September 22, 2017
From American Thinker

By Daren Jonescu
Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson has been doing the leftist media interview circuit recently, pressing his peculiar thesis that professional (i.e., paid) scientists are a superior class of humans whose conclusions are intrinsically beyond reproach and must therefore be accepted blindly by unscientific lunks like you.
In each of these interviews, a non-climate scientist asks a series of predetermined questions designed to elicit rehearsed responses from the non-climate scientist Tyson, the upshot of which is that (a) people who question man-made global warming are anti-scientific fools driven by irrational agendas; (b) scientific consensus is not the product of the social and political pressures of academic life working on the minds of the career-motivated, publication-obsessed majority of scholarly mediocrities, but rather consensus is the very definition of Objective Truth; and (c) anyone who questions a scientific consensus poses a threat to the survival of democracy.
For an example of (a), here is Tyson’s explanation of why some people continue to question the alleged scientific consensus on global warming:
What’s happening here is that there are people who have cultural, political, religious, economic philosophies that they then invoke when they want to cherry pick one scientific result or another.
In other words, non-scientists who have the audacity to cite scientific results falling outside the consensus as grounds for questioning global warming are just people with agendas who are refusing to accept the settled science, for anti-scientific reasons. This doesn’t account for the actual scientists who produced those dissenting results or hypotheses. Are they also to be dismissed as mere “deniers,” since their views do not match the consensus?
Tyson’s answer appears to be yes, as he offers this interesting definition of “objective truth,” answering to talking point (b), above:
For an emergent scientific truth to become an objective truth – a truth that is true whether or not you believe in it – it requires more than one scientific paper. It requires a whole system of people’s research all leaning in the same direction, all pointing to the same consequences. That’s what we have with climate change as induced by human conduct. This is a known correspondence. If you want to find the three percent of the papers or the one percent of the papers that conflicted with this, and build policy on that – that is simply irresponsible.
So according to Tyson, science is ultimately defined not by superior individual minds defying accepted views – i.e., standing against a consensus. No, science is rather defined by consensus itself, for consensus alone establishes objective truth, which “is true whether or not you believe in it.” (Funny – I always thought Nature or God established objective truth, but apparently, in our nihilistic progressive age, that task has devolved to the collective of university professors.)
And what is a scholarly consensus? It is “a whole system of people’s research all leaning in the same direction, all pointing to the same consequences.” Tyson conveniently leaves out the most important factor: “all beginning from the same underlying premises.”
Scholarly consensus is what you get when a few people at the top of an academic hierarchy become gatekeepers and use their authority as peer-reviewers, thesis supervisors, and hiring committee members to influence the range and limits of “legitimate” research. A new specialization that has detached itself from a broader system of inquiry, and therefore has relatively few prominent practitioners, as in the case of climate science, is most easily susceptible to this form of “consensus-building.”
As for point (c), above, Neil deGrasse Tyson gives us this doozy:
I’m so disappointed that the country that I grew up in – that put men on the moon, that developed the internet, that invented personal computers and smartphones – that people are debating what is and what is not scientifically true.
By “people,” Tyson means those who are not professional climate scientists. Unless you are an officially accredited member of the fraternity of scientists, you may not debate “what is and what is not scientifically true.” In other words, shut up, ignore the evidence around you, and just follow your betters. Failing to do so is, according to Tyson, “the beginning of the end of an informed democracy” – where “informed” means compliant.
Not being a professional (i.e., paid) scientist, I never received the memo announcing that ad hominem, appeal to authority, and plain old elitist condescension have now been enshrined as elements of the scientific method in good standing.
Leaving all that aside, Tyson’s best argument for bowing before the god of scientific consensus – his only argument based on reasoning rather than intimidation – is in fact the “oops” moment to end all “oops” moments for a global warming apologist. For this argument actually undermines his whole case, by justifying the core position of climate change skeptics.
Referring to the August solar eclipse, Tyson leaps at the opportunity to catch the “deniers” in a contradiction.
I don’t see people objecting to [the prediction of an eclipse]. I don’t see people in denial of it. Yet methods and tools of science predict it. So when methods and tools of science predict other things, to have people turn around and say “I deny what you say,” there’s something wrong in our world when that happens.
