Michael Mann's Climate Rebellion: Scientists are … a Reticent Lot

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Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Michael Mann, inventor of the infamous climate “Hockey Stick”, has written an article to promote his book, and to promote the idea that scientists are rebelling against the new Trump administration.

Climate change denial is not dead

BY MICHAEL E. MANN, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR – 01/31/17 12:10 PM EST

The era of climate change denial is over. Rejection of the unequivocal scientific evidence that carbon emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are warming the planet and changing our climate is no longer socially acceptable. Only the most fringe of politicians now disputes the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and human-caused, and they are largely ignored.

So why dignify the notion of climate change denial by writing about it?

Such was the criticism I received from many well-meaning fellow climate scientists last fall after I published my latest book, “The Madhouse Effect: How Climate Change Denial Is Threatening Our Planet, Destroying Our Politics, and Driving Us Crazy,” co-authored with Washington Post editorial cartoonist Tom Toles.

It is difficult to keep up with this dizzying ongoing assault on science.

Indeed, that assault was enough to motivate my fellow climate scientists and me to participate in a rally at the annual meeting of the largest Earth Science organization in the country, the American Geophysical Union, last December. And now there is a much larger plan afoot for a scientists’ march on Washington next month.

We scientists are, in general, a reticent lot who would much rather spend our time in the lab, out in the field, teaching and doing research. It is only the most unusual of circumstances that gets us marching in the streets. Trump’s assault on science is just such a circumstance. And we are seeing a rebellion continue to mount.

Read more: http://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/energy-environment/317102-climate-denial-is-dead-long-live-climate-denial

The obvious next step in this rebellion is mass resignation, to show the Trump administration that climate scientists cannot continue taking tainted money from a government whom they accuse of subverting science.

I look forward to reporting about all the heroic, principled climate scientists who rejected their secure academic tenure and fat government grants. No doubt Dr. Michael Mann will lead by example.

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Jimmy Finley
February 1, 2017 2:36 pm

“…The obvious next step in this rebellion is mass resignation, to show the Trump administration that climate scientists cannot continue taking tainted money from a government whom they accuse of subverting science….” Beware the stampede! Ri i i ght.

Gloateus Maximus
Reply to  Jimmy Finley
February 1, 2017 3:14 pm

Resign before you’re fired for cause, so as to retain a pension.
And where will Mann’s vaunted funding come from now? You know, those grants that were the reason Penn State didn’t fire his posterior for malpractice.

Stephen Greene
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 2, 2017 10:48 am

Centre County is beginning to wake up the fact that something is fishy in Mann-Ville.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Gloateus Maximus
February 3, 2017 5:28 am

well someone is paying for the noxious gent
( used as in the Aussie version “gent “meaning MAGGOT you fish with)
to come here and dribble sh#t on aus media
ABC radio the govt warmist shill site is promoting the mongrels visit
if ever a plane could fall from the sky…i dibs his!

TG
Reply to  Jimmy Finley
February 1, 2017 4:19 pm

The obvious next step in this rebellion is mass resignation, to show the Trump administration that climate scientists cannot continue taking tainted money from a government whom they accuse of subverting science.
MIKE & COMPANY – PLEASE DO THE HONORABLE THING, After all is was never about money,

Non Nomen
Reply to  TG
February 2, 2017 3:31 am

…MIKE & COMPANY – PLEASE DO THE HONORABLE THING…

You mean self-disembodiment?

Reply to  TG
February 2, 2017 7:12 am

Actually Non, harakiri or seppuku would be referred to as self disembowelment.

John Harmsworth
Reply to  Jimmy Finley
February 1, 2017 8:34 pm

We should cut some climate scientists in half and count the growth rings to see how fat they got during the Whoreobscene Optimum.

Bryan A
Reply to  John Harmsworth
February 1, 2017 9:59 pm

Probably wouldn’t need Mike’s Nature Trick to hide a nonexistent decline. A decline in ring girth won’t be observable for at least 4 years

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Jimmy Finley
February 2, 2017 12:08 pm

“The obvious next step in this rebellion is mass resignation”
And Trump is the dumb one?
Again, Monty Python had it decades ago:
Suicide Squad Leader: We are the Judean People’s Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!
[they all stab themselves]
Suicide Squad Leader: That showed ’em, huh?

