state with the largest gas tax – Pennsylvania’s tax settles in at $0.50 cents per gallon, with New York at $0.42 cpg following closely behind. The Golden State’s gas tax, meanwhile, increased from $0.40 to $0.52 cpg.

    • Count your blessings. Here in the UK, fuel duty is £0.59 per litre, which comes to about $2.94 per US gallon. Why do you think we mostly drive smaller more economical cars?

      • I paid $2.19 USd for gasoline this morning and I am not happy about it. That is up ten percent in two weeks. I seriously feel sorry for you guys in Eutopia. And the People’s republic of California, of course.

  20. Jerry Brown needs a reality check. Based upon the paleoclimate record and modeling efforts one can conclude that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific rational to support the idea that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. The last interglacial period, the Eemian, was warmer than this one with higher sea levels and more ice cap melting yet no tipping point was ever reached and the last ice age went off as Mother Nature scheduled it. In the past CO2 levels were more than 10 times what they are today and no tipping point was ever reached. The AGW conjecture depends upon the existance of a radiant greenhouse effect which has never been observed anywhere in the solar system including the Earth. The radiant greenhouse effect is science fiction. Hence the AGW conjecture is nothing but sceince fiction. There are good reasons to be conserving on the use of fossil fuels but climate change is not one of them.

  21. Is it really possible that in light of this story here…………..

    and this one:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/12/consensus-climatology-in-a-nutshell-betrayal-of-integrity/

    and this one:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/11/vox-conservatives-cant-be-pursuaded-about-climate-change/

    and this one:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/11/good-news-is-hard-to-find-at-cop23/

    and this one:
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/10/al-gore-president-trump-cant-be-educated-on-climate-change/

    just a few *very* recent stories here and *how* many others…..

    ………that there isn’t a (depressant) psychoactive substance ‘at loose’ in the population?

    See how they argue – just like drunks, they repeat, repeat, repeat, getting ever louder and extravagant in the claims and when they don’t get their way, throw Ah-homs, tantrums, message deletions etc (Violence)

    See the endless buck-passing (just try persuading a drunk driver that he actually has just wrecked his own car)

    See the endless fixation on ‘the negative’ – classic sign of ‘ordinary depression’ = chronic despondency
    See the Consensus and the Appeals to Authority – childish tribalism.
    See them wracked with guilt – classic depression.

    And someone mentioned about ‘Jerry not wanting to die, make a mark = live forever’
    Why does no-one want to die, pretty obvious but could it just might be that when they do, they are by convention, going to meet my namesake, St Peter and he is gonna ask some pretty searching questions. Face-to-face at that so no room for hypocrites then. We all know we’ll be found out sometime.
    (This is the religious guilt trip and what King Knut realised worked so well in controlling populations – also most mothers as a way of controlling children.)
    Best try delay that time for as long as possible eh not?
    Making trying to ‘make up for something’ perchance?
    Guilty about something you’ve done in the past, are doing even now?
    Yes Al Gore, I’m looking at you

    And what have you got left in a grown-up human if/when most/all of its memory and thinking abilities are switched off = depressed by a chemical something? Are you not left with what that human was born with, the instinct and actions of a child?
    And how do children behave, how MUST a child behave if it is to survive – it constantly ‘seeks attention’
    Familiar eh not?

    Problem is of course, we’re not privy to how Einstein, Newton, Queen Victoria, Gladstone, Disreali, Abe Lincoln, Planck, Churchill and the like conducted themselves so how do know that the current ‘behaviour’ is unusual?

    There again, how do we know the temperature of the Earth when those people were alive?

    (Take these thoughts as an unfinished jigsaw puzzle – look yourself for parts that fit.
    Its not Gospel, set in stone, peer reviewed or linkable to – take time, just ponder, to do research)

    wot did i writ there (St Peter, gospel)
    sigh

    • Not bad, Peta, but you left out the following, which is important: Is there some sort of punishment awaiting the amorphous blob known as a “soul”, or is it something else?

      Well, to be clear on my input, some time ago I asked a good friend of mine if she believed in reincarnation. She emphatically answered “Yes, and you have to keep coming back over and over and over until you learn how to do it right.”

      No one has ever really asked what happens to the energy that makes us who/what we are when the corporeal body dies, because it doesn’t just go “poof!” when the brain (battery) shuts off. Electromagnetism is what keeps us intact as individual organisms, applies to all organisms, large and small, so where does it go?

      With Brown and all his hipppie/Greenbean/Warmian buddies, it may just slowly dissipate into the general pattern of electromagnetism, or they may have repeated cycles of being on the bottom rung of the ladder until they learn to behave better.

