NPR: Most People Can't Imagine Climate Change

Lisa Feldman Barrett

Lisa Feldman Barrett. Author Bank Square Books, Attribution License, source Flickr

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

NPR author and psychologist Lisa Feldman Barrett thinks the reason people don’t care about climate change is most people can’t imagine what 120F feels like. But the reality is that Lisa is demonstrating her personal lack of insight.

Simulating The Bodily Pain Of Future Climate Change

September 23, 20179:03 AM ET

LISA FELDMAN BARRETT

Lisa Feldman Barrett is a professor of psychology at Northeastern University and the author of How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain. You can keep up with Lisa on Twitter: @LFeldmanBarrett.

Close your eyes and imagine a beautiful spring day in the forest. In your mind’s eye, try to see tall, green trees and smell the aroma of blooming flowers. Can you hear the gentle breeze rustling the leaves above you?

Most people can conjure up this mental scene without much effort, at least for a few moments.

Now, imagine that the temperature rockets upward. It’s 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Try to produce, in your mind, the discomfort you’d experience under that scorching sun. I don’t mean just the idea of being hot — actually try to feel the physical sensations of stifling, smothering heat. Can you invoke these feelings on demand?

Most people cannot.

If the sensory consequences of climate change are unimaginable to our government officials, what can we do? Perhaps we can help them feel those consequences directly. The next time a city like Las Vegas has a record heat wave, as it did in June of this year (117 degrees F), we could petition President Trump to travel there. Perhaps a three-day stay at Trump International Hotel — with the air conditioning turned off — would be swelteringly educational. Or shall we ask Vice President Pence to visit Nuatambu, one of the Solomon Islands northeast of Australia, where rising ocean levels have washed away half the habitable land and forced families to flee? Let him live there for a month or two. Or maybe Scott Pruitt, head of the Environmental Protection Agency, should survive on minimal drinking water for a few days, so he can understand viscerally what a drought feels like.

What our leaders cannot simulate, they can make themselves feel. All it takes is the courage to do so.

Read more: http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/09/23/552340651/simulating-the-bodily-pain-of-future-climate-change

One of my first jobs was working in a poorly ventilated rubber factory, operating hydraulic hot plates to produce pressed plastic products. I don’t have to imagine what 120F feels like, because in Summer I used to experience 120F pretty much every work day. Some days the temperature inside the factory hit 130F.

My experience is hardly unique – anyone who has worked a factory job or mining job in a place with warm summers has likely experienced similar conditions.

My friends tell me that when they worked day shift in the mines in the scorching hot Marble Bar region, with outside air pumped straight in through the ventilation system, 120F would have been welcome relief.

120F simply isn’t terrifying, for anyone who ever experienced similar temperatures on a regular basis. Uncomfortable, moderately unpleasant, but not a reason for panic.

But Lisa obviously doesn’t know any of this. So she creates specious theories within the limits of her personal experience of the world, of why attempts to frighten people about the horrifying climate pain people will experience on a 120F day fall flat; especially I suspect with working class audiences.

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Tom Halla

I worked in a cannery for a few years, in the cookroom with semi-trailer sized continuous cookers. It was perhaps 110 F (about 40 C), and very humid from venting steam. I don’t have to imagine such temperatures.

Pop Piasa

It was also that hot (during the ’80s) at the boiler/turbine control panels in the 1940s vintage power station I worked at. The units were used for daily cycling so on the 3-11 shift I had to go to the top of each of three 8-story boilers (near 150F) and close the main steam outlet valve (3ft handwheel). By the time the valve was shut my eyes would be so dry that I had to squint, despite goggles to keep the fly-ash out. then it was out on a catwalk balcony to cool down in the 90F summer sunset.

george e. smith

Hey Lisa, I don’t need to IMAGINE it. I just need to drive ten miles down the road to Los Gatos to actually experience it for myself.
Most of us also do not know what -94 deg. C (179K) “feels” like; but we can just go to the Antarctic Highlands in the middle of winter midnight and experience it for ourselves; or any other Temperature in an extreme range of about 150 deg. C min to max.
So how do you “feel” that people “feel” about being told what they “feel” about climate by a Psychologist who is 100% ignorant of ANY climate science whatsoever ??
G

Pop Piasa

She might want to ponder our planet’s amazingly narrow thermal range, and the immense presence of water that makes it happen that way. She might get some perspective on how and why climate actually changes.

jorgekafkazar

Bingo, Pop!

Don K

Really, all she has to do is get into a car parked in the NorthEastern University parking lot on a hot Summer afternoon in Boston. Boston is rather cool much of the year but it does reach 100F every now and then in Summer. (And usually a humid, nasty 100F at that). A parked car on a sunny day can easily reach 30-40F above ambient.

Wrusssr

Well said G.E. National Propaganda Radio (NPR) and the Propaganda Broadcast System (PBS) have no known unfiltered, independent news traits. It’s all sanitized, sanctified,and fitted to ‘The Bigger Picture’ for public consumption. A waste of time.

