India: Third World Needs Green Freebies to Survive

BJP Party leader Sushma Swaraj greets Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at her residence in New Delhi, July 19, 2011

BJP Party leader Sushma Swaraj greets Secretary of State Hillary Clinton at her residence in New Delhi, July 19, 2011. Public Domain, Source Wikimedia

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Indian External Affairs minister Sushma Swaraj, the only way to save future generations in poor countries is to give them lots of money and free stuff.

Developed world must help less fortunate ones on climate change: Sushma Swaraj

UNITED NATIONS: External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj today said the challenge posed by climate change requires more “serious action than talk” and asked the leaders of the developed world to help the less fortunate ones through technology transfer and Green Climate Financing.

Arguing that countries like China and India are benefiting the most from the Paris Accord, President Donald Trump had said that the agreement on climate change was unfair to the US, as it badly hit its businesses and jobs.

Addressing the UN General Assembly (UNGA), Swaraj said that it was not just mere coincidence that the world has witnessed hurricanes, earthquakes, rains that inundate storms which terrify.

Nature sent its warning to the world even before the world’s leadership gathered in New York at the United Nations through Harvey,” she said, adding that once the gathering of world leaders at the UNGA began, an earthquake struck Mexico and a hurricane landed in Dominica.

“We must understand, this requires more serious action than talk. The developed world must listen more carefully than others, because it has more capacities than others.

“It must help the less fortunate through technology transfer and Green Climate Financing – that is the only way to save future generations,” Swaraj said.

Read more: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/developed-world-must-help-less-fortunate-ones-on-climate-change-sushma-swaraj/articleshow/60809694.cms

All the developed nations from whom political apparatchiks like Sushma are demanding handouts once had a standard of living comparable to today’s third world. But today’s developed countries didn’t sit around waiting for handouts; they got off their butts, fixed defective political systems, overthrew corrupt politicians, developed their own technology and made their own money. That is the real lesson of today’s world.

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AndyG55

“it was not just mere coincidence that the world has witnessed hurricanes, earthquakes, rains that inundate storms which terrify”
Why are these people even given a stage??
Is their only purpose to make fools of themselves?
India and the world have had hurricanes, earthquakes and inundating rains since year dot !
It is part and parcel of this world we live on.
Its NOT coincidence…
ITS HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN…..!!

Greg

Even worse this fool is suggesting that earthquakes are also caused by AGW. Is there a 97% consensus on that one now?

Greg

“Nature sent its warning to the world even before the world’s leadership gathered in New York at the United Nations through Harvey,” she said, adding that once the gathering of world leaders at the UNGA began, an earthquake struck Mexico and a hurricane landed in Dominica.

Is that supposed to mean the Gaia, or Sheva, or someone is angry and punishing or “warning” us, or is she really to stupid and ignorant as to suggest that all natural disasters can now be arbitrarily attributed to human CO2 emissions?

Sara

Umm… yes, Greg, she really IS that stupid. She’s plucking every string on that violin to get PC points. She’ll be a hero! She’ll save the destitute!… ad nauseum.

Sheri

Greg: She sounds like a religious cult leader thundering that earthquakes, hurricanes, and floods are God’s wrath and everyone better do as told by the leader or else things will get even worse. Nature has been elevated to a living being/god now, and politics, not AGW, is causing the extreme weather. If it were AGW, she wouldn’t be blaming it on the failure to hand over technology and money to the “third world” nations.

Bryan A

If the USA is going to be required to pay anyone to do “Climate” related construction in India, the funding should go to USA contractors and construction firms to design, supply and DO the work.

george e. smith

A better chastity belt design is what is needed first.
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Rhoda R

We aren’t funding them through the Paris Accords like they expected. I’ll bet they’ve already spent most of the anticipated money already.

Pamela Gray

And will have done so according to caste levels, with upper crust far more deserving than the lower rungs. Me thinks she should remove the log in her eye before telling us about the speck in ours.

Roger Knights

India diverts Rs 56,700 crore from the fight against climate change to Goods and Service Tax regime [About $10 Billion GWPF est. May be $14 billion.]
Unused money in the National Clean Energy and Environment Fund has been diverted to compensate states for loss of tax revenue.
By Kumar Sambhav Shrivastava, Scroll. In (India), July 24, 2017 [H/t GWPF]
https://scroll.in/article/844528/india-diverts-rs-56700-crore-from-the-fight-against-climate-change-to-goods-and-service-tax-regime
“’Basically, the fund is now dead wood,’ a senior finance ministry official said.”

