An Inconvenient Split?

From Climate Sceptism

Posted on 13 Aug 17 by Paul Matthews

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In many ways, the climate debate has hardly changed since I got interested in it about ten years ago. Public opinion wobbles up and down with hardly any real change. The same tired arguments and claims come round again: every climate conference is the last chance to save the planet; the Arctic ice is always about to vanish in one or two years, or ten years; climate scientists continue to be accused of selecting data sets to create hockeysticks and manipulating data; and teams of climate scientists keep producing reports saying almost exactly the same thing as the previous reports, which then get misrepresented and hyped by the media.

So when something does appear to change it’s worth taking note of. I have a feeling that a split may be developing on the ‘warmist’ side, between what we might call the ‘extremists’ and the ‘moderates’. Here are three recent examples of this.

Consensus?

Some social scientists believe that telling people that there’s a consensus on climate change acts as a ‘gateway belief‘ leading to public action, even though their own data does not really support this claim.  Others have questioned this, saying that consensus messaging is an unhelpful distraction, see Geoff’s recent post and also this paper that says that other factors such as scientific integrity are more important.

Uninhabitable Earth?

One of the most ridiculous recent alarmist articles was The Uninhabitable Earth, by a journalist for New Yorker magazine, full of doom, terror, alarm, starvation and plagues. Because of this, it got a lot of attention, which presumably was the intention, and it even has its own wikipedia page. While David Roberts at Vox said that trying to scare people in this way was fine, many mainstream climate scientists criticised the article. A team at Climate Feedback (usually used to attack sceptical articles in the media) said that its scientific credibility was low and it exaggerated the risks. New Scientist said that such doomsday scenarios were unlikely to happen, and even Michael Mann thought that the article overstated the evidence.

Gore’s sequel?

Al Gore has a new film out, called “An Inconvenient Sequel”. He’s currently in the UK promoting it, which started the recent Lawson kerfuffle.  Apparently his film has been an inconvenient flop at the box office.  It’s no surprise that Bjorn Lomborg in the Wall Street Journal says that the film misses a few inconvenient facts. But what is more inconvenient for Mr Gore is that the Guardian doesn’t like it either, describing it as “desultory and surprisingly vainglorious” and awarding it only two stars. Apparently it is “more a portrait of Gore than a call to arms”.

The left-leaning New Republic writes of The Troubling Return of Al Gore, saying “But not everyone on the left is celebrating Gore’s reemergence—and for reasons that sometimes contradict each other. Some worry he’s too polarizing a figure, and therefore could paralyze progress on climate change.” They also have a paragraph supporting the main hypothesis of this post: “This skepticism about Gore reveals a lot about the climate movement, which has fractured significantly since An Inconvenient Truth. Whereas a decade ago there was a relatively united focus on spreading awareness about climate change, today there is no clear consensus on how to fight it.”

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August 15, 2017 2:13 pm

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Reply to  Robert Kernodle
August 15, 2017 2:17 pm

… Most Holy Father of Climate Alarmism

schitzree
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
August 15, 2017 5:01 pm

Not enough backwards turning hurricanes photoshopped onto the earth behind him.
^¿^

Javert Chip
Reply to  Robert Kernodle
August 15, 2017 6:40 pm

Gee, the last time Gore wore that much white, he was on a massage table…

AMO
August 15, 2017 2:19 pm

I was quite stunned to hear an advert on independent radio (in the UK) promoting Gore’s new film as if it was some Hollywood block buster today, urging people to book their tickets for its cinema release on Friday!
This came after I’d switched the TV off in disgust over a news item about a sailing ship of scientists setting off for 6 weeks across the Arctic to prove how little ice there is and how ships can now easily sail across the region due to the lack of ice and global warming.