February 1, 2017 2:39 pm

“The era of climate change denial is over.”
Lol because Mann says that just as Trump takes over. THE PEOPLE voted for climate skepticism (less illegal-laden CA). A relevant tweet by Tom Nelson:

Tom Nelson ‏@tan123 31 Dec 2016
Richard Lindzen: ‘Ordinary people see through man-made climate fears — but educated people are very vulnerable’ https://twitter.com/tan123/status/815181170552033280

It’s not over for the people. It’s over for the effete buffoons of the left like Mann that continue to spout their endless lies.
Here’s a video for Mann, HIDE THE DECLINE:

Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 2, 2017 11:40 am

Don’t we mean …Mann made climate fears ?

Bruce Cobb
February 1, 2017 2:40 pm

“It is difficult to keep up with this dizzying ongoing assault on science.”
Yes Mikey, so why don’t you stop doing it?

wws
February 1, 2017 2:41 pm

There’s a very obvious reason the left is starting to panic about what Trump will do with the EPA. From https://www.bna.com/trump-freezes-epa-n57982083120/
“The EPA spent about $5.3 billion in fiscal year 2016 on grants and contracts,”
That is a HECK of a lot of money, not spent on programs but simply sent out to 3rd parties. I submit to you that almost the ENTIRE climate movement inside the US has been funded, either overtly or covertly, by political operatives inside the EPA. Yes, there are university departments across the country that do much of the work, but if we were able to get inside the budgetary smoke screen, I think we would find that much of that funding has been funded by grants which ultimately trace back to the EPA.
It will take a while for this have an openly visible effect, but I think the entire climate movement inside the US is about to have its funding cut off completely.
And oh will the howling reach a fever pitch then!!!

Reply to  wws
February 2, 2017 7:17 am

How will the howling reach a fever pitch? Many proclaim a love a Gaia and a disdain for money and other earthly pleasures. But the people actually behind it suffer from no such altruism. Once the money begins to evaporate – and it will quickly – no one will be interested in “running their ads” for free.

John in LduB
Reply to  wws
February 2, 2017 11:47 am

A heck of a lot of that money sent out to 3rd parties was sent to for-profit companies held within the endowments of environmental NGOs who are charities. The money is used to demonstrate and lobby government for more climate studies and to support politicians who support their objectives. It is simply racketeering. There is no other way to describe it. Just follow the money.
They have not only damaged science, they’ve damaged the environmental movement and NGOs generally. NGOs are now looked on with suspicion by the public and rightly so. That’s why you hear so much controversy in the general news about the percentage of donations flowing into projects vs. administration and overheads. As soon as I hear the word “activist” now I mentally replace it with “self-serving liar”.

RayG
Reply to  wws
February 2, 2017 2:17 pm

The EPA practice of funding NGOs so that they could sue the EPA leading to the EPA entering into consent decrees must also end.

Catcracking
Reply to  wws
February 2, 2017 3:00 pm

“The EPA spent about $5.3 billion in fiscal year 2016 on grants and contracts,”
Let’s see that’s almost 1/2 of the southern border wall in just 1 year of apparent “waste” I suppose they are virtually all environmental wacko’s living off our tax dollars.

February 1, 2017 2:43 pm

Michael Mann isn’t employed by the government, so he won’t be resigning. He did receive a $541k grant as part of the Federal Stimulus Program spending — which may give us all some idea about how the stimulus plan failed to create jobs.
But calling himself “reticent” seems to strain all credibility.
reticent — not revealing one’s thoughts or feelings readily. syn. reserved, withdrawn, introverted, inhibited, diffident, shy
Does anybody have that impression of Michael Mann? Is he shy?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  lorcanbonda
February 1, 2017 2:47 pm

Not when it comes to his “Nobel Prize”.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  lorcanbonda
February 1, 2017 2:49 pm

My impression of Michael Mann is not fit to be repeated in genteel company.

