Trump Supporter and Climate Skeptic Nigel Farage to Have a Major Role in the New UK Government

Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, source Breitbart

Donald Trump and Nigel Farage, source Breitbart

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The frantic effort to assemble a workable government out of Britain’s recent national election shambles has taken a delightful new twist, with a surprise demand that Nigel Farage be given a key role in Britain’s new government.

Nigel Farage to be given role in Brexit talks under DUP-Conservative deal – reports

  • Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage could be ennobled or given key government role under a DUP deal.
  • British Prime Minister Theresa May to face important talks in proposed alliance deal between the Conservatives and the DUP.
  • Farage has previously hinted at a return to politics and has been in talks with UKIP’s largest funder.

| @_karengilchrist

British Prime Minister Theresa May could be under pressure to give extreme Eurosceptic Nigel Farage a key role in Brexit negotiations if she strikes an alliance deal with Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), according to new reports.

Senior figures in the DUP have told May that she should keep Farage close and allow him to contribute to EU talks in an effort to prevent him from returning to the helm of UKIP, the party he once led, and launching a counter-campaign against her Conservative party, sources told the Sunday Times.

The figures have also suggested that Farage’s suspected return to UKIP could be abated with the promise of a peerage. Farage is said to have been in talks with Arron Banks, one of the party’s biggest donors, on Friday to discuss the future of UKIP, one of the Conservative’s closest competitors.

“They hold a few cards,” the source said. “They want Farage as a lord or a role in government or he and Arron will put something together that will cause trouble for May.”

Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/12/nigel-farage-to-gain-brexit-role-under-dup-conservative-deal–reports.html

While climate isn’t Nigel Farage’s primary concern, there is no doubt he is a skeptic. For several years, Lord Monckton served as Nigel Farage’s UKIP climate spokesman.

The Democratic Unionist Party, who are making the demand, hold the balance of power in the new UK parliament. Their support is absolutely essential for any hope for embattled British PM Theresa May to form a stable government.

This is a wholly unexpected and delicious twist from the fallout of a UK election, which until polling day presented the British people with a choice between hardline green globalists and raving loony green globalists.

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197 thoughts on “Trump Supporter and Climate Skeptic Nigel Farage to Have a Major Role in the New UK Government

      • This is simply completely fanciful.

        Michael gove has been made environment secretary who demanded climate change be removed from schools geography courses….but instead put it into science classes

        Tonyb

    • This is what melanie phillips calls for in her post today explicitly to send a message over brexit not being negotiable.

      Also I warned last week that jeffrey sachs was involved with numerous other activities beyond climate change. This today https://gemreportunesco.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/the-2020-gem-report-will-be-on-inclusion-and-education/#more-10323 has him also in charge of the global education reports that drive K-12 ‘reforms’ in every country in ways few understand accurately.

      It lies at the core of the SDGs to create a different kind of consciousness known as Arationality.

      Makes it easier to sell CAGW too.

      • Except for a couple of dozen Freedom Caucus members, the vast majority of today’s Republicans might as well be Bernie Sanders supporters, Griff. (They supported everything Big O wanted–’nuff said!)

      • Griff, this why I am an Independent. Left the corrupt democrat party 25 years ago,never joined the Republican party,but been voting for some of the republicans running for office,NEVER for a democrat!

      • More conservative on some issues, but less Euroskeptic, which is the relevant concern. Like other Northern Irish, they want to keep free trade with the Republic.

    • Exactly, Paul. unless AGW has caused hell to freeze over, it’s not going to happen, more’s the pity.

    • Eric Worrall:

      God alone knows where the idea of Farage becoming part of UK government originated; UKIP’s PR machine? Support for his Party (UKIP) has collapsed, and Farage has repeatedly failed to get elected as an MP including in the recent General Election.

      No single Party won that General Election, The Tories won most Parliamentary seats but lost their overall majority in Parliament. Therefore, the Tories are seeking alliance(s) with other Parties to obtain a coalition that will give them an ability to form a working government. Farage is not an MP, UKIP has no MPs and its political influence has evapourated with its loss of support from the electorate. The Tories have nothing to gain except even more loss of credibility from allying with Farage or being seen as allaying with Farage..

      In summation, Farage becoming part of UK government is as likely as me jumping to the moon.

      Richard

      • Respectfully Sir, you are correct as far as you go, save that the Tories did win the election by 318 to 262 seats. They may have lost seats while Labour gained, but that is irrelevant as a matter of law and the constitutional conventions. That they are technically short of an absolute parliamentary majority is also irrelevant.

        The Tories were (and remain by convention and law) the government of the day. Being short an absolute majority simply means they have to seek consensus to pass legislation, rather than ram their agenda through. That is no bad thing – and on the main issue of the day ie Brexit, the Labour and Tory manifestos are clear – UK leaves the Common Market. Even John McDonnell acknowledged that in interviews, several times.

        As to Farage costing the Tories credibility – that may be the view of London or Westminster elites and chattering classes (consisting of the sort that advised May to go to the country with the manifesto she did). As the outcome of the election clearly demonstrates, these people simply have no idea what the views are of the country beyond the M25.

      • Farage did not stand in the election last week – so of course he could not be elected .

        I agree with KO that Farage working with the Tories could enhance their prospects with a significant chunk of the electorate.

      • KO is quite correct: Farage is extremely popular with huge swathes of the British public. He is the most effective politician of his generation: he more or less single-handedly forced the Referendum onto the ‘Establishment’ and was personally instrumental in securing the Brexit vote. In my own area of East Anglia which voted around 70% for Brexit, Farage is much admired, and there is huge anger at the continued cold-shouldering from the main party politicians.