Gary Pearse
August 15, 2017 3:29 pm

First, the timing of this development is unmistakably the arrival of Trump on the scene. He made it ok to express contrary opinions that even warmistst proponents had regarding the degree and urgency of action. Dyed in the wool catastrophists like Michael man realized more balanced remarks might be the way to appear thoughtful and sincere under an existential nightmare.
And let’s face it, to lampoon a ridiculous, pompous A55 like make-it- up Albert has been something the former solidarity climate clones have wanted to do but feared weakening the ‘force’. The late Stephen Schneider’s admonition, which I paraphrase as follows :
“Each one of you Climateers has to decide how far you are prepared to deviate from honesty and integrity to promote climate бцllsнiтт and keep the gravy train rolling and on time”
This guy did more to give possibly reasonable people the freedom to do whatever lуiиg and снеатiиg they could dream up to perpetrate the worst, иеомагкsбrотнегэ фгацd ever perpetrated for the cause. What a legacy! He was a coauthor of the previous global cooling offensive and club of Rome doomster along with Wrong Way Ehrlich and This is a Hold up Holdren.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
August 15, 2017 5:50 pm

Agreed.
Maybe I can give credence to the claim that that that remark was taken out of context. But like what DJT is experiencing today, some of his followers such as the self named “hockey team” may have taken it too literally. “Never express doubt”, “Predict the extreme”.

Amber
August 15, 2017 3:32 pm

The inconvenient squirrel is more like it . At least this flop is the last we have to hear about .
Is Paramount going to back another dog ? Maybe Dicaprio can hussle up some off shore cash .

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  Amber
August 15, 2017 5:38 pm

Paramount’s bean counters took great care to maximize box office draw over distribution outlay. If they’re to blame for anything, it’s not selling the farm to distribute that turkey.

August 15, 2017 4:16 pm

Spilt?
Healthy debate about the issues that are actually debatable.

Javert Chip
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 15, 2017 6:41 pm

But…BUt…But…this is SETTLED SCIENCE!!!

J Mac
Reply to  Steven Mosher
August 15, 2017 7:39 pm

An AGW alarmist freudian ‘spilt’, I’m 97% certain…..
If climate science was ‘settled’, there would only be one climate model and it would be validated and certified to predict future climate changes with high fidelity. There would be no need for ‘ensembles of climate edsels’ that provide no better predictive capabilities than an old crone poking through steaming chicken guts.
Until that ‘settled science’ day, it is all actually debatable.

BallBounces
August 15, 2017 4:41 pm

“Whereas a decade ago there was a relatively united focus on spreading awareness about climate change, today there is no clear consensus on how to fight it.”
When there’s very little it to “it”, it’s hard to fight it, i’n it?

AZ1971
August 15, 2017 4:49 pm

“Desultory and surprisingly vainglorious”
Why would anyone think Gore as being vainglorious is surprising?

August 15, 2017 5:57 pm

MY recommendation to Trump would be to turn this into an economic issue rather than an ideological choice. Germany went “renewable” only a few years ago when their energy prices were comparable to ours; they are now 3 X. Obama said his restrictions on coal would make your electricty prices sky rocket.
Hit them in the pocket book.

Ron
Reply to  George Daddis
August 15, 2017 6:07 pm

George, have you read that article in the Independant regarding Lawson retracting his claim yet?

marty
August 15, 2017 6:47 pm

The debate will go on even if the temperatures fall over ten – fifteen years. Is it the begin of an ice age, or natural variation, or only a pause in warming?

August 15, 2017 6:57 pm

Why no mention of James Hansen? He is the poster child of the true believer, shunted aside because his extreme views make all such Paris type agreements out to be nothing but financial frauds. The movement is now in the hands of the pragmatists who are milking the movement for all its worth. It is no wonder there is a split.

Amber
August 15, 2017 7:55 pm

The true colors of climate silencers is part of the current larger hissy fit from those who simply want what they want , including rewriting history to fit their values . Don’t like a sculpture tear it down .
These were the witch burners of yester year .
The new police oath is stand and video .