Dave in Canmore

Most people can’t feel climate change because a few TENTHS of a degree mostly at night IS UNNOTICEABLE.

george e. smith

Pop, our ” amazingly narrow thermal range ” is only a possible concurrent extreme range from about -94 deg. C to about +60 deg. C, and some say it might get as high as +90 deg. C on the hottest surfaces.
But on any ordinary northern midsummer day, that range, can routinely be from -70 deg. C to + 50 deg. C ALL AT THE SAME INSTANT OF TIME.
And we know; due to an argument by Galileo Galilei, that on any non-crossing line connecting those two extreme end points, one will find EVERY possible Temperature in that 120 deg. C total range.
And one can draw an infinite number of non crossing lines between any two points on a map of the globe, so there are an infinite number of places, that can have any possible Temperature between -70 deg. C and +50 deg. C And that range could be 150 deg. C instead of merely 120 deg. C
So NO ! we do not have an amazingly narrow thermal range on planet earth.
BUT, for the last 650 million years or so, the MEAN earth global Temperature has stayed between +12 deg. C and +24 deg. C.
And in almost any ordinary week the Temperature range in downtown Sunnyvale will vary much more than that 12 deg. C range of the global mean; some times more than 30 deg. F in less than 24 hours.
So I say ho hum to global warming. Wake me, when something important happens.
G

ripshin

George,
I believe pops was merely stating that the earth’s temperature range is pretty narrow compared to celestial bodies without an atmosphere.
rip

robertvd

Climate Change Just Changed
https://youtu.be/MS0qLhqaZDM

MRW

How about all the vets from Iraq? Temps on their tours of duty range from 120-135F. And they are doing it wearing full-cover uniforms and carrying 100 lbs of gear.
And what this einstein doesn’t know is that the CO2 count under the canopy of her “beautiful spring day in the forest” is 600 PPM. Standard.

Javert Chip

Lisa Feldman Barrett appears to be having difficulty envisioning the fact that climate models are laughably wrong….
…but then she’s psychologist (aka wanna-be scientist). She probably has difficulty with a lot of scientific concepts.

Leonard Lane

MRW & Javert
Yes, a Psychologist telling everyone about science is orders of magnitude harder than a physical scientist telling her about psychology.

M Seward

I also worked in an iron ore mine in the Marble Bar region of Western Australia and can attest to the fact that you just get used to it. It hits you when you step out of the nice aircondfitioned aircraft at say 9 am after flying up from Perth and its already 40˚C (104˚F) but a week later its just another day at the office.
Lisa Feldman Barrett just sounds like one of those psychs who encourage people to snivel their way through life. Oh the pain, oh the pain. I imagine it ensures lots of repeat business though, so good for the economy.

I spent a few days in the Great Sandy up that way in the early 90’s and experienced 120F, but these clods *really* need to go talk to some botanists – everything they claim seems to ignore the entire plant kingdom’s role in life on this rock – while they’re at it they can go visit an actual greenhouse.. and see how greenhouses actually work – and for an added benefit they can dip their toes into a hothouse or two.
Working in plant nurseries as my wife and I did when younger we’d be experiencing temperatures of 68C /150F . Of course at those humidity levels and at that temperature you didn’t work inside for long before heading out and recovering for a few minutes but I tell you, stepping from 150F into a scalding hot 100 day made that 100 degrees seem like heaven. It’s a perspective thing.. but it’s also not – it became quite apparent to anyone working there that a hot day was easily tolerable once you acclimatized to it and the cleverer folk quickly learned 20 min in the hothouse mean the rest of a *hot* day felt like a mild spring day.
Going to South East Asia many years later I found workers huddled in jackets rubbing their hands in the the morning to stay warm when the temperature dropped as low as 30C (86F) staring at my wife and I asking ‘HOW are you not freezing!?’ – again, they acclimatized to their climate and ‘hot’ and ‘cold’ to them was a different range to me and mine from Perth, Oz.

M Seward

@Karl,
I live in Tasmania now and going back to Perth in winter is a giggle. The locals are all rugged up in their padded jackets and boots n beanies huddled by the fire in some restaurant and I walk in in shorts and a rugly shirt then sit ouside. Nyuk, Nyuk.

Wally
Pat Kelly

The canard here is that you don’t need to imagine 120 degrees. Simply imagine the difference between 57 degrees and 58 degrees, because that’s what global warming actually is…
mic drop

I grew up in Southwest Kansas, elevation 3200 ft. During the summer we had brutal heat (110-115). At least it was low humidity. During the winter we had brutally cold sub-zero on a regular basis. So what? it was the weather! The reason we do not attribute our climate to human activity is because what we have now is within the range of natural variability. The far-left loonies think CO2 drives the climate. The truth is there are many factors that affect climate, some we probably do not know about, and clearly we do not understand all the dynamic relationships. The climate seems to be a chaotic, random, nondeterministic system beyond the four seasons. That the left refuses to see the Sun as the biggest factor in our climate proves they are dim-wits with sever mental disorders.

Michael Jankowski

It’d certainly can be more than uncomfortable and potentially dangerous (e.g., people can die stranded in Death Valley). But what this has to do with climate change is beyond me. Which regions are going to jump from comfortable current temps to 120 degrees? And we could just as easily lock people in freezers for hours and say, “See? Do you really care if no place on earth stays this cold? Don’t you want it warmer?”

Bingo. NO ONE thinks AGW will produce 120 degrees. The warming will mostly be less cold in the coldest times and places. AGW, even in the most extreme scenarios/models only raises the highest temps by a degree or two.

Pop Piasa

She certainly has an uninformed climate scenario in her head. Maybe she should just stick to counseling the cuckoos in her circle.

george e. smith

NOBODY actually needs to be in +120 deg. F air temperature to know what it “feels” like.
It will get much hotter than that right on your skin, if you are just out in direct sunlight on a summer day.
I remember reading detailed NEWS reports about USA troops and no doubt coalition ally troops in Iraq being in +134 deg. F temperatures, wearing their full battle gear.
So Lisa, if you “feel” the urge to get lost; please do so.
G

MarkW

In places where it’s 119.5 now, 120 degrees could be possible.

Eamon Butler

Exactly my thoughts. I assume that regions that are in ”danger” of experiencing 120F, already endure similar temps now. Or does she think everywhere on the planet will have a uniform temperature. It’s a non runner of an argument. Totally meaningless. She should try to imagine living in the real world.

MarkW

As an academic, imagining the real world is as close as she’s ever likely to get.