And I would say that when a renowned scientist fails to realize he has just blown his own position to smithereens, then there is something wrong in our world.
Tyson’s analogy between global warming and solar eclipses is meant to be a zinger that wows the audience into submission, so that there is no need to flesh out the terms of the analogy more clearly. But let’s take a moment to clarify his point.
Scientific predictions are not standalone declarations made on the basis of some sort of magical thinking called “scientific method.” Rather, scientific reasoning is used to form hypotheses about certain aspects of the material world, which hypotheses are then typically evaluated over time by means of their predictive power. In other words, predictions are the arena in which underlying scientific premises are assessed for plausibility. The more evidence of accurate predictive power, the more believable the underlying theory becomes.
Let’s look at Tyson’s example of solar eclipses. If you questioned whether the recent solar eclipse would really happen, you would truly have exposed yourself as an uneducated pleb who doesn’t respect scientific method. But why did you feel obliged to believe that the eclipse would happen? Was it because there was a scientific consensus?
No – it was because every eclipse predicted in your lifetime has actually occurred, exactly when and as the scientists predicted. None of us has ever met a person who could tell a story of “the eclipse that never happened” or “the eclipse that caught everyone by surprise.” Having not a single counterexample to cast doubt on the scientists’ predictions, ordinary men and women have developed a complete trust in the validity of those predictions.
If, by contrast, we had seen that the astronomers were often wrong in their predictions of eclipses, or that there were often eclipses that no astronomers had predicted, or even that eclipses frequently occurred precisely when the scientific consensus insisted that no eclipse could possibly happen, then most of us would be skeptical about predictions of solar eclipses. We would have every right to be. No astronomer in these circumstances could reasonably demand that we trust the scientific consensus, given how often their predictions had failed. And even if, by chance, this year’s solar eclipse had turned out more or less the way they predicted, we might reasonably classify that as a coincidence rather than as evidence for their theories, remembering how often their previous predictions had been false.
Or imagine that astronomers had taken to predicting both that an eclipse would occur this year and that no eclipse would occur, such that neither outcome could disprove their underlying theory. Wouldn’t we all – wouldn’t even Tyson himself – regard such a theory with skepticism in light of its advocates’ unwillingness to let it stand or fall on the accuracy of any decisive prediction? Wouldn’t Tyson accuse those scientists of trying to create an unfalsifiable theory – i.e., one which no empirical outcome could ever prove wrong? Wouldn’t he question whether such an unfalsifiable theory qualifies as legitimate science at all?
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The only difference between Tyson and Nye is that Tyson never wore a bow tie. Thus he is one step up in ‘credibility’ when compared to
Pee Wee HermanNye. Having said that, it is one small step up.Neil de Grasse -Tyson claims that scientists are characteristically argumentative and contentious, as evidenced by their behavior at conferences, and that is why there can’t possibly be even a self-enforced conspiracy. However, he fails to explain why climatologists supposedly are in nearly unanimous agreement about Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, and why he considers anyone disagreeing with them is a “denier,” when it is supposedly the character of scientists to disagree. The man is logically inconsistent and the term “hypocrite” is probably quite apt.
Tyson’s ideas of how science works may be the ideal view. And scientists not being biased presumes there is no outside influence on their research. BUT what happens when the science journal and editors are biased against certain conclusions, not because of poor scientific data or reasoning, but because of their personal bias? AND what happens when the funding agency supporting that work makes it clear what research results it expects from the funding it gives? And what happens when those funding agencies are pressured by politicians on what research to support? And what happens when the press pursues the issue for ratings and not for truth?
Imagine IF ALL scientific research were subject to these pressure points.
Vies from a publishing, research scientist for 50 years.
Eclipse models are predictable, because, orbits are relatively steady; like the sun at 12:00 noon in London from one day to the next.
Whereas, a computer model with missing inputs, like Neil’s roulette wheel of doom, will predict which day a mammalogist will discover why some mammals have an appendix.