Ellen

“… ITS HOW IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN…..!! “
Yes, the weather is how it always has been. So is the presence of politicians asking for more money.

It is one thing to help when help is needed, but something else entirely when the help is going to fund a fraud.

Matt S

Hey, if you could squeeze a few millions out of someone this easily wouldn’t you give it a try? 🙂

Latitude

absolutely…..we have too many citizens of our own country claiming that

Sheri

If I had no soul or conscience.

Million?
Sounds like Dr Evil’s starting figure.
Try several hundred billion – PER YEAR.
But just tty opposing this and one is immediately labelled a den1er and a Trumpist.
We live in an insane world which richly deserves the cataclysm that it is sleepwalking into.

Jones

If this is the case then how did the whole creating wealth thing even begin?
Divine intervention?

firetoice2014

Are you suggesting that God might be a capitalist?

It’s obvious, don’t you think? “The whole creating wealth thing” developed from ‘white privileges’ that were bestowed by Pachamama through the use of the devices of the laws of nature.
Think on that one for a bit.
This is planet Earth. If there are ‘white privileges’, there’s only one method with which they could have been bestowed — it was the laws of nature ‘wot done it.’ Suck it up and live with reality.

Goldrider

Capitalism is truly supported by the laws of nature: Every morning I feed a large number of horses and dogs. They must be separated carefully to keep the dominant from eating more than their share. Every single animal who has the ability to scarf down his lunch and then go after others’ rations will do so. The urge to compete is innate as part of “survival of the fittest.” When we disturb the natural order of competition by handing out “free stuff” wholesale to those who have not earned it, why are we surprised when the systems don’t work? Taking care of the truly helpless is one thing; encouraging bad policy by entire subcontinents serves no one’s interest.

2hotel9

Brother? Having dealt with refugees and farm animals on three different continents I can assure you that you are correct. If equal distribution is your goal armed force is required, otherwise the strongest WILL force their way to the immediate source and take all they want.

Alex

She doesn’t look like someone who has ever been hungry unless you consider the long break between afternoon tea and dinner

ozspeaksup

yeah, was thinking that myself.

Sara

Oh, you saw that, too? I noticed the photo doesn’t go below her shoulders, either. 🙂

Pamela Gray

Upper casters get to eat more than lower casters. The caste systems in place is entrenched human rights violation writ large. Don’t send a penny till they end that horrible system.

barryjo

So we can safely put the checkbook away??

Samuel C Cogar

Excerpted from above quote by India’s External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj

The developed world must listen more carefully than others, because it has more capacities than others.
It must help the less fortunate through technology transfer and Green Climate Financing – that is the only way to save future generations,” Swaraj said.

The Untouchable Class in India would surely agree with Minister Sushma Swaraj ………. iffen they weren’t afeared shirtless of being discriminated against by her and the other elite Class members.

That chick and food are never far apart.

Auto

Playing the woman – not the ball.
Ad hom and not much liked by me.
Auto – never likely to be a Twiggy . . .

Gary Pearse

If I were Sushma, I would be doing exactly the same thing. It was ‘developed’ world self-loathing neoмагхвготнегs that created this plan of mass cash transfer to bankrupt western nations and subdue them for easy global governance.
So should it be near-subsistence, under-employed Deplorables who should fund this idiotic plan? How about this ‘equitable’ idea:
Poll the people to find out who wants this action plan on ‘climate change’ to go forward and then apportion the ‘bill’ among those who raise there hands. It makes it a voluntary choice and democracy is preserved. The first payout would be to cover a 5yr annual payout. Hold this vote once a year. Steyer, Soros, Gates, Zuckerberg, the bleating, misanthropic foundations bankrolling the globegov putsch should be good for 100B a year for the first 5 years. They can backout by voting no the next round, and they would be taken off the list 4yrs afterward. The plan would go as long as it was solvent.

Rhoda R

Make it an option on your Income Tax Return form: “Yes, I want to donate $_____ for global warming. Either deduct this amount from my refund or increase my taxes due by that amount.” Lets see how many people really are committed to this scam.

RLu

This Minister ‘believes’ the hypothesis that GW will cause her peoples to become poor in 100 years.
And that the West made a grave mistake when they started the industrial revolution. So grave that the West needs to pay restitution to atone for their crimes.
India should avoid falling in the same trap. They should reject the industrial revolution and stop importing oil immediately …….
So that they can be poor now and not in 100 years.

