Climate alarmists use faulty science and bald assertions to demand end to fossil fuels
Guest opinion by Paul Driessen
All too many alarmist climate scientists have received millions in taxpayer grants over the years, relied on computer models that do not reflect real-world observations, attacked and refused to debate scientists who disagree with manmade climate cataclysm claims, refused to share their computer algorithms and raw data with reviewers outside their circle of fellow researchers – and then used their work to make or justify demands that the world eliminate the fossil fuels that provide 80% of our energy and have lifted billions out of nasty, brutish, life-shortening poverty and disease.
A recent US House of Representatives Science Committee hearing on assumptions, policy implications and scientific principles of climate change showcased this. Testimony by climate scientists Drs. John Christy, Judith Curry and Roger Pielke, Jr. contrasted sharply with that of Dr. Michael Mann.
Christy noted that Congress and the public have been getting biased analyses and conclusions that begin with and attempt to confirm the belief that human greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions drive climate change. He said government should “organize and fund credible ‘Red Teams’ that look at issues such as natural variability, the failure of climate models and the huge benefits to society from affordable energy, carbon-based and otherwise.” He demonstrated how average global temperatures predicted by dozens of models for 2015 are now off by a full half-degree Celsius (0.9 F) from what has actually been measured.
Curry discussed how she has been repeatedly vilified as an “anti-science” climate change “denier” and “disinformer.” But she focused on the role of the scientific method, especially as related to the complex forces involved in climate change – and especially when used to advise on policy and law. Real science means positing and proving a hypothesis with convincing real world evidence. Models can help, but only if they accurately reflect the total climate system and their results conform to real world observations.
Pielke discussed his own mistreatment as a “denier” and showed that there is “little scientific basis” for claims that extreme weather events (tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, droughts) have increased in recent decades due to GHG emissions. In fact, IPCC and other studies reveal that the USA and world have had “remarkable good fortune” with extreme weather in recent years, compared to the past: 23 major hurricanes hit the US East Coast 1915-1964; but only 9 in 1965-2016 – and not one since October 2005. He also offered 18 specific recommendations for improving scientific integrity in climate science.
Mann said the other three witnesses represent a “tiny minority” who stand opposed to the 97% who agree that “climate change is real, is human-caused, and is already having adverse impacts on us, our economy, and our planet.” He defended his “hockey stick” historic temperature graph, claimed climate models have been “tested vigorously and rigorously” and have “passed a number of impressive tests,” insisted that warming [of a couple hundredths of a degree] in recent years proves that manmade global warming “has continued unabated,” and accused those who contest these statements of being “anti-science” deniers.
The “97% consensus” is imaginary – a fabrication. One source was a survey sent to 10,256 scientists, of whom 3,146 responded. But their number was arbitrarily reduced to 77 “expert” or “active” climate researchers, of which 75 agreed with two simplistic questions that many would support. (Has Earth warmed since 1800? Did humans play a significant role?) Voila! 97% consensus. But what about the other 3,069 respondents? 75 out of 3,146 is barely 0.02 percent. Purported consensus studies by Cook, Oreskes and others were just as bogus.
Moreover, governments have been spending billions of dollars annually on climate research. The vas majority went to the alarmist camp. If $25,000 or $100,000 a year from fossil fuel interests can “buy” skeptical scientists, as we are often told, how much “consensus” can billions purchase? If many scientists who contest “dangerous manmade climate change” are harassed, or threatened with RICO prosecutions, how many will have the courage to speak out and challenge the “consensus” and “settled science”?
These are timely questions. On April 12, 1633 the Catholic Church convicted astronomer Galileo Galilei of heresy, for refusing to accept its doctrine that the Sun revolves around the Earth.
But far more important, the climate battle is not merely a debate over miasma versus germ theory of disease, AC versus DC current, or geologic mechanisms behind plate tectonics. It’s far more even than disagreements over how much humans might be affecting Earth’s climate, or how bad (or beneficial) future changes might be, on a planet where climate fluctuations have occurred throughout history.
Manmade climate catastrophe claims are being used to justify demands that the United States and world eliminate the carbon-based fuels that provide 80% of the energy that makes modern industry, civilization and living standards possible – and that continue to lift billions of people out of poverty and disease.
Climate alarmists want that radical transformation to take place right now. McKinsey & Company, the UN and assorted activists say the world must spend some $93 trillion over the next 15 years to convert completely from fossil fuels to “sustainable” energy! Or it will be too late. Our planet will be doomed.