Maybe Neil deGrasse Tyson should have used this NASA example of “consensus” thinking:
A NASA Groupthink or “consensus thinking” resulted in launching the Challenger on that cold morning:
Actually there was more than 1 engineer that recommended not to launch:
The best science communicator that I ever saw was Don Herbert – “Mr Wizard”. He wasn’t a scientist but he knew how to demonstrate scientific ideas. His experiments fascinated me as a child and I still enjoy videos of his old shows. Don Herbert didn’t just communicate science, he communicated a deep love for and respect for science. Mr Wizard made the world a more interesting place.
Tyson and Nye make the world seem to be a dangerous, forbidding place, but then their goals are very different from Don Herbert’s. They want to change the world politically. Mr Wizard merely wanted to help kids see the beauty and power of science. He communicated with individuals. They communicate with, consort with, and serve politicians.
I forgot about Mr Wizard, here’s one which demonstrate ultra cold on rubber tubing, etc….
I used to watch all his shows:
Thanks, I enjoyed that.
I am a paid scientist. Science isn’t about truth. It’s about testable hypotheses and repeating phenomena. You may choose to connect that to truth if you wish, but that is a metaphysical position that stands outside of science. (Whether or not the connection it true.)
you’re out of your lane.
science is the deliberate and systematic discovery of truth.
get some.
s/ “truth”, “reality”.
gnomish
Ha ha – if you’re being sarcastic.
Otherwise, you’re dead wrong. Accuracy and truth are two very different concepts.
Javert Chip
sorry, that failed to parse.
gnomish,
Unfortunately, what we call “Truth” often changes over time. Paradigm shifts are usually the culprit that re-defines what we like to call truth. Just as all models are wrong, but some are useful, some ‘truths’ are useful. Those that are not useful we say are wrong. Those ‘truths’ may even vary with scale. That is, Newtonian physics has been shown to be a useful approximation, but doesn’t have the precision and scope that relativistic physics has. If two different approaches to a problem provide different answers, which one is the “Truth?” How can we be certain that relativistic physics won’t be superseded by some future refinement? I think that you need to be more flexible in your view of science and truth.
gnomish
I’ll give it another shot:
“truth” is best considered a philosophical (not scientific) concept. The term is commonly used in both arenas, causing confusion.
Khun & Popper have written on & debated this point to no objective conclusion.
nope.
first of all, if you can not define ‘definition’, you have no prayer of ever achieving more than the psychoepistemology of a parrot, repeating things you heard with no understanding
until any one of you is capable of defining ‘truth’, one must conclude that you do not have the slightest clue.
yet, you will presume to lecture me on a topic which happens to be my field of expertise?
nope.
you’re clumsy, wrong and pretentious.
if you actually give a crap, go here https://dhf66.wordpress.com/2016/07/09/10-theorems-for-ideas-about-how-things-work/
and watch popper get shredded and flushed
or not
i’m not paid to gaf and life is short.
just so you can begin to get a clue:
about the stupidest thing you can do is assert as truth that there is no such thing as truth or that it’s not possible to know it.
it’s self evidently false, so the fact that you can’t tell is something that defines your character as sub sapiens.
don’t waste any more of my time with mysticism, thanks. i’ll rip you up.
Truth is relative to context. An observable fact is not ‘truth’ it is an observable fact, thereafter subject to the interpretations of the observer.
What is true in a high-context culture is, ‘what you need to hear at this time’, even if the observable facts are unchanging.
“Proving something is true” is a mathematical expression used for convenience and brevity. Mathematicians have enough trouble proving the truth of 1+1=2, let alone proving CO2x2= +8.5 degrees C.
Crispin in Waterloo
and you are proposing this as a truth?
am i to accept your proposition as valid because it was a divine revelation?
and how absurd would it be to ask you to prove what you say?
can you expect me to credit you with intelligence when you don’t recognize the immutable falsehood of everything you just said.
is your reasoning conducted by some abdominal organ?
hunchbrain.
As Pilate said what is truth?
The perception of a moment in time?
Tyson and Bill Nye have both appeared on “The Big Bang Theory.” It’s obvious they learned nothing from the brilliant physicist Dr. Sheldon Cooper.