        Farage didn’t stand in the recent election, having had the Thanet seat stolen from him by the Tories in 2015. Quite a number of ballot boxes went ‘missing’ for a few hours before the count that night. Anyone who knows the area, and the politics on the ground there, is quite sure Farage won the vote, even though he didn’t win the count. It’s now the subject of a corruption enquiry.

        I’m not a UKIP member but I can recognise a successful politician when I see one. The main reason Farage is so effective is that he is always in total command of his brief, and is very fast on his feet. Nobody in the UK understands the workings of the EU better than he does; using his expertise in this area to facilitate negotiations would not make him ‘a part of the UK government’.

      • richardcourtney
        I disagree entirely. There are very many voters in Britain who would be delighted to see Farage as a member of the government whether he is an MP or not. He has a powerful following and would be great support for Mrs May, Brexit and a powerful sceptic global warming voice. Get him in asap.

      • KO:

        I said

        No single Party won that General Election, The Tories won most Parliamentary seats but lost their overall majority in Parliament. Therefore, the Tories are seeking alliance(s) with other Parties to obtain a coalition that will give them an ability to form a working government.

        That is true, but you have replied

        Respectfully Sir, you are correct as far as you go, save that the Tories did win the election by 318 to 262 seats. They may have lost seats while Labour gained, but that is irrelevant as a matter of law and the constitutional conventions. That they are technically short of an absolute parliamentary majority is also irrelevant.

        That is twaddle! A victory is NOT observed by counting individual battles won.
        The Tories lost their overall majority and no amount of spin can reasonably portray that as a victory especially when they chose to call the election when they had no need to.

        Richard

      • KO, Old England, San The First and George Lawson;

        Your hopes, wants and pipe dreams do not alter the fact that there is no chance whatsoever of the Tories bringing Farage into their government because – as I explained – they have nothing to gain from doing it and they don’t like him.

        Richard

    • A bit OT but the Coservative platform on Climate is a very broad church.
      They leave themselves plenty of time to sort things out.
      ‘An independent review into the Cost of Energy, which will be asked to make recommendations as to how we can ensure UK energy costs are as low as possible, while ensuring a reliable supply and allowing us to meet our 2050 carbon reduction objective…We were the first country to introduce a Climate Change Act, which Conservatives helped to frame, and we are halfway towards meeting our 2050 goal of reducing emissions by eighty per cent from 1990 levels.’

      I am sure if they can fit in the Scots and Northern Irelanders, there will be a safe place for Farage.

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    On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Watts Up With That? wrote:

    > Eric Worrall posted: ” The frantic effort to assemble a workable > government out of Britain’s recent national election shambles has taken a > delightful new twist, with a surprise demand that Nigel Farage be given a > key role in Britain’s new government. Nigel Farage to be given ” >

    • One or two people may have “called for it” but the CNBC headline “Nigel Farage to be given role in Brexit talks”, as if it’s established fact, is certainly fake news.

      The Express, remember, is the paper that regularly has stories claiming that Britain is about to be plunged into a record-breaking Arctic freeze this winter.

  2. First Eric, for you to notice, Nigel Farage’s UKIP elected 0 (ZERO, yes, a round and empty ZERO!!!) seats. It gives you an idea how much Britains respect Nigel Farage elusive and windy ideas. Do not put any bet in this guy because all europeans, including Britains, are aware that he is a joke, almost behaving like a mental retarded, who lived basically from payment from the EU parliament. Only Trump see any merits in this guy, go figure… As a climate skeptic myself I do not want, by no means, to be confused with this guy’s ideas.

    • Farage had nothing to do with UKIP at the GE, it was Paul Nuttals UKIP as Farage had stepped down.

    • First JN its NOT Nigel Farages UKIP

      It never was and after he resigned as leader it was torn apart by people who turned out to be conservative plants leaving it and slating it.

      And it did gain 15% of the popular vote last election. Coming third behind the two main parties.

      That it won not a single seat was down to the nature of UK politics and geography.

      As for your unpleasant attacks on Nigel, I will leave others to judge a man who has campaigned tirelessly for and end to Britain’s membership of the European union and has had almost no free time for a decade as a result.

      You may think that is a misguided objective, but you cannot slight Nigel’s dedication to achieving it, or his instant resignation from UKIP once he considered that he had.

      • Leo, that was until people listened what he said in the day after the Brexit referendum. Basically the guy did the mess, which will be a costly decision for Britain, and the day after washed his hands from it. i do not agree with most of the EU organization and politics. That does not mean that you cannot make your effort to improve it. The world is no more a place for be proudly alone but to establish bridges for cooperation and strong alliances, where national autonomy can be, of course, defended. That’s the right way to improve things, not be segregative. This Nigel Farage is an opportunist, which only known activity is being milking the EU parliament for more that 20 years, the same one he stands against. My grandmother use to say that “we should not spit in the dish you eat from”. You can improve the dish, you can demand it to be cleaner, etc.

      • JN

        you are making predictions of post Brexit economics as irrational as the predictions made by climate alarmists. And without wanting to get into a debate over the rights and wrongs of Brexit, the fact remains that the UK represents 20% of EU GDP, France is another 20% and Germany 30%, the rest is split amongst the remaining members at about 1%GDP each. No organisation I’m aware of can take an overnight 20% hit to its turnover without suffering badly. The UK, on the other hand, retains 100% of it’s 20%. From that perspective, there is nothing wrong with Brexit.

        UKIP and Farage promoted the concept of immigration control, something like stopping 400+ British National ISIS fighters who returned to the UK without challenge. Since then we have had 3 terrorist attacks in the country, I don’t believe that’s coincidental. Prior to Farages pressure on immigration, the UK had no idea of the net immigration numbers so from that perspective, I think he did the country a favour by making our government do some simple arithmetic.