Claims and demands like those require solid, incontrovertible proof that climate alarmists are right. Not just computer models, repeated assertions, “peer review” among like-minded researchers seeking their next government grant, or a partial-degree of warming amid multiple El Niños and cooling cycles. They require “Red Team” analyses and open, unfettered debate over every aspect of human and natural influences on Earth’s climate, the ways carbon dioxide improves plant growth, and the need for abundant, reliable, affordable electricity and motor fuel for every person in every nation.
We haven’t had any of that so far. Up to now, climate chaos is just one more Club of Rome supposedly looming disaster, supposedly caused by human intervention in natural processes, supposedly requiring immediate, fundamental changes in human behavior, to avoid supposed global calamities – threats to the very survival of our wildlife, civilization and planet. It’s all assertions, devoid of persuasive evidence.
It’s true that virtually all nations have signed the Paris accords. However, only President Obama signed it for the USA; the Senate never ratified the decision. And the US reduced its CO2 emissions by 12.5% since 2007, while Europe’s carbon dioxide emissions rose 0.7% in one year, 2014-2015.
Britain is looking into rescinding some 2020 clean energy targets and using more coal and natural gas. EU nations are realizing that overpriced, unreliable wind and solar power is hammering families and killing their jobs and economies. Virtually all the developing nations that signed onto the Paris (non)treaty did so because they were promised trillions of dollars in climate “adaptation, mitigation and reparation” money.
That brings us to another April anniversary: the 1815 eruption of Indonesia’s Mt. Tambora. This monumental volcanic explosion blew an inconceivable 4,650 feet off the volcano; sent 36 cubic miles of ash, rock, sulfur and other gases into the atmosphere; triggered tsunamis that killed over 10,000 people; and caused serious climate changes and crop failures that killed 80,000 more over the following year.
We may be about to witness another volcanic explosion. Under the Paris insanity, developed nations are expected to de-carbonize, de-industrialize and curb their growth – while sending $100 billion per year to ruling elites in developing countries that are not required to trim fossil fuel use or GHG emissions.
It cannot and will not happen. In fact, industrialized nations are already reneging on their pledges, refusing to contribute to the Green Climate Fund, or recasting current foreign aid as Paris climate money. China, India, Brazil and poor countries are outraged. They want new money, more money – or else they will walk away from their commitments, and the Paris house of cards will collapse. It should collapse.
Billions of people are still energy-deprived, impoverished, diseased and starving. Millions are dying needlessly every year. Faulty, authoritarian climate and “sustainability” claims are being use to perpetuate these travesties. It’s time to help poor countries get the same energy, technologies and opportunities we have – so that they can take their rightful places among Earth’s healthy and prosperous people.
Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of Eco-Imperialism: Green power – Black death.
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CAGW is a movement that got a great deal of government support fairly early on. A different bit of “science” was expressed in Nixon’s War on Cancer, which was the conjecture that various trace chemicals were causing the claimed cancer epidemic, the sort of theme from “Silent Spring”. That episode was mostly an obsession in the US, not Europe or Japan, and did burn out mostly after the US government stopped pushing the theme under Reagan.
Global warming is much bigger, and more widespread, and much more expensive, but another example of “political science”. Given the performance of the global warming model, it might well have the same fate as the “War on Cancer”, an example of institutional amnesia.
Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Climate Mass Hysteria Guides Policy Right Now!!
I agree Mickeldoo as that is the case here in Ontario.
Our whole political and educated class, when it comes to “climate change” (man-made global warming), appear to be indoctrinated with the alarmist point of view. The Ontario Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change (yup, that’s what it’s called) together with our leader Kathleen Wynne and the Ontario Ministry of Finance have implemented a carbon tax and cap/trade system. This on top of double digit $billions of debt wasted on wind and solar parks.
So it’s official, the government of Ontario continues to lead the way in showing the world how to battle the dreaded man-made CO2 “pollution” buildup that, if we don’t stop it, is supposedly going to drown the coasts and turn the world into stormy deserts surrounded by oceans of acid.
Eventually (hopefully?) wisdom will dictate and the people behind this glassy-eyed cult will find their place in history alongside all the other doomsday soothsayers that have come and gone.
Michael Doo, Katschthaler Michel, ‘erzähl das dem Salzamt’
And has forced many into energy poverty.
Cap-and-Trade that was first established at the provincial/sub-national level quickly spread to the national level.
Ontarians may have to pay for this folly for years to come.
The U.S is the next big prize needed to make North America a cap-and-trade hub. The push for this has already begun by using sub-national action to make this happen. Some push for this has appeared at the Federal level as well.
