Guardian Shocked that Florida Residents STILL Don't Buy their Climate Hype

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Guardian Reporter Ed Pilkington has been running around Marco Island Florida, desperately trying to find someone who thinks climate change is a problem.

Floridians battered by Irma maintain climate change is no ‘big deal’

On Marco Island, widespread destruction in Irma’s wake is not enough to make believers out of some climate change skeptics

They sat through hours of pummelling by Hurricane Irma, with winds pounding them at up to 115mph and rain driving in a solid white sheet as bright as a snow blizzard. Then on Monday, Floridians woke up to survey the damage, begin the cleanup and get back to carrying on regardless.

By noon, the jet skiers were back on the water, buzzing around the west coast waterways under a blue sky where only hours before Irma had shaken the trees and put fear in people’s hearts.

The catastrophe that had been forewarned over countless hours of rolling cable television appeared to have been avoided. But only narrowly.

For its lucky escape, the US has Cuba to thank, given that the northern coast of the island soaked up an important part of Irma’s energy before the storm reached Florida. Not that the debt of gratitude will be repaid by the current incumbent of the White House.

Chris Roche, 52, a real estate lawyer, was taking a long hard look at the damage to his home. Three trees were down in the yard, some tiles had come off the roof and there were signs of grey mud on the road – Irma’s calling card, dredged up from the seabed and deposited right outside his door.

This was the fifth or sixth hurricane he had sat through since he moved on to the island in 1979, he said with the nonchalance of someone discussing trips to the theater. He was more than a little skeptical of the warnings to evacuate which he had heard and duly ignored.

“They always tell us we will have a storm surge,” he said. “I know they are doing it for safety reasons, but I’ve never seen it happen.”

As for climate change? “I don’t think climate change is such a big deal.

Read more:

Hurricanes kill, but so do blizzards. Every place has its weather hazards. Hurricanes are not getting worse. Building wind turbines will do nothing to reduce the hazards of bad weather.

Only climate fanatics see anything unnatural about this year’s hurricane season.

Hyping up every storm is probably doing more to destroy the credibility of the green movement than anything climate skeptics write.

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September 11, 2017 6:36 pm

I am shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!!!!! That people who live in a hurricane zone don’t buy the Human Caused Globall Warmining lie. Their level of intelligence is shocking, I tell you!

Bryan A
Reply to  2hotel9
September 11, 2017 10:29 pm

For its lucky escape, the US has Cuba to thank, given that the northern coast of the island soaked up an important part of Irma’s energy before the storm reached Florida. Not that the debt of gratitude will be repaid by the current incumbent of the White House

The USA certainly would have Cuba to thank IF they had voluntarily taken upon themselves, as a selfless act, to bare the brunt of this storm so as to spare the USA the impact and damages that we might otherwise have experienced. But since it was Nature that steered the storm along the Cuban Northern Coast thereby diminishing its accumulated energy prior to the northward redirection, there is NO DEBT OF GRATITUDE owed to Cuba. Though I am most certain that the Trump Administration would be more than willing to assist Cuba to the same extent that they offer to assist Florida.

Reply to  Bryan A
September 11, 2017 11:59 pm

the main problem is that Pres Trump is not longer in charge of US foreign policy. Instead there has been an internal coup d’etat and he has been told to get with the program.
Rather than the better relations Trump seem honestly committed to, the US is trying to return to cold war politics and Cuba has just seen a reversal of the long over due easing of restrictions.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Bryan A
September 12, 2017 8:51 am

Both Fidel and Raoul Castro are mass murderers with blood on their hands. The Cuba Archive documents the murdered, the imprisoned, and the oppressed in Cuba. Nothing has changed.
One of the most nauseating events of the Obama administration was seeing an American president making happy face with that evil, bloody-minded murderer, Raoul Castro.
Following which Mr. Obama posed in front of an icon of Che Guevara, a sociopathic murderer in his own right, and Fidel Castro’s personal hatchet man. Utterly shameful.
There should be no easing of relations with Cuba while those monsters remain in charge.

Reply to  Bryan A
September 12, 2017 11:00 am

Fidel be in imperfect. Raoul will be in imperfect very soon. Neither of those two suffer if the people is punished.
Just get over it. The crisis of Cuba was long time ago. Nothing good comes from keeping cold war warm in Cuba.
Also, very many people have blood in their hands, yet life has to continue. Keeping Cubans suffering is not what Jesus would do.
PS Guardian was really really stupid.

paul courtney
Reply to  Bryan A
September 12, 2017 1:00 pm

Sarc alert, and a pre-apology to Bryan-Bryan A., you ignorant slut! The consensus of climate scientists establishes as fact that the promiscuous burning of fossil fuel in the evil USA has caused CAGW; meanwhile, the innocent people of Cuba emit less CO2 than in the 1950’s (they still have the same cars, just no gasoline). Therefore, the evil USA caused the hurricane, causing the heroic Cuban people to suffer for our sins. It’s basic physics!

Reply to  Bryan A
September 12, 2017 2:49 pm

” . . . the main problem is that Pres Trump is no longer in charge of US foreign policy.”
Uh-huh. Once you a get fix on The Big Lies, little bullspit alarms tend to go off in your head for each of them. When the prez memorialized 9/11 with a rerun of government gobbledygook about Von Arab and his famous flying terrorist machines hitting the Twin Towers and Pentagon, the latter performing a mysterious aerial maneuver that amazed even experience pilots, while still another crashed into the Pennsylvania countryside and its site was completely looted of all wreckage by the time uninitiated reporters arrived and wondered where the wreckage went. Meanwhile, back at the Pentagon, employees marched smartly around the Pentagon picking up light scraps of metal (wrecker must have hauled off the aircraft engines) while a BBC (?) lady breathlessly announced the ‘collapse’ of WTC 7 when it was clearly visible standing in the background (cut to snow), I knew he’d seen The Light.
And if you’re still wondering where those trillions went on 9/11 well, gosh darn it, nobody seems to know that either.

Reply to  2hotel9
September 12, 2017 12:22 am

The Guardian was running “live” blog running commentary on Irma for two days. This included a comment, then a “what we know so far” and a “summary” all of which included a claim that there was a risk of storm surge of “up to 15ft above ground level” , this later increased to 17ft.
This was initially linked to an NHC bulletin as the source of the info but when you clicked on the link you find that the NHC was warming of 4 to 6 ft, not 17ft. The second post, linked to first claim instead of to NHC.
I sent a email to the journo, Martin Farrer who wrote this garbage pointing out the mistake and suggesting he correct it. No reply. Two hours later I sent a second one and CC’ed the editor, including the comment:
I previously brought this to your attention and you ignore that and
persist with the false reporting.
This is intentionally misleading at this stage. Please desist.
This time I got a reply:

Hi Greg
Thanks for pointing that out. I’ll go back in check it out and will correct it.

This never happened.
I sent a third, asking why they were taking so long to correct a simple error and saying that at this point is was deliberate misinformation.
Yesterday evening I got a reply from one of the “readers’ editors” saying the second instance had been corrected. I was unable to verify this because by this time it was not longer headline news and I could not find the relevant post to see whether it had been changed.
In other words, they deliberately chose not to correct this grossly exaggerated claim until it was too late, no longer headline news and everyone who reads their rag had gone away with the idea that there would be massive storm surges higher than a house rushing into the Florida coast.
For the record the actual storm surge at Naples was around 5ft. Bang in the middle of the range in the NHC bulletin.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 1:40 am

The Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce.

That’s what the “Graudian” folks say. Compared to the reactions you experienced I dare say that every cent or penny spent on a “Graudian” edition is a sheer waste of money, a contribution to alarmist propaganda. Don’t feed the Trolls – don’t feed the liars either.

Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 5:24 am

Why is the Guardian so intent on destroying its own credibility with stupid, avoidable errors like this?

Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 6:54 am

It almost sounds like you were surprised by this?

Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 7:49 am

Guardian exists to proselytize leftism/marxist . Credibility is the least of their worries.

Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 2:26 pm

There are records dating back more than 400 years of Atlantic hurricanes and severe storms all the way from the Caribbean to Newfoundland.
Maybe the U.K. MSM should check the facts before publishing something.

Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 4:59 pm

The Weather Network, June 16, 2013
‘From Juan to Hazel and beyond: A look back at some of Canada’s worst hurricanes’
1775 – The Great Newfoundland Hurricane
Page also has a link to: “worst tornadoes in Canadian history”

Reply to  2hotel9
September 12, 2017 2:30 pm

Hee hee. The climate alarmists are getting more & more desperate…. I love it.

Michael Smith
Reply to  2hotel9
September 12, 2017 5:41 pm

So, a catastrophe avoided somehow is proof positive of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming!

September 11, 2017 6:36 pm

And we get another landfall on exactly September 10th. The way the hurricane frequency peaks so sharply on that date may be the strongest case against hurricanes being driven by global warming. The temp obviously doesn’t peak like that.
Something else is driving this train.

Reply to  Mike Slay
September 11, 2017 7:06 pm

Annual seasonal change. That is why this time of year and this part of the globe, has been called “Hurricane Season” for a long time. That we have had a hurricane drought for twelve years is random chance. There is no evidence this has anything to do with human activity. The weather depressions are born off the west coast of Africa and cross the Atlantic to get here. Get a grip.

Reply to  pyeatte
September 11, 2017 8:52 pm

Get a grip? Did you miss the word “against” in my post?

Reply to  pyeatte
September 16, 2017 12:58 pm

I presumed he was just making an offhand remark and not actually directed to you Mike to “get a grip”.
Could be wrong.

Reply to  Mike Slay
September 12, 2017 11:50 am

Solar Eruption
Sep 11, 2017
Sunspots are declining, over all, but they continue to occur.
The total sunspot number peaked in 2014, so the Sun is entering what should be a quiet phase, as discussed in a recent Picture of the Day. However, in early September 2017 the Sun erupted with several powerful solar flares. Solar flares are classified according to their X-ray output: C-class flares possess X-ray measurements in the 10^-6 watts per square meter range (W/m^2), while X-class flares can exceed 10^-4 W/m^2. On September 6 the Sun exploded with an X2.2 and then an X9.3 flare, after unleashing several less powerful events earlier in the week. The X9.3 incident was the eighth largest solar flare ever recorded.
Since the number of visible sunspots varies according to a 22-year cycle, the Sun remained relatively spot-free for the last several months, because solar maximum reached its peak potential in 2014 and solar minimum is taking place. That decline in electromagnetic activity was unexpectedly interrupted by the flare events in September.
In an Electric Universe, the Sun occupies a positive space charge sheath with respect to the interstellar medium (ISM): an anode terminal connected to galactic power circuits. Those circuits are of unknown length, and unknown potential, but they probably include influences that encompass thousands of cubic light-years. The electromagnetic energy moving through those galactic “transmission lines” is also unknown, but astronomers constantly report their amazement at the power of solar flares.
The Sun’s heliospheric boundary is a double layer “cocoon”, isolating it from galactic plasmas flowing through the ISM. Voltage differences occur within the heliosphere, so the Sun experiences charge/discharge phenomena related to variable electrical input from the Milky Way. Therefore, sunspots and flares most likely derive from changes in its electrical supply, indicating cyclic input from its galactic circuit.
Consensus astrophysicists believe that “acoustical wave-guides” carry hot gas from inside the Sun. Their work uses hydrodynamic models to explain how electromagnetic radiation escapes the solar interior. In their models, solar flares are caused by so-called “magnetic reconnection” in the Sun’s atmosphere that short circuit its “magnetic field lines”. “Magnetic energy” then accelerates “superheated gas” into space. That hot gas is said to travel outward because kinetic effects “push” it.
An alternative to kinetic energy is an electrically active Sun, which means that electric discharges penetrate the solar photosphere, allowing electric charge to flow into its depths. Electromagnetic flux tubes, rather than acoustical wave-guides, expose the Sun’s darker, cooler interior. An important consideration regarding weather on Earth is that those flux tubes connect the Sun’s electromagnetic field directly to Earth’s ionosphere. How does that connection manifest in Earth’s environment?
Solar flares increase Earth’s auroral displays when they encounter its electromagnetic fields, so the conclusion is that flares are composed of charged particles. Since they follow Earth’s polar cusps, they are electrical in nature. On September 7, 2005 an X17 solar flare impacted Earth’s magnetosphere, knocking out radio transmissions and overloading power station transformers. Is it a coincidence that hurricanes Katrina (August 29th) and Rita (September 23rd) occurred on either side of the fourth largest X-flare ever recorded?
Further evidence for solar electrical influence is that, 12 years later, hurricanes Harvey and Irma (with the highest wind speeds of any Atlantic hurricane) were spawned during a time when the eighth largest solar flare ever recorded detonated on the Sun. At similar periods in the solar cycle, within days of each other, violent electromagnetic changes in the Sun initiated violent weather events on Earth.
Electric stars, like the Sun, generate electric fields. Whenever there is charge separation in a plasma, an electric field appears. That field accelerates charged solar particles, forming coherent flows of electric charge throughout the Solar System, otherwise known as Birkeland currents. When electricity builds up beyond a trigger point within the Sun’s inductive fields, solar plasma discharges at near relativistic velocities—solar flares could be like tremendous lightning bursts on the Sun.
Electric Universe advocate, Wal Thornhill wrote:
“No one has any basis for saying what the largest matter expulsions from the Sun may be. It is obvious from looking at powerful mass expulsion activity in active stars and galaxies that gravitational models are inadequate to explain what is going on. Gravity is an attractive force only. Recourse to magnetic field behavior magically divorced from electric currents serves merely to reinforce the mystical quality of modern physics without telling us anything about the true cause.”
Stephen Smith

Reply to  Thx1138
September 15, 2017 3:26 am

So what I got out of this is with the close proximity of the solar flares that actually hit earth might have caused this surge to be so strong.. That is interesting I believe something like that happened also in 1933 which still holds the highest wind speed to date.. Not saying 135mph isn’t awful but its not the number 1 spot though like they all want to make it out to be. I however wish more data was put forth into this to see if there is a connection between solar active and hurricanes, but no wants to do things for free.

NW sage
September 11, 2017 6:36 pm

Someone needs to point out to the ‘fake’ news folks pushing the climate change agenda:
“You want Climate Change? Go live in Panama City, Panama for 2 years – then move to Fairbanks, Alaska for 2 years — THAT’S Climate Change!”

September 11, 2017 6:36 pm

The butchers bill is yet to arrive, but the minimized damage may be more to do with improved construction methods.

Cold in Wisconsin
Reply to  rocketscientist
September 11, 2017 7:59 pm

Is that called “adaptation?”

Reply to  rocketscientist
September 11, 2017 8:24 pm

“Not that the debt of gratitude will be repaid by the current incumbent of the White House.”
Do they really think that the random acts of nature create an indebtedness for those down wind of the event? We owe Cuba for being in the path of the hurricane? Really? They did not move Cuba to be in the path and sacrifice themselves to lessen the damage to us. Why on Earth would be owe them anything. Nature is what it is.
If Cuba had thrown itself in the hurricane’s path as a personal sacrifice, that’s a different situation. First, they could be considered fools, considering that the US is much better equipped to absorb the hurricane’s wrath than is Cuba. Second, why on Earth would they sacrifice themselves when we have been openly an enemy of the Cuban government for many decades?
To pretend that the current White House is at all out of line by not attempting to repay Cuba anything for doing nothing is pure agitprop. To be fair, there is a good chance that, had this happened during the watch of our former leader, the Big O Pretender-in-Chief, his fondness for communist regimes might have resulted in some undeserved, stolen-from-the-taxpayers, wealth-redistribution aid to Cuba.

Nigel S
Reply to  higley7
September 11, 2017 11:54 pm

Yes, that struck me too, it really is “burn the witch” time.