Rhoda, No one is committed to being donors — Millions at least, likely billions, are committed recipients — and concern about any potential global warming has very little to nothing to do with it. The whole global warming bushwah scam is the coincidental excuse-of-the-century. Global warming has nothing whatsoever to do with having produced their ‘gimme more’ motivations.
And a real Ha-ha-ha? Without the use of CO2 emitting fossil fuels, just how much “wealth” would there be to redistribute to anyone — and to provide income for the redistributors. This whole scam is a real life tragicomedy that’s in the process of growing and developing.
And don’t disregard the political motivations that spring from the fact that it is among the so-called “one percent” where wallets fatten and financial assets increase when governments increase spending — ostensibly for the benefit of the needy. As the old saying goes, “Follow the money.” Or follow the transaction trail that begins with the “EBT” card. The money flow is from taxpayers to The Treasury to Walmart, Kroger, Safeway, etc., etc. The beneficiary is not a part of the actual money flow.

Sheri

The wealthy use YOUR money, not theirs.

Ziiex Zeburz

WHY is it that when you have an outstanding IDIOT in the community it has to be a POLITICIAN !!!!!

Leo Smith

WHY is it that when you have an outstanding IDIOT in the community it has to be a POLITICIAN !!!!!

Who else would employ them?

sy computing

“Who else would employ them?”
Universities.

sy computing

WHY is it that when you have an outstanding IDIOT in the community it has to be a POLITICIAN !!!!!”
Because individuals of similar intellect voted for them?

She’s not making it up. It’s in the UNFCCC. She is simply drmanding that the rich Industrialized countries abide by their UNFCC obligations.

Sara

Isn’t India part of that ‘rich, industrialized countries’ deal now?

2hotel9

No, the governing caste in India chooses to keep the nation of India within the 3rd world. Far easier to control people when you have direct control of their food and water. Add a sick assed religious component to it and you have a trifecta!

commieBob

But today’s developed countries didn’t sit around waiting for handouts; they got off their butts, fixed defective political systems, overthrew corrupt politicians, developed their own technology and made their own money. That is the real lesson of today’s world.

After European settlement, America and Australia grew and prospered. After European settlement, most of South America turned into a festering cesspool. Why is that? It seems to me that they all started from roughly the same place.

Wayne Townsend

America and Australia started from the Anglo-Saxon tradition of rule of law and personal property rights. South America started from Latin Monarchial rule and the Bolivar revolutions (followed by various Marxists). These are very different starting points and journeys leading to very different outcomes. Not all cultures (including all European cultures) are equal. Just ask yourself, would you rather live in Greece or Germany, Russia or the UK?

Patrick MJD

Depends who’s paying. For an easy life I would say UK then Germany…forget the rest!

AndyG55

Australia. 😉

Wayne Townsend

An added insight to the difference between founders like Jefferson and Madison (US) and Bolivar — this excerpt from the Wikipedia entry for Bolivar. (Yes, I know it’s not flawless, but it tends to soften the image of “cultural heroes” and the general outline of the consequences of his revolution are evident in it.)

Patrick MJD

“AndyG55 September 24, 2017 at 2:30 am
Australia. ;-)”
Not if you are a taxpayer such as myself. Australia is very much a tax “prison” for folks like myself. At least I chose to come here. Serial!

MRW

Except for Uruguay. When they created their country back in the mid-19th C, they just copied the American Constitution. Still exists.

Gary Pearse

Wayne, I certainly wouldn’t take Russia off my possibilities list. They are highly educated, richly cultural and didn’t go for the “plan” for elitist globalgov. China did but they are adored by the Champagne Sосiаlisтs and are happy to have a joint venture on the enterprise.
Russia is a fly in this ointment and that is why the propaganda in the west is so thick. They aren’t wrong to rattle military strength to send a message to the west. Russia took back Crimea when it saw Ukraine heading for Europe. It was given as a gift to Ukraine by Kruschev. It was Russian for a long time before that.
Heck, North Korea, the nastiest nation on earth, isn’t wrong to rattle sabres looked at from Dear leader’s existential position.
Europe is in steep decline culturally, their values, political economy… almost all I meet outside their countries are depressed. France has built a Plexiglas “fort” around the Eiffel Tower. It’s only a matter of time before the Mona Lisa, etc is destroyed. Bollards are being installed along touristy streets in UK to protect sidewalks. It’s getting like being lowered down in a shark cage off Capetown.
I was encouraged by Brexit, but Farage and UKIP are (were) its only hope. He retired and the homogenized British pol parties are carrying on the preBrexit nonsense. Thank goodness for Trump he is the only hope for my country, Canada.