I said this years ago. The public debate would never be decided by science, but by economics. Once governments actually came face to face with the enormous damage that would be inflicted by matching actions to their rhetoric, they would retreat from their positions. So now it is starting to happen. They twist and turn to maintain the facade because it is a remarkably easy way to justify new taxes. But when faced with the ugly reality of doing something substantial, then it becomes a shell game. Yes, we’re donating money to climate that is actually other foreign aid with the logo changed, yes there’s a still a shortfall but we’ll be sending more later, or eventually, and our own internal programs will only go so far because sending our own economy down the sewer is a great way to get thrown out of power or foment revolution.
We were never destined to win the science war. It was always harsh economic reality that was going to win it for us.
Sadly the economic truth provides the most painful reality attitude adjustment.
David-here’s the problem with your assessment. While I agree that governmen’are always eager to do whatever will get them votes, when the bill for their vote buying is presented they do not flinch. They carry on courageously with borrowed money,aided by inflation created by the central banks no matter how catastrophic the final tally. They are secure in the knowledge that hyper inflation is always in the tool chest as a last resort to clear the path for a new cycle. If, in the meantime the idiot electorate punishes the spendthrifts, we can all be assured that the same idiot electorate will forget all about it in about 6 years put the spendthrifts back in office. This is such an iron clad rule of politics that is is practised by both Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. and indeed by every party in every democratic country on this planet. If there is intelligent life elsewhere, I have no doubt they are in debt and if they attempt to contact us it will no doubt be to pledge shaky assets for a long term loan at low interest.
Of course there is nothing wrong with policy at all.
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It has delivered the result the global corporates want to an electorate who is all to willing to believe in its own guilt, and so has voted the guilt merchants of the century – the Liberal Left- into power.
This is all as it was supposed to be. And why else is government funding science if not to get the scientific community to endorse its politics?
In the post truth world, who cares about truth, and why would they?
That is the burning question.
[snip . . . what is your problem? Do you find your position so weak that only insults, profanity and personal attacks can make it work for you? Here’s an idea, why not make your point succinctly and politely in English. There are many here who I am sure would be delighted to receive your insights and enter into some debate with you but your presentation and attitude make that impossible.
Perhaps you should wait a while, till you have grown up though . . . mod]
I agree. Insults like Mann in the Congressional Hearing are indeed inappropriate, as are physical treats from immature trolls. (https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/16/where-i-get-hate-mail-from-an-unhinged-eco-warrior/)
“China, India, Brazil and poor countries are outraged. They want new money, more money”
China is a rich country
The Telegraph: Wealth per adult has risen from $5,670 in 2000 to $22,864 in 2016 in China. China has the third largest household wealth worldwide, after the US and Japan.
So… why does the WUWT crowd feel it needs to lie to itself in order to keep believing its own point of view?
“refused to share their computer algorithms and raw data with reviewers outside their circle of fellow researchers”
But everyone can go to the following website and download the CIMP5 models. That is a falsification right there. I read in a previous post that blogposts are better than science because errors will be quickly corrected. I have full faith that the author will now amend this blog post to state that scientists happily share their models, the skeptics just don’t want to look at them 😉
http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/
Cheers,
Ben
But everyone can go to the following website and download the CIMP5 models.
Can you get Mann’s code and data? No? What about Jones? No? Shall I go on? Those scandals have driven more openness in the climate research community, which is a step in the right direction. But that doesn’t make your example ubiquitous, nor does it change the manner in which science results are routinely twisted into some mad misrepresentation of reality with nary an objection from the scientists who know full well that their science is being spun into fool’s gold.
And how about the GISS numbers before Hansen and Gavin “adjusted” them? The validation for the changes?
And which version of that data was actually fed into the models?
(I suspect it was the data set that most recently came out of their data-grinder.)
Er point me at a computer model can you?
Just a general hand wave at a university website doesn’t cut the ice so to speak…
Look, I’m treating you guys like adults. You can click on the ‘models’ tab without me holding your hand. Browse around a bit. You might learn something.
I did click on the models tabs. It didn’t take me to any models, just to the model outputs.
Nowhere did I find a formula, computer code, or even a descriptive process as to how these output sets were arrived at.
I ask again, please provide one link to an actual model, either a formula or an alogorithm to calculate global warming.
http://www.cesm.ucar.edu/models/register/register.html
There you go Leo. They’re just trying to make sure that anyone playing with the code has the minimum python skills to run the thing, otherwise they spend all their time on support requests. Please don’t do the obvious: fill out a belligerent request, get refused access, and then report here and complain it’s all a giant conspiracy.
Python????
You have got to be kidding?
Python????