Reply to  higley7
September 12, 2017 2:02 am

Rishon Rishon: Mundia & Modia: The two worlds in which we live
Mundia & Modia: The two worlds in which we live. We humans live in two worlds. One world, I call Mundia, is the world of immutable laws, e.g. gravity …
The article that’s linked above is quite long but I believe well worth the time to read as well as the comments in the discussion that follows the article. I think it explains a lot about a lot of things about which we share disagreements and differences of opinions. Immutably, THIS IS PLANET EARTH.

September 11, 2017 6:41 pm

Hello, its all about “Repent before its too late” and the clincher as always is “You must have sinned” So what is our big sin..Its using energy, and that according to the Greens is the problem. Mind you take a look at their big houses and life style. Its back to animal farm, we are all equal, but some are a lot more equal than others.. Michael

Reply to  Michael Elliott
September 11, 2017 7:08 pm

We didn’t sacrifice a virgin in a volcano, so we got hurricanes.

Reply to  pyeatte
September 11, 2017 7:21 pm

Of course we didn’t. Do you know how hard it is to find a virgin these days?

Reply to  pyeatte
September 11, 2017 7:28 pm

We could start dropping news reporters into volcanoes, and see if the hurricanes go away. I’m willing to make that sacrifice.

Reply to  pyeatte
September 11, 2017 10:06 pm

Are you insane????
Waste a perfectly good virgin?????
That is pure crazy talk!!!!
Besides, where would we find one?

Reply to  pyeatte
September 12, 2017 1:32 am

It’s hard to find one of them virgins, but those hurricanes sure come along tall and sassy each year.

Reply to  pyeatte
September 12, 2017 9:29 am

Probably every school with a bell tower has the same legend that a brick falls off every time a virgin graduates. Stetson ended up demolishing theirs due to hurricane damage.
Sitting in the dark. (Well with a generator anyway) Irma climate changed all over us

Reply to  pyeatte
September 12, 2017 8:52 pm

“. . . we could start dropping news reporters into volcanoes . . .”
I was thinking more along the lines of offshore buoys . . .

Reply to  Michael Elliott
September 11, 2017 7:31 pm

Akatsukami , Heh, heh, heh. Very astute!

Andy pattullo
September 11, 2017 6:49 pm

It’s very refreshing and reassuring to hear the the average citizen is more attuned to reality than the deranged liberal media. I have no sympathy for those reporters and editors who find the real world won’t conform to their fantasies. I would ask them to please either wake up or shut up.

Reply to  Andy pattullo
September 12, 2017 2:24 am

The BBC World Service radio went straight to a trusted source, the Mayor of Miami, who apparently believes he is “living with Climate Change”. “Will this impact on Trump’s re-election chances?”. Sorry Americans, but you be aware of this interference in your politics by a state-funded foreign entity (it is funded by the UK Foreign Office, but claims total independence).

Reply to  climanrecon
September 12, 2017 5:46 am

Yup. Auntie Beeb is nothing but a snarling, twisted communist propaganda mouthpiece these days. Was so happy when Trump slung their skanky fake news butts out of the white House.

September 11, 2017 6:49 pm

Florida owes a debt of gratitude to Cuba for getting in the way? I’m quite sure that, had it been possible, Raul would have slipped the mooring and made sure Irma could hit with full force. A lot of those ungrateful former Cubanos and their descendants live there still, those who so churlishly declined life (or, rather, death) in his brother’s socialist paradise.

R. Shearer
Reply to  Writing Observer
September 11, 2017 7:46 pm

Had Cuba not been there, Irma might have made it to Mexico.

Reply to  R. Shearer
September 12, 2017 12:25 am

Rubbish. You know nothing. It was Not the encounter with Cuba which made it turn northwards.

Robert B
Reply to  R. Shearer
September 12, 2017 1:09 am

Relax, Greg.

richard verney
Reply to  R. Shearer
September 12, 2017 5:52 am

Nobody knows what would have happened had Cuba not been there, because of chaos and the butterfly effect.
It just speculation, and that is why the word might was included.

Rhoda R
September 11, 2017 6:51 pm

I notice that they don’t allow comments. I wonder why.

September 11, 2017 6:57 pm

“the US has Cuba to thank, given that the northern coast of the island soaked up an important part of Irma’s energy before the storm reached Florida.”
Almost as if the communist country of Cuba somehow, through the good of socialism, spread this very bad deed equally over the entire populous. We should thank them for their sacrifice to the common good.

Reply to  Duncan
September 11, 2017 7:16 pm

Ya the asshats pushing the human caused climate change are often one and the same as the “socialism is good” vacuous beasts!

Reply to  Duncan
September 12, 2017 4:40 am

Florida certainly has the landmass called “Cuba” to thank for causing the hurricane to become disorganised and less ferocious.
Would a Guardian reporter really be dumb enough to ascribe Florida’s salvation to the saving power of holy Marx-Leninist Socialism? Well I won’t go there, but they are pretty dumb.

September 11, 2017 7:23 pm

Its sounds to me like Mr. Pilkington is saddened by the fact that more damage wasn’t done to the US and more lives weren’t lost in the US. A normal person would be happy about those two things.

Barbara Skolaut
Reply to  Ricdre
September 12, 2017 10:19 am

Sure – a normal person would be.

September 11, 2017 7:32 pm

So libs think hurricanes are made by man? LOL! Wow, what dopes.

Rick C PE
September 11, 2017 7:33 pm

I find it somewhat ironic that the most critical aspect of the recovery process is restoring electrical power to millions of customers now without it. Also restocking the gas stations with those nasty fossil fuels. There’s nothing like a major storm like Irma to demonstrate how dependent we are on reliable energy.

R. Shearer
Reply to  Rick C PE
September 11, 2017 7:55 pm

Good points. Marketers should rush more fuel in prior to storms to alleviate shortages and Florida power companies/people should harden their power transmission systems.

Reply to  R. Shearer
September 12, 2017 9:14 pm

LOL Florida Power and Light is one of the most evil utilities when it comes to thwarting solar a place that solar make so much sense.

Reply to  Rick C PE
September 12, 2017 5:04 am

Shouldn’t the authorities be rushing out to restore the wind turbines and solar panels before worrying about gasoline supplies and fossil fuel generated electricity?

Reply to  Trebla
September 12, 2017 6:11 am

Bingo. Haven’t seen a word on how the bird choppers and solar farms fared.

Rick C PE
Reply to  Trebla
September 12, 2017 9:46 am

Perhaps because Florida gets 96% of its electricity from gas (61%), coal (23%) and nuclear (12%) power. FP&L apparently has not jumped onto the renewables bandwagon.

Reply to  Trebla
September 12, 2017 9:06 pm

Thought I saw a flock of solar panels fly past. Can turbines be uprooted during hurricanes? Will they hover if there’s enough wind speed?

September 11, 2017 7:40 pm

People aren’t as gullible as the news/propaganda purveyors believe. You can lie only so many times before your credibility is gone. None of the AGW prognostications have come to pass in the last 30 years. None. People’s memory goes back further than the AGW meme and the internet is there for verification. People aren’t that stupid. Science savvy or not.

September 11, 2017 7:57 pm

Up here in Canada Global News, (an political division of the Clinton News Network) interviewed several survivors of Hurricane Harvey and asked all kinds of leading questions about “climate change” looking for a good sound bite. When the survivor’s said “Nah, this is just weather. Hurricanes happen here from time to time” Global News ran the segment as being about “Climate Deniers after Hurricane Harvey” and trashed them.
Disgusting and pathetic abuse of victims of a natural disaster.

Reply to  Shoshin
September 12, 2017 9:15 pm

Disgusting abuse of victims and truth.

Jeff Wilson
September 11, 2017 8:01 pm

If we took all the money wasted on Global warming and put it into buried power lines, Irma would not grab much attention.

Reply to  Jeff Wilson
September 11, 2017 8:39 pm

Yes but it wouldn’t have all the left and green supporters and media pushing it as an agenda. In politics never confuse what should be done with what is good headlines with the media.

September 11, 2017 8:01 pm

I am surprised the guardian didn’t go to Mexico and try to report on how global warming had made the Earthquake so much worse. Remember the message anything bad happening in world is caused by global warming. As many of the comments above noted, I think the IQ of the average citizen is a bit higher than some of the climate activists and they spot snake oil salesmen a mile away.