Protestants got to North America and Australia first (swampy Florida is the exception that proves the rule), but the Catholics got to South America first.

Sheri

That would matter if religions were governments.

Protestants got to North America and Australia first (swampy Florida is the exception that proves the rule), but the Catholics got to South America first.

The difference: America and Australia were actually settled by Europeans who brought their mainly northern European culture with them; South America had proportionately fewer “settlers” and they imposed a southern European culture and religion that has not been near as successful. (Spain, for example, has not been successful for hundreds of years either at home or in their colonies.) If you are a multiculturist, you can claim that all cultures are equal, but in the real world they don’t produce the same results.

2hotel9

Dingdingdingdingding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have a winner!!!!!! Or, at least someone who actually pays attention to history.

Wayne Townsend

Oops, messed up and hid the quote. here it is:
According to Quiroz, caudillos were inspired by Bolívar’s centralized government ideals, since “Bolívar crushed liberal-minded leaders and usurped constitutional power”, with some caudillos learning from Bolívar how to abuse military funds “under the banner of patriotic heroism”

Patrick MJD

Her, baseless, opinions will be heard by the tens of thousands, and those hands will be stretched out wanting, no demanding, that money because “we” (White old people) broke the climate!

Well, don’t us old white boys owe everyone else a ‘stipend’ for having been the recipients of the “privileges” that we received from the laws of nature while they were being deprived by those same laws of nature? I mean, this is planet Earth. From where other than the natural resources, the natural processes and in accordance with the natural laws of the planet does anyone get anything, earned and deserved or not?
And, Oh, without all those CO2 emitting hydrocarbons to use to fuel ‘our’ prosperity producing economic endeavors just how much ‘wealth’ do you reckon there would be for those without to envy and insist upon receiving their ‘stipends?’ R. H. I. P. — or —
F. U. B. A. R. — or something — maybe R. I. P.

Let’s discuss it once India has adopted the principles of the modern civilised democracies where the upper class help their own poor. UN could perhaps even have a role there. Either way, India can start by abandoning their discriminative and archaic caste system, displayed shamelessly on their foreheads, and ridding themselves of the self-inflicted societal stratification. In the meanwhile it is unreasonable to expect the rest of the world booting the bill of one of the largest growing populations in the world.

Patrick MJD

Indeed!

Auto

Per – http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/ – India alone is increasing population by 15 million every year [China by about 6 million, then Pakistan by about 4 million]. And all three indicated as having net outward migration in the hundreds of thousand a year each.
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Hasbeen

I wonder if she reads chicken entrails too.

Patrick MJD

She is a lighter caste, she would never be exposed to that. It’s “below” her…

ozspeaksup

they have servants for that

John in Oz

once the gathering of world leaders at the UNGA began, an earthquake struck Mexico and a hurricane landed in Dominica.

Could it be that Gaia is fed up with the ridiculous and never-ending meetings of the CAGW faithful and sent the earthquake and hurricane to stop them meeting again?

Look again at where these things happened: That’s Pachamama’s territory…..Gaia is old world.

Ghalfrunt

USA needs loan handouts of $13.6trillion to survive
India needs loan handouts of $1.6 trillion to survive (national debt)
India has 3 times greater population
India debt is 70% of GDP
USA is 104% of GDP

ozspeaksup

if India invested in running water power n sewers and basic housing i bet their debt would soar also not even mentioning food stamps for the working poor or health care

Tom in Florida

Perhaps the USA should retract all our military forces from around the world and let the third world countries kill each other off. We save billions and eliminate lots of poverty ridden people. Win win.

2hotel9

We would have to keep shipping in ammo, that whole lack of manufacturing base and all, don’tchyaknow! I keep asking people what they bought from Central Africa today? Or, what did you buy from Mid East today? And I keep getting blank stares and guffaws of incredulity in return. Perhaps THAT is part of the problem? All these countries produce is misery, death and refugees. Starting to see a pattern.

fredar

Well, there is atleast one country in the world who doesn’t care about anyone else. That is North Korea. Maybe US should copy it?

