Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez, Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, has claimed in an interview that Pope Francis will “convince” President Trump to take action climate change during their scheduled meeting on May 24th.
Pope to convince Trump on climate change, Sorondo tells ANSA
‘Oil companies rallied against pope’s encyclical’
(ANSA) – Vatican City, May 15 – Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez told ANSA in an interview that he believes the Pope will convince US President Donald Trump to change his mind on climate change. Pope Francis dedicated his ‘Laudato Si’ encyclical to climate change and will be meeting with Donald Trump on May 24, who has signed an executive order dismantling Obama-era environmental legislation.
In the eyes of Sanchez Sorondo, the choices adopted on climate by Trump “are against science, even before being against what the Pope says. In the election campaign he even said it was a Chinese invention to criticize America. But this president has already changed about several things, so perhaps on this as well”.
He added that “today the Chinese are actually very collaborative as concerns the commitments they took on climate with the Paris Climate Conference (the Conference of the Parties, or COP2)”.
The Argentinian bishop, who spoke last week at the University of the Holy Cross at an event marking the two-year anniversary of the Pope’s encyclical, said that “when he was preparing the ‘Laudato Si’, oil lobbies did everything in their power to prevent the Pope from saying what he did, meaning that climate change is caused by human activity that employ fossil fuels.
Perhaps the oil companies wanted a ‘light’ encyclical’ – a romantic one on nature that wouldn’t say anything at all.
Instead, the Pope followed what the scientific community says.
If the president does not follow science, then that is the president’s problem.” On his opinion that the Pope will manage to “convince” Donald Trump, Sorondo said that “they will come to an agreement, since the president claims to be a Christian, and so he will listen to him.”
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As far as rhetoric, Trump is very unclear on climate change. Most of his actual actions with EPA and such do not seem to be pleasing to the greens, so the verbiage might be a smokescreen.
Does tearing up the Paris “Agreement” count as climate action?
Instead, Trump will convert the Pope to capitalism. After all, religion is a damn’ good business.
@texasjimbrock,
Your direction is fine, but an institution selling an idea on a fairy tail isn’t good business.
Who was it said, ‘I do not fear death, I have been dead for billions of years and it caused me no inconvenience’?
A ‘business’ provides a fair, tangible, return on an investment.
The Church generates money through fear of the unknown, despite the unknown being the norm.
Personally, I think today is our punishment, were I to believe in the preaching of religion.
Hell on Earth. A profoundly succinct statement. Death may indeed be a release from the sins of our unknown past.
The Church is the oldest surviving protection racket, the model for the Mafia.
Hot: The correct spelling is “fairy tale”. And the rate of return on small investments (fairy tale creation) is E normous.
In Somalia people are starving to death; the Jemen is hunted by cholera.
The pope doesn’t mention because “it’s in the hands of God”.
– environment is not “in the hands of God” ?
some nitpicking ‘ Keeper of the lambs ‘.
Except here:
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/francis-expresses-grief-killings-yemen-faulting-global-indifference
And here:
https://ugandaradionetwork.com/story/pope-to-donate-holy-thursday-collections-to-war-ravaged-somalia
Griff,
I read your first link and there was no mention of climate. So no idea why you’re introducing it as an argument in a debate on his political imposition, on a subject that he should have no influence over, considering his beliefs are predicated on a scientifically unsound source.
Now whilst that nasty hypocrite dispenses the wisdom of benevolence, understanding, peace and generosity, he presides over an oppressed, celibate clergy who chose to bugger children to satisfy their natural carnal desires.
He condemns contraception, even a damn condom; when his clergy’s buggering of children is proven to spread AIDS, never mind the concept of lifelong mental anguish. And he condemns abortion, even when it’s desirable, or even necessary, in an intellectually evolving global community.
Never mind that he wanders round the Vatican, and the rest of the world, adorned in finery when his saviour demanded a preference for humility and rags.
As an atheist, I like the idea of God and Jesus, but there’s no way on earth anyone can convince me either would subject humanity to the cruelty he has presided over.
Apparently he gave us his son, our one, and only chance to redeem ourselves, and when we rejected him, he abandoned us. Since then, he has taken billions of children from the arms of their grieving parents as punishment, whilst saying, ‘I’ll look after them, you’re not good enough’.