      For the rest of us – well, maybe we get a chance to come back for a do-over to get it right and then take a break.

      Liked your take on it, but I think it’s a non-ending cycle.

      • “Well, to be clear on my input, some time ago I asked a good friend of mine if she believed in reincarnation. She emphatically answered “Yes,”

        Reincarnation does seem to give the most logical explanation of reality. It explains things like why bad things happen to good people. Maybe they/we weren’t so good at some time in the past, and end up suffering the consequences of our own past actions.

        It would be nice to think that the law of Karma was in effect and every bad person (and every good person) would get just exactly what they deserve.

        I don’t know if reincarnation has any validity, but it is an interesting subject.

        I like the one about the five-year-old boy who just a few years ago described his experiences in a past life during World War II where this child said he was a fighter pilot who was killed in action in the Pacific theater.

        The child named names and described naval vessels that he could not have known about in his present life (he was too young to coach). He even met the family that was related to this World War II pilot and they consider him one of their family now! A fascinating story.

        There is a university in the Southeast of the U.S. (I cannot remember its name) that has something like 1,500 cases similar to the one above. They are doing a big study on the reincarnation and have a Department dedicated to it.

        They said most of the cases they had studied were of children, and explained that young children were more closely connected to their past lives and could therefore recall more details than older people.

        There was a tv special on the five-year-old and his story not too long ago.

        I would like to hear a logical explanation for how that child recalled all those things from a place and time he could not have possibly known about.

        There are lots of mysteries in this old world.

  22. Problem solved:

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Today President Trump disclosed that he has reached an agreement with Enrique Pena Nieto, President of Mexico, which provides for the sale of all of the State of California to the country of Mexico. President Trump noted that this deal, which he claims “is his largest real estate deal ever” is a win-win for everyone involved.

    One of the benefits he says he will highlight includes using the proceeds received by the US from Mexico to 1) pay for the Wall (fulfilling yet another campaign promise), a wall which will now include the length of the eastern border of California, 2) fund all the infrastructure spending in the remaining 49 states and 3) pay to relocate the 67 Republicans that currently reside in California if they so choose.

    He also noted that Federal money saved from the elimination of California citizens on US social programs will allow those social programs to be cash positive in less than 3 years.

    Mexican President Pena Nieto announced that he has already introduced a bill to the Mexican Congress asking to change his country’s name to ‘MexiCal’.

    California will now be able to act as a sanctuary state within MexiCal.

    The elimination of the existing border between Mexico and California will allow drugs to flow more freely between Mexico and the users in Hollywood.

    Nancy Pelosi released a statement stating that she looks forward to making the Mexican President’s life miserable and prefers the year round weather in Mexico City to that of DC. Her office has already announced a schedule of fund raising activities for an upcoming campaign to run for President of MexiCal.

    Papers released along with Trump’s statement reveal that a newly incorporated real estate company, pmurT, Inc., will receive a broker fee of $25 billion on the California sale.

    California residents will be issued special Bluecards to cross the border into the US so that the total number of California liberals entering the US can be tracked and at any point in time not exceed predetermined levels.

    Mexican President Pena Nieto stated he is thrilled with the deal and is looking forward to declaring Spanish the national language for his newly acquired territory and opening SSL (Spanish as a second language) schools throughout California.

    He also noted that funding for the transaction would come from the Mexican drug cartels, which have agreed to provide low interest loans to Mexico so long as they are allowed to move their cash out of Switzerland and the Cayman Islands back into Mexico tax-free. He also said he considers the fact that Disneyland will now be located within his country an added bonus.

    President Trump wrapped up his statement stating, “this deal is HUGE and while the U.S. will be smaller, it will help Make America Great Again”.

  23. One could also say that the United States has stretched too far south and into the desert. It’s time to retire before the desert sun burns the rest of the brain. Not even brainwashing would help than anymore, for lack of mass.

  24. ARTICLE: .” He was still talking about the need for a fundamental shift in lifestyle when he said at the Vatican that confronting climate change will require “a transformation of the relationship of human beings to all the mysterious network of things.”

    mysterious definition: 1.difficult or impossible to understand, explain, or identify:
    Translation they don’t understand climate change.

    • HA you got it before I did…I saw that too, “relationship of human beings to all the mysterious network of things”.

      Mysterious network?
      Things?

      Conspiracy nuts got Christmas early this year. Brown just confirmed human beings relationship to:
      Aliens
      Alien Abduction
      MIB
      Ancient Advanced Civilizations
      Government Conspiracy:
      JFK assassination
      Hoffa’s hidden body
      And all “false flags’

      Does the CIA know he just outed them? I don’t think he’ll make it to retirement….