        And whilst unrestricted immigration might seem like a nice cosy idea and good for the host countries, what damage does it do to the source countries who lose academics and workers to wealthy western Europe to work as toilet cleaners? From almost any perspective, apart from the wealthy west’s, uncontrolled immigration is a bad deal.

        But more than that, Farage wanted us out from under the yoke of a European Bureaucracy with no elected or answerable officials making deals, laws and regulations in secret whilst the taxpayer is expected to cough up for expensive and frequently insane projects, not least climate change, that serves only a protectionist state. We may also have dodged a bullet by avoiding Germany raising a European Army, something I never believed would ever be considered again.

        You might also bear in mind that all but one of the most oppressive states of the 20th Century, The USSR, Nazi Germany, China, Spain and N. Korea, amongst others, were left, or extreme left wing organisations which UKIP is palpably not.

        And UKIP are, to my knowledge, the only UK party with a member who actually knows what he’s talking about relative to climate change, Roger Helmer.

        So what’s more important? Dealing with the problem of immigration control every country in Europe is objecting to, which will, in part at least, be addressed by Brexit anyway, or dealing with a bogus climate scam which the UN has confessed is it’s route to global governance?

        I have never voted UKIP but its value to this country is considerable. Some might see the current political situation as a mess, but I consider it a huge opportunity, and it’s regrettable that Farage won’t represent the country in an official manner as he’s one of the most intellectually capable politicians in the country.

      • HotScot June 12, 2017 at 6:57 am

        Very well said indeed, HotScot. I concur with all you said. Nigel Farage though, is rather polarising I admit; a little bit like Marmite – people seem to either love him or hate him. I put myself in the first bracket. There are few, if any, of the current crop of politicians who have as much charisma as he does though.

        You mentioned the excess migration suffered by this country (the UK). I must remind people that it is only a small group of islands with VERY finite room and resources regarding housing, education establishments, the NHS services etc, all of which are under enormous strain to cope. It seems the majority of migrants are young and, not unnaturally, procreate, thereby putting more strain on our limited resources.

        Personally, I would love to see Nigel taking a leading position. He’s not one to be hampered by political correctness either!

      • Tony,

        IMO Leo was referring to the 2015 election, in which UKIP finished third in popular vote, with about 13% of the total.

      • HotScot
        I’m not sure the economics are as simplistic as you imply.
        Just taking the car industry in the UK. When the EU suffers as a result of Brexit and tariffs being imposed (not to mention a fall in the value of the £) and car sales fall in both the EU and the UK and cuts are made by hard nosed industrialists. 70% of car components are imported into the UK and will effectively have tariffs applied twice, once on import and again on exported finished vehicles. Where do you think the cuts will be made? Mini (BMW) already manufacture in Holland and could move new models there or to Bavaria, Toyota in France Macron would be happy to encourage a move over the channel, GM-Vauxhall are owned by PSA of France (Google Ryton in Coventry for their track record). Land Rover-Jaguar are owned by an Indian company, Lotus by a Malaysian company neither have a reason to stay UK based. The only UK manufacturers not able to shift into Europe are Honda, Nissan and Morgan, Nissan have been promised subsidies for electric car infrastructure. The UK has the most relaxed laws on firing employees and closing factories. Many other non-UK owned global companies will apply the same thought processes.

        Freedom of movement wasn’t a problem when UK pensioners moved to sunnier countries, for many years the UK was a net exporter of people to the EU. Only when Tony Blair made the grave error of not restricting movement from the new members and employers of all sorts discovered cheap workers did it become an issue. Something else Blair/Brown screwed up. It does raise the interesting question of what happens when EU citizens working in the NHS go in one direction passing infirm pensioners coming home in the other. As you can see I may be amongst the infirm re-imports.

      • Tariffs are irrelevant to trade these days. Something that can be sorted in a few minutes. Non-tariff barriers is a completely different world and that is where the problems lie. Not that many understand this, and Farage would certainly be among them. For the leader of a party dedicated to leaving the EU you would think he should be on top of the subject but sadly he didn’t do detail. So therefore despite being dedicated to leaving the EU, Ukip had no exit plan. In fact Farage was against having a referendum, he wanted to win seats in parliament and force it through that way. That was never likely. To his credit he got Ukip to the point of scaring Cameron into promising a referendum to buy off Ukip votes. The problem Cameron had was to then win the 2015 election when he didn’t want to.

      • Thank you Hot Scot. Farage irritates the hell out of the chattering classes and the political establishment, but he’s damn effective at representing the views of the ordinary people of this country, those views which have been dismissed for generations.

        Polling third place in the GE of 2015 was a terrific achievement. UKIP won far more votes than several parties who did send MPs to Westminster. It’s pretty certain that Farage did win the seat he contested, as anyone who knows the constituency would have told you. Why did several ballot boxes go missing on the night?

        As for living off the EU: Farage took his salary to plough into UKIP to achieve the party’s goal of securing Brexit. Good for him! He didn’t need to live off the salary himself – he was already well off. He’s been a successful businessman in the real world, unlike most politicians.

    • Corrections:-
      1. “Britons” is the correct spelling (not Britains).
      2. “mental retarded” – this is an illiterate phrase; seek advice from a teacher of English.

      • Warren, you should notice when a person is not writing in his mother language. I would’t criticize you for not speaking mine as good as I do. I guess that despite my apparent illiteracy, you got the idea…

      • JN, if we didn’t notice it’s probably because you write very well in your second (or third or …..?) language. Congratulations. : > )

    • He left the party after his job was done. If the Conservatives start backtracking he will be back and he will regain his following.

    • ,

      Do not put any bet in this guy because all europeans, including Britains, are aware that he is a joke,

      Well, as he said having secured Brexit vote : you’re not laughing now , are you?