Reply to  LdB
September 12, 2017 2:13 am

Well, for the most part, what passes for news is being reported by journalism majors, you know…..cut’em some slack. They’re not among the brightest lights in the firmament.

Cold in Wisconsin
September 11, 2017 8:12 pm

This happens with all major storms. Here in the north there is always a super hype of every big snowstorm that is coming as well. It almost never turns out worse than predicted, but usually far better. The weather is a constant opportunity for fear mongering, “Stay tuned for our breathless updates…..” One of the best examples found here….

michael hart
September 11, 2017 8:19 pm

The catastrophe that had been forewarned over countless hours of rolling cable television appeared to have been avoided. But only narrowly.

Not wishing to downplay the problems of people who really did suffer as a result of hurricane Irma, but boy did I enjoy watching TV journalists who were expecting and hoping for the end of the world but came away disappointed. It was a bit like watching CNN on election night. Propaganda-wise Irma has probably been another disaster for global-warmers, but in the wrong sense. They hyped it up, bigly, on the catastrophe scale, but it ran out of steam at the critical moment. Ordinary man and woman on the street may not consciously say it out loud, but they will notice that this was yet another end-of-the-world prediction that didn’t come to pass.

Jeff L
Reply to  michael hart
September 11, 2017 8:37 pm

What is being lost in the reporting is that this was truly an epic catastrophy in the American & British Virgin Islands. They took a direct hit from the eyewall at maximum cat 5 strength (185 mph). Because there aren’t many people there, the magnitude of the devastation isn’t being widely reported. That & there is all most no communications with the outside world due to the devastation. The limited reports are that the islands are completely uninhabitable. The survivors are being evacuated. No power. No communications. No food. No water. No sewers. Pictures look like a firestorm went through.

Reply to  Jeff L
September 12, 2017 2:27 am

Heard two phone calls from UK radio station to two survivors in BVI. Its bad, but not that bad*. Help is on the way.
Infrastructure gone, but most people survived

Reply to  Jeff L
September 12, 2017 5:10 am

If you choose to inhabit an area that is right in the bullseye of hurricane alley, make sure you build a structure that can withstand the attendant winds and storm surges.

Reply to  Jeff L
September 12, 2017 9:31 am

“They took a direct hit from the eyewall at maximum cat 5 strength (185 mph). Because there aren’t many people there, the magnitude of the devastation isn’t being widely reported”
No just in odd, out of the way sites like the NYT:
By the way have a look at the damage in the video there, and compare with the Saffir-Simpson scale:
Does something strike you?

Reply to  Jeff L
September 12, 2017 5:45 pm

In the above photo … windows still there but walls gone. Incompetent framer & high quality windows? Or very poor building practices overall.

Reply to  michael hart
September 11, 2017 9:12 pm

In addition to Jeff L’s points below (which is also true of other islands), Florida has 12M people without power, and it will be weeks before that is restored. Massive flooding in 3 states. A combined economic impact between Harvey and Irma of $290B. Yes, it could’ve been worse, but it was still a terrible storm.

David A
Reply to  Chris
September 12, 2017 7:10 am

“Florida has 12M people without power,”
Fake news. (maybe 3 million) Latest cost estimates are less then 1/4 of what you posted.

September 11, 2017 8:19 pm

Imagine how long it would take to replace oceans of wind turbines to power Florida under a purely ‘renewables’ regime.

Reply to  Neo
September 11, 2017 10:13 pm

I was thinking the same thing. Especially if China wasn’t up to sharing more rare earths to make the magnets.

Nigel S
Reply to  Neo
September 11, 2017 11:59 pm

I liked this very strange tale of Tesla owners being mysteriously granted another 40 miles.

Steve from Rockwood
Reply to  Nigel S
September 12, 2017 5:05 am

How much is 40 miles in air conditioner minutes?

Reply to  Nigel S
September 12, 2017 9:39 am

Might well be true. The main rule for Li-ion batteries is to never ever run them down completely, because they are then dead for good and have to be replaced. There is therefore normally a protection circuit that cuts of current well before the battery is empty. Also a large Li-ion battery draws some power for internal circuitry even when not used, so a goodish safety margin is needed. I imagine Tesla can cut down or eliminate this margin remotely.
By the way any Tesla owner who used those extra 40 miles had better re-charge pronto.

Non Nomen
Reply to  Neo
September 12, 2017 1:51 am

Build wind turbines all over Florida, tightly packed. They will take all the energy out of the hurricanes so Florida will become a mass exporter of electrical energy, much becalmed and soon calling for more hurricanes…

September 11, 2017 8:37 pm

The Guardian is in a death spiral, pan handling on their site because they will ride things like exaggerated global warming right off a cliff . They aren’t a news organization they are a personal soap box that expects others to pay for their indulgence . No thanks . People aren’t buying because they like to think they are capable of weighing facts to make their own informed decisions . Like trying to shove a religion on someone
who just isn’t buying your version of things . Doesn’t work . The science is settled ? Really since when ?
How many things in yester year did we take as absolutes that turned out to be bunk .?
Carry on Guardian the cliff is within eyesight now . You placed some bad bets and thought you could
pump the tires enough . Wrong .
Choice…. return to journalism or become extinct . By the way any global warming we get is welcome .

Reply to  Amber
September 11, 2017 8:49 pm

Aren’t they going to a new format and outsourcing some of their printing and journalism to try and stop loses next year. There should be plenty of left wing journalists out of work so they should be able to buy a bunch of cheap articles and sprint right over the edge 🙂

Reply to  Amber
September 12, 2017 12:35 am

Since Alan Rushbridger left ( was pushed out ) as editor in chief the Guardian has become a camplain platform, not a newspaper.
A great shame. It has always been left wing but used to be one of the most serious UK broadsheets.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 12:57 am

No, Rushbridger started the climate snowflake ball rolling in the Guardian and turned a once great newspaper into an increasingly green extremist rag. Now they have really third rate journalists bereft of knowledge of the subjects they write about and unwillingly to learn anything that might contradict their increasingly narrow rent-a-mob rant viewpoint. They deserve the extinction that is coming rapidly on them.

Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 6:24 am

Camplain?? I am sending that word to Hillary to use in her next book.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Greg
September 12, 2017 6:42 am

September 12, 2017 at 6:24 am
Camplain?? I am sending that word to Hillary to use in her next book.
You are soooo on it.

Reply to  Amber
September 12, 2017 2:55 am

The Guardian pales into deserved insignificance alongside Huff Post:
“End Of The Earth: Will Trump’s Climate Change Denial Be Tested?”
HuffPost UK travelled to Antarctica to see first-hand the effects of climate change.

September 11, 2017 8:57 pm

“They sat through hours of pummelling{sic} by Hurricane Irma, with winds pounding them at up to 115mph”

The way that is stated, it refers to wind gusts. A bottom level category 3 storm at worst on the second landfall.
The first Irma USA landfall was at Cudjoe Key:
Key West NWS measurements during Irma’s land fall at Cudjoe Key was 91mph gusts and 106mph gusts at Big Pine Key.
It sounds like Irma was a strong category 2 hurricane; not a category 3 and certainly not category 4!

September 11, 2017 9:11 pm

I would suspect that Floridians know a hell of a lot more about hurricanes than the morons at the Guardian.

Reply to  Joey
September 11, 2017 9:38 pm

Still a “drought” of hurricanes, and people living the gov inspired easy money life….no preparation.

Another Scott
Reply to  Joey
September 11, 2017 10:59 pm

Note that the University of Miami sports teams are the Hurricanes….and their first football game in 1926 was postponed by a hurricane….

September 11, 2017 9:17 pm

Anyone heard from Ristvan yet?? :/

Reply to  Aphan
September 11, 2017 10:15 pm

Probably doesn’ have any power.