I am so happy to hear that scientists quickly correct errors in their models.
https://judithcurry.com/2013/06/28/open-thread-weekend-23/#comment-338257
David, you could go on. But that would just show you don’t know how the system actually works. The majority of models are collected in the community earth systems model project.
Have fun downloading them and poking around in the code!
Cheers, ben
So just where can a layman like me go to download Mann’s code and data? Jones’?
Please provide the links so we can all have fun.
OH! And while you’re at it, how about answering my follow up comment to David:
I’ll “cheer” after you provide the links and answer my questions.
PS “Transparency” doesn’t mean no one can see what you did.
Gunga, a layman like you probably should start with reading the textbooks to understand what exactly is being modeled. Here is the one I use, which is also one of the more widely used: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DON7H78?tag=kpembed-20&linkCode=kpd#reader_B01DON7H78
Then you’d have to follow a couple of python classes and you’re set to go. Have fun!
Also, regarding your comments about individual scientists. That is nice to complain about on WUWT, but in the real world models are made by big international teams. There is no such thing as the ‘Mann model’ or the ‘Jones model’.
Any adjustments made to data are accompanied by papers explaining the exact methodology and reasoning. Feel free to read those if you are interested.
I would if they published them.
So far I haven’t found any code.
And you have failed to provide a link to any.
Now wait a minute. Aren’t these “individual” scientist part of the “consensus”?
Isn’t what they claimed part of “the root” (along with Hansen) of the whole “CAGW” claim?
True. I’m just a layman but I’m still waiting for the links.
Name someone who is not “a layman” who has access to the codes and the data?
If you can’t, then I’m sure one of the other individuals who make up the “97%” must have them.
Maybe one of them can provide them?
Or maybe they don’t have the info either? They just jumped on the bandwagon?
Or maybe the “97%” represents a very, very small number? Like maybe a number equal to those who won’t let others see what they’ve done?
PROVE me wrong and provide the links. Many who are scientist and not “laymen” would love to see them.
Better yet, wake up.
Hello Forrest. Please note that the WUWT post literally said that scientist don’t share their models, and I showed that scientists do share their models. So that is all there is to my comment.
Why don’t you download the models and tell us exactly what you don’t like? Not based on random internet misinformation but on the actual code itself which, as I have shown, is freely available.
Cheers
If ‘sharing your models’ means allowing people to input their data into it and get the output without ever revealing the mechanism by which it is manipulated, then god help science.
Eny Fule can buy Microsoft Windows and use it. That is NOT the same as allowing free access to its source code.
What is amusing is that your attempts to refute the articles propositions have actually confirmed them: What appears superficially to be ‘sharing the model’ turns out to be anything but that.
@Benben,
The models have utterly failed to demonstrate any predictive skill:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-90-models-global-Tsfc-vs-obs-thru-2013.png
Because they result in a climate sensitivity that is 2-3 times what is supported by observations:
From Hansen et al. 1988 through every IPCC assessment report, the observed temperatures have consistently tracked the strong mitigation scenarios in which the rise in atmospheric CO2 has been slowed and/or halted.
Apart from the strong El Niño events of 1998 and 2015-16, GISTEMP has tracked Scenario C, in which CO2 levels stopped rising in 2000, holding at 368 ppm.
This is from IPCC’s First Assessment Report:
HadCRUT4 has tracked below Scenario D.
This is from the IPCC’s Third Assessment Report:
HadCRUT4 has tracked the strong mitigation scenarios, despite a general lack of mitigation.
The climate models have never demonstrated any predictive skill.
And the models aren’t getting better. Even when they start the model run in 2008, the observed temperatures consistently track at or below the lower 5-95% confidence band (p05-p95).
SOURCE
P50 would be the model mean. Half the model runs would predict more warming and half less. This would be a mean from the worst case scenario RCP 8.5, often referred to as “business as usual” to varying grades of mitigation scenarios (RCP 2.6, 4.5 and 6.0). The observations continuously track below RCP 4.5.
If the model ensemble had predictive skill, the observations should track around P5o. During the predictive run of the model, HadCRUT4.5 has not *tracked* anywhere near P50…
Prediction Run Approximate Distribution
2006 P60 (60% of the models predicted a warmer temperature)
2007 P75
2008 P95
2009 P80
2010 P70
2011-2013 >P95
2014 P90
2015-2016 P55
Note that during the 1998-99 El Niño, the observations spiked above P05 (less than 5% of the models predicted this). During the 2015-16 El Niño, HadCRUT only spiked to P55. El Niño events are not P50 conditions. Strong El Niño and La Niña events should spike toward the P05 and P95 boundaries.
The temperature observations are clearly tracking much closer to strong mitigation scenarios rather than RCP 8.5, the bogus “business as usual” scenario.