      He’s is not a joke, he is very articulate and witty. He has a comical face but don’t be fooled. He has succeeded in making probably the most significant change in european politics in at least a generation.

      If you don’t like his position that is another thing.

    • Just your opinion June, without Nigel there would have been NO referendum and NO Brexit, I gather you are in the remain camp.

    • First of all the UKIP party is in the process of disbanding. Nigel Farage stood down as leader after the referendum vote as the job was done. They did not bother to raise money for candidates at this election. If you care to look at the last election you will see that 12.7% of the UK voted for UKIP but with the archaic voting system meant they did not gain a seat but the SNP had only 4.7% of the vote managed to get 56 seat, nearly 10% of the seats available. You know full well that the support is still there in the UK and thst YOU see him as a joke, not the UK or Europe where he has been a constant thorn in the side of Juncker and others. Counting the numbers of seats won in a UK election is a very easy was to hide the true level of voting and is as reliable as climate data.

      • The UK rejected a form of proportional representation in a referendum, so one assume they are happy with this the FPTP system which leads to strong and stable government.

      • IIRC, what Brits rejected was a form of ranked voting, aka instant runoff voting. Alas.

      • in the last election most of those who voted for UKIP because of Brexit voted for the Conservatives. Some, who were primarily just anti-establishment or angry at May voted Labour. There was not much reason to vote UKIP, since Brexit was now a reality in some to be determined form, unless they were a party member or some such thing.
        Incidentally, the reason the Conservatives lost so many voters so quickly was because they put up a proposal that would result in middle-class people having to pay more money for social care (such as nursing home care, which is not free) and it will be taken out of people’s estates, including their houses. Essentially the government would take half the value of your house when you die if you went into a nursing home. This was not popular. Didn’t really have that much to do with Brexit, Corbyn being popular, or May being unpopular.

    • JN – I’m intrigued by your comment about his elusive and windy ideas. Which ones exactly? In my opinion he speaks the truth that political correctness tries to conceal. He must be onto something because Soros spends so much time and money trying to shut Nigel down!

      • Well said Christopher. Farage is hugely admired by most patriots here. Visiting any of the Brexit pages on Facebook – and there are quite a few – will make this very clear. We would never have secured Brexit, something I have longed and striven for, for nearly 40 years – without Farage’s energy and determination, allied to a complete and detailed grasp of his brief (ie the EU in all its baroque and corrupt workings).

    • ” Only Trump see any merits in this guy, go figure…”

      I see merit in Farage. To me, he looks like one of the few sensible European polticians around. England would thrive under Farage, imo. England currently seems to be sinking into the socialist swamp, so Farage may be just what the doctor ordered. You could bet there would be a fine relationship between the U.S. and Britain if Farage were in the driver’s seat. That would certainly beat having to deal with the communist, anti-American, British Labor party.

      They call Farage an “extreme Eurosceptic”. That’s how the Left labels all their opponents on the right. All of them are extreme, according to the Left, if they are anywhere to the right of socialism/communism/totalitarianism.

      The European Far Left calling the Right extreme. That’s ironic.

    • JN,
      I like Farage.
      When the citizens of EU are paying $100 per day to prop up an out-of-control European “Parliament”, they might like Farage too.
      When the people of the USA, Canada and Australia are paying $100 per week for unreliable renewable energy, then those folk might also come around to like Nigel Farage.
      Incidentally, those two little monetary predictions aren’t quite as far away as the naïve folk in our societies might think.

    • It appears to be a bit of media sh*t stirring as the Express has the story as well, as Leo Smith above posted.

  3. Eric,
    You may be right or not and I rather fancy that the truth of it will emerge this week.
    Do let us know what you think when you see the boat being launched. Thanks as ever.
    Regards,
    WL

  4. With 30-some members in Parliament, including a near-sweep in its home territory, the DUP is a substantial, or at least non-fringe, party. Its climate-skeptic position falsifies the common warmist and MSM claim that the U.S. is the only country with a non-fringe party that holds such a position.

    • PS: The climate-skeptic parties in Australia, OTOH, ARE fringe entities, even though they hold the balance in the senate there.

    • The DUP has 10 seats out of 650.

      Voting in Northern Ireland is largely on sectarian lines – I very much doubt the number of seats they won has anything to do with their climate policy

      • You’re right about DUP’s having only ten members; I was mislead by a graphic after the election showing 30-some members in the “Other” category.

        It’s also true that their electoral success wasn’t due to their climate-skeptic position. But saying that doesn’t falsify my claim, which wasn’t about the vote-getting prowess of a non-fringe climate-skeptic party, but only about its mere existence. (What I wrote was, “Its climate-skeptic position falsifies the common warmist and MSM claim that the U.S. is the only country with a non-fringe party that holds such a position.”)

  5. IF this comes to pass then this is great news.

    However, I am extremely sceptical that it will come to pass. The Conservatives do not like Farage. The BBC do not like Farage, and they will certainly do their best to scupper such an appointment. There will be a barrage of biased news, more correctly termed views briefing against this appointment.

    • Farage doesn’t like the Tories either so that’s a neat symmetrical arrangement there. To he brutally honest though Farage does have a bit of a problem with the truth for most politician’s and many of the public’s taste. He tells it.

      • Enoch Powell also told the truth from his constituents perspective. He repeated what was being said in the street about Commonwealth immigration and was sacked by Heath for it.

        So much for politicians respecting the view of the people.

        Nor am I passing any judgement either way on the speech.

    • Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t the BREXIT vote an attempt to keep Conservatives from defecting to UKIP?

  6. If May should indeed propose to give Farage a role, that will only give more ammunition to her rivals in her own party and accelerate her downfall. It is kind of strange anyway that she is trying to hang on after her unprovoked election defeat.