Reply to  Aphan
September 12, 2017 6:43 am

You have now. I commented all the way through Irmaover at Climate Etc at Judy’s request. (We sheltered in place as planned, and things went according to plan. We never lost power because FPL hardened Fort Lauderdale after Wilma. We had less beach erosion than feared because of last years replenishment with slighly coarser sand. There are several feet of it heaped on A1A south of us on the main public beaches being put back today.
Surveyed ajacent surroundings damage yesterday morning. I would judge typical for Cat 2 gusts. Denuded palms, uprooted palms, lost major tree branches (including one thatnwithstood Wilma, downed streetlights (including one that withstood Wilma. Really quite amazing give our Atlantic beach location is about 110 miles from Naples gulf beach across alligator alley (I75) and about 130 from Marco Island.
West coast of the peninsula dodged the bullet so to speak for several reasons. 1. Clipped Cuba and weakened. 2. Wind shear from west was more adverse than forecast. 3. Pulled in dryer air from SW. You can see 2 and 3 on the doppler radar. Irma lost symmetry, with no rain bands in the SW, SSW quadrant. All stretched out toward us to the dirty side NE. 4. Eye went inland sooner than forecast, so weakened faster than initially thought. Still, a mess here.

David A
Reply to  ristvan
September 12, 2017 7:20 am

Rud, reposting my response at Tony’s to you here…
At the end of my post which you objected to, I said,
“Please have a conversation, instead of insults,(referring to your comments on a different blog saying such skepticism was as bad as the alarmists) as what I wrote above is true to the best of my understanding.”
Rud says, ” I have no tolerance for ignorance when it is so easy to educate oneself these days. So if David A’s knickers are in a twist, GOOD. Intended.
Strange and unexpected arrogance from you. ( Your ebook is excellent as are most of your comments BTW)
Your lecture on the NE quadrant was rudimentary and in my post. I had talked about how those NE bands of rotating thunder storms and mini tornadoes went right through your area, and your ground based tropical force winds with ground based Cat 1 gusts were about as strong at what was happening on the ground around the COLLAPSED eye wall. ( Sometime look at a satellite only image of the already disintegrating eye, prior to coming onshore, and watch it completely collapse going into Naples, like a last gasp propagating outwards. Really amazing)
Yes, the Naples reporter was in the west quadrant. Cantore was in the North quadrant ( St Myers I think) as the eye wall came through. They were experiencing Cat 1 winds at best. The palm fronds on the ground around Cantore never blew away! Now Rud, you can show me ground based Cat 4 or Cat 3 sustained winds, and I will not argue.
I expressed to you that as you were in the area of high rise buildings different dynamic could strengthen and weaken the winds experienced. You admitted this to Gail, yet earlier you used it as evidence of much stronger winds then ANY of the ground based stations all around you reported.
Your reference to a tree falling that survived Wilma carries little evidence. I lived in a Pine forest for a number of years. 150 year old Pine trees fell in every storm, after surviving far larger storms in the past.
You tried to educate me on storm surge, something counter intuitive about a large wind field causing a smaller surge? Here I thought a slower moving storm with stronger winds over a larger area, along with favorable shore line and ocean floor topography produced a larger surge.
At any rate don’t argue with the ignorant guy. Argue with the professionals who predicted a 10′ to 15′ surge along the entire shore below and above Naples, and only got a 4.2 foot surge, less then 1/2 of the predicted MINIMUM. Same thing in the Keys. (You never addressed this. The surge was accurate to the ground based readings you want all of us to ignore.
The damage was also reflective of the ground based readings. In every other major hurricane to hit Florida older Mobil home parks look like a tornado went through. With Irma you have car ports ripped off and some roofs ripped open.
So considering Storm Surge, overall damage (1/4 at most of estimated or predicted) and thousands of ground based wind speed records, none of them support a Cat 4 or even of a Cat 3 land fall. Find the ground based reading that say otherwise, or explain why the surge was so small, the damage only 1/4 of predicted, and the ground based readings so low. It is called a conversation, not a pedantic lecture. “Fool argue, wise men discuss”

Charles May
Reply to  ristvan
September 12, 2017 8:42 am

When I was a lad I grew up in St. Petersburg, Florida. We had a home on an island in Boca Ciega Bay. I can remember at high tide the water was just a few feet below the top of the seawall.
Anyway, I was inspired by this figure that was on GWPF yesterday.!AkPliAI0REKhgZMBhxNxvW_rfO_o6A
Just from observation I thought I could see cyclic behavior. I thought I would give it a try.
It took me a while to find the raw data but I did duplicate the data in the above figure.
I used the same procedures on this dataset as I have done for others. First, I used Dr. Evan’s OFT. I then used his output as inputs into my cyclic analysis.
I had some expectations of success but I do suspect there is a randomness in this number and it should not be that repeatable. Hurricanes are weather events in my mind although climate is there too.
The results of the OFT came out looking like this.!AkPliAI0REKhgZJ_jmMehICaZ8iaSA
Promising. The OFT was the start. After the cyclic analysis I got this.!AkPliAI0REKhgZMAOFvShMaoucsHWA
Notice that I placed the 62-year cycle on the chart. That is almost what I thought I was observing. I am actually pleased by these results. They are better than what I had expected. There are 50 cycles used in this figure.
With as few as nine cycles it seems to capture the foundation of the overall behavior without all the individual peaks.!AkPliAI0REKhgZMCTw6-OE8JetToJA
Here is just a brief listing of some of the cycles:!AkPliAI0REKhgZJ-Mbudlen2UL5B1g
I only did this yesterday. But, wouldn’t it be nice if hurricanes could be more predictable with cyclic analysis.

September 11, 2017 9:51 pm
September 11, 2017 9:51 pm

Off topic … but Friday night, on the History Channel, they are showing a 2 hour piece of work called “Two Degrees: Point of No Return.” On the Pacific Coast (on Comcast), it’s at 10pm PDT. This sounds like an all-out propaganda blitz worth keeping an eye on.

Another Scott
September 11, 2017 11:26 pm

I for one am finally convinced by Harvey and Irma that natural disasters have become more intense. Both those hurricanes had strong winds, heavy rain, and were followed by a ferocious blast of hot air on social media and news outlets….

September 11, 2017 11:40 pm

Expected geomagnetic activity.

Nigel S
September 12, 2017 12:32 am

Soon turned out I had a heart of glass [radio version]
Soon turned out to be a pain in the ass [album version]

Ed Zuiderwijk
September 12, 2017 1:19 am

It’s like asking someone who just survived an attack by a suicide bomber if they now, finally, believed in the existence of the bomber’s god?

September 12, 2017 1:27 am

No-one denies that climate change is happening, much less climate scientists like myself. So the lying msm should stop their lies labelling those who reject man made climate change as deniers. there is no scientific evidence that climate change is due to humans. there is however plenty of scientific evidence that the changing climate is due to the changing sun. Ask any UK university physics department from Northumberland to Southampton. Mr Ward you are not a scientist so please give it a rest.. thanks!.

September 12, 2017 1:53 am

Another hurricane is being created in the Atlantic. You can see how important is the circulation in the eastern Pacific (El Niño). image

September 12, 2017 2:01 am

I have been through so many hurricanes here in Florida, I think of myself as the general of that Ugly Army about to take city in the last book of the Lord of the Rings. A catapult tosses a chunk of the city at him. He watches and watches as it hits, smashes his troops, he steps aside as it rolls by. He spits on it.
At the White House this week, one of the press secretaries was getting hammered by a Man Made Climate correspondent. The words to the affect by the secretary, ‘Climate is Cyclic, Get over it.” Whoa, The Next Great Awakening. Don’t expect much.
I worked a fossil and rock shop in the Wall, SD each summer for a few years. I had replicas and casts of Dinosaurs and an actual Neanderthal Man’s skull to include the skull cast of Susie, the T-REX. I had a small assortment of books on the subjects.
One day, I thought this young man that came in wanted answers on the casts. No, Instead, he accused me of creating the casts, the little fossils hardly a quarter inch in size, the T-REX, the Mosasauras, the T-Rex of the ocean. I asked him to leave before he did any damage.
My buddy and his wife invited a German home for dinner in Frankfurt who hosted us on the Wine Strasse, in Frankfurt. It was a time the Germans were watching the series of the Holocaust and dealing with what happened. He became very upset and yelled that we, the Americans, made it all up.
You should stay objective and open minded. Continue to read and research. And, as I let go of someone off FB, Mister, this is my work. No one had anything and it is all original. This is mine and you can’t have it nor destroy it. Believe you can, but don’t bet on converting these Plato Fools.