Mark T
Reply to  lorcanbonda
February 1, 2017 9:53 pm

Michael Mann works for Penn State, a public university. He is absolutely a government employee.

Keith J
Reply to  Mark T
February 2, 2017 5:03 am

State government employee plus he received federal grants which come with legal restrictions and requirements making him a contractor. Basically a 1099 employee.

Reply to  Mark T
February 2, 2017 8:16 am

Penn State is not a public university. In Pennsylvania, the public universities are all called “{City} University of Pennsylvania”. For instance, “Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania (SUP)” and “Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP).”
Penn State is a land grant university which means that it has a charter from the state and receives limited funding from the state, but it operates as a private university. In Pennsylvania, Penn State is closer to Temple and Lincoln than the state universities in that it receives some funding from the state, but it is not run by the state.

lonetown
Reply to  lorcanbonda
February 2, 2017 5:58 am

Reticent about sharing data, i.e. “A Disgrace To The Profession”.

Stephen Greene
Reply to  lorcanbonda
February 2, 2017 10:57 am

ACTIVISTS MARCH, NOOOT “reticent” SCIENTISTS. Data clearly shows Activism Prevents Objectivity.

Greg Woods
February 1, 2017 2:45 pm

I keep insisting that no one, no one, believes that climate doesn’t change. Where are all of those climate change deniers?

Sheri
Reply to  Greg Woods
February 1, 2017 5:48 pm

Aren’t they the ones that made the “stick” on the hockey stick? Eons of time with NO changes.

AndyG55
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 2:07 am

Dëñíers of the Holocene Optimum, neoglaciation, MWP, RWP, and 1940”s peak.
We know who the real climate change dëñíers are.

Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 3:10 am

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/29/ipcc-objectives-and-methods-mandated-elimination-reduction-manipulation-of-inadequate-real-data-and-creation-of-false-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2412106
[excerpt]
The global cooling that happened from ~1940 to ~1975 during the time that fossil fuel combustion strongly accelerated essentially disproves the CAGW hypothesis.
Imagine IF we had a similar situation starting about now:
Hypothetically, let’s say from 2020 to 2055 there was continued fossil fuel combustion and a significant increase in atmospheric CO2, and yet average global temperature cooled by ~0.5C.
What would this say about ECS and the CAGW hypo? I suggest it would say that ECS ~=zero and that the CAGW hypo is falsified.
But this has already happened, which is why the warmists have falsified the temperature record in order to minimize this ~35-year past cooling
In other words, we already have a good bound on the magnitude of ECS (near-zero = insignificant) and we already have strong evidence that the CAGW hypo is false.
Regards, Allan

Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 3:25 am

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Joe - the non scientist
February 1, 2017 2:45 pm

Mann
CO2 went from 280ppm to 281 ppm circa 1850. The shift from a cooling trend to a warming trend was much greater than the warming trend from 1980 to 1998 when CO2 went from 300ppm to 350 ppm.
Any explanation as to why the an increase in 1ppm of CO2 caused a greater increase in warming than an increase in 50ppm?

Joe - the non scientist
February 1, 2017 2:47 pm

Mann- your 2015/2016 study showed the pause is caused by the cooling side of the AMO/PDO cycle
Any explanation as to why the flip side of the same AMO/PDO cycle had nothing to do with the warming of the 1980/90’s?

stock
February 1, 2017 2:50 pm

Wow I have never seen a picture of that guy, what a total dweeb. Probably got more money than me….life ain’t fair.

toorightmate
Reply to  stock
February 1, 2017 3:48 pm

Don’t judge a book by its cover.
In this case, the book is far worse than the cover.

pameladragon
Reply to  stock
February 1, 2017 5:38 pm

He reminds me of an angry puffer fish.
PMK

Mark T
Reply to  stock
February 1, 2017 9:56 pm

How he looks is irrelevant to how stupid he can be, an ad hominem, in fact.

Reply to  Mark T
February 2, 2017 1:43 am

+ 1, Mark.

Reply to  Mark T
February 2, 2017 7:04 am

Largely true, with one exception.