They also both appeared in a Stargate SG-1 episode, but I think that was before they became megaphones for CAGW science fiction.
It was a Stargate Atlantis episode.
You’re right!
Thanks for the correction.
It is time everybody called “a denier” needs to react immediately with a question why? and demand an answer. Don’t let them stop debate by this remark or any like it. It seems recently that anybody can get called this if they don’t agree 100% with anything other than over the top alarmist rubbish.
5000 people good agree with a scientific theory, but it only takes one to falsify it.
Tyson is a Leftist hack.
He’s an apologist for the Left’s CAGW cargo cult, whose CAGW arguments are a litany of logical fallacies: argumentum ad populum, argumentum ad verecundiam, argumentum ad hominem, argumentum ad abusurdum, post hoc ergo prompter hoc, etc…
Tyson is an embarrassment to science, alongside his sidekick Nye the “SCIENCE! (TM)” Guy…
As Winston Churchill once said, “He’s a pyromaniac in a field of strawmen.”
The long and short of it is that Climate Science has the same predictive success as Harold Camping.
… and the same financial success, too.
. . . does he have something growing on his lapel?
Caloric Theory
Balancing the four essential humors in medicine.
There is no such thing as Climate “Science.” There is a thing called Climatology, which is a sub-specialty of Geography. Geography is a purely descriptive discipline that seeks to understand why various thing are *where* they are. I have a BA (NB, Arts, not Science) degree in the latter and took climatology as an elective within that department/major. My climatology professor was none other than Ray Bradley, one of the co-authors, along with Malcom McHugh and Michael Mann, of the famous Hockey Stick paper. Michael Mann was Professor Bradley’s graduate assistant at the time. The department was very small, and almost uniformly subscribed to the the idea of the coming mini ice age. The department was also angling for a federal grant to become one of two “remote sensing” centers. Not sure if they got it or not as, I graduated, but let’s just say incentives may have changed as to what theory to go with.
“I don’t see people objecting to [the prediction of an eclipse]. I don’t see people in denial of it. Yet methods and tools of science predict it. So when methods and tools of science predict other things, to have people turn around and say “I deny what you say,” there’s something wrong in our world when that happens.”
The great scientist has spoken. But what he has uttered is a simple, garden-variety false analogy, a fallacy. Talk about a “tool of science!”
“I don’t see people objecting to [the prediction of an eclipse]. I don’t see people in denial of it. Yet methods and tools of science predict it. So when methods and tools of science predict other things, to have people turn around and say “I deny what you say,” there’s something wrong in our world when that happens.”
The methods and tools for predicting an eclipse do not compare to the methods and … “tools” (largely PREDICTIVE tools known as computer models) for predicting human-caused climate catastrophe. You may as well compare a spectrometer to Facebook.
The implied analogy is this: The methods and tools used to predict eclipses are equally as accurate as the methods and tools used to predict human-caused climate catastrophe. … clearly an unsupported claim, hence, yes, a grossly false analogy.
He obviously has NOT taken the time to scrutinize the … “methods and tools” that he is supporting. I can only assume that he accepts them on faith alone, which is not very scientific. In fact, for an astrophysicist who has a high profile in the public eye, this is downright negligent. He has the technical training to know better. He reasonably should know better. He should make the effort to apply his technical training to allow him to know better. He is just playing along with a popular myth in order to remain popular himself as a celebrity “scientist”.
Just yesterday I predicted the Sun would rise this morning.
Today I predict that the Sun will not rise on September 24, 2018 unless you surrender your money and freedoms to some sort of “Global Authority”.
(Send me some of your money now and I’ll tell you what that Global Authority should be named.)
“People smarter than I am using stuff like math and observations figured out long before I was born when solar (and lunar!) eclipses will and where they will occur. So if you don’t believe me when I say that the CO2 you exhale will doom your children to not knowing what snow is and rob the Tuvalu children of their home (is)land, YOU ARE DENYING SCIENCE!!!”
I might have messed up Tyson’s quote.
But I think I got the gist right.
NDT scores an own goal.
Will any of his fawning admirers notice?
Am I missing something?