      LOL

      • The fb i and ci a have discredited themselves so thoroughly and completely, that the Deep State nuts are out in force calling rational people “conspiracy nuts.”

        So now there are those two categories.

        I think as a test for which you fall into, every one should watch the trailer for the new LBJ movie. If you snort, laugh, or roll your eyes, face it: you are a “conspiracy nut.” :D :)

  25. Basically, somebody attached a high pressure hose to a high pressure septic tank on one end, and Governor Browns ear on the other. His brains have been flushed out leaving his skull densely packed with cr@p, so badly when he opens his mouth a raging torrent of $hit comes roaring out

  26. We need (click, buzz, zing), I might say (boing, zoom, bang), brainwashing (ZZZZzzzzz).

    (Backstage) OK, boys, get up there quick and wind his key back up……

  27. That’s a lot of acres for two people with no kids (no little taxpayers to help us out). No wonder he likes illegal immigration. Doesn’t Agenda 21 try to get us away from property ownership? Or is he not in to this sustainability thing?

    • When is Jerry getting an electric car to travel around his ranch ?

      Rather than the fossil fuel guzzling , CO2 spewing , high pollution vehicle he appears to be driving

      HYPOCRITE !!!!

  28. It’s not just Jerry who’s deluded….

    “Climate change is a global problem that requires global solutions. Now more than ever, we need to work together with our partners at home and around the world to show how our collaboration can lead to results in this international fight. Today’s carbon market linking agreement will add to the success we have already seen in reducing greenhouse gas emissions in Ontario, Québec and California. We are stronger together, and by linking our three carbon markets we will achieve even greater reductions at the lowest cost. I look forward to continuing to work with Premier Couillard and Governor Brown on our common goals, including advancing carbon markets and emissions cap programs across North America and around the world.”
    Kathleen Wynne
    Premier of Ontario

    Here in Ontario it’s our total educated and political class who worship the climate priests.

    Madness, just insane madness.

  29. Build walls around the cities and make them pay a massive, punitive tax for having the gall to travel outside those walls. And (since they have no real understanding of infrastructure) once in a while, shut off the power to the cities completely.

    See how long they last with that.

    “Soylent green is people!”

  30. Lets not talk about Mr. Wynn . The Liberals in Ontario excel at deleting E mails and screwing tax payers out of hundred’s of millions in torn up power contracts . Ontario will likely vote them in again just to be ripped off another term . Like Moonbeam in California and Mimi- Beam in BC global warming is the best deflection strategy they could come up with . Kids in their own cities can’t afford a dog house while the planet savers run around the world on kerosene fueled jets to preach the earth has a fever and now they have even come out of the closet encouraging brain washing .

  31. And that “off the grid” ranch in California can only ever survive with massive amounts of diesel powered generators and water pumps.
    He will need solar panels built in China using resources extracted using diesel powered equipment and manufactured in factories run on electricity from coal powered power plants.
    He’s going to have to get lumber trucked in from Oregon or further afield in diesel powered trucks.
    The products his ranch produces (if any, he’s a socialist after all and more likely to subsist on the labour of others) will have to be trucked out on diesel powered trucks as well.

    Very CO2 neutral, Jerry.

  32. I would call the policies pushed by Jerry Brown and his entire cadre of Progressive/Eco-fascists exactly what is meant by ‘behavior-based extinction’.

  33. Rather than brainwashing, i reckon it’s about time we saw some legal action over blatantly untrue claims by climate alarmists. Now, anyone is free to publish conjecture or opinion which might or might not become true, but if someone publishes untruths then that is a different matter. If it is done in the name of promoting business interests -and it usually is – then it is fraud, and fraud is a crime.

    ‘Climate change might cause sea level rise’ – Opinion, therefore not illegal.
    ‘Ending the world, ending all mammalian life’ is an opinion, and although a ridiculous one, not illegal.

    ‘Sea levels are rising at an accelerating rate’ – Factual claim, and Untrue, therefore fraudulent.
    ‘Oceans are becoming more acidic’ Factual claim, and Untrue. Oceans are alkaline.
    ‘Storms are becoming more frequent’ – Depends on region, but fraudulent if not supported by met data.
    ‘Grid-scale energy storage tech is just around the corner’ – If there is no product nearing the marketing stage to support the claim, then it is fraudulent.
    Diesel cars are causing massive pollution – If official pollution levels have not increased, then that would also seem to be fraudulent.

    We could really do with getting some legal eagles onto this. At the very least it would send a warning message to those engaging in deliberate disinformation. It might also incline journals to refuse such articles.

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