Bartemis
Reply to  Mark T
February 2, 2017 3:45 pm

Yes, and no. Stupid people are not able to envision how they look to others. Hey, Mike, the 1990’s called, and they want their goatee back.

emsnews
February 1, 2017 2:51 pm

Why don’t we ask them all to jump off a cliff in protest? Oh, it will cause pollution. But then they all exhale…

February 1, 2017 2:52 pm

Pew Research: Only 27% of Americans Don’t Believe The ‘97% Consensus of Climate Scientists’ Claim: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/05/many-americans-are-skeptical-about-scientific-research-on-climate-and-gm-foods/
Yes. Only 27% believe in the 97%!!!
THE PEOPLE realize that, first off, those “consensus” numbers are obviously inflated and based on trickery.
Secondly, the people realize that this supposed consensus of “97%” is … a consensus of ideology, not a consensus of science. It’s a consensus among leftists like the radical Berkeley educated Michael Mann. If you correct for ideology then there is zero consensus, and a poll of conservative scientists shows a consensus against the climate idiocy.
Mann is a leftist. Who hobnobs with leftist politicians day in and day out. Like all the other leftist climate loons. End the politicized insanity!

Latitude
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 1, 2017 4:41 pm

Who in this world does he think is going to buy his book?
Leftists don’t need a primer….and conservatives wouldn’t touch it

Reply to  Latitude
February 1, 2017 5:02 pm

Exactly. VERY few have bought Mann’s book. Now, if he would change sides and write a book saying that climate change isn’t happening, then he’d have a best seller and be a millionaire instead of in the poorhouse.

Paul Johnson
Reply to  Latitude
February 1, 2017 5:32 pm

As expected, The Madhouse Effect ranks 18,552 on Amazon, having sold 146 books worldwide in January.

Reply to  Latitude
February 1, 2017 6:52 pm

(apparently not widely distributed)

Non Nomen
Reply to  Latitude
February 2, 2017 3:35 am

Who in this world does he think is going to buy his book?

Thrift-shop owners?

MarkW
Reply to  Latitude
February 2, 2017 9:33 am

I was going to say that a lot of liberals would buy it for their conservative friends.
Then I remembered, liberals don’t spend their own money.

lee
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 1, 2017 9:20 pm

Should that be “Only 27% of Americans DO believe”?

Reply to  lee
February 2, 2017 2:06 am

Yup. DO believe. Funny that it’s phrased in terms of belief. That’s what it’s about. “Climate change” is a religion. A religion for religion-hating leftists.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 2, 2017 8:17 am

Think you meant “Only 27% of Americans DO believe…”
And that’s great news, suggesting there are fewer gullible Americans than there might be.

Tom in Florida
February 1, 2017 2:58 pm

“Only the most fringe of politicians now disputes the overwhelming scientific consensus”
Perhaps that was what the Pope said to Giordano Bruno just before they lit the fire.

Sheri
Reply to  Tom in Florida
February 1, 2017 5:52 pm

The President of the United States is now a “fringe” politician? Interesting.

nzpete
February 1, 2017 2:58 pm

“scientists are rebelling against the new Trump administration.”
Hilarioius, reading that line from pudgy chops, the “very master of the tree ring circus” (to quote Mark Steyn).
An open enquiry into the actual science by the new administration would be welcome, and revealing.

February 1, 2017 2:59 pm

I’m waiting for climate stasis and the seas to stop rising.

Kiwi Heretic
Reply to  Bob Greene
February 1, 2017 3:19 pm

Did you mean “climate stasis” or the “Climate Stasi”?

nzpete
February 1, 2017 3:00 pm

Bugger, a typo (Hilarioius):
“scientists are rebelling against the new Trump administration.”
Hilarious, reading that line from pudgy chops, the “very master of the tree ring circus” (to quote Mark Steyn).
An open enquiry into the actual science, by the new administration would be welcome, and revealing.

Reply to  nzpete
February 1, 2017 3:14 pm
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 1, 2017 3:27 pm

The word “consensus” should be in there also.

Sheri
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 1, 2017 5:53 pm

This is an insult to chimpanzees everwhere.