  7. If Farage outshines May during the negotiations (as he might with his rhetorical flair), then maybe he’ll be mooted as one of May’s potential replacements should her hold on her position wobble. Farage would have been a far better campaigner for the Conservatives in the recent election than she was. Probably he’d be a better campaigner than the other conservative candidates for the premiership.

    How soon will British bookmakers offer odds on his getting that job? And what will those odds be? At 50-1, a flutter would be a good investment. At 10-1 or lower, it would be a hint to the Tory leadership from the public on what they’d like to happen.

    If Farage got in, he might appoint Monckton to some cabinet position, after he was given a safe seat to campaign in by the timely retirement of a current MP. It would be worth doing just for lulz. (I wonder if this thought has occurred either of them. I suspect it has.)

    Such an appointment would give progressive Britons their very own Derangement Syndrome, and non-progressive ones a fit or ten of Jovian laughter.

    • PS: If Farage were allowed into Parliament via election to a safe seat retired-from for his convenience, then the rhetorical flair he showed in the EU parliament would also stand out vs. Labour in Parliament and entertain Britons watching the highlights on TV. Britons like quick-witted and witty personalities in Parliament. The Tories need such a person—they are mostly “Wets.”

    • Roger, Farage isn’t a member of the Conservative party. The Conservative party loathes Farage and Farage loathes the Conservatives. There is more chance of Kim Jong-un holding office with the Tories than Nigel Farage.

      • Well, the Conservatives allowed one non-Conservative MP to cross the aisle and become a big-time PM.

      • Maybe a Conservative MP who likes Farage more than his own party (and apparently there are such persons) would retire, giving Farage a chance to win under the UKIP banner. He would win if the Conservative party didn’t contest the seat. And they might not contest it, fearing that doing so would split the vote and give the seat to Labour. At 50-1, it’s worth a flutter. Kim Jong-un is a 500,000-1 shot.

      • Roger
        The PM you are referring to crossed the floor (not the “aisle”) a second time to rejoin the Conservative Party

    • I think we’re all getting a little carried away here :)

      Wishful thinking perhaps, Farage and Monckton, what a double act.

  8. This is excellent news. Finally Nigel Farage will uproot himself from the European parliament seat.

  9. Nigel Farage is the only outstanding politician we have had in the UK since Margaret Thatcher. All the PMs and most of the MPs since her have been a bunch of losers.

  10. Never going to happen.

    Farage is toxic to the Tory party (as is failed UKIP)

    And Trump isn’t too popular… which is why Downin gStreet is leaking he has cancelled his UK trip (said to May he wasn’t coming if there were going to be protests -and for sure there would be)

    Some of the DUP are climate skeptics… (they are also anti gay, anti abortion and linked to a dodgy sectarian past.)

    But the UK govt as an entity is firmly pro climate science, the climate act and more renewables (except for Gove, newly returned to cabinet)

    • Griff,

      Could you supply any evidence that the DUP is anti-gay? Do their policies include imprisonment of homosexuals? Do their policies include exclusion of homosexuals from employment? Do their policies include exclusion of homosexuals from studying at universities?
      If you mean that they do not agree with changing the definition of marriage that has been used by all civilisations for thousands of years then say so. But don’t use silly terms such as ‘anti-gay’.
      The Guardian called the DUP ‘climate deniers’. We all know how silly and meaningless that term is, and perhaps insulting. Similarly using the term ‘anti-gay’ in relation to the DUP is silly, meaningless and insulting.
      Anti-abortion? Yes. They actually believe that unborn babies have a right to life. It’s strange, isn’t it that in the UK it is illegal to remove eggs from birds’ nests but not illegal to end the life of an unborn human being. And if an unborn baby has any kind of slight disability such as a cleft lip its life can be terminated right up to birth. Oh, and it’s okay in England to abort a baby just because it’s a girl.
      A dodgy sectarian past? That’s another of those undefined claims made without providing any evidence. What exactly is meant by ‘dodgy’? (For the record, I’m not a Protestant. I’m actually a Catholic and if I lived in Northern Ireland I would probably vote DUP as it is the only party that still stands for traditional Christian morality. Sinn Fein is no more Catholic than Donald Trump is a Democrat.)

    • Depends how you measure failure, Griff. By your lights, Caroline bloody Lucas and her Green party are even bigger losers. hey certainly polled a great deal less that UKIP in 2015.

    • Griff,

      The UKIP obviously succeeded spectacularly, but as a one-issue party, its success meant its end. As shown in the recent election, its adherents went backs to their former parties now that the UK is indeed seeking the independence which the UKIP sought.

      • Electorally they were a complete bust. Very many of their candidates/spokespeople have had to suddenly resign/withdraw after making fools of themselves. They were just our Nigel and Aaron’s money.

      • As if Labour and Tories have never made fools of themselves or been found guilty of various violations.

        You’re a hoot!

    • “And Trump isn’t too popular… which is why Downin gStreet is leaking he has cancelled his UK trip (said to May he wasn’t coming if there were going to be protests -and for sure there would be)”

      This lie has been denied on both sides of the Atlantic, Griff.

      • More accurately I should say: This “MSM” lie has been denied on both sides of the Atlantic, Griff.

  11. Leaders of the Conservative party hate Farage and any attempt by a Tory prime minister to give him the time of day, let alone a serious role, would destroy the party and collapse what little of a government we have at the moment.
    His appointment to any negotiating role with the EU would have a catastrophic effect and lead to more problems than any possible gain.
    Much better, and non-fake news, is the appointment of Michael Gove to be in charge of the environment department. Gove previously opposed the green corruption in British schools whereby our school textbooks have been turned into half-witted propaganda about modern life destroying everything.
    Hopefully he will go after the unending nonsense that is big green.