What an effing shining example of tolerance and generosity.
The Pope will need to use the Jedi mind trick to convince Trump that US reduction in CO2 emissions or forced US spending on green scams will in any way affect ‘climate change’.
Green scams do not work (limitation of wind and solar is roughly 10% of average electrical grid output without storage, actual reduction is reduced by energy to construct scheme and lose of grid efficiency due to on/off/off/off power generation).
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/22/shocker-top-google-engineers-say-renewable-energy-simply-wont-work/
China and India have a free pass, however, it does not make any difference how much CO2 a country does or does not emit as the IPCC used fake science to create CAGW.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/endangermentcommentsv7b1.pdf
I suppose there was debate and conflict among the dinosaurs right up to the second that the large-class meteor hit. That too did pass.
T. rex and Triceratops horridus debating and conflicting in Montana, 66 million BC:
http://orig08.deviantart.net/0b0d/f/2015/274/1/b/t_rex_vs_triceratops_by_swordlord3d-d9bd8h3.jpg
“I suppose there was debate and conflict among the dinosaurs right up to the second that the large-class meteor hit.”
Humans are actually doing that today, even with the knowledge of just how dangerous these incoming bodies can be. The dinosaurs may have failed to do something about their plight, but they were ignorant of it. What’s our excuse?
For a tiny fraction of the tens of trillions squandered on so-called “Green energy”, we could have a planetary defense system against Earth-crossing asteroids and comets.
Chimp,
whilst I agree with you on the defence system, seriously, does it really matter?
In the scheme of things, planet earth and it’s inhabitants are inconsequential, despite what we may believe.
So a rock hits us. Will it make any difference whatsoever to the universe?
And even if our individual deaths lasted weeks, or even years, would that suffering matter to anything else in the universe?
Not a bit. And in many ways, the climate debate is just as futile. We should probably just let the insane green maniacs get on with bankrupting the world. It doesn’t stop people growing food, nor breeding animals for food. Laughably, the largely domesticated greeny wouldn’t have a clue how to fish, hunt or cultivate land, other than in a window box.
In short, they would starve and the rest of us capable of leading a life of real conservation, which is the natural human desire to conserve his future, will evolve and leave the greens to their ignorant, stupid poverty.
And yes, tonight I have had a beer!
I think I’ll pour the remainder down the sink.
HS,
Another mass extinction wouldn’t matter to the universe, but it would to those living at the time. Most humans have an interest in continuing to live, even those who recognize that life is meaningless, except in so far as we manage to make our own meaning.
Chimp,
again, whilst I largely agree with you about our common desire to continue living, is it reasonable for our alarmist cousins to terrorise our communities with tales of impending doom.
It is pre medieval behaviour. Over the last several thousand years humankind has successfully sought to improve it’s lot, with barely a sniff of science. Along comes science and incredible knowledge is somehow converted into a lust for intellectual barbarism.
However, I profoundly disagree with you that a mass extinction would matter to those at the time. A millisecond following a mass extinction would matter to no one but survivors.
Your dog dies, you feel grief, the dog feels nothing we know of. You cry, and the dog doesn’t give a monkeys. Who are you crying for, you or the dog?
And it’s religion that’s given us that entirely selfish and fearful response to death. Without it, survivors of a mass extinction would celebrate their survival rather than mourne their loss. Which would be a damn site more productive than the churches promotion of more and more lavish ‘celebrations’ of death.
The best I can hope for in life is that I die painlessly. The most I can hope for in death is that my life is celebrated with the cremation of my remains, in anonymity.
And whilst I don’t believe in the geezer, may God forbid anyone spends more than one minute of their life, mourning mine. I’ll accept a minute of remembrance amongst my immediate family, that’s all. The rest I hope will remember me for what I am, not some misty eyed illusion. However, probably few recollections will be favourable.
What I neither want, nor need, is some liberal green fanatic telling me how to live the limited years I had from birth, when my parents, and grandparents, and probably theirs, fought wars against communism and fascism, to ensure those green lunatics had the freedom to spew their bile.