A C Osborn

She doesn’t seem to understand much about real life.
The temperature increase bandied about by the AGW folk is 2 degrees C or approx. 3 degrees F over 80-100 years. Does she really think that people can’t accomodate that when they can go from 65 F to 80 F when they go on holiday or -10 to +100 from winter to summer?

Eric

Most academics have no real world experience. They’ve been living on public funds for all of their working lives and have never had to really deal with reality. They are clueless, think that they are gods, and we the unwashed masses should listen to them without question.

It’s about collectivism not science or climate. Until the “skeptic” base solidifies on that fact the social decline junk science politics grows and expands.

texasjimbrock

Reminds me of the old joke about the guy whose son finally got his PhD. “He got a BS, then a MS, and finally a PhD.” “Yeah, I know all about that”, replied his friend, “BS…you know what that is, MS…more of the same, and PhD…piled high and deep.” Sounds about right.
Jim B, JD. (JD…just dreamin'”

Stan Vinson

Eric, you have hit the nail squarely on its head. We used to say they live in an ivory tower, but it all means the same….no real world experience.

Joe _ the Non climate scientist

Old Adage – Those that can Do – the others teach

Joe _ the Non climate scientist

Second reply to Eric – “Most academics have no real world experience”
For an example – I worked in my profession for 2 years, then went back to grad school while working full time. One of the final courses was taught by a professor that had written several textbooks that were widely used (approx 1/3 of the programs though out the US used his textbooks). By the time I took his class, I had been working in the industry for approx 5 years.
I was essentially the co-instructor in that class. 5 years real world experience dealing with real problems with real money vs 25-30plus years of academia.

Trebla

I would say, YES! Indeed, let’s imagine 120 degrees, and at the same time, let’s imagine your air conditioner being run off wind turbine generated electricity. Let’s imagine you are in Puerto Rico right now with no electricity and let’s imagine your utility decides to install wind turbines to get the power back on. Then let’s imagine another hurricane comes along and let’s imagine the turbines operating in a 100 mph wind. Isn’t this fun, imagining all the bad stuff that happens when it gets a little warmer, without having to deal with those annoying little details like reliable, on-demand energy?

Tejas

I see that Lisa Feldman Barrett has thunder biceps. I really want to know how well she can cognitively function.
My bet is outside her field not well at all. Within her field she is just coasting to a halt.
Neurobiological effects of physical exercise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurobiological_effects_of_physical_exercise

TABS: The Academic Blnker Syndrome.

Ed Bo

I like to point out to people that the mainstream estimates of projected warming from AGW over the next century are less than the present “urban heat island” warming of a major city.
So if you want to know what this warming would feel like, simply drive from the rural surroundings of a large city through the suburbs and into the urban area. There, you’ve done it!

Kirk

I worked in a bakery for 9 years or so and 4 months out of every one of those years it was often 120F in the building while I worked in front of an oven. It wasn’t pleasant but I’m not terrified. I could show up to work with a major hangover, drink plenty of water and “sweat it out” in an hour or so. I also experience climate change 4 times a year and have since birth so I can more than imagine it and would prefer warming over cooling to be sure.

Try playing cricket on the wharf at Khorramshahr between 2 and 4 pm on a nice sunny day. I have done this, and it was completely bearable. Unfortunately I did not have a thermometer to check the temperature, but up the Gulf in summer it does get pretty warm!
Where she goes wrong is in thinking that temperature is the only important parameter. It is not. Humidity is just as, if not more, important. If the Relative Humidity is 2% it is totally OK for thermometer temperatures over 100. If the RH is about 97% then it gets very uncomfortable, even if the temp is far lower. I found this that day in Khorramshahr, after the game, as I retired to my cabin, with my breath pushing out water vapour the RH very quickly rose from the 2% that it had been from the fresh air leaking into the cabin, to something far higher – probably the aforesaid 97%, an within minutes the sweat was pouring off me, too fast to evaporate, not that it could with that RH, and the only thing to do was to sit outside in the shade and fan myself.
Our engineers used to go into the boilers before they had totally cooled down, so as to reduce time the boilers were off power. Not quite red hot, but still blistering hot – rephrase that, still bloody hot.

jorgekafkazar

“Mad dogs and Englishmen,” what?

Auto

Bandar Mahshahr [transliterated spelling only. Honest] – now Bandar Khomeini; my first visit to the Oil Gulf in 1973. 38000 ton deadweight steel oil tanker to load (heated) Fuel oil. Anchored just off the berth for – I think – about twelve hours.
Temperature on the Bridge wing at noon [inside a Stevenson screen type white wooden box, but exposed to radiative radiation from the steel deck) – 112 F [about 44.5 C].
Move the screen into the sun for five minutes – 130 F – say 54.5 C – still in the screen.
At the bottom of a thirty-plus valve pumproom – more than half of which had to be swung with 18″ [‘half-metre] valve wheels, manually, it was reportedly 170 F – over 75 C. And it was a fifty-some feet climb back up to cooler, fresher air [at 112 F].
The fuel oil is heated to about 50 C – to make it flow easily.
It is the bottom of the crack – too viscous to go for road- mending; at 10 C you can pick up a double handful, and wait f-o-o-o-r-evvverrrr for it to ooooooze out of your hands.
Only there for a day and a half. I was very, very grateful to leave.
I think everyone on board was, in truth.
Did a dry-dock in Dubai a few years ago – in August [would I have chosen then, there? No.]
Even there it was over 50 C – over 122 F – for much of the afternoon watch – 1200-1600 local time. And humid, which didn’t help the hull painting!
And the psychologist in the head comment struggles to get her head round a possible 2 C (3.6F) rise in average temperatures. As noted above most of the rise is in cold temperatures in cold places [even if the models – suddenly, miraculously [we’re doing religion, no?] are right ] and at night.
|And the data is cherry picked – haw many met observing stations are no longer contributing to data sets – perhaps because they are rural show little or no warming, so ‘need’ to be purged? How many are at airports, with copious tarmac and jet exhausts?]
I reckon the difference in temperature between my kitchen and my adjacent conservatory at about 1000 local today [Clear and sunny autumn morning in South London] was certainly over 10 C. Ish.
And the good trick-cyclist is concerned about a (possible, modelled, with potentially imperfect [HAH!!! /SARC] data) 2 C rise – over 80 or 100 years???
Straining to swallow a gnat?
Auto