I grew up believing that “Limits To Growth” and Claude Levi-Strauss were spot on. Certainly appears to me they were accurate.
Regardless, cooked &/or contaminated, when our food chains start to break up, due to one or the other, what will we eat, Pink Slime?
Are you a “member” of the de-growthers? ie. people who want to do away with capitalism, which is the economic system of the USA, not socialism.?
Don Graham September 23, 2017 at 10:25 pm says:
Am I missing something?
Here is what you missed;
http://drtimball.com/2014/overpopulation-the-fallacy-behind-the-fallacy-of-global-warming/
They were accurate? When? Where?
MarkW,
Extrapolations are always fraught with risk. The value of warnings such as those promoted by the Club of Rome is that it sensitizes people to potential problems associated with a mindless assumption that they can proceed with Business as Usual. What seems to happen in the real world is that as resources become scarce, they increase in price and substitutes are found that are cheaper (and less expensive!). Look at modern modular furniture made of press board and compare it to the durability of antique furniture made of solid hardwood. As we substitute materials that are more abundant than the former materials, we often pay a price in the form of less efficiency or effectiveness, and less durability. Modern microscopes use abundant plastic and after a decade or two, the plastic gears get brittle and break — and the company no longer makes the plastic gears. So, you throw the microscope away. On the other hand, fine German over-engineered microscopes of the ’40s through the ’70s were built like proverbial battleships and just need some lubrication every 20 years and they are as good as new. Another thing is that technology often makes the use of some resources obsolete. Silver is no longer used at the rates it once was because silicon and other exotic elements used in digital cameras have replaced the silver. So, resource exhaustion based on linear extrapolations of consumption rates were right, it’s just that it no longer matters. A good leader thinks ahead and considers possibilities — like a chess player — and is rarely caught unprepared. Whereas, most others are notable by the oft repeated remark, “How come there’s no beer in the fridge?”
You mistake cost containment with resource limitations.
There are no materials that we are in danger of running out of.
Club of Rome etc. were completely wrong then. They are completely wrong now. They will still be completely wrong 100 years in the future.
To take your example of plastic gears rather than metal ones.
There is no shortage of iron. It’s more abundant and cheaper today than it has been in the past.
Plastic gears are cheaper because they are easier to form. Your desire to believe that we must be running out of stuff has caused you to make assumptions that aren’t justified by reality.
Clyde,
“What seems to happen in the real world is that as resources become scarce, they increase in price and substitutes are found that are cheaper (and less expensive!). Look at modern modular furniture made of press board………”
That’s a chicken and egg debate. Was chipboard popularised because it was found to be cheaper than solid wood,or because it used the whole tree, rather than select pieces, the remainder being discarded.
Is the demand for chipboard products a response to its cheap retail price, and short life, or is it a response to consumer desire to change décor every few years.
How many houses have you seen with old fashioned solid timber furniture stuck in the corner of a modern room, quite out of context, simply because it belonged to Granny? And whilst the obvious answer may well be, it’s initial cost price is negligible over 100 years, it doesn’t have soft close doors, integrated cutlery trays, hygienic plastic inserts, integrated lighting, wipe clean surfaces etc.
A pocket watch in the late 19th/early 20th century would have been a serious investment. A Casio watch today will exceed the practical function of the pocket watch (waterproof, shockproof, wearable on the wrist, illuminated, solar etc.) and I can get one for less than £10.
I don’t think resource scarcity is a problem because technology is largely the answer.
Although I suspect we are arguing along the same lines.
MarkW,
You said, “There are no materials that we are in danger of running out of.” How about helium?
Pink Slime? Soylent Green!
I do not have the scientific pedigree of many people who read this blog, but unless I’m missing something (quite possible, I grant you) a solar eclipse has two variables. The path of the moon. The path of the Earth. (The sun is constant). That’s it. Two known variables that can be reliably mapped with precision. The math that computes the orbits is impressive to me. But the concept is so simple my 5 year old understands it. It’s a shadow. That’s it. Light shines. Thing blocks light. You get shadow.
Honestly, explaining how a paperweight works is more complicated than explaining an eclipse.