If I drilled 11 wells and 9 of them only resulted in P70-P95 reserve additions and only 2 came close to the P50 numbers, it would be a miserable failure.
The red hachured trapezoid indicates that HadCRUT4.5 will continue to track between less than P100 and P50. This is indicative of a miserable failure of the models and a pretty good clue that the models need be adjusted downward.
In any other field of science CAGW would be a long-discarded falsified hypothesis.
David, please note that my comment was ONLY with respect to that any competent modeler can have insight into the code of climate models, while WUWT falsely states that you can’t. I’m not saying anything about whether the results are true. Why do you bombard us with graphs not relevant to my comment? Anyway. You should have spent enough time on the topic to know exactly the weakness of those graphs when using them to convince someone like me (rather than preaching to the choir, what most of WUWT seems to be about).
The results of the models are “true.” It’s just math. The problem is that the models have never demonstrated predictive skill.
Bombarding people with graphs is one of my hobbies.
Benben, I am a computer scientist, software engineer and mathematician and I have been studying the mathematics required for climate modeling for the past several years. I do not want to contaminate my thinking by having a look at the current climate models, for at least another couple of years, until I have done my own research.
I would recommend this book as a supplement to the books specifically targeted at the general mathematics :
https://www.amazon.ca/Mesoscale-Meteorological-Modeling-Roger-Pielke/dp/0123852374
The following is one of the books I have been studying for the math :
https://www.amazon.com/Finite-Element-Method-Basis/dp/0470395044
Hi Gary,
That is an interesting approach you have there 🙂 please report back in a couple of years I guess?
David: ok! we all have our hobbies 😉
Cheers,
Ben
Congratulations benben, you have inspired me to study the current climate model codes. I will add one hour a day of study specifically on what exists today. I see there are some nice Fortran coded models. lucky for me that was the first language I studied at university (Simon Fraser University – Burnaby Mountain campus ) in the early 1980’s.
I will be writing my versions of climate models in C++ or C#.
I certainly will be reporting back within a couple of years.
Forrest, you have discovered that ‘garbage in = garbage out’. You are hereby declared the most brilliant data scientist out there. We are all so proud. Enjoy your newfound glory. There is no such thing as THE CLIMATE MODEL. There are hundreds, and the most advanced ones are mostly shared via the platform I linked to. Just go read the explanation of what CIMP and CESM actually is, rather than trusting WUWT to tell you what to think.
Leo, the code is all on GIT, read the above reply.
Downloading the model is not the same thing as downloading the code behind the model.
Nice recap.
It would be nice to hear all this and more from a White House spokesperson. It’s going to be long hard slog under any conditions and the Green money sellout certainly possible.
Tesla, a crony climate subside kingpin, crossed 50 billion in market cap last week. Zero fear of real climate excess reform in the market.
They spit in skeptic faces and there is zero skeptic political cohesion in line with this article. Sad.
With our new administration, maybe some changes will happen. Say, hows about a new department in, say, NOAA, tasked with objectively testing the CAGW hypotheses? That is an underpinning of good science, theories need to be tested, and attempting to falsify them will either undo them, or bolster them. Science!
No. Any department the would objectively test ANY govt sponsored hypothesis needs to be independent of the agency it is testing. Even then the potential for political pressure.
Right: every government agency etc. should have a “red team” agency set up to criticize it and hear complaints from insiders and whistleblowers.
For all intents and purposes, CAGW is already a dead hypothesis.
CAGW model projections already exceed reality by 2 standard deviations, and when both the PDO and AMO are in their respective 30-year cool cycles from 2019, a falling global temperature trend will likely occur, as happened twice before when this phenomenon occurred between 1880~1910 and 1945~1975.
Moreover, solar cycles are collapsing, which will likely cause global cooling for the next 80~100 years as occurred in past Grand Solar Minimum events: (Wolf (1280~1350), Sporer (1450~1550), Maunder (1645~1715), and Dalton (1790~1820).
To reach CAGW’s “consensus” ECS estimate of 3C by 2100, would require a global warming trend of 0.27C/decade starting from tomorrow, and continuing on for the next 83 straight years, which is very highly unlikely. Every year below 0.27C/decade simply necessitates ever higher future trends to confirm the CAGW hypothesis, which, again, is very highly unlikely.
CAGW is dead, and will be laughed at in 5~7 years; right about the time Trump is winding down his presidency.
That is why it’s been changed to Climate Change.
…Now they call it “Climate Disruption” ! D’oh !