she doesnt understand the terms clearly she is calling some wild IDIOCY about runaway warming = climate change…….she doesnt understand getting cooler is also climate change……she doesnt know the climate is NOT some force, has no power, and does NOT cause either warming or cooling…..the climate stats come AFTER the changes in weather have been ongoing.

Jimmy Haigh

I’m a geologist.

Hugs

Why? Inquiring mind wants to know.
The head post describes insanity based on total lack of comprehension with some good chutzpah.

Neil Jordan

Hugs, let me venture a guess about the “geologist” reply. Geologists work with geology, which the last time I checked is mostly outdoors where it isn’t air conditioned. My street creds: 1. Surveying, when it was so hot that the heat shimmers threw off the leveling. 2. Paper mill where the machine room had spot coolers and salt tablet dispensers at the drinking fountains. 3. Southwest US desert where it was so hot that the liquid crystal display turned all black. 4. I could go on and on, but the coddled NPR host needs to get out more, out of her comfort zone where she interacts with real people.

Sara

“…the coddled NPR hosts needs to gt out more…” Yeah, good luck with that.
I doubt she will go any place that doesn’t have air conditioning, and certainly not work in an office with an open window.
It’s strange, but I really cannot stand air conditioning. When I’m in a car, and the outside temperature is over 80F, the contrast between the car indoor temp and the outside temp is almost unbearable when I have to get out of that car. I would rather just live with the heat and the humidity. Fans are always good.
There was the summer of 1995 in Chicago when the indoor temp in my 1926 apartment building was so high from direct sun that bottles full of ice (frozen water!) which I removed from the freezer melted in barely 10 minutes. I had all the fans running, the windows open and got bags of ice from the corner store. The July 13 temperature reached 105F. 739 people died of heat -related causes, mostly because they were elderly, poor, lived in poor neighborhoods, were afraid, etc. Now when this kind of thing happens, which is rare, the city will open cooling centers. But that is a heat wave, not climate change. I think that was a summer when people started frying eggs on the sidewalks or car hoods, and sending the photos to TV stations. When has it NOT been hot enough to fry an egg on the sidewalk in the summer?
In 2003, Europe had a similar heat wave. France had 14,802 deaths from heat-related causes, mostly elderly people. That was 14 years ago. It seems to be repeating itself, with another heat wave and related deaths in 2015. And it’s just weather, nothing else.
Someone please try to get these people who are scare-mongering straightened out.
Climate is long-term change. Weather is short-term. How many times does this have to be repeated?

Klem

Several year ago I worked with a young geologist who was an ardent climate alarmist. It puzzled me why a good field geologist could possibly be an alarmist but I avoided debating the subject in order to maintain harmony with my coworkers. For some people it can be a very touchy subject.
I recently bumped into him again, and low and behold he is now a climate skeptic. He said his alarmism was based more on emotion than science and it took him awhile to figure that out. Smart guy.

higley7

NPR is always looking for excuses for their failure to convince people of the global warming scare. They also prefer to blame it on the people, them being somehow deficient in some way.
What is even more stupid or narrow in NPR’s thinking is that a warmer climate does not mean hotter highs at all. All you have is longer, not hotter summers and shorter, milder winters and you have the two degrees of warming they fear so much. Wow, a longer growing season, that’s going to be terrible, how will the world survive? In fact, simply warmer nights in the summer can result in a warmer climate as well. The assumption that warming means incredibly high temps a lot of the time or more often is entirely vacuous and based only on the needs of fear-mongering.

Goldrider

The fear-mongering exists to keep listeners’ attention, an imperative for continued funding. NPR is now an enclave of the leftist bubble, shrinking as the air is slowly sucked out of it by the nagging voice of Reality.
In their world everyone’s a victim, the earth is frying, transgenders are a positive, abortion is a feminist sacrament and Trump is Hitler. Only hopelessly indoctrinated bubble-dwellers can now stomach the inconsistencies, and even those diehards are getting tired of listening to Felonia von Pantsuit’s year of whining. I’d love to know exactly how much their donations are dropping.

MarkW

The standard leftist view is that the people ARE deficient in some way.
That’s why the believe we need to turn all important decisions over to them.

I support Kirk’s remarks. The ship’s Master was an alcoholic and on that day he had consumed a fair amount – normally given his history he would have been another two of three days before coming out of the ‘jag’ – that may not be the correct term, but it will have to do. He played cricket with us that afternoon, and wonder of wonders, that evening he was stone cold sober.
I recommend temps of 120F as a good hangover cure.
For the reverse, try standing on the stern of a ship while it navigates for hours while turning from the Scheldt into Siberia Dock in Antwerp, through the docks and cuttings, and eventually making her fast alongside. Four or five hours was not unusual, and this when the ice was thick on the river, such that when we left and passed Flushing, we could see a coaster’s crew standing overside on the ice to chip off the rust.
Warm is better!

Curious George

Don’t demand facts. The important thing is the NPR Message: TRUMP IS BAD.