    • But he won’t: UK govt is committed to renewable energy, the climate act and climate science

      • Griff, the Government and the Civil Service may be committed to renewables and the climate act, but they certainly aren’t paying any attention to climate science. If they were they would scrap both the climate act and the commitment to renewables.

      • This is amazing. Not only is Griff an expert on “climate science”, he is an expert on UK politics.

      • I live there and vote there Jim…

        Seems to me there’s a lot of folk posting here who have an expert opinion on Trump’s govt ?

      • Corbyn’s commitment to the climate consensus is lukewarm, as has often been noted. Maybe his party, plus closet-skeptic Conservatives (who exist, as has also been noted), plus the DUP, could unwind or dial down Britain’s climate commitments when their high costs, intermittence, and tiny global impact, combined with a recession, becomes plain to a majority of the electorate. That ought to happen within two or three years.

      • Griff – Please read David MacKay’s “Sustainable Energy – without the hot air”. You will find it enlightening and should be able to relate it very easily to your views. The arithmetic he uses is remarkably straightforward. Enjoy!

      • You’re right, Griff. I confused Corbyn’s lukewarmness on Brexit with the different issue of climate change.

      • “Griff June 12, 2017 at 10:14 am

        I live there and vote there Jim…”

        But you don’t do so in Australia, and yet you appear to be an expert on state Govn’t energy and climate policy and renewables here too.

      • Just posted the Consevative climate platform up top in another context.
        An independent review into the Cost of Energy, which will be asked to make recommendations as to how we can ensure UK energy costs are as low as possible, while ensuring a reliable supply and allowing us to meet our 2050 carbon reduction objective…We were the first country to introduce a Climate Change Act, which Conservatives helped to frame, and we are halfway towards meeting our 2050 goal of reducing emissions by eighty per cent from 1990 levels.
        In 33 years a lot of politicians will be earning their well earned pensions.
        If the consevatives were truly comitted they would have already shut down whole counties, as happened in SA, when they introduced renewables.

  12. One could say that Nigel Farage is to the UK politics what Piers Corbyn (not to be confused with his younger brother Jeremy) to the climate science.

  13. My problem in judging the Nigel Farage situation is that all the US sources that cover UK politics are hostile to the UKIP, as with the NY Times, as are the UK press with a significant online presence. It it rather parallel to making a judgement on US politics by following the legacy broadcast media.

    • A friend posted a link to the NYT’s take on our recent election and what it told us about attitudes to Brexit on FB yesterday. It was so wide of the mark I didn’t even bother to finish it. I can’t imagine where they were getting their information, but I’d guess their informant has never been outside the M25 (the London peripheral ringroad).

  14. Here’s how Farage addressed not only the former Belgian prime minister, but also the Belgian people. Sinn Féin in the opposite extreme has a reputation of similar talents.

    • …WOW, that was brutal….sounds like Trump ! Brutally honest, just what the free world needs right now…IMHO

      • Brutal alright, but the clip was taken over 7 years ago. It’s nothing unique or useful either. English can do whatever they want, but I have no intention of being associated with Farage and/or providing a raison d’être for the European watermelon extreme because of him.

      • The insults seem very personal, but they were probably not meant that way – this is just Farage’s way to draw attention to himself and to the EU’s non-democratic way of making decisions and appointments. You don’t have to like the guy, but he clearly is very good at his game.

      • Farage can have his democracy with Prince Charles as the future Head of the Commonwealth. Doesn’t change anything for me though – Americans were right 244 years ago.

  15. Headline:
    Trump Supporter and Climate Skeptic Nigel Farage to Have a Major Role in the New UK Government. (So it’s a done deal, then?)
    What the article actually said:
    British Prime Minister Theresa May COULD BE under pressure to give extreme Eurosceptic Nigel Farage a key role in Brexit negotiations if she strikes an alliance deal with Northern Ireland’s Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), ACCORDING TO NEW REPORTS.
    Senior figures in the DUP have told May that she should keep Farage close and ALLOW HIM TO CONTRIBUTE to EU talks in an effort to prevent him from returning to the helm of UKIP, the party he once led, and launching a counter-campaign against her Conservative party, SOURCES told the Sunday Times.
    Well, not quite, then.
    Headline: “to have a major role”. Article: “allow him to contribute”.
    And it all comes from “new reports” and “sources”.

    Seems like the headline was a bit off mark.

  16. Whatever the ebb and flow of the current political situation here in the UK involving the Tories and the DUP, Nigel Farage, the failed ex-leader of fringe party Ukip, will never be part of it and to suggest otherwise displays a complete ignorance of UK politics, particularly if you choose to use the Daily Express to back your position…

    • So, let me get this right. The UKIP was founded to get Britain out of the EU. Last year, Britain voted to leave the EU. And Farage failed?

      You can say a lot of things about him–that he probably did as much harm as good for his cause, for one–but ‘failed’ is not really one of them.

      “a complete ignorance of UK politics”

      That’s what they were saying last year to anyone who thought Britain would vote ‘leave’.

      • If you’d been following events during the EU referendum campaign you’d have been aware of the fact that Farage was marginalised to the fringe from the start, he had nothing to do with the official Vote Leave organisation, and we won the referendum vote in spite of Farage’s various foot in mouth attempted interjections.

        You can also take Farage’s failed attempts to interject himself as an intermediary between Donald Trump and the UK government as a good example of how anything to do with Farage will always be kept at least two barge poles distant from reality.

        Hth.

      • Jabba, Farage has a huge personal following: if you don’t know this you are not very well informed. Go on any of the big pro-Brexit pages on FB and you might learn just how popular he is. The political establishment does itself no favours by its constant attempts to marginalise him, quite the contrary, it just shows how out of touch with grass roots feeling it is.