Jamie

Yep…im sure if I give all my money to India there will be no more earthquakes. Sign me up

Chris

Now that wind and solar are cheaper than traditional energy – there won’t be any need for these subsidies.

catweazle666

What’s Father Christmas going to bring you this year, Chris?

BallBounces

The IPCC has been about handouts from its inception.

Is it not like any other product. Are people willing to pay for what you produce and how much.
Well guess what. People are paying for these products.
The science granting councils are buying it at $2M a study
Governments are buying green propaganda at $3M per year.
Ordinary people are buying feelings at $50 a donation.
It appears to be a valid product. The sales pitch is done in many different ways.

Sheri

No, it’s not how much people are willing to pay for what you produce UNLESS THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY WAY. The government is not a “people”, it’s a money sponge that never ends. I will agree that fools elect that money sponge, but your analogy is seriously flawed. If the government decided to spend 3 trillion on perpetual motion machines made by a relative of Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell or John McCain, whomever, it would NOT mean it’s a valid product. Especially if the ownership of one of these PMM was mandated by the government.

2hotel9

It is all about the Benjamins, baabee!!!!! Money is all the environmental movement has ever been about.

Tom in Florida

Perhaps we should ship all the old white people who created modern countries to these third world countries to show them how to create their own wealth.

mikewaite

We did, and we called it the Raj. Did not catch on in the long term , although we did build some fine railways (allegedly).

Sheri

That assumes they want to create wealth anywhere besides the ruling class. The evidence for this is pretty weak.

Tom in Florida

Then let their own ruling class help their own. If they don’t they we won’t either.

“Nature sent its warning to the world even before the world’s leadership gathered in New York at the United Nations through Harvey,” she said, adding that once the gathering of world leaders at the UNGA began, an earthquake struck Mexico and a hurricane landed in Dominica.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/719/509/0ad.png
And it burns exceptionally bright in someone dumb enough to:
1. Think that nature sends warnings
2. Conflate hurricanes with climate change.
3. Use the word “earthquake” in an ignorant rant about climate change.

Bruce Cobb

This morning I stubbed my toe. Coincidence?

One of my 10 dogs just barked at me… A warning from nature?

Kamikazedave

My dog just scooted his butt across the carpet. Time to get out the steam cleaner. Danmed climate change!! :{

Pamela Gray

Hey! My arthritis is acting up! Please everyone, don’t drive your cars today!

Sara

One of my two cats refused the catnip I put out for her.

Sheri

It’s cloudy this morning. I blame Trump and not sending money to India.

Pierre DM

She is not stupid enough to believe anything she is saying. She is elitist enough to believe the serfs are stupid enough to believe it.

Pamela Gray

Award winning comment

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Pamela
Award-winning response, too, if I may!
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John G

Ah, there it is . . . the real reason CAGW must be accepted, the whole globalist scheme to bring socialism to the world, redistribute the wealth and control everything from one central location depends on it. Without the unifying theme that everything we can do will be necessary just to save the planet and keep man alive it all falls apart into competing factions trying to exploit their little bit of the world and sell it at a profit to the rest of the world. Then there goes the kumbaya goodness of enforced equality and the appreciation of sacrifice and of being controlled lean, mean working machines on a crusade to save the world at all cost.

Sara

Okay, so the fact that I worked to support myself for almost 50 years and earned what little I do have should go to someone who is a shiftless bum? Just trying to understand here.
My response would be “N-O, NO!”

John G

Given CAGW is a crock, a very reasonable response.

Auto

If a trifle understated?
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Reasonable Skeptic

It is hard to ask people to help themselves when all they have to do is ask for you to help them. Of course, in reality they are helping themselves in the easiest manner possible.

Gamecock

Exactly. It is now known that foreign aid is destructive, sapping incentive for local development. Swaraj demands self destruction.