Goldrider

NPR’s “news” has become nothing more than groupthink “comfort food” for the left’s lunatic fringe. You know it’s sinking when they’re still re-running long out of date “Car Talk” episodes discussing repairs on 1992 models.

jorgekafkazar

Hey, people still drive those ’92 models.

Roger Knights

Car Talk reruns stopped two weeks ago—alas.

Joe Crawford

To me NPR seems to have moved a bit toward the center in their news forecasting. This seems to have occurred slowly, over time, since the Republicans took over Congress and they (PBS) fired Juan Williams. They still have a passel of extreme lefties as managers, commentators and show hosts so I imagine it’s the bean counters that are trying to force a little balance at least in the actual news stories so that Congress will leave them and their funding alone.

John Bell

But of course Lisa keeps on using fossil fuels, driving a car, flying on jets, turning on the lights, heating the house, but she wants to think that the government should make energy from wind and solar. She is naïve.

jorgekafkazar

She may be naïve, but I’ll bet she can quote more Marx, Engels, and Lenin than you can.

Ill Tempered Klavier

I’ll take that bet 😉 😉 I can quote more (Harpo) Marx and (John) Lennon than she can, and play the music better too 😉 😉

drednicolson

Or would want to.
As an amusing aside, Engels was independantly wealthy and frequently paid Marx’s rent, so the deadbeat academic could keep writing about the proletariat without having to join it.

John W. Garrett

One more in a never-ending daily barrage of NPR advertorials and sermons promulgating the CAGW pseudoscience.
NPR really has become a propaganda broadcast operation. Every time I hear the sanctimonious hypocrites claim the mantle of journalistic balance and even-handedness, I roll my eyes in disgust.
NPR’s crack investigative journalists don’t do much investigating when it comes to climate science. Christopher Joyce and Adam Frank simply regurgitate religious dogma.

Most people can’t imagine global communism as a positive force, the actual lament found at NPR and climate group daily.

Tom Judd

“Close your eyes and imagine a beautiful spring day in the forest.”
Many many years ago I was on a family camping trip. Unlike camping trips with friends, where the first things we would “imagine” on a “beautiful spring” morning in the forest would be a hangover, this was a family camping trip (being a little repetitious here but it’s necessary practice for dealing with climate warriors). And, on a family camping trip it’s neither wise nor legal to be unduly inebriated around children.
Did I say children? My brother’s eight year old son was present. And this boy, on that “beautiful spring day” did not get bitten to smithereens by mosquitoes, mauled by a raccoon, stung by a bee, or contract Lyme disease. But, on this “beautiful spring day” he did discover a tick on a uniquely male part of his not fully developed eight year old anatomy.
The other family members begged, pleaded, and implored our lovely brother in law not to joke about this with the eight year old because we knew, for the remainder of that weekend, and perhaps eternity, that young’ un would forever gleefully chant what my brother in law was about to say.
But, he said it anyway.
Let this be a lesson to all those global warming obsessed psychologists who implore us to “imagine a beautiful spring day in the forest” because in the real world us normals may not conjure up the same thing,
Instead, the first thing that may come to mind about a “spring day in the forest” may be a “tick on the dick.”

AZ1971

Oh. My. God.
I can’t tell you how hard I was laughing at your story but suffice it to say there were quite a few tears trickling down my cheeks. Fond memories of childhood will forever take place no matter what the climate is like 20, 50, 100 or 10,000 years from now. Thanks for starting my Sunday off on a high note!

John M. Ware

I got a “tick on the dick” several years ago and tried to remove it myself; I got only part of it. I called my doctor, who said to get in to see him right away. Quite expertly and gently, he removed the rest, washed my affected part with some truly potent anti-whatevers, and lectured me about the diseases ticks in Virginia are known to carry (which was mainly a direction to come to him immediately if that should happen again, which it hasn’t). I can’t recall whether I got an injection; but my doctor took the absolute minimum of risks. Ticks are no joke!

John A Curran

She should move to the Coachella Valley. We have temps above 115 F a lot and it reached 122 F twice this past summer. It is like this every year in Palm Springs, Rancho MIrage, La Quinta, Indio, etc. We don’t have to imagine it, we live here.

alexei

Don’t expect any kind of reasonable argument or a balance of views from NPR on the subject of AGW. Indeed it’s quite astonishing how they manage to insert references to it in interviews and programs quite unrelated, as if it flowed into nearly every aspect of life. Their continual reported mis-facts is often breathtaking, to the point where one has to wonder if they’re genuinely naive and ignorant adherents to the cause – like so many in the general public – or are simply following Goebbels’ prescription of repeating a lie often enough…..

Notice how all of these people seem to think they need a strongman to prevent global warming.
And they need one NOW, not yesterday. I get tired of these one-way claims in which the media makes no attempt to challenge these claims. Why does she think anyone needs to do anything? Isn’t it obvious that 1) electric cars are about to take over and 2) advanced nuclear power technology will dominate power generation, for economic reasons if nothing else ?

texasjimbrock

Art: The greenies think that wind and solar will displace oil and gas because of economics. Yet, in today’s Houston Chronicle, the business columnist weeps that new installations of both will come to a screeching halt when the tax credits expire. Some economics!

MRW

Ditto with the cars. I read this the other day somewhere. The subsidies for electric cars goes away as soon as they’ve sold 200,000. (Someone can correct me if I’m wrong.)

Ellen

I believe one of their louder complaints is that we already have a strongman of sorts, and they don’t like them. Perhaps “strongman” has not been done properly, previously, but they think they’ll get it right this time.

MarkW

The left has always favored the strongman form of government. So long as it’s their strongman.

Major Meteor

I’ll have to fact check the fleeing families from Nuatambu. It sounds like these poor families woke up one morning with their furniture floating.

R. Shearer

Those reef islands were about 100 m lower 10,000 years ago.