Good comment Samurai…I completely agree that the CAGW hypothesis is already dead in the water. But we are preaching to the converted here, so will probably take at least 5 years if not 10 for the data to trickle in year after year that temperatures are not in lockstep with rising CO2.
At some point in the near future, hopefully sooner, the MSN and politicians will have to quit whipping this horse because as you say, when the warming fails to materialize and then has to warm even more to make up to 1.5 C or 3.0 C by certain best before dates, then the jig is up with the voting people who will know a lie when they see one. I think the news cycle will love a new story line and will pounce on the data manipulators with a vengeance. I don’t think people like Hansen or Mann will be remembered fondly in history for fabricating this lie.
One thing you forgot to mention besides the PDO, AMO and solar cycle all working against rising temps in the short term future is the Chaos factor. Probably some vulcanism event that happens that will also force some cooling and while random, Chaos events happen all the time although hard to predict.
For any future politicians reading this blog, take note that the voters will deal harshly with this scam, especially those that are being forced into paying any type of carbon taxes, or are one of the few nations being forced to pay into a UN Climate fund to redistribute to 200 poorer nations for climate mitigation measures. Best to unhitch the wagon from this horse, and engage in a proper scientific review of what we have learnt in the last 150 years.
Ron-San:
Yes, good point. We’re certainly “due” (my old statistics professor would throw an eraser at my head for saying that) for a large volcanic event, since the last one “big one” was Pinatubo in 1991, and there has been increasing seismic activity around the world in recent years.
When this CAGW hypothesis is officially disconfirmed, the political blowback against the Left will be astounding, considering the $trillions wasted and millions of jobs lost for no reason whatsoever.
Ron, we had 20 years of the data not following the models, and the acolytes just screamed louder.
Your prophecies are being left on the wrong side of the tipping point Samurai.
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Tony McLeod, I am not sure some of the melting ice in the northern hemisphere qualifies that overall warming of the entire planet will doom some of Samurai’s “prophecies” about CAGW being a failed hypothesis. We barely understand the the state of the polar regions prior to the 20th century, and prior to 1979, we didn’t even have any proper measurement of sea ice extant in the Arctic Ocean.
With the majority of land mass concentrated in the NH, and the Arctic being at sea level, it is not surprising that the thermal heat (and pollution/dust) we humans generate that are not generally accounted for circulate into the northern regions. Not saying there is no warming from CO2, but it is not linear with additional input of CO2 to the atmosphere, as you probably already understand. So a changing Albedo is probably responsible for some of that warming in the Arctic, due to rapid changing land use in the NH this last century. And then we don’t have much understanding about the magnetic pole racing across the Arctic towards Siberia, having accelerated substantially this last century as well. It is too bad we don’t put as much emphasis on the dozens of others causes of climate change as we try to blame CO2 for all the ills of global warming, but I am sure you understand some of these issues as well.
“sea ice extant in the Arctic Ocean”
Shouldn’t that be ‘sea ice, extant in the Arctic ocean (as opposed to the Indian ocean one assumes)?
Commas are important.
Tony-San:
There are numerous nautical records showing the current Artic ice melt is similar to that in the 1930’s during the previous 30-yr PDO/AMO warm cycles. There is absolutely nothing “unprecedented” about what we’re currenting observing.
You also have to realize that with the increased area of Arctic ice-free zones, more stored ocean heat is being released out to space which used to trapped under sheets of ice.. When the AMO 30-year cool cycle begins in 2019, I expect Arctic Ice Extents and Greenland land ice to enter another 30-year cycle of expansion and thickness as seen from 1945~1975.
As you know, NASA ICE-SAT data shows Antarctic total land-ice mass has been increasing at around 100 billion tons to per year since 1992.. oops…
We’ll see who is right in about 5~7 years..
SAMURAI
“There are numerous nautical records showing the current Artic ice melt is similar to that in the 1930’s”
Numerous? Care to post 1.
“increased area of Arctic ice-free zones, more stored ocean heat is being released out to space”
So becaue it is warmer – that is making it cooler. Put down the kool-aid.
The less ice the lower the albedo the warmer it gets.
“in 2019, I expect Arctic Ice Extents and Greenland land ice to enter another 30-year cycle of expansion and thickness”
Lol. Sorry Samurai-san but there is no chance.
“increasing at around 100 billion tons to per year since 1992.. oops…”
https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/98/
Tiny-san:
On October 31, 2015, NASA announced that ICE-SAT data show NET Antarctic land ice has been increasing at 100 BILLION tons per year since……1992:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
One has to ask why NASA decided to sit on this rather important data for 23 years….
Why indeed…
This silly CAGW hypothesis is imploding….