    • Are you a D.Nying Putty cat Jabba ?? LOL….I think the MSM laughed about the same thing with U.S. PRESIDENT D.J. Trump…

      • So far Farage has tried and failed seven times to get elected to the HOC as an MP over a period of twenty years, speaks for itself…

  17. Emboldened cabinet Remainers outnumber the cabinet Brexitiers, and the Mekel – Marcon duo know it.

    As far as I see it ‘Brexit means no Brexit’

  18. Emboldened cabinet Remainers outnumber the cabinet Brexitiers, and the Mekel – Marcon duo know it.

    As far as I see it ‘Brexit means no Brexit’

    • Sorry about the second copy of the comment, don’t know how it happened, unless it was double click on the ‘Post Comment’ button

      • Vuk

        Jeremy Corbyn went through the lobbies with the Tories earlier this year to vote in favour of Brexit.. Their shadow chancellor has confirmed they want to leave the single market.

        The current parliament is therefore 90% in favour of Brexit. The leader of the lib dems, the only party to campaign in favour of remaining very nearly lost his own seat.

        Brexit remains on course but hopefully will be a more considered version than the more fanciful versions sometimes suggested.

        Britain is not gong to shoot itself in the foot but wants to regain control over its borders, decide who they can trade with and make its own laws. In other words to have the trappings of a sovereign nation as that word is understood everywhere but the EU

        Tonyb

      • Hi Tony
        Less than 12 months ago 75% + of the Parliament’s members were against Brexit, but they changed their minds ‘pronto’, and if they done it once they could do it again.
        There are 52 weeks in a year and ‘a week is a long time in politics’.

      • Vuk

        That was before the results of the referendum were honoured and article 50 was triggered. In two years we will be out of the EU but hopefully everyone will want to seek a sensible future trading arrangement. We will then be a sovereign country again. Why is that so wrong?
        Tonyb

    • If the Tories wimp out now, they’re done.

      But I still suspect Britain will be the last country to leave the EU, still trying to decide whether or not to go in a few years after all the other countries have left.

      • Now, if the cabinet meetings are held in The Red Lion just across the road, then our Nigel might be interested, otherwise no deal

    • I think it’s very unlikely Mrs May is still a Remainer – if she ever was one. Remember that almost everyone expected the Remainers to win the Referendum (I didn’t)… and career politicians like to be seen to be on the winning team. May kept a very low profile indeed during the Referendum campaign and I felt she was possibly a closet Leaver. She was in any event hedging her bets.

      After the way the EU panjandrums have behaved since the Brexit vote, I can’t imagine why any UK politician would want to stay in the EU. They have grossly insulted May, and from all accounts she is a very unforgiving lady.

    • golly, griff, an ad hominem aimed at a whole newspaper?

      as you well know loads of people thought that then, these days they believe in climate change instead.

      funny old world innit?

    • Every Fall for the past few years the Daily Express has published a front page warning about the coming winter being the ‘Worst winter for decades’ or ‘Coldest winter for 50 years’, etc.

      In September 2015 it published a headline “Coldest winter for 50 YEARS set to bring MONTHS of heavy snow to UK”: http://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/604619/Long-range-weather-forecast-Britain-cold-winter-2015-arctic-snow-freeze

      Winter 2015/16 turned out to be the 2nd warmest in both the UK wide (starts 1910) and Central England (starts 1659) temperature series. Despite this, in November 2016 Express again predicted: “FREEZING BRITAIN: Bitter polar air to bring COLDEST winter for more than FIVE YEARS”. Winter 2016/17 turned out to be the 9th warmest in the UK wide record.

      Have no doubt that Nathan Rao and the Daily Express will yet again be confidently predicting another “Coldest winter since…’ headline come September. It seems to sell newspapers to people who have a memory span of less than 12 months.

    • Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss Robuk, thanks for your attention, obviously sarc/ wasn’t required, but since you’ve asked I’m a man from and of Monte Negro, in the UK just in transit.
      Although currently I’m not concerned with origins or place of the Robuks’ abode I wish you good day and success in all of your endeavours.

  19. The DUP is very socially and culturally conservative, but not a supporter of a strong Brexit because they do not want a strong border between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

    • Nobody wants a strong border. It has been open since 1923, well before the EU. It won’t be a barrier to properly leaving the EU but it might be used as an excuse by duplicitous Remainiacs. There is an open border between Norway and Sweden yet Norway is not in the Customs Union. The Republic is not in Schengen so passports are required to enter from Europe. The UK won’t be stopping tourists. Controls will be around laws associated with employment and residency. Instead of an Iron Curtain the EU uses laws and legal restrictions and regulations to be a European fortress. The sooner the UK is out the better.

  20. God help us if Farage does “help” the government with its negotiations on Britain leaving the EU – he is NO negotiator with or without a peerage!
    Melanie Philips is also wholly ignorant of how the EU works and what the treaties which Britain has signed contain. If we do NOT stay in the single market Britain’s economy will be “toast”. Every container, every lorry load, every plane load will have to be VISIBLY checked by a person. This will hold up movement and regarding food which will go “off” unable to be sold. If Britain leaves the Single market we become a THIRD country to the EU and the name UK will be wiped OFF all treaties, agreements, rules, laws, etc.etc. We start again.
    The DUP do recognise this but do not seem to be suggesting any practical ways except to stay IN the single market to stop this horror happening. If we stay in the Single Market we could use it as a temporary measure while negotiations take place and once most of the difficulties are sorted out (while trade goes on as normal) then we leave the single market after about 5-8 years to branch out on our own.