Mike Maguire

Not to defend this position but it’s just the one that the developed countries agreed to in the Climate Accord.
It’s ludicrous to state that the poor/undeveloped countries need the money to adapt to a climate that has featured the best weather/climate for most of life and food production in the last 1,000 years.
One can make a legit scientific case for the 1 Deg. C warmer atmosphere in the last 100 years to hold 4% more moisture and that humans might be responsible for half of that……….2%. So you can add an inch of rain on top of every 25 inches(in the world of weather extremes, it doesn’t work out that way but this helps to put it into perspective).
India is subjected to extreme monsoonal rain events that can be catastrophic and will likely increase slightly because of global warming. Heat waves would also increase slightly.
However, the massive increase in agricultural productivity because of the law of photosynthesis is not a theory and is greatly adding to India’s crop yields and making food much cheaper for the world’s poor. It’s clear that India is able to feed more people, cheaper because of human caused climate change when you dial in the added CO2(food production is a key metric to measure the human condition).
Is it worth having a slight increase in heat waves and flooding(that do cause fatalities)?
One way to look at it is………..Would you take less heat and flooding but have even more people starve/die?
That’s the world with less CO2 in it.
From the Food and Agricultural Organization of the United Nations(7-9-2017):
“Record cereal production seen boosting global stocks to an all-time high in 2017/18”
http://www.fao.org/worldfoodsituation/csdb/en/
The Social Benefit of Carbon: $3.5 Trillion in Agricultural Productivity. The Positive Externalities of Carbon Dioxide:
http://www.co2science.org/education/reports/co2benefits/MonetaryBenefitsofRisingCO2onGlobalFoodProduction.pdf

Latitude

“developed countries agreed to”……no they were out voted….10 to 250….10 pay….250 get paid
“1 Deg. C warmer atmosphere in the last 100 year”………….only if they can trick you into believing the recovery from the LIA ended in 1850

robertvd

India home to 101 billionaires
India is home to world’s fourth highest number of billionaires with Reliance Industries chief Mukesh Ambani leading the club of more than 100 super rich Indians, according to a new list released by Forbes magazine.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/slideshows/people/forbes-2017-billionaires-list-is-out-and-there-are-101-indians-in-it/india-home-to-101-billionaires/slideshow/57753089.cms

robertvd

So tell the Indian government where they have to send their money..

robertvd

Remember that India wants to become the first cashless Big Brother economy.

Mike Schlamby

That seems, prima facie, like a pretty frank admission that 3rd world countries are inhabited by people who aren’t capable of civilizing themselves or of advancing their general wealth and welfare.
While it might be an unpleasant conclusion, it’s hard to disagree with that diagnosis. The prescription, however, is another matter.

ran6110

Ever notice how these countries always think the ‘world’ owes them something while their own millionaires and billionaires get a free pass…

ooddballz

In that case third world, goodbye.
Can not say you will be missed.

Ashok Patel

while their own millionaires and billionaires get a free pass…
The Green Climate Fund is required to be distributed to these very people, Indian millionaires and billionaires.
Common man of developed Nations will foot the bill for rich people of developing countries like India.

macawber

Absolute nonsense. The West has already provided critical western know how to India through colonial investments in technology and extensive infrastructure works, as well as in later state of the art technological transfers. This drove India from being a corrupt and failed medieval state into a position where, after 70 years’ independence, they should be, and are, challenging the West on a market playing field tilted very much in their favour. We owe them nothing and they deserve nothing from us!

jipebe29

Earthquake linked to global warming? Absurd! Cyclones linked to climate warming? Ridiculous. It is sufficient to consult the statistics on cyclones in the Caribbean zone.
In fact the Indians want to receive a lot of money from the rich countries, right?

MarkW

Every developed country in the world was at one time poorer than the third world is today.
They didn’t need handouts to improve. They just worked hard.

Jer0me

Actually, I think the industrial revolution and the emergence of cheap and reliable energy they provide did that. The only problem was pollution, but we’ve been eliminating that slowly.
The developing world is going down the same road, just much faster as our ancestors paved tge way for them (while exploiting them, to be fair).

Jer0me

Oops, missed fossil fuels in that first sentence.

Hans-Georg

In Germany there has just been a political earthquake. Climate skeptical parties like the AFD and the FDP have experienced a great gain. The gain for the AFD is 8,5 per Cent to an amount of 13,5 per Cent. The government parties CDU / CSU (Merkel, Seehofer) and SPD (Schulz, formerly EU-Schulz) have together lost almost 15 percent of votes against the last Bundestag election. And within the union of CSU (Bavaria) and the CDU (rest of Germany), the tone becomes increasingly rough. After all, the CSU lost a whopping 12% of the votes in Bavaria. And in Bavaria next year the important regional elections will be held. How to form a coalition between the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), the CSU, the FDP and the Greens (the SPD wants to withdraw into the opposition), is now completely disgraceful. The klimaskeptic position in Germany is in a great upturn.