Ice levels have fallen since the coldest time in the last 200 years.
And you think you have proven something?
Tony-san:
You asked for ONE source showing the Arctic’s current low ice extent has occurred before…
Here you go:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/
There is absolutely nothing unpredented about the low Arctic ice extents we’re currently experiencing…
This same phenomenon occurred the last time the PDO and AMO were in their 30-yr warm cycles in the 1920’s and 30’s….
whoops..
When the PDO & AMO switched to their respective 30-yr cool cycles between 1945~1975, Arctic sea ice extents started to increase to such an extent, that many scientists in the 1970’s were predicting “A New Ice Age” was coming ….. caused by….. particulate pollution from fossil fuel emissions…
LOL! Always manmade, regardless of warming or cooling… Oh, my… I do love it so…
All science has been harmed by the climate charlatans. A pity that few scientist have been attuned to this; hopefully more are waking up to this now.
Scientists never registered and voted on the AGW conjecture. So there is no consensus. Such a consensus would not mean anything anyway because science is not a democracy. The laws of science are not some sort of legislation. The theories of science are not validated through a voting process.
Climate change is real and has been going on for eons, long before Mankind started to burn fossil fuels. Based on modeling studies one can conclude that the climate change wer are experiencing tocay is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. The AGW conjecture sounds plausable at first but upon closer examination it is severely flawed. In part to generate evidence to support the AGW conjecture the IPCC supported the development of a plethora of climate models. The large number of different models is evidence that a lot of guess work has been involved. If there were no guess work then only one model would have been supported. The plethora of models have generated a wide range of predictions for today’s global temperatures but they all have one thing in common. They have all been wrong. They have all prediicted global warming that never happened. If they are evidence of anything it is that the AGW conjecture is flawed. The climate simulations actually beg the question because it is hard coded in that more CO2 in the atmosphere causes warming so that is what the simulation results show. Because they beg the question such sumulations are totally useless. If the IPCC actually learned something from the simulations they would have by now reduced the number of different models under consideration but that has not happened. Others have generated models that show that climate is correlated to solar and ocean effects and not to CO2.
There is no real evidence in the paleoclimate record that CO2 has any effect on climate. Warmer temperatures cause more CO2 to enter the atmosphere because warmer water holds less CO2 then cooler water but there is no real evidence that the additinal CO2 adds to warming. It is all just speculation.
The AGW conjecture depends upon the existance of a radiant greenhouse effect provided by gases with LWIR absorption bands. A real greenhouse does not stay warm because of the heat trapping action of so called greenhouse gases. A real greenhouse stays warm because the glass limits cooling by convection. It is a convective greenhouse effect..So to on Earth. As derived from first principals, the atmophere keeps the Earth’s surface on average 33 degrees C warmer than it would other wise be because gravity limits cooling by convection. It is a convective greenhouse effect and it accounts for all 33 degrees C that has been observed. Additional warming caused by an additional radiant greenhouse effect has not been observed on Earth or on any planet in the solar system with a thick atmosphere. The radiant greenhouse effect is fiction as is the AGW conjecture.
Kyoji Kimoto, reporting in an artiicle entitled “Basic Global Working Hypothesis is Wrong” has found that the original calculation of the Planck climate sensivity of CO2 is too great by more than a factor of 20 because original calculations forgot to take into consideration that a doubling of CO2 wiill cause a small but very signiificant decrease in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere which is a cooling effect. So instead of a Planck Climate sensivity of 1.2 degrees C, CO2 provides a Plankc climate sensivity of less than .06 degrees C which is rather trivial.
If CO2 really affected climate than the increase in CO2 over the last 30 years should have caused at least a measureable increase in the dry lapse rate in the troposphere but such has not happened.
In their first report the IPCC published a wide range of possible values as to the climate sensivity of CO2. In their last report the IPCC published the exact same values. So after more than two decades of effort the IPCC has found nothing the would narrow their range of guesses one iota. The IPCC deliberately ignore’s all logic indicating that the climate sensivity of CO2 is really less than their published range for fear of losing their funding. Supporting the AGW conjecture has been a matter of politics and not science. Belief in the AGW conjecture is really anti science.
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Again Mann lies before Congress: that is not what the 97% question was. All four of the witnesses support 97% position. It was not 3 against 1.
Any major media outlet which disabused the public of the 97% lie would be doing a great service to truth, justice and the American Way. Not to mention science and the health, happiness and prosperity of the world.