Reply to  C. Paul Pierett
September 12, 2017 2:31 am

“You should stay objective and open minded.”
The examples you mention are perfect C.Paul.
My experience has been largely the same ie they just howl you down.
Had a bit of a different experience this last weekend attending the 50th Anniversary of the class of ’67. The subject came up because of Harvey and Irma and I would say that a reasonable discussion was had – mostly on the side of climate variability. Why do the angry left think that howling people down works on a long term level in western democracies?? I just know we can and will correct this and get back to reasonable discussion but I feel we are 20+ years behind the movement. We have a long way to go.

Reply to  nankerphelge
September 12, 2017 6:34 am

If we don’t start repelling the mass Islamic invasion – and very soon – there isn’t going to BE a West.

Reply to  nankerphelge
September 12, 2017 11:41 am

“Why do the angry left think that howling people down works on a long term level in western democracies??”
Because it did work, in very many ways, it seems most logical to me. A whole lot of effort and tenacity (and a boatload of ruined reputations/careers) has gone into dethroning the great mass media oracles, and I am quite sure there’s still a whole lot of fakery “we” were successfully sold, that has yet to be revealed/upended.

September 12, 2017 2:27 am

Can you please stop posting links to the grunt … This, given that they can’t sell hard copy, is their new business model … Click bait.

September 12, 2017 2:42 am

Monster storm to smash Australia – bringing damaging winds, snow, thunderstorms and the coldest weather of the year
Australia’s east coast will be hit with a monster storm bringing wild weather
It will hit New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, the ACT and Tasmania
Heavy snowfall forced officers to rescue a mother and her son on Monday
Read more:

September 12, 2017 2:49 am

Well, let’s see what their insurance companies say…
And prospective purchasers of their property in years to come.
Climate science predicted the increased intensity of storms like Harvey and Irma – and predicts that there will be more to come.
I wonder if the local economy can take one of these every 5 years or so?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 4:26 am

Your steadfast belief in the manmade climate myth is truly remarkable. Do you get paid for such idiocy?

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 12, 2017 6:07 am

No, I don’t. I’m not even a member of any green group or political party, etc.
I am trained in evaluating conflicting source material.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 12, 2017 3:32 pm

I’m sure he’s compensated in some way, if not paid directly, and probably affiliated – based on the stock rhetoric he produces.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
September 13, 2017 5:33 pm

“Do you get paid for such idiocy?”
Of course he does!
Why else would he regurgitate the very same debunked lies over and over and over again, making a total t!t of himself to a large audience?

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 4:44 am

Yet that increase didn’t happen; instead a 12-year lull, and then back to normal. Floridians are used to what just happened. Hasn’t stopped people from moving there either, has it?

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
September 12, 2017 4:45 am

An unprecedented lull, I might add…

I Came I Saw I Left
Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
September 12, 2017 4:51 am

And this – based on the evidence, climate scientists are pretty worthless prognosticators.

Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 5:00 am

Insurance companies have long been high on the suspect list of those driving or backing this global warming scare scam. It’s a great excuse to raise the premiums. What they should be doing is pushing for better building standards and withholding insurance renewal until every building and property is certified compliant with those standards.
Year after year (for decades in fact) we have been seeing news pictures coming out of the USA of wooden houses that have been turned into matchwood by a storm. The storm always seems to get the blame, not the lousy standard of building. It seems that these properties get rebuilt in much the same way as the ones that were destroyed – only to be turned into matchwood again when the next big storm strikes.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 5:54 am

Griff, insurance companies bet on NOT paying out! Ordinary people buy insurance with the expectation insurance WILL pay out! Tell me which side of that equation is working out for ordinary people?

Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 12, 2017 6:06 am

Exactly. They won’t be paying out.
Insurance companies have bought the science and are not going to be covering people living in homes near coasts etc or homes without resilience/hurricane proofing.

Rick C PE
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 6:46 am

Well, let’s see what their insurance companies say…

Seems you don’t have much of a grasp on how the insurance industry actually functions. They have folks known as ‘actuaries’ who are highly trained in analysis of risk. They may be the most data driven researchers anywhere. They do not rely on speculation, press reports, or political correctness. They effectively determine what premiums need to be to both cover their insured’s losses and remain competitive. Set premiums too low and risk bankruptcy, too high and lose customers to competitors. To succeed they must base their work an accurate verifiable facts. They do use computer models – but only after they are validated. Maybe someone should conduct a survey of actuaries to get their take on the risks of CAGW. It might provide a whole new concept of ‘consensus’.

Sun Spot
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 7:13 am

Griffter , I’m waiting for the MSM to show EV’s in Florida that are know just boat anchors.

Sun Spot
Reply to  Sun Spot
September 12, 2017 7:14 am

. . . now just boat

David A
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 7:26 am

…not happening with any more frequency then in the past are they Griff?
BTW, Harvey and Irma, the weakest two Cat 4s in US history; based on ground based readings and wind damage. (prove me wrong, I am listening)

Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 8:20 am

Griff, how many major Hurricanes hit Florida in the last 20 years.

Walt D.
Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 9:32 am

“Climate science predicted the increased intensity of storms like Harvey and Irma – and predicts that there will be more to come”
Yes they have predicted 13 out of the last 2 bad hurricane seasons!
The problem with Climate Science is that they claim to explain everything but predict nothing.
How many hurricanes are going to arrive next year when global temperatures increase by another 0.01C?
How many in the next 5 years?

Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 9:51 am

In what way was Harvey and/or Irma more intense than earlier hurricanes?
“I wonder if the local economy can take one of these every 5 years or so”
On average the US economy has had to take about 8.5 hurricanes every five years for the last century and a half.

Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 5:59 pm

I’m with you Griff, I hope their insurance rates skyrocket, I hope their property values will plummet, and I hope Florida’s economy will take enormous hits in the near future.
We’re the good guys Griff. Keep up the fight….

Reply to  Griff
September 13, 2017 5:31 pm

Apologised to Dr, Crockford yet, Skanky?

Hot under the collar
September 12, 2017 3:17 am

Something that comes to mind for those countries who plan 100% electric vehicles – what happens when you have power outage such as we have here and with many other disasters? Maybe Fred Flintstone tow trucks would help?
I would like to add that my thoughts are with all those afflicted by this huricane.

Reply to  Hot under the collar
September 12, 2017 6:09 am

Well the gas began to run out during the evacuation…
but Tesla owners did OK.
and I don’t suppose its any easier to ship gas into the ruins than it is to reconnect the power

Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 1:29 pm

Ok, so Teslas do not run on gas. In fact they run mostly on coal.

Reply to  Griff
September 12, 2017 7:52 pm

Griff how do you know Tesla owners did okay, do you have any actual facts. It would be interesting to actually have details of how the Tesla units behave in a grid down situation? I am actually interested in how they behaved but I am into hard sciences I don’t buy your word, bring facts please.

Reply to  Griff
September 13, 2017 5:43 pm

Actually, as around 15 million Floridans lost power and some won’t get it back for some time, the many of the Tesla owners didn’t do very well at all
“and I don’t suppose its any easier to ship gas into the ruins than it is to reconnect the power”
Well then you supposed wrong, didn’t you?
All those who could just tip a can of fuel into the tank did OK, of course.
Tell us, why do you keep making up such easily disproved lies, do you have some sort of problem, and have you considered seeking professional assistance?

I Came I Saw I Left
September 12, 2017 3:38 am

For its lucky escape, the US has Cuba to thank, given that the northern coast of the island soaked up an important part of Irma’s energy before the storm reached Florida. Not that the debt of gratitude will be repaid by the current incumbent of the White House.

What waste material journalists are.

Reply to  I Came I Saw I Left
September 12, 2017 12:07 pm

Poor journalism majors. Weren’t athletic enough to be jocks, weren’t bright enough to be nerds, weren’t weird enough to be arties. They found a refuge in the school newspaper, where they wrote articles nobody read and took pictures of all the students who were more interesting than them. Then college came and they realized they could use media to blame all the people they couldn’t be for all that’s wrong with the world.