willhaas

The USA, with a huge national debt, huge annual deficits, and huge annual trade deficits, is in no possition to help anyone. The climate change we have been experiencing is so small that it takes networks of very sophisticated instruments decades to even detect it. One must not mix up climate change with weather cycles. Extreme weather events have always been part of our current climate and have nothing to do with climate change. Based on the paleoclimate record and modeling efforts one can conclude that the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which Mankind has no control. There is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and plenty of scientific reasoning that the climate sensivity of CO2 is zero. One of the real problems is over population that puts a strain on finite natural resources and forces people to live in dangerous areas in terms of vulernability to extreme weather events such as floods and drought. A major part of the solution is to gradually reduce population which is an internal matter.

2hotel9

And yet we do. Apparently you don’t pay attention to what is going on in the world.,

Developed world must help less fortunate ones on climate change: Sushma Swaraj
UNITED NATIONS: External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj today said the challenge posed by climate change requires more “serious action than talk”
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Your talking, Shushma.
Where’s your serious action.

rubberduck

India has enough money to develop nuclear weapons and a space program. Most wealthy countries have decided that there are better uses for their money. But according to mendicant logic, we should still give money to India.

N. Ominous

Responding to what is perfectly normal behaviour for a warmist politician of any nationality as if it were somehow a uniquely damning indictment of Indian society seems a bit off to me. And god knows why the caste system has been dragged into this thread.
Pamela Gray September 24, 2017 at 7:29 am
And will have done so according to caste levels, with upper crust far more deserving than the lower rungs. Me thinks she should remove the log in her eye before telling us about the speck in ours.
You seem to have taken it for granted that she is corrupt rather than stupid. Supposing you’re right, why would she favour giving money to people of higher caste, in particular? What would she have to gain from it?
Pamela Gray September 24, 2017 at 7:32 am
Upper casters get to eat more than lower casters. The caste systems in place is entrenched human rights violation writ large. Don’t send a penny till they end that horrible system.
They get to eat more? I suspect that how much Indians eat probably is probably better correlated with income than with their caste. Or do you think there’s a food police that goes round punishing “lower casters” if they eat too much?
jaakkokateenkorva September 24, 2017 at 2:34 am
Either way, India can start by abandoning their discriminative and archaic caste system, displayed shamelessly on their foreheads, and ridding themselves of the self-inflicted societal stratification.
Isn’t it hypocritical to condemn India for failing to eliminate the caste system when we in the West have failed to eliminate racism in our own countries?
Can you give an example of an Indian shamelessly displaying their caste on their forehead?
Patrick MJD September 24, 2017 at 2:52 am
She is a lighter caste, she would never be exposed to that. It’s “below” her…
You seem to think that people of high caste are magically protected from poverty. This sounds like the Indian equivalent of “white privilege”.
Samuel C Cogar September 24, 2017 at 8:27 am
The Untouchable Class in India would surely agree with Minister Sushma Swaraj ………. iffen they weren’t afeared shirtless of being discriminated against by her and the other elite Class members.
India’s President is an untouchable, and the government has not only continued past governments’ “affirmative action” in favour of lower castes, but also expanded its scope and raised the income threshold above which it ceases to apply. I’m not sure this is a good reason for untouchables to be “afeared shirtless”, but maybe there is one…

2hotel9

India’s President is an asshole, screwing everyone he can. India is vastly wealthy! Why is it still a 3rd world shitehole?

Patrick MJD

Note to self, remember to use the /sarc off tag so as not to offend the more fragile among us.

Responding to what is perfectly normal behaviour for a warmist politician of any nationality as if it were somehow a uniquely damning indictment of Indian society seems a bit off to me.

Pity your concerns didn’t prevent you doing the same the other way around. My critique was specifically targeted to external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj (BJP) posing in a picture above with a bindi. But, if she is fighting against segregation at birth after all, however further qualified, then I present my apologies to her now.
The prime minister Narendra Modi (BJP) seems to have voiced out skeptic opinions about manmade climate change policies e.g. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chaitanya-kumar/modis-oxymoronic-stance-on-climate-change_b_7045276.html
Now, cannot exclude his external affairs minister has a great sense of humour to speak in UN General Assembly blaming mankind for outside air and earth crust movements and claim money because of it. But she seems to have struck a cord at least with you N. Ominous.
Your turn, who are “we in the West have failed to eliminate racism in our own countries”? and how much should it be?