To recap, that ludicrous number doesn’t come from “all scientists” (who number in millions), but from the 95% of 79 “actively publishing” so-called “climate scientists” who answered “yes” to both survey questions. Most skeptics would have replied “yes” to “has the world warmed since the end of the Little Ice Age?” Many might even respond in the affirmative to “have human activities significantly affected this warming?” (I paraphrase both queries.) No definition of “significant” was provided.
What the poll failed to ask was whether more CO2 and warming from whatever cause were good or bad.
From the article:
“Billions of people are still energy-deprived, impoverished, diseased and starving.”
It is fair to add ‘freezing’ to this list. A great deal of the energy used by the poor is directed to staying warm. Solid fuels such as coal are essential for keeping them warm, absent cheap fabulous solar-heated homes with retained heat walls.
As a sort of paean to those wishing to ‘reduce CO2 emissions’ a set of studies has recently shown that we can help the poor in Central Asia to reduce their coal consumption by 40% while increasing the energy delivered to their homes also by 40%.
This is ‘efficiency’ at its finest: a reduction in whatever it is someone wants reduced, while simultaneously increasing the service factor of the energy source utilised.
As long as there is no objection to the poor reducing their CO2 emissions by 40%, we should get behind such initiatives ‘across the aisle’.
The fact is a great deal of the energy we use is wasted for no practical benefit, not even entertainment like drag racing. I suggest everyone get behind the projects that transform lives, save energy, reduce all emissions, harmful or not, and leave more disposable income in the hands of those less well-off.
There is a meeting organised by the ICCI in Warsaw 29-30 May to discuss this topic. Register now.
Once again, we need a comprehensive, unbiased survey to refute this nonsense. Said survey to include a brief pre-amble stating the condensed case for and against. Limit it to 100 words for each and send out the surveys alternating which preamble goes first. Hopefully it would be possible to find people of eminence and integrity on the Warmist side to contribute. Release the results completely and with the subtle differences illustrated, not like the twisted statements that the Warmists dragged out of the previous one. Is this a crowd-fundable type thing? I would certainly contribute!
I am poor at finding my place so rather than post test only a wordy post may sneek by
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The forthcoming papers from Monckton (on the two errors in IGPOCC’s calculations) & Watts (i.e., “Watts 2012”) ought to make the house of cards tremor.
Bit like tipping points; you only recognize them in the rear-view mirror.
Life works that way.
Maybe tony is talking about these tipping points, real ones that is;
Most of the tipping points that have been called by you warmistas have been in the rear-view mirror for decades, and still nothing is happening.
It occurs to me that a real possible outcome of the failed Homocentric Universe Theory, a.k.a. Anthropogenic Climate Change, which I would say is just a failed attempt to resurrect the failed Geocentric Theory (Catholic Doctrine, “Man, the Steward of Earth, is at the center of God’s bosom and all creation”) i.e. Man IS the mover of all the elements, Earth Wind Fire Water, will be thrown to the ground yet again in a few number of days.
But the greatest achievement, this time, just could be that the U.S. Federal Government will begin a lengthy process of divestment of “science experts” (lower case intended) for policy creation. That is, if a Congress member wants to be informed of Science or Technology, the member is free to gain information, insight and wisdom, on the member’s own dime and time and not by the money and time of the Federal Government.
Galileo
You mean like ARGO and the other fact checkers of the world?
http://www.climate4you.com/images/NOAA%20SST-NorthAtlantic%20GlobalMonthlyTempSince1979%20With37monthRunningAverage.gif
Galileo was convicted of claiming that the sun centered model had been proven, and at that time, it hadn’t been.
Dave Middleton writes: the merits of the CAGW (catastrophic anthropogenic global warming) hypothesis
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There is no such thing. Using the word “catastrophic” renders the argument a strawman.
CAGW is three assertions==>that the changes are net destructive, that the changes are anthropogenic, and the climate is warming. The claim that warming is generally bad is widespread. Do you really want clips of various claims to that point?
Much of the literature from the IPCC consists of conflating the second two points. While it is warming since the end of the Little Ice Age, is the warming (and cooling) since 1950 that different in degree or cause from 1850-1950, in either degree or cause?
Tom, science never offers a value judgement on what it studies. It never says “X” is destructive or “X” is constructive. Values are the domain of philosophy not science. Please, provide us with peer reviewed science articles that demonstrate “destructiveness.”
I doubt your basic sincerity. The game is to ask for references, then dismiss the source. But James Hansen or Holdren do not exist, or I was mischaracterizing their predictions?
Tom, going back to the “C” in CAGW, the word “catastrophic” is not found in the literature (and by literature, you I’m not talking “opinion,” i’m talking reported research)
Simple Congress shall recognize no study that has not released its raw data and necessary script files to recreate any results in the paper.