Peace at any cost is beyond man’s grasp right now.
Damn! How many rant’s can one person have in a few hours?
Sorry.
HS,
It’s reasonable from their standpoint, just as priesthoods and their political masters have always used fear of terrible consequences to exploit the masses.
I wrote this some time ago.
Pope Francis — The Useful Idiot
Sings A Famous Religious Song
(I)
I don’t care if it rains and freezes
Long as I got my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
I’m driving fast to where I’m going
Horn a’honking, headlights glowing
Racing to that global climate war!
It’s Armageddon straight ahead!
For just as Adam Smith has said
Creating wealth sets each against all others!
The Covenant within the Ark
Is best fulfilled through Karl Marx
Shared poverty will make us Christian brothers!
(II)
I preach a new Theology
Derived from Climatology
My alter is the dashboard of my car
I had a vision, went to buy a
Naked, windup, plastic Gaia
I serve her in the global climate war!
For Gaia mends the Trinity
She is the third Divinity
God feminine as Christ was made a male
In all the nations they will herald
The Moving Spirit Of The World
— Who bobs Her head and shakes Her tail!
Eugene WR Gallun
Magic, Eugene.
“Resourceguy on May 18, 2017 at 9:25 am
I suppose there was debate and conflict among the dinosaurs right up to the second that the large-class meteor hit. That too did pass.”
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Resource guy, because you just mentioned –
right, God still remembers !
For all we know Resource guy could be right about the dinosaurs. There could have been an agrarian dinosaur society and we wouldn’t find any clue to that millions of years later. We have still only dug up a fraction of the dinosaur types with new ones being found every year. Most are identified with a limited amount of bones recovered.
Note that man-made “climate change” isn’t a pimple on the posterior of the impact which caused the K/T mass extinction, along with CO2-spewing flood basalt volcanism from the Dekkan Traps, Yet there was no long-lasting effect on climate from those titanic geologic events. The Cretaceous Period was warm and followed by the still warm Paleocene and Eocene Epochs.
The last two ages of the Cretaceous were a little cooler than the hot mid-Cretaceous ages, when much of North America was covered by inland, epicontinental seas and the Rockies were rising. The hottest part of the early Cenozoic, the two epochs mentioned, were warm but a little less so than the mid-Cretaceous, which was the balmiest interval of the Mesozoic and Cenozoic Eras, possibly of the entire Phanerozoic Eon, to include the long Paleozoic Era.
So if the climatic effects of such catastrophes were short-lived, how could man-made “climate change” possibly cause runaway warming? The effects did of course last long enough to kill off many plant and animal species, but that death and destruction probably happened very rapidly, from effects not associated with man-made GHGs.
Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez, Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, isn’t he the one who kept the skeptics from presenting their views to the Pope??
Exactly. The Vatican has been hijacked by people opposed to Christianity.
Trump is more likely to convert this Communist cleric to capitalism and a married, heterosexual clergy than than the paedophile-protecting pope is to convert the president to the false religion of CACA.
Maybe Trump can engineer a palace counter-coup against the Marxist usurper and bring the overthrown, real Christian pope out of “retirement”, ie imprisonment.
But apparently the ousted Christian pope isn’t being silenced. He has endorsed a conservative cardinal’s book on the liturgy, opposed by the Marxist usurper’s imps and minions in the Vatican:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-benedict-praises-cardinal-sarah-the-liturgy-is-in-good-hands
The Pope has no business being so worried about this planet,as he is supposed be laying the groundwork to help his flock go to a better place then this one.
His meddling in the affairs of this world, in my view damages his legitimacy as a “vicar on Earth”, one who was supposed to prepare his flock to leave Earth.
Well, at least the pope’s army and the area it controls is smaller now than they were before 1796, and he doesn’t wage war against his Italian neighbor states any more, as most notably during the Renaissance.
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This Pope is seeking to do to the Church and the world what Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela. This disgustingly transparent take over of the organizations that have helped so many by tiny group if extremists who embrace the most vile and deadly beliefs ever is deeply disturbing.
I invite the Pope and the good Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez to set the example for all of their flock world-wide and be the first to end their use of fossil fuels and live only on renewable energy, as they wish others to do.