Mark from the Midwest

I’ve been in Stovepipe Wells in July, I don’t need to imagine what 120 degrees feels like, and I’m still not concerned about AGW

Bruce Cobb

Most people can’t imagine an attack by space aliens. Imagine yourself on a beautiful Spring day. There’s a gentle breeze wafting through your hair, birds are chirping, bees are buzzing, and butterflies drift by. In the distance can be heard the joyful cries of children as they romp, with an occasional dog barking. Suddenly, from out of nowhere giant spacecraft appear, and there are blinding flashes of light. In an instant your world is turned upside down. As you are dying a horrible death, you think to yourself, if only Trump had done something, and then you think, I hope he’s getting what he deserves and then some, because that makes you feel better.

Mark from the Midwest

I have 3 daughters, one just out of college, one just entering college, and one that’s a junior in high school. On top of that my wife believes that none of them is capable of doing any wrong. In a metaphorical sense I’m under constant attack by space aliens.

John G

I can. Just imagine the alien space commander planting the alien flag in the President (who looks suspiciously like Jack Nicholson) then all you have to do is wait for Slim Whitman to sing “Indian Love Call” and explode all the alien’s heads. Works for me. Thought aide:

jorgekafkazar

I’d forgotten what a hilarious romp Mars Attacks was. I have a copy somewhere. I was SciFi fan in the 50’s, and it replicated the classic films’ atmosphere perfectly, right down to the non-functional little parabolic antennae on the Martians’ electronics.
“We come in peace,” they say. How come nobody asks why there are so many of them if they come in peace? That many aliens is obviously an invasion.

Robert W Turner

I imagine when we can just ask Dust Bowl survivors and read accounts of what 120 F on the plains feels like. Oh that’s right, those temperatures never happened and needed adjusted out of existence, people were just sensationalist and weak back then compared to today.

Mydrrin

It makes sense to her. That speaks volumes.

MarkW

Even the alarmists have given up trying to claim that AGW is going to warm the planet by more than 3 to 5C.
Where the heck did this 120F nonsense come from?

barryjo

Just her 15 minutes of fame.

I Came I Saw I Left

The reason people don’t care about c̶l̶i̶m̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶n̶g̶e̶ space invaders is most people can’t imagine what 1̶2̶0̶F̶ being zapped by a laser gun feels like

Sunsettommy

Wow!
What a load of babbling drivel that was,since large areas of the world will NEVER get above 100 F. Her silly essay died immediately.
Meanwhile people living in HOT Phoenix Arizona and HOT Las Vegas Nevada where it is really hot, stay there anyway.

John Leggett

Not only stay they move there from places like Chicago and Buffalo where the January highs average 33 degrees and the lows average around 20. If you are AGW fanatic I expect you believe that people are migrating in large numbers from the south to Alaska. If you believe the AGW stuff you are terrified by the difference in climate between Atlanta Ga and Washington DC. Having moved from Washington to Atlanta the heat did not scare me.

Trebla

Imagine you’re a Canadian snowbird, and it’s mid January in Montreal, you’re freezing your backside off and you get the news that you’ve won a 3 week all expenses paid trip to Miami, but the temperature there happens to be 120 degrees, so you graciously decline the offer.

oeman50

I have worked in the summer in a building with a steam boiler, quite warm, thank you. I also was outside on a scorcher of a day on duct work taking data. We had to record the ambient temperature, it was 125F.

texasjimbrock

NPR? Is it still on air? And as to global warming: Sure, the globe is warming. We are in an interglacial period during which the globe warms up, after it quits warming we are back into an ice age. And: the catastrophists still haven’t explained why CO2 levels alway lag behind temperature increases. Purely political.

The Reverend Badger

It would be helpful if all those posting articles would remember this blog has a world wide audience. The abbreviation NPR is one I never heard of and means nothing to me. Had to go and look it up.

I Came I Saw I Left

Double click obscure word to highlight, then right-click and select “Search [default search engine] for [selected word/phrase]” from menu. I have to do it all of the time. It’s easy.

The Reverend Badger

I know its easy but if post writers bear my point in mind it wouldn’t be necessary and thus make for a better read ( you don’t have to veer off elsewhere).

Michael 2

“Double click obscure word to highlight, then right-click and select “Search [default search engine] for [selected word/phrase]” from menu. It’s easy.”
I had no idea that this could be done. Easy yes, obvious no.

ClimateOtter

OK IYSS WDS PDQ

Neil Jordan

Thanks. I checked PDQ – People Dedicated to Quality.

TA

National Public Radio (NPR), Reverend.

The Reverend Badger

I know, I looked it up!

Michael 2

(United States of America) “national”. I suspect the Russians have a national public radio, UK certainly does and is paid by license fees, and so on.

Juan Slayton

McIntyre has a useful acronym list at climateaudit.org. I need it from time to time.

u.k.(us)

Good point.

Yes, there are some snow and ice enthusiasts, but the majority of people in temperate climates go — or want to go warmer regions for vacations. Ideally, the sunny beach somewhere in the tropics. I’ve lived and worked in hot and cold climates and as others have said, warmer is better.

Steve Oregon

Another academic revealing how their lofty education can fail to provide them any authentic wisdom, common sense, savvy or obligation to honesty.
To be cruel, many of them are simply weirdos, oddballs, creeps and/or chronic dumbshats.

Goldrider

I’m discovering these days that it’s now possible for those with a “lofty education,” certainly a name-brand one, to graduate without the remotest understanding of how human biology even works; hence the popularity of “health” products like Gweneth Paltrow’s “Goop!” (Look it up if you want some laughs).

Lisa has never heard of sauna? It’s a room heated usually +80°C, 176 F, and above. Some people can enjoy it for an hour.