February 1, 2017 3:02 pm

co-authored with Washington Post editorial cartoonist Tom Toles.
We’re very serious about climate science. That’s why only climate scientists can have opinions about climate science. Oh, and cartoonists. Climate scientists and cartoonists can talk about climate science. Oh, and movie stars. Yes, climate scientists, cartoonists, and movie stars. Oh, and psychologists. Yes, climate science is very serious and can only be addressed by climate scientists, cartoonists, movie stars, and psychologists. Oh, and Al Gore. Yes, so… climate scientists, cartoonists, movie stars, psychologists and clowns.

DonK31
Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 1, 2017 3:17 pm

…and Naven Johnson.

PiperPaul
Reply to  DonK31
February 1, 2017 4:57 pm
Trebla
Reply to  DonK31
February 1, 2017 7:34 pm

and don’t forget Ronald MacDonald (soon to be unemployed) and Alfred E. Neuman.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 1, 2017 5:31 pm

Toles is hard left. Mann’s partnering whit him is what poker players call a tell.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 2, 2017 5:25 am

+ excellent!

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 2, 2017 8:04 am

Yes, climate science is very serious and can only be addressed by climate scientists, cartoonists, movie stars, and psychologists. Oh, and Al Gore … and clowns.

And bloggers. And countless activists. And churnolists. And everything that uses (some variety of) enviro- as a prefix.
And don’t forget every (ever so slightly) left leaning politician. They and only they need to fix this mess. And do it now.
It is time for everybody else to just shut up now.

StarkNakedTruth
Reply to  Jonas N
February 2, 2017 11:44 am

You forgot the “Doomsday” cultists and all of their “tipping point” predictions.

Paul Penrose
February 1, 2017 3:09 pm

What “unequivocal scientific evidence”? I don’t think he knows what “unequivocal” means. Or “evidence” for that matter. And the talk about consensus and “socially acceptable” is not science. That is politics. And when it is no longer “socially acceptable” to question whether the output of process models is scientific evidence, or debate the usefulness of synthetic benchmarks like average global temperature, we are talking about oppression. When the consensus is used to shout down the minority and declare victory, that’s tyranny. Not science. If there has been an assault on science, it has been by the likes of Mann and Jones, not the Trump administration.

Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 1, 2017 3:33 pm

It should be not “unequivocal scientific evidence” but “unequivocal politicization.”
And when we say “politicization” we mean leftism.
Climatology now is leftist advocacy that masquerades as “science.”
In other words, it’s not science. *Everything* these activist scientists do is geared toward advancing their leftist “cause,” not toward uncovering truth as actual science is charged with.

Keith J
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 2, 2017 5:08 am

Energy is freedom.

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Eric Simpson
February 2, 2017 8:53 am

“Climatology now is leftist advocacy that masquerades as “science.””
Yup. Let’s just hope this changes once the “golden goose” of funding gets slaughtered.

Sheri
Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 1, 2017 5:57 pm

I don’t think very many people know what “unequivocal scientific evidence” is. They confuse probability with certainty, believe in “may”, “could”, “might”, “is associated with”, etc. The idea of “proof” is what the media tells them or some politically active no longer science journal reports. At this point in time, I question how many “scientists” in many fields know what unequivocal evidence is.

Reply to  Sheri
February 1, 2017 6:23 pm

Sheri, I’m 100% certain that the probability of rolling a 7 with two fair dice is 1/6. If you disagree, please contact the pit boss at your nearest casino. I will also suggest that you poll scientists to find out if they know what “unequivocal evidence is.” If you do that you’ll find your answer.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 5:31 am

Martin Clark –
Martin Clark on February 1, 2017 at 6:23 pm
Sheri, I’m 100% certain
clark away.

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 6:43 am

Sheri,
I know a few scientists that understand what “unequivocal scientific evidence” is, and they don’t use such language casually. They reserve it for things like the laws of thermodynamics, not theories like CAGW and the nebulous “evidence” its supporters cite. I also think that most scientists outside the “climate” specialties would agree with me here, but they are afraid of being called deniers and losing their funding. For all their brilliance, most scientists (and engineers) are not terribly adept at the social game and so are more easily manipulated and bullied.