September 12, 2017 4:10 am

“up to 15ft above ground level” – what does that mean? Level of what ground? At the water’s normal edge? Two miles inland? For airplanes,
altitude in hundreds, thousands of feet AGL is reasonable, but for a storm surge (that turned out to be 5′) ?

September 12, 2017 4:23 am

Guardian readers are mostly quite a bit dumber than Floridians. Do the former think that last weekend would have been bright and sunny throughout Florida if it had not been for man-made CO2?

September 12, 2017 4:26 am

Anyone know how Disney and Universal coped..? Not seen any news coverage, even on CNN….
We in the UK need to know – and look forward to some cheap flight/accommodation deals to lure us back….!

September 12, 2017 4:37 am

How much spinning do you have to do to claim
President Trump caused the hurricane
Mother Gaia is punishing unbelievers
Cuba was not damaged because Communism
Cuba saved evil Trump and he should be grateful??

Reply to  RockribbedTrumpkin
September 12, 2017 12:11 pm

If media spin could turn turbines, our energy needs would be satisfied indefinitely.

Dodgy Geezer
September 12, 2017 4:54 am

It seems obvious to me.
How many hurricanes did we have under President Obama, the Gaia-loving peaceful democrat? NONE!
And the minute Trump, the evil environment-hating Big Oil supporter gets elected? Three come along at once.
I don’t think you need any more evidence than that. It’s scientifically proven that unless Americans elect Democrats the very Earth will fight against them ….

September 12, 2017 6:12 am

At some point the climate media buzzards will interfere with recovery efforts.

September 12, 2017 6:20 am

Hurricanes cause cooling.

Thomas Stone
September 12, 2017 6:27 am

Sea surface temperatures along the path of Irma were within 1/2 degree Celsius of normal. What is making this a bad year for hurricanes in the Gulf and Caribbean is the lack of wind shear. This is because of the combination of 1) cool high pressure over the Great Lakes and Northeast, and 2) the Mid-Atlantic ridge, have resulted in light upper level easterly winds along hurricane alley. It’s not global warming, but short term regional cooling that’s to blame.

Reply to  Thomas Stone
September 12, 2017 6:33 am


September 12, 2017 6:48 am

I heard a “News” journalist summing up the lack of damage from Hurricane Irma as, “… not the storm we’d hoped for… ”
I kid you not! These media ghouls are unbelievable.

Paul Nelson
September 12, 2017 6:59 am

Per Jeff L.: “What is being lost in the reporting is that this was truly an epic catastrophy (sic) in the American & British Virgin Islands.”
Contra, per Trebla: “If you choose to inhabit an area that is right in the bullseye of hurricane alley, make sure you build a structure that can withstand the attendant winds and storm surges.”
My thought: “Catastrophic”: We now know that a “Category 4” hurricane landfalling on a U.S. coast isn’t and won’t be. Centuries of knowledge that hurricanes exist; multiple preparatory decades of science and engineering; years of real-world planning and plan execution; and respect for victims of actual catastrophes should end the use of the term for weather events.
September 11, 2001 was a catastrophe for thousands of innocents. No warning. No opportunity to prepare for a secretly planned attack. No shelter. No personal decision-making could alter the outcome for the victims. From 8:46 AM to 10:03 AM events of inconceivable magnitude and horror enveloped thousands of innocents in a death-dealing maelstrom. Catastrophe.
Harvey and Irma: Inconveniences.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Paul Nelson
September 12, 2017 11:05 am


Reply to  Paul Nelson
September 12, 2017 12:03 pm

911 Attacks Were an Outside and Inside Job — Crossing the Rubicon
Crossing the Rubicon — Internalizing the Knowledge that 911 Attacks were carried out by factions of the US government is a tough one for many to wrap their heads around. It is almost the magnitude of being to horrible to believe. Once you make this mental jump, crossing the Rubicon so to speak, it is sure hard to go back to your old comfortable ways of thinking you knew enough about how the world really worked.

Reply to  stock
September 13, 2017 5:47 pm

You really need to get your tin foil hat seen to, sunshine.
In fact, try upgrading to total coverage with 10 SWG builders’ lead flashing, ensuring that you get it hermitically sealed around your neck.
That should fix your conspiranoid fantasies on a permanent basis.

Sun Spot
September 12, 2017 7:12 am

I’m waiting for the MSM to show EV’s in Florida that are know just boat anchors.

September 12, 2017 7:17 am

We don’t run around screaming ice age every time there’s a blizzard.

September 12, 2017 7:33 am

It’s sad to say but at this point the debate IS over…utilities are abandoning traditional 24/7 generation in favor of intermittent with storage, at 3 times the price. For a generation schools that are paid for by taxpayers have brainwashed children starting in Pre-K with the likes of Billy McKibben into believing that the Arctic and the polar bears and the penguins and the whales are all doomed because we have entered “The 6th Mass Extinction”. Automakers are trumpeting with great pride and chest-thumping how rapidly they are phasing out the internal combustion engine in favor of enclosed golf carts that will increase the country’s electrical demands by 30 % with no plan on how or when the grid will be up graded to handle the load. …And Government subsidies for all.

September 12, 2017 9:25 am

“Six deaths in Florida have been blamed on Irma, along with three in Georgia and one in South Carolina. At least 35 people were killed in the FOX News: “Six deaths in Florida have been blamed on Irma, along with three in Georgia and one in South Carolina. At least 35 people were killed in the Caribbean.”
Well … Chicago crime can beat that record in the US in one weekend! Give it the time frame of Irma and Chicago could win on an international scale. Go Chicago gangland! You can outperform the biggest storm of the century! The MSM should report while wading in pools of blood with a flak jacket and helmets! The talking heads can predict where the most carnage will be and how many . Show gory pics for non-stop clicks for their ratings!
Everyone can play. Let me forecast this upcoming weekend; 15 dead and 25 injured!

Reply to  eyesonu
September 18, 2017 1:14 pm

Well … This thread is now 7 days old but the results of my predictions are in.
“Ten people are dead and at least 31 have been wounded in shootings across Chicago this weekend.”
I called 15 dead and 25 wounded. Figures quoted in news release may/probably don’t include knives, bats, pipes, etc.
The worst hurricane eveh can’t match Chicago when it comes to the death toll.

Reasonable Skeptic
September 12, 2017 9:32 am

The impacts that CO2 emissions are directly tied to Irma should be clear.
1) They all drove away and a Hurricane hit them. Ergo, CO2 emission caused it
2) When they were all away, the Hurricane stopped. Ergo, No CO2 emission clear the skies.
Clear as day!

September 12, 2017 9:37 am

For any of our Florida readers, how have wind turbines survived Irma? I believe Fort Lauderdale has “green” turbines in various places (e.g., on top of Hilton Beach Resort) are they still standing? Anyone collecting pictures to show how well they fared?

Reply to  rigelsys
September 12, 2017 9:49 am


For any of our Florida readers, how have wind turbines survived Irma? I believe Fort Lauderdale has “green” turbines in various places (e.g., on top of Hilton Beach Resort) are they still standing?

The entire SouthEast United States area – roughly from the Maryland border south to the start of the FL Keys, from the 4-5 miles inland of the VA-NC-SC-GA-FL coast all the way west past the Mississippi River to the vertical line between the Red River and Sabine river is subject to many months of near-dead calm conditions as the steady high pressure system known as the Bermuda high just sits there. The warm air rises, but doesn’t circulate sideways as ground winds. Coupled with the pine tree enhanced cloudy haze (the Blue Mountains are named for that low-lay steady discolored ozone-filled air), you get near-zero solar power 11 months of the year, and near-zero wind power for every square mile of 1/4 of the country land area. (The far east coast off North Carolina is the sole exception: The Wright brothers chose Kitty Hawk North Carolina specifically for its steady ocean winds to do their glider testing. But that is the only spot in the SouthEast with constant winds.)

Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 12, 2017 10:08 am

If they get ” near-zero solar power 11 months of the year,” how do they grow crops?