      • But, Chimp, Norway and Switzerland had to sign up to things like ‘freedom of movement’, which UK politicians can’t, given they promised to control UK borders/reduce immigration…

        The access they have only comes in ‘freedom of movement’ flavor…

    • Switzerland and several other non-EU countries have been getting along fine with the EU. I don’t see any good reason for the EU’s not to give similar terms to the UK, other than vengeance. Come to think of it, Britain did routinely send their dimmest lights as administrators to Brussels, so that would justify some measure of retribution ;)

      • I agree. What’s the problem?

        Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Albania, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia and Turkey seem to manage to trade with the EU without trouble, despite sanctions on Russia.

      • Switzerland although not part of the EU is part of the EEA which has free trade with the EU. The entered negotiations from outside. Norway left what was then the then EU and remained in the EEA.

      • So unless the EU wants to be vindictive to deter other possible leavers, the Norwegian and Swiss examples should make negotiations easy.

      • Chimp, are you aware that
        Albania, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Belarus, Ukraine & Moldova are ‘banana republics’ with the basket case economies.

  21. Farage has an evening show on UK’s LBC talk radio station. None of this was mentioned at all tonight. If he’s silent on a subject I think there might be something in the story, but then again he knows we know he knows so it could be double bluff on his part. Who knows?

  22. The issue is not lorries and containers being checked at borders – although the French had a particular flair for these tactics to annoy the Brits before we joined the EU – it is about people and the multi-national location of modern corporations.
    An example which was missed by most of the MSM in the U.K. was that this weekend Airbus is threatening to move its construction of wings for all European Airbus planes from Britain to mainland Europe unless its managers and employees can move without hinderence between its various factories. This is a perfectly reasonable expectation but if Brexit cocks it up 10,000 direct production jobs will vanish from the U.K. with potentially another 100,000 threatened as a knock on consequence. And a high tech industry is lost. This is not a game and easy throw away lines about no negotiated agreement with the EU being better than a tough deal are irresponsible in the extreme. Britain has to find a way to reach a deal, but so does the EU. Let’s hope cooler heads prevail than the all too loud extremes making the running so far.
    There are lots more Airbus like situations waiting to explode in our faces if we don’t get this right.Small and medium businesses are all very well, but they don’t employ as people. We can’t risk losing the big pan-European companies, banks etc.

  23. There is no such thing as a ‘soft Brexit’. It will be impossible to negotiate with the EU. The idea is delusional.

    The reason is that none of the individuals the UK will be talking to has any popular mandate or accountability. The Parliament itself has no power to initiate legislation. The Commission is unelected. The role which Merkel and Hollande played during the Greek affair was without any democratic mandate for dealing with that matter.

    For this reason, the British will be faced with a lot of public pronouncements of a very conciliatory nature, and then in private will be told to take it or leave it.

    Essentially the EU, in the grip of as great an irrationality and denial as it was over Greek debt, will demand that if Britain wants to export tariff free to the EU, it must accept unlimited numbers of Rumanians and Bulgarians, as many as want to move in and live in Britain.

    No other trading bloc in the world imposes such conditions, and this, the so-called free movement of people, an Orwellian expression if ever there was one, has nothing to do with free trade and everything to do with control.

    It will all blow up, and they will end up leaving by force at the end of the two year notice period, without any deal at all.

    Read Varoufakis ‘Adults in the Room’ if you really want to understand how the EU works and what it is. Also look at the latest French election and Macron’s plans to make the state of emergency permanent. This is not democracy as we know it.

    As usual however, the US, while being very sensitive about its own democracy, will commend to its allies that they give up theirs. It turns out that civil liberties and a constitution are for us, whoever said it was for you too?

  24. Anthony, please take this page down – it is pure nonsense, the epitome of fake news, and does WUWT no credit to publish such rubbish.

    • I agree, whether the story is true that someone has proposed this, the possibility of its happening is infinitesimal. If there is one person the Conservative establishment detests more than Corbyn, its Farage.

  25. I don’t know whether this CNBC story is accurate or not, but there’s no question that this election was an improbable victory for real conservatives, as the so-called “Conservatives” are now forced to reply on the DUP to form a government. Forcing the liberal “Conservatives” into a marriage of convenience with real conservatives might actually do them, and the UK, a lot of good!

    The DUP aren’t perfect conservatives, as demonstrated by their involvement with the “ash for cash”: wood-pellet subsidy “renewable heat incentive.” But they are pro-life, and they’re climate realists who want to put a stop to the crazy leftist politicization of climatology. By UK standards, they are a beacon of Christian decency, scientific integrity & good sense, in an insane age.

    This is a remarkably good outcome for the UK!

    • You missed out the DUP being creationists. This kind of spoils the idea that their beliefs are in any way science based
      Meanwhile the SDLP and Sinn Fein are both equally anti-abortion – and you would call neither of these “real conservatives”

  26. “Prime Minister Theresa May could be under pressure to give extreme Eurosceptic Nigel Farage a key role in Brexit negotiations”

    Extreme Eurosceptic? Oh you mean patriot.

  27. This morning a new Climate Change minister was appointed during the Cabinet reshuffle… with green leanings, apparently

    And after criticism Michael Gove has reaffirmed he supports the science of CLimate Change and thinks Trump was wrong to withdraw from Paris agreement.

    sound like the new govt is going back on climate change???

  28. For all the people who insist negotiations will not be possible.. and all that garbage.
    So here’s a small fact nobody can deny:-
    Governments can give you nothing unless they took it off you earlier.
    The EU was a money pit from day one when we gave up sovereignty of our fisheries and it got worse ever since. Now they demand we pay reparations.. No facts why its owed because there are none.
    Will leave it at that unless someone else comes out with another silly comment copied from a liars notebook..

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