Sheri
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 10:41 am

Martin Clark: So will you get a 7 or not? Should you bet a bundle on getting a 7?
Polling is not the proper way to ascertain if scientists understand “unequivocal evidence”. Most would say “yes” even if in reality they don’t. Testing them is the only way to find out.
Paul Penrose: Agreed. Such a term is never casual and not widely used. It’s reserved for a few very specific things in science. Or it was.

Caligula Jones
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 12:30 pm

Indeed. I work with a computer modeller (healthcare spending). He’s qualified in math, trust me.
A few years ago I was trying to point him to Climate Audit, explaining that one doesn’t need to know the actual physics (or chemistry or what have you) of climate change, but like Steve McIntyre (also qualified in math), one can at least check the numbers.
I mentioned flipping a coin. Yes, its 50/50 every time you flip a coin that you will get a head, or a tail. That’s the “settled science” of the math.
Here’s the gist of the conversation:
If you say you flipped a coin 10 times and got 5 heads and 5 tails, i.e., 50/50, I’d say that its a small sample, and can I (pretty, pretty please) see your raw data. Just checking. Its science.
You ignore me, slander me in emails to other scientists, then eventually deign to provide your awesome model. It shows that, indeed, you got 5 heads and 5 tails, but there were exactly 5 straight heads and 5 straight tails. Hmmm…
I then take your exact model, and flip a coin 100 times. Again, no surprise, and I get 50 heads and 50 tails. Again, its 50 straight heads then 50 straight tails.
I get a $200,000 grant from the government and flip the coin 100,000 times. Same 50/50 result, same run of 50,000 straight heads then 50,000 straight tails.
The question is: when you question that you may be getting the “right” answer for the wrong reason?

AGW is not Science
Reply to  Paul Penrose
February 2, 2017 8:24 am

“If there has been an assault on science, it has been by the likes of Mann and Jones, not the Trump administration.”
Here, here. It’s the assault on science we elected Trump to STOP.

Dying Gaul
February 1, 2017 3:10 pm

Quoting:
“Rejection of the unequivocal scientific evidence that carbon emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are warming the planet and changing our climate is no longer socially acceptable. Only the most fringe of politicians now disputes the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and human-caused, and they are largely ignored.”
He uses both politics and science interchangeably in the many switchbacks he uses. He shames the politicians with scientific authority, and then shames the scientist with social authority. I’m getting dizzy. Can he just make a claim and back it up with evidence? [everyone together now] NO!
What future generations will not comprehend is the fact that these failed ideas, once exposed, still do not go away. Perhaps they will still be there in the mid forties, claiming that “any day now!”

Roger Knights
Reply to  Dying Gaul
February 2, 2017 10:48 am

“Rejection of the unequivocal scientific evidence that carbon emissions from the burning of fossil fuels are warming the planet and changing our climate is no longer socially acceptable. Only the most fringe of politicians now disputes the overwhelming scientific consensus that climate change is real and human-caused, and they are largely ignored.”

He’s describing AGW, which few deny, and using it as a strawman to defend CAGW.

commieBob
February 1, 2017 3:18 pm

We scientists …

In my career, I heard sentences start that way only a few times. Each time the rest of the sentence was crap. My reaction was always something like:

Wee scientists … sure and what do the big scientists think?

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  commieBob
February 1, 2017 5:32 pm

+1

AGW is not Science
Reply to  commieBob
February 2, 2017 9:20 am

LOL touche!

February 1, 2017 3:18 pm

An argument for Trump works like this. You present your cost-benefit analysis, return-on-investment case, and you can get his admin to look at it. Screaming does not work. His admin has MBA DNA so you have to make an MBA argument. Everything else is just blather. What is surprising is the inability of Mann to understand his new boss and adjust his presentation. Even if his ROI case is simplistic, I think Trump would be impressed he tried.