Reply to  RACookPE1978
September 12, 2017 12:20 pm

Plants can make effective use of indirect sunlight. PV panels, not so much.

Charles May
September 12, 2017 10:09 am

I extracted most of this from an email I sent my friends. I hope it comes through and makes sense. I wrote this for people who may not be up on things.
All this talk from about hurricanes and global warming is really irritating to me. From Wikipedia, I found this listing of hurricanes of the 18th century.
It is quite a list. Hurricanes are not a modern creation.
In an earlier article on WUWT I founds some interesting comments about the hurricane in 1780. I repeat the comment here.
“The most powerful Atlantic storm in the historic record was the Great Hurricane of 1780, which stripped bark off of trees, destroyed all structures in its path and killed some 22,000 people. Its winds must have exceeded 200 mph, at least in gusts.”
Here is a brief description of that hurricane from Wikipedia:
“The Great Hurricane of 1780, also known as Huracán San Calixto, the Great Hurricane of the Antilles, and the 1780 Disaster, is the deadliest Atlantic hurricane on record. Between 20,000 and 22,000 people died throughout the Lesser Antilles when the storm passed through them from October 10–16. Specifics on the hurricane’s track and strength are unknown because the official Atlantic hurricane database only goes back to 1851.
The hurricane struck Barbados with winds possibly exceeding 320 km/h (200 mph), before moving past Martinique, Saint Lucia, and Sint Eustatius; thousands of deaths were reported on the islands. Coming in the midst of the American Revolution, the storm caused heavy losses to British and French fleets contesting for control of the area. The hurricane later passed near Puerto Rico and over the eastern portion of Hispaniola. There, it caused heavy damage near the coastlines. It ultimately turned to the northeast and was last observed on October 20 southeast of Atlantic Canada.
The death toll from the Great Hurricane alone exceeds that of many entire decades of Atlantic hurricanes. Estimates are marginally higher than for Hurricane Mitch, the second-deadliest Atlantic storm, for which figures are likely more accurate. The hurricane was part of the disastrous 1780 Atlantic hurricane season, with two other deadly storms occurring in October.”
Let’s try to put this all in perspective and see the connection with climate change, if there is any.
I used Dr. Evans composite temperature anomaly reconstruction that goes all the way back to the time of Christ. We get the CO2 record from Law Dome in Antarctica. The temperature anomalies are all on the left side of the chart and the atmospheric CO2 levels are on the right side of the chart.!AkPliAI0REKhgZMDY_U7P2eu7n-aDA
This chart shows that the CO2 levels are essentially flat until the 1800. All that means is that none of the temperature variations you see up to that year are nothing but natural variability. If CO2 really controlled the climate CO2 variation would be needed and there is none.
I have analyzed these data too. That is shown with the cyclical fit. The green line reveals the actual contribution of CO2 to the temperature variation. The ECS that goes with that green line is about 0.25. Note that it is zero until you can see the CO2 level start to change. That is the way it is supposed to work.
Around the year 1000 the rise in temperature is noticeable. That is the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) that I often talk about. England was so warm then they had vineyards. Germany had olive trees.
This chart also shows the Little Ice Age (LIA) that reached its depths in the mid-1600s. The Thames River was known to freeze over.
I furnish an enlargement of the time period we are talking about, the 1700s.!AkPliAI0REKhgZMEzheilQ4HaG1FFQ
You will note that I spliced in the H4 monthly data at the appropriate time.
For the 18th century note how much colder and how much lower the CO2 levels were than they are today. The green line shows that CO2 added nothing to the temperature.
Here it is in a nutshell. Look at the first link and witness all the hurricanes from the 18th century when it was much colder and CO2 meant nothing and was much lower than today.
When you hear people trying to link climate change and hurricanes together it is nothing but left-wing propaganda which is all the media put out today. Also, please do not forget that fear of hurricanes had a lot to do with our winning of the Revolutionary War. The French fleet did not want to be anchored in the Caribbean during that time. They defeated the Brits off Yorktown and that is why we won. The following comes from Wikipedia:
“The Battle of the Chesapeake, also known as the Battle of the Virginia Capes or simply the Battle of the Capes, was a crucial naval battle in the American Revolutionary War that took place near the mouth of Chesapeake Bay on 5 September 1781. The combatants were a British fleet led by Rear Admiral Sir Thomas Graves and a French fleet led by Rear Admiral Francois Joseph Paul, the Comte de Grasse. The battle was strategically decisive,[6] in that it prevented the Royal Navy from reinforcing or evacuating the forces of Lieutenant General Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown, Virginia. The French were able to achieve control of the sea lanes against the British, allowing them to provide the Franco-American army with siege artillery and French reinforcements—all of which proved decisive in the Siege of Yorktown, effectively securing independence for the Thirteen Colonies.”
Note that this battle occurred a year after the disastrous hurricane season of 1780.

Joel Snider
September 12, 2017 12:14 pm

It could be that Florida residents are happy to be alive, glad it wasn’t as bad as the hype, and are perhaps grateful for the relatively gentle weather of the last decade.
Perhaps they’re even impatient with opportunists (unfailingly!) trying to exploit this disaster for political ends.

September 12, 2017 3:13 pm

The Guardian can’t understand that their preachy opinionism just won’t sell . People don’t buy newspapers to be preached to . How does it work when you tell teen agers how and what to think ? That’s right middle
digit every time . But do carry on Guardian you can feel self righteous at your close of business shut down party . Stiff upper lip . They just didn’t get it did they ?
The only people I feel sorry for are the innocent employees being lead by dummies .

Gunga Din
September 12, 2017 4:02 pm

I lived through the “Blizzard of ’78” in Ohio.
My kids have never experienced anything like that. But I have. Pretty sure I’ve told them about it.
Most Floridians over, say, 20(?) have memories of a hurricane hitting Florida.
Unusual that Irma’s track effected the length of Florida, but not unusual that a hurricane hit somewhere Florida.
PS Has Mann “et al” tried to blame Irma’s track on CAGW? Maybe he thinks it’s because Florida is shaped like an upside-down hockey stick?

September 13, 2017 2:08 am

“By noon, the jet skiers were back on the water, buzzing around the west coast waterways under a blue sky where only hours before Irma had shaken the trees and put fear in people’s hearts.”
This makes me happy. The human urge to play is the same as our urge to find knowledge. Curiosity. It bends for nothing. Climate scientists of cagw has none.

Jim Butler
September 13, 2017 4:57 am

For those here that feel hopeful that the myth is diminishing…
I live on Florida’s west coast, about 10mi north of Clearwater, on the Pinellas peninsula. I’ve monitored storms on Wunderground’s blog for years, way before moving to Fl 3yrs ago.
The information on that blog is crucial for many folks during storms, whether it’s a hurricane or a N’orEaster hitting New England.
Naturally, during THIS storm, I was glued to the blog, watching every jog and twitch to the track.
The thing that was incredibly frustrating was the overwhelming number of posters there that continued to post comments that not only supported AGW and claimed that Irma was indisputable proof of it’s existence and influence, but would go on and on about how crucial it was to have the “discussion”, but that people who disagreed with them should be banned from the blog.
At one point I replied to a post by asking if the greatest U.S. natural disaster in history, the hurricane of 1900 that struck Galveston as a Cat 4, and killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people was also due to AGW.
I’m lucky my head isn’t on a pike somewhere. They refuse to see the logical fallacy in their argument.
People were posting things like “We need to get the fat-asses out of their fat-assed trucks and wake their fat-asses up!”
Anyone know if LIndzen drives a truck?

September 18, 2017 10:10 am

I was on vacation in Orland and got smacked by Irma. Category 2 winds they say. It was scary for me, a Canadian who has never seen a hurricane. But the thing is, I know that it was not caused by CAGW. These things happen in Florida (always have), and the people take it in stride. Sure, there was no water at Walmart (or potato chips, batteries or flashlights), and lots of stations without gas, but no one in Orlando even boarded their windows.

September 19, 2017 10:33 am

I am not a fanatic, as are many people who believe in science, which also indicates that about 1/3 of these people, these so-called Americans, are stupid as bat shit.

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