But the nature of our climate has dozens (hundreds?) of variables. Some known. Many unknown. All of them uncontrolled. And their interactions are extraordinarily complex.
To cite sciences ability to predict an eclipse as reason to accept prediction of climate change is like saying because I can microwave a burrito (place burrito, set timer) that I can make 7 course meal and finish it off with a soufflé.
It’s just a terrible analogy. And its terribleness should be obvious.
My work is applying psychology to the financial world (i.e., behavioral finance). When I hear people say they can predict the climate – quite exactly, far into the future – based on CO2, I compare it to people being able to predict the S&P 500 Index – quite exactly, far into the future – based on “oil supply” (insert your own variable here).
It is preposterous.
Please let me know if my reasoning/analogies are faulty. I wouldn’t want to be like Neil Degrasse Tyson (i.e., peddling stupidity in blissful ignorance).
I think that’s the best response I’ve read yet to this nonsensical propaganda machine’s rollout of the demand to “conform, or else”.
Agreed.
If I was to anything it would be that what Man does, does have a huge impact on the economy and economic models.
What Man does does, not have a huge impact on “Climate”.
An eclipse has a greater impact.
So Tyson, should we really be discussing flogiston’s impact on average outside air temperature and motion? Or, going further back in historical consensus, the impact of malevolent and magical females on the same?
Hey, jaakkokateenkorva, I know how to turn base metal into gold, you know!
When people tell me they side with the science, I send them to the Petition (currently leading Cook et al 31500 to 75).
Andrew. I’m now sending you to the first Council of Nicaea in kind.
My respects to the first Council of Nicaea for aiming to increase peace and prosperity of the mankind, not to starve poor in cold and dark.
Andrew, what is ‘the Petition’?
Or, if consensus is measured within a specific subset of people, pastafarists have the following:

Having said that, flat earthers’ consensus proof is looking much closer to the one you seem to be upholding at all costs:
jaakkokateenkorva,
I see that you have used the same pirate graph that David Middleton used. It is obvious because of the mistake of the number sequence on the abscissa — “35000, 45000, 20000, 15000,…” Note especially the value for 1860 CE.
Thanks Clyde. Extracted from the original source https://www.venganza.org/
The chart has numerous obvious mistakes and, such as, it’s so brilliant I might join pastafarists one day.
In The Uk we have a guy Called Prof Brian Cox, he pulls the same schtick. He was the one in the Aussie debunking show debunking here. With his #Graff”
CLimate science propaganda has become about signalling belief and testing faith even in the most ridiculous concepts this article elaborates on the point vis, General Political propaganda.
https://consentfactory.org/2017/01/13/why-ridiculous-official-propaganda-still-works/
Most folk that wash up on these shores must know it is a fool’s errand to try and disabuse the faithful of their faith. And unfaithful priests will continue to seek offerings from their flocks for as long as the Host remains alive.
On Settled Sceance
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/01/red-lines-settled-science-end-of.html
and re-branding the Carbon Surplus question?http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2016/11/re-framing-war-on-carbon-carbon-surplus.html
He was in a pop group so he is omniscient.
To be fair, Brian Cox kicked Malcolm Roberts into touch here, not because he was right, but because Malcolm Roberts failed to understand what he was doing.
Cox made a statement, and (conveniently) had his drawings to back him up. TV shows love images.
Malcolm Roberts launched into an attack on the science, from a scientist. Roberts may have been right, but the public generally perceive, rightly or wrongly, ‘scientists’ to be all knowing and all seeing. Cox is an expert in his own field, outwith that he is no more an expert than me on climate science, and I don’t have a qualification to my name.
What I do know, however, is that if you’re trying to sell something to an audience of one, or a million, you NEVER attack the opposition. He is attacking the considered thought and opinions (ill considered or otherwise) of every audience member who is an alarmist, so of course he’s going to be jeered. At best he could be considered ill prepared, surely if Cox had graphs to hand, the subject must have been on the agenda and Roberts should have been equally prepared.
The only way to overcome you competitors is to retain control of the conversation, and make your argument positive and relevant to the audience, not the competition.