Only when such “leaders” decide to actually lead their adherents into such poverty will they realize what “the science” really is, and how much of modern life is completely dependent upon those dastardly oil companies.
The faux pope could start by giving up the air conditioning which he finds so evil when used by mere mortals, not vicars of God.
Trump may well be a lot more astute than the backsliders and Democritters think. After 8 years of appeasement of North Korea a few choice words from Trump, a wandering Nimitz class carrier and he now has both Russia and China lining up troops on the Border against North Korea. It seems the only action Obama would have taken would be to demand more transgender bathrooms in Pyongyang. So now we have the three superpowers glaring across the border at fat Kimmy instead of supporting him. Not a bad achievement for a 100 day President. His failure to get the number of transgender bathrooms increased in North Korea will no doubt be the subject of next weeks Washington Post attack. Cry Trump and let slip the dogs of war.
If anyone has stood outside the massive wall that surrounds Vatican city it will be obvious that Trump will ask for the name of the builders before he leaves!
It is Pope Leo IV’s wall. To construct the wall, he used his estate workers, inhabitants from the surrounding countryside, Saracens captured after the sea battle of Ostia in 849 and funding from an imperial Frankish donation. Yup, that’s right. Involuntary M@slim immigrants built his wall.
BTW, CVN Reagan has now put to sea from Japan, so with the Vinson CSG there are two USN carrier strike groups in the vicinity of the Nork Kimdom.
If the Pope can’t “convert” his own employees into non-pedophiles, how can he “convert” Trump?
Honestly, when was the last time we had two living Popes?
During the Western Great Schism, AD 1378-1414, there were always two, at least once three and, at the end, four popes.
Since then, I don’t know.
I understand that when the pope meets Trump, instead wearing a skull cap the pope will wear a propeller beanie signifying his commitment to wind power.
Eugene WR Gallun
You did it again, Eugene.
No matter what, The big guy, the Pope, still got to be in the cue, the long [pruned]
cheers
Please do forgive me my harshness….
Your crudity is unnecessary and unwanted.
The truth hurts greatly, especially to the ones that have no guts for it…
that is funny, my comment has being pruned…..I love it..:)
It still does not change the truth if one list the self as the greatest sucking prost…it is as simple as that….a prost….
In my parts of Europe as long ago as 1054 (Schism of 1054) people decided they had enough of popes and the papal pontifications. Pope and Patriarch mutually excommunicated each other; it lasted until 1965, when the excommunications were lifted.
Anyone saying this really cannot understand the history of America. The pope does not have a whole lot of influence over people in the US. In my experience catholics are in the minority among Christians there.
Not only that, but, as noted above, few US Catholics pay much attention to the pope’s opinions.
The US RC Church is practically independent. It’s more liberal on social issues than the pope and many adherents are more conservative on economic issues. This pope is popular with “Progressive” Catholics but decidedly unpopular with conservatives, despite the fawning welcome he received in a GOP-controlled Congress.
Dose the Catholic Church understand the concept of the separation of powers?
They seem to need to pull their heads in to me
We know very well in Argentina who these priests are: Pope Francis (aka Bergoglio -we refuse to call him Pope) and his friend Sánchez Sorondo are well known supporters of the former corrupt goverment of the ultra leftists Kirchners, and in the late 60s a former member of the fascist group of Iron Guard, a “guard de corp” of late dictator Juan Peron. But much worse, Bergoglio’s main scientific adviser is self declared atheist Hans-Joakim Schellnhuber, the ultra warmist from PYK, the German Postdam Institute of Climate Research. President Trump is no fool and cannot be trumped by Bergoglio.
If I was the pope I’d be trying to convince Pence.
Wouldn’t work. Pence’s parents were Irish Catholic Democrats. So was he until early adulthood, when he converted both to Evangelical Protestantism and political conservatism. Dunno which conversion saddened his mom more, Protestant or Republican.
My concern was more along the lines of whether the pope will need to speak to Trump on the 24th of May.
Tony,
Do you seriously suppose that Trump won’t still be president then?
What color is the sky on your planet?
Don’t really get irony?
The pope might convert Trump if he drags closet liberal Ivanka along with him…