Orson
August 16, 2017 2:12 am

Paul, I think there’s a better way to argue your point with AGW-believers. Let’s recap his thesis and then state my refinements.
So much stasis and repetition of themes, claims and counterclaims, Paul writes. “So when something does appear to change it’s worth taking note of. I have a feeling that a split may be developing on the ‘warmist’ side, between what we might call the ‘extremists’ and the ‘moderates’. ”
I’ve noticed a split too. And until now, I thought I was alone in my perceptions.
I’ve been writing up my sceptic thoughts to a Believer audience of science savvy readers in a philosophy group (“Denver philosophy” at meetup.com). And here’s my title – worth quoting because it frames my thesis – “Global warming? How the ‘climate crisis’ ends…with a whimper, not a bang.”
In contrast to Paul’s generalization of two groups, I focus on the loss of the “settled science” consensus front among leading alarmist climate scientists. “The science is settled” has been the advocate’s mantra since the Great Prophet James Hansen spoke to Congress in June of 1988. And in a presentation to Doctor’s for Disaster Preparedness in 2014 (I think), Richard Lindzen noted that ‘science fads’ often appear to run in roughly 30 year intervals – an anniversary falling to us next year for dangerous man-made global warming.
To list a few examples of science fads: the eugenics scare – which emerged from seemingly dangerous falling IQs of subnormal immigrants, discovered from mass Army testing in 1918 (ie, World War One conscripts); chemophobia sparked by dangerous pesticides like DDT by Rachel Carson in 1962; and global overpopulation – or ‘Population Bomb’ from 1968.
Last night, I added the necessity of doing a detailed timeline to better document my thesis. Therefore, instead of two groups like Paul, I wonder if it is three or even four?
Gaia theorist James Lovelock outright REVERSING his opinion, based on the evidence of a lack of dangerous measured global warming. Then there’s a growing recent group of temporizing scientists who keep up the old-time religion by moving the goalposts: people like Mann and Ben Santer, as well as James Hansen (I think).
Finally, there are people like Sir John Houghton, who, when he retired last decade, turned to religion to promote science: he invoked religious ethics to DO something to contain that Devil, man-made Carbon Dioxide. Joining him since then are NCAR’s director Kevin Trenberth in his debate at the University of Colorado at Boulder, April 2014. And now Al Gore chimes in: ” Former Vice President Al Gore told a Catholic priest that tackling man-made global warming is ‘not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual issue’ during a town hall event on CNN Tuesday night.” (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/08/al_gore_calling_global_warming_a_spiritual_issue.html)
Last but not least – what do we do with the late Stephen Schneider? Instead of religion, he invokes not natural science but social sciences – global warming theory ought to be judged more like education policy or crime policy! In other words, falsification need not apply. Instead, we have to wait three or more decades to find out if it works. (SEE the final chapter in “The Age of Global Warming” by Rupert Darwall. Apparently, Schneider says this in lectures that may be found online.)
At any rate, three or four groups – the point is that Hansen announced a party-line front in 1988. And ever since then, despite his lie then that even human attribution was “science,” we’ve heard that “the science is settled.”
If the science is “settled,” then how come we see this breakdown in consensus justifications? How come leading “scientists” are turning away from natural science? Maybe it wasn’t scientific after all? Or has the failure and falsification become too much to deny?
In either case, regardless of one’s chosen Prophet of Doom, one either rationalizes away the prediction failures or else move on to find “better” oracles – New Prophets of Doom?
My thesis is that Believers in CGWA now face a serious dilemma – and road opening up several forks ahead offer the opportunity for serious people to re-think their “settled science” thinking.

Dr. Strangelove
August 16, 2017 4:26 am

Al Gore is a grotesque and annoying figure. I would advise the green groups to denounce him and get rid of him if they want public support. Get somebody more pleasant and respectable to represent you like Lisa Randall or Richard Alley. Many of the your spokesmen are just annoying and dumb

Dr. Strangelove
Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
August 16, 2017 4:48 am

Other annoying green figures: Naomi Oreskes, Michael Mann, Bill Nye, John Cook, John Holdren, James Hansen, etc. and all placard-bearing shouting activists. Flush them down the drain for your own good

Dr. Strangelove
August 16, 2017 5:21 am

BREAKING NEWS FROM GERMANY!! WUWT dislodged NoTricksZone as the top producer of “fake news”
“Watts Up with That is one of the most radical climate-denier blogs that exists in the entire Internet. This site has only one purpose, namely to permanently produce fake news… ”
http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.KAZ1y2NY.dpbs

TA
Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
August 16, 2017 10:09 pm

Gotta love it!