Hugs

Yes, the regular setup is +80C. Hot sauna is 90 or 100 C. I enjoy it cool, just +50C or +60C warm. I’m afraid my wife beats me in liking hot for long time.

jorgekafkazar

Good reminder. Lisa probably hasn’t heard of a lot of things.

Peter Morris

What an incredibly quaint and parochial view she has, pretending everyone in the world is as privileged as she is and has actually been to a forest. I think I’d have to explain things to her the way I would to my four-year-old.
One wonders how these simple, backward folk end up as professors at a university. I question both her position and her institution.

barryjo

As the saying goes: If you can’t do, teach. If you can’t teach, teach teaching.

mikewaite

This professor is completely misreading the way in which societies are moving .
A slight diversion will illustrate what I mean . Uber , a consumer led transport movement has been forbidden a licence to operate in London , in favour of the traditional and very expensive black cabs and in response to heavy union pressure on the London Mayor. Articles in the press suggest that for all the problems Uber has had ( I have never used them and have no connection with them) , it is favoured by millions of users because it synchronises with the technological control that they have to hand , and gives the consumer a choice: public transport , black cabs , unlicensed minicabs or Uber.
The climate action choices that this Professor demands are not in fact choices , but diktats from international; or Govt bodies in which the consumer has little or no say. This is contrary to the way society in countries without obvious oppressive control is moving , thanks to technology, and that is why there is an apparent scepticism amongst the general public.

R. Shearer

Good analysis.

Hoyt Clagwell

Lisa fails at the most basic emotional level by assuming that an increase in the global average temperature will necessarily present itself during the high temps of the summer months. The reality is that (pleasantly) warmer winters and early evening temperatures seems to be where the warming actually happens, if at all. The global temperature range seems to be the same as it ever was. That’s why the highest temperature ever recorded on Earth happened in 1913 and still remains the record.

Andrew

Yep. Australian records are very longstanding too – not just nationally, but at state levels too. (Cold records, not so much.)
She also ignores the fact that with maybe 1F of unadjusted warming seen in satellite data, that in such a place it would have been 119F without the alleged warming. No one would have been in Death Valley or Marble Bar in summer. And while people may have been in Riyadh anyhow, they’re not walking around the streets.

Andrew

I went to Bahrain in summer. It was 105F at NIGHT.

Scott Scarborough

Just sit in a sauna. Most people have. They are typically 175F. Look it up. Don’t have to imagine anything.

Hugs

Well I have to admit I would not like to live in a sauna, not for a day. On the other hand, projected 2 or 3 or even 6 degrees of warming are still pretty far from 175F.

spent one summer during college working in a rather large machine shop. My job was to pull the chips out from under those big old turret lathes and horizontal boring machines. This was up on the east coast where relative humidity would often reach 95% and higher with temps in the 90’s too. later in life, I did masonry work in central Texas, and then worked as a carver in a stone mill–quite similar to the machine shop of my youth. I know what high heat is like, and know that it is easily adaptable to. In fact, the first a/c vehicle I ever bought was in 2000, (my Texas stoneworking career started in72), and for a lot of years did not even live with A/C since the hardest part physically would be going back and forth from the A/C into the heat

sonofametman

Some time ago I worked on an oil rig about 120 km east of Derby WA in the Kimberly ranges. It was December, early summer in the build-up to the rainy season. Mostly about 40 C max, but we had a rainy/hot spell where it was 46 C in the shade in the afternoon,and very humid from the intermittent rain. Inside the logging unit we could get the temperature down to 30 C. My job was partly inside in the ‘cool’ 30 C, and partly outside. The drill crew were out in it all the time (shift changes were midnight and noon to share the heat and cool), and when they were busy and I was slack I’d go and re-fill the drink cooler at the camp. On the worst shift our crew of 7 got through 15 gallons of the Staminade. Hard physical work, not sitting on the porch fanning yourself. Nobody keeled over or died, we all just got on with it and looked after ourselves as the conditions dictated.
Definitely no ‘snowflakes’ on that job.

the old man

It only depends only on the l’atitude of the observer.. Move if you don’t like it where you are. Or it the real question I’d like you to have less than optimal colder because I don’t want hotter …

Nick Werner

I’ve shovelled a meter of snow off my roof when it was -35C and I’ve shovelled a meter of dirt out of a trench when it was +30C. I’ve seen the temperature “rocket up” by 5C during breakfast. I guess it would come as a surprise to this chirping academic that I CAN imagine an increase of 2-3C over 80 to 100 years… yawn.

EternalOptimist

I Close my eyes and imagine a beautiful spring day in the classroom. In my mind’s eye, I see tall, green trees and smell the aroma of blooming flowers I Can hear the gentle breeze rustling the leaves and see a room full of attentive faces.
I can conjure up this mental scene without much effort, at least for a few moments.
Can I imagine that scene as a professor spouting about how emotions are made ? I Try to produce, in my mind, the discomfort of mental gymnastics. I don’t mean just the idea of being thick— actually try to feel the physical sensations of being an arrogant other-worldly prig. I cannot invoke these feelings on demand
Most people cannot. So lets defund her. and them.

gnomish

close your eyes and imagine being retarded. most people can’t – so they listen to NPR!