N. Ominous are you there? After emptying your heavy bag on many contributors over here, the least you can do is to stand by your stance. Right?

N. Ominous

jaakkokateenkorva September 24, 2017 at 10:56 pm
“Pity your concerns didn’t prevent you doing the same the other way around.”
I’m afraid I have no idea what this means.
“My critique was specifically targeted to external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj (BJP) posing in a picture above with a bindi.”
No. You claimed that Indians shamelessly displayed their caste on their foreheads. You gave readers no reason to suppost that you were actually “critiquing” Swaraj’s fashion sense. Or do you claim that Swaraj’s bindi is a signifier of her caste?
“But she seems to have struck a cord at least with you N. Ominous.”
Now you’re trolling.

I’m afraid I have no idea what this means.

In that case, try discussing the topic instead of the contributors of the discussion. This should help with your predicament. My culture prevents further explanations, unless you ask for it the third time. But, you made me change my mind now. She’s free to wear even swastika on her forehead as a fashion statement, however unwise I might consider it to be. Especially in the public office. Does this make you feel better now?
Either way BJP has chosen to mix politics, religion and nationalism. A 2012 survey by Mangalore University in Karnataka found that 93% of Dalit families still live below the poverty line. How can this be?
For this reason taking into consideration prime minister Modi’s openly skeptic statements, in my opinion the exterior minister is great comedienne by pinning it on earth crust or outside air movements caused by western civilisations. At the same time equally tragic as it would be pinning it on bad karma. But that cannot be it, because “we in the West have failed to eliminate racism in our own countries”?. Right? Now, who exactly are you talking about?

N. Ominous

“jaakkokateenkorva September 26, 2017 at 9:03 pm
She’s free to wear even swastika on her forehead as a fashion statement, however unwise I might consider it to be. Especially in the public office. Does this make you feel better now?
Are you or are you not claiming that Swaraj’s bindi is a signifier of her caste? If so then please provide evidence in support of your claim. It’s a simple enough request…

2hotel9

So, N? You put forward the proposition that people are born to a station in life and are required to stay there. Okely dokely then, sweetheart.

Edward Katz

Evidently, these 3rd World panhandlers have never heard of doing their part if they’re supposedly so sincere about arresting climate change. They want handouts from the West; yet they continue to build new coal plants at a furious pace. In fact, if all the new plants either under construction or being planned come into operation, they will account for a 43% increase in coal-fired power capacity. This will promptly negate any efforts by the advanced countries to reduce their own emissions, so we should give them nothing in the first place because they obviously have no intentions about living up to their Paris pledges.

Walter Sobchak

Once upon a time, a very long time ago, in a previous Millennium, Saturday Night Live was a very funny Television show. Every time I hear a third world politician demanding aid, I think of the following skit. I am sorry I could not find it on You tube.
Mark Mbutu: Hello. I’m Mark Mbutu from the newly emerging African nation of Namibia, a former German colony located in southwest Africa. Namibia is an undeveloped nation, and we are appealing to you as world citizens. We need your fondue sets. Many people in the United States received these fondue sets as gifts for anniversaries, birthdays and housewarmings, and often put them up on a shelf and forget about them. There are thousands of Namibian housewives who could cheer up an otherwise dull dinner party with one of these sets. Oh, please think, please give, please send. We already have enough of the little sterno cans for underneath the sets from when the Germans were here, so only send the fondue pots themselves, and the long fark–forks if you have them. [Dissolve to address on green background] Our address is: Fondue Sets For Namibia, Box 180, Namibia, West Africa. [Dissolve back to Mbutu] Oh, and we would like to thank Mr. and Mrs. Norman Prager for sending us the Water-Pik and the deluxe toaster oven. [Raises fist] Thank you!
[ dissolve to audience shot, zoom in on woman with SUPER: “WEARING UNDERWEAR MARKED THURSDAY” ]
From: Saturday Night Live Transcripts
Season 1: Episode 19
Mark Mbutu…Garrett Morris
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75snamibia.phtml

india has thousands of miles of railroads, built by the british. not a single mile has been added since independence. corruption rules india.

James

Lets face facts. The world signed up to the Paris Accords because they wanted their fair share of that US $100 Billion every year that was promised by Obama. External Affairs minister Sushma Swaraj is just upset that India isn’t going to be getting any free US$ now that President Trump has pulled the US out of the Paris Scam.

2hotel9

It is all about the Benjamins! Nothing more and nothing less.