The very first thing Roberts should have done was ask Cox, very politely, if he could borrow the graphs for a second. They would have been passed to him by the chair. Cox couldn’t have refused, or been considered petulant. Then Roberts would have control of the images, instead he allowed them to be thrown to him, deliberately short. Cox is in some ways, no fool.
The second thing Roberts should have done was congratulate Cox on his sterling research efforts to find the graphs, Roberts then had control of and, instead of challenging NASA, introduced another agency or authority which contradicted the graph. Roberts has no qualifications, in the public’s eye, that trump Cox’s. So if he is to introduce a criticism, it can’t possibly be from him.
The third thing Roberts should have done was move to the incredible benefits of increased atmospheric CO2 to humanity. He could also have emphasised that there is no empirical evidence whatsoever that demonstrates CO2 causes the planet to warm up. He almost tried, but very badly.
All very well in hindsight, but this is an experienced politician taking on a showman scientist with little more than criticism of his appeal to authority (which Roberts shouldn’t have mentioned as few laymen understand what that is) and Roberts bombed badly.
Roberts is correct, of course, but god help us if he’s the politician in the Australian parliament taking on the establishment. If they wheel out an ‘expert’ and he conducts himself as badly in parliament as he did here, he’s toast.
subtle way to say those who don’t believe in rca theory are stupid because they don’t understand there are enough evidences..
but well is rca theory a scientific theory? i am not sure of that..
they say…climate wil change oddly according to models…ie in a simili probabilsitic way…
then whatever the futur climate…it will not disprove the theory..
WHAT IS RCA theory exactly? what is the meaning of models ensemble ? is it a probability?
I do accept the models ensemble…but is it better than a crystal ball and why?
I watched a documentary on Rachel Carlson (author of Silent Spring). Carlson argued that science had not considered the long term effects of chemicals such as DDT spraying. Scientist Naomi Sarkes came to her defence pointing out that while Carlson was not a scientist, she had confronted the (mostly male) consensus, she was right, and that science needs to listen to such people.
While science rarely lacks consensus it often lacks consistency.
Naomi Oreskes,
Steve,
You misspelled it both times! It should be “Sharks.” 🙂
Rachel Carson
SteveT
Rachel Carson was wrong in the end.
I remember reading Silent Spring when I was an undergraduate in college. As I recollect, there was a description of robins acting drunk, which she attributed to them eating earthworms laced with DDT. I reflected at the time that I had never observed such a thing. However, I figured it must be true, why else would my professor have me read the book? Now, after several decades of additional observations, I have to wonder if Carson wasn’t just observing robins that had recently been dining on fermented pyracantha berries and mistakenly attributed their behavior to something she was convinced was bad. Such is the risk of formulating a hypothesis and then looking for evidence to support it.
Oh the irony.
Clyde,
An observation that SEEMED to support her hypothesis but that she never tested, just accepted it as a “proof” of her hypothesis.
[blockquote]For an emergent scientific truth to become an objective truth – a truth that is true whether or not you believe in it – it requires more than one scientific paper. It requires a whole system of people’s research all leaning in the same direction, all pointing to the same consequences. That’s what we have with climate change as induced by human conduct. This is a known correspondence. If you want to find the three percent of the papers or the one percent of the papers that conflicted with this, and build policy on that – that is simply irresponsible.[/blockquote]
So, when the first paper supporting the theory of plate tectonics came out and was in conflict with all the prior scientific papers it should have been ignored. No further inquiry into the theory should have occurred. Right?
What a bizarre view of science. To believe that once a ‘consensus’ is reached all further inquiry should be stopped, because of course sceintists have NEVER been wrong.
“ddpalmer
September 24, 2017 at 2:44 am
[blockquote]For an emergent scientific truth to become an objective truth – a truth that is true whether or not you believe in it ”
For the HTML to work use the brackets, not the ones above.
SteveT
Typical, try to help, petard hoisted and all that. The brackets you need are the “less than and greater than” signs. They didn’t show in my example because they were ignored.
SteveT
That’s why I haven’t been able to use inequalities in equations!
As SteveT said, use the “less than” and “greater than” keys instead of the “[” and “]” keys.
See Ric’s side bar for more fun with formatting here.