UndercoverInAK

I spent a few years in Iraq at temperatures around 120-135°F. Not only was it really fricken hot, but then add a Kevlar (~3-4 lbs), Body Armor (~30-35 lbs), ruck (with about 2 gallons water, ~16 lbs), and carrying an M4 (~7.5 lbs) with 210 rounds of ammo (~5.5 lbs) just for added comfort. Was in many buildings without A/C and survived by drinking water, a lot of water (and not getting shot). Now live in AK where it is very fricken cold in the winter often getting down to -40°F in the winter. Operations are so much easier at 120-135°F than they are at -30 to -40°F. Fingers and toes work much better at hotter temps too. Light contract gloves provide protection vice mittens which gives no dexterity. All you have to do is drink A LOT of water and stay hydrated.
Point is I hung out at 120-135°F daily for prolonged periods of time (over 8-10 hours) with a lot of extra weight and wrapped in stuff (long clothes, contact gloves, boots, helmet, body armor) that does not allow sweat to evaporate and cool the body as intended. Way to survive was to drink A LOT of water. I challenge anybody to hang out at -40°F under same conditions for the same time frame without external heat. They will die, quickly.
Heat is not the issue. Cold is. My take.

Hugs

Well -40C is why we invented sauna, I guess. To melt people.
Frankly some people dig a hole to a lake and start fishing, angling through. In minus 40C.

UndercoverInAK

Yes, they do. And most (all that I have seen) people have a shed over the hole (or on the ice near several holes) that they warm up to 30°F or more which is 70°F warmer than -40°F. I have also started a fire on a frozen river at -40°F to stay warm. Burning wood melts ice the until logs sink under water (about 5″), but the fire stays going on wood which is dry and out of water. Pretty neat actually, a fire on a frozen river.
There is a huge difference between 30°F and -40°F. At -40°F, I can pound a 16 penny nail into a 2×4 with a frozen solid banana. When it gets back up to 30°F, we all start hanging out in shorts, forget about gloves, and some hardy folks actually begin wearing flip-flops.
Not saying people cannot survive at -40°F. However, I am saying without external heat, a person’s time at that temperature is very limited no matter how well dressed a person is (unless doing active work and still hands, feet, and face are at risk). Also, having been at very hot temps (~130-135°F) and very cold temps (-55°F), it is much easier to do work and survive at hotter temps even with a whole bunch of stuff that weighs a lot and prevents cooling via evaporation of sweat.

Gary Pearse

I had two clinical thermometers blow up in my luggage from heat that left wet tire tracks in the asphalt at Yelwa on the Niger R. in Northern Nigeria (I learned my regular thermometers wouldn’t do!) . I had my wife and two very young children with me (mid 1960s). There was no air-conditioning indoors but sitting having lunch under wafting fans seemed most luxurious.
Nor was the world into the collective OCD of never taking a step without lugging a bandolierr of water bottles. Nigerians I worked with advised only sips of water, about a liter on a day’s geological compass and pace traverse. Rehydrate in the evening on lots of tea and a cup or two at breakfast. He said ‘Bature’ drink far too much water in the heat. I got accustomed to it and became lean wiry and healthy. I haven’t quit yet 50yrs later.

Clyde Spencer

Gary,
I did my Summer Field Mapping for two months in the White Mountains at about 5,000 feet elevation, east of the Owens Valley in California. It was well over 100 every day. I’d carry two canteens and a couple of cans of soda, and get dehydrated every day. I’d then spend the evenings getting re-hydrated. I don’t think that there was any long-term damage to going without a bandolier of water bottles.

drednicolson

You’d probably sweat out as much extra water as the bottles would replace. Water is heavy!

I’ve noticed this getting some fitness up walking in some steep hills. Keeping hydrated during the walk is not a bad thing but it doesn’t help as much as keeping up the fluid intake for many hours afterwards.

johchi7

Tribe’s have lived in the Amazon under heat and humidity for a long time and adapted and this twit would not last a few day’s there. People adapt to slow changes and fast changes in climate and have throughout history everywhere on our planet. People living in climate controlled buildings most of their lives are whom complain the most when they venture outside where reality hits them.

“Most people” is the 97% science by consensus fallacy restated.
I dehydrated a large fraction of the world’s prunes in 1966. I worked in the engineroom of a Forties vintage steam ship. I walked in the heat in Pinnacles NM and Death Valley.

JimG1

Took 27 semester hours of various behavioral studies as electives in engineering undergraduate school and during my masters as they were interesting and easy. Only had one really bright professor and he also had his “stuff” together, as we used to say, though not how we said it. He was a psychoanalyst, ie phd, md, clinical psychologist to boot. All of the rest of my behavioral sciences professors were marginally interpersonally adept, at best, and personality basket cases at worst, and none of them, other than him, very bright. This lady fits the mold of what I experienced with rank and file psychology profs. Probably couldn’t find her kiester with both hands and a flashlight.

jorgekafkazar

A friend of mine took a 2-year graduate degree in Psych. She said the first year was mostly no-brainer survey courses with multiple choice exams that nobody could flunk. (To flunk them would deprive the school of tuition.) The second year was group-oriented, with team assignments where incompetent or lazy students were allowed to take a free ride on the more capable students’ work.
The curriculum included a laughably low requirement of 4 hours of personal therapy. I just checked the school’s latest curriculum and discovered that personal therapy is now “highly recommended.” Programs at other institutions have similarly lowered (deleted) the requirement, so this is not unusual in the field.
I pity the unfortunate client who goes for help to a practitioner who should have flunked out of such a program or been given a “Section 8” by a therapist. The standards have been irresponsibly ‘dumbed down’ below a safe level.

Sixto

I experienced 140 F on the tarmac in Kuwait, but not for long. However I worked in 120 F a number of times, including in Afghanistan.

Eustace Cranch

Notice that in almost every alarmist scare statement, there’s a stack of assumptions which are supposed to be taken as “givens”:
– It’s going to be 120 F. (somewhere? everywhere? now & then? every day?)
– That’s because the climate is getting dangerously warmer.
– That’s because humans are putting “too much” CO2 in the atmosphere
– Reducing CO2 will make the climate stop warming
– If you give governments enough money, authority & power they can “fix” the climate.
There is no evidence for any of these, except the first (barely).