Sheri
Reply to  Donald Kasper
February 1, 2017 6:01 pm

Actually, it’s not surprising at all. Progressives can not fathom losing. They believed they would be in power for the remainder of eternity. They had no plan to deal with loss other than tantrums and holding their breath till they pass out. Loss is not a reality to these people. They MUST win and if they don’t, they still did in their minds. Even now, they don’t believe Trump won, they believe only that people don’t yet realize that Trump lost.

Reply to  Sheri
February 1, 2017 7:12 pm

You’ve got their attitude knocked, Sheri. Being wrong is not an option. They just *know* that victory would follow if only they could convey their message properly.
March last year I published this about Progressivism.
Following Trump’s victory, I think now that article conveys some of what people are so fed up about and why so many voted for him.

Reply to  Sheri
February 1, 2017 7:20 pm

Stick to chemistry Frank, because you are out of your league in politics.

Harry Passfield
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 2:09 am

Progressives can not fathom losing

Quite right, Sheri, but even more-so, they can’t understand how to make money, other than it comes from a money tree AKA other people’s pockets.

Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 5:32 am

Pat Frank February 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm

March last year I published this about Progressivism.

In contradiction to Martin Clark’s rude comment (above) regarding Dr Frank’s essay on Progressivism, I found it enlightening, beautifully constructed and erudite.

Johann Wundersamer
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 5:45 am

Yep, Sheri – look
Pat Frank on February 1, 2017 at 7:12 pm
You’ve got
Being wrong is not an option.
Good from frankly Bat. No?
March last year I published

Paul Penrose
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 6:48 am

Martin,
You should stick to…er, whatever you are good at, because you suck at this!

Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 8:29 am

Your empty dismissal is an exercise in fatuity, Martin Clark.

TA
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 9:44 am

“Loss is not a reality to these people.”
Reality is not reality to these people.

Sheri
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 10:43 am

TA: Well said!

Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 10:58 am

Thanks for your kind words, Luc. And sorry about the messed up link. 🙂

February 1, 2017 3:26 pm

I think ol’ Mike is in a CYA mode – and perhaps a little too cocksure having had that CYA provided for him for WAY too long – he was extremely lucky to have Obama in the White House when Climategate broke.

co2islife
February 1, 2017 3:27 pm

If I were Michael Mann, I’d be hiding in Mexico. Once people start looking into the “Science” behind this work they will demand he be put behind bars.
Smoking Gun #21: The Climategate Emails expose scientific collusion, malpractice and highly unethical, deceitful, deceptive and unscientific practices.
Smoking Gun #22: Climate “Science” isn’t science at all. Some described it as “Politicized” science, but in reality, it is just cleverly disguised politics.
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/climate-science-on-trial-the-smoking-gun-files/

Reply to  co2islife
February 1, 2017 4:06 pm

Smoking gun number one would be the contents of Mann’s “Back to 1400 CENSORED” directory.
Here, after 18 years, he’s still not published the code for how he calculated the MBH98/99 hockey stick.

co2islife
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 1, 2017 4:12 pm

That entire “science” needs to be put of trial. Climate “Science” on Trial; The Smoking Gun Files
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/climate-science-on-trial-the-smoking-gun-files/

Bob Hoye
Reply to  Pat Frank
February 1, 2017 5:01 pm

I’m told that if you put baseball scores into Mann’s “model” it will pump out a “hockey stick”.

feed berple
February 1, 2017 3:28 pm

It sounds like Mann is denying that climate changes. Only 20 thousand years ago the US was covered in a mile of ice. Then, when CO2 was at its lowest the planet started to warm. Proving that low CO2 causes climate change.

feed berple
Reply to  feed berple
February 1, 2017 3:33 pm

So since both low CO2 and high CO2 can be shown to cause climate change, there is no way to adjust CO2 to prevent climate change.

Reply to  feed berple
February 2, 2017 9:17 am

You make a thought provoking point. I went back and looked at charts of C02 overlaid with the temperature trend from 1880 and even at the lowest points of C02, the temperature trend is rising. So how could returning C02 levels to around 285 ppm cause the temperature trend to do anything but what it did before? Assuming of course there is any cause and effect relationship going on.

Geoffrey Williams
February 1, 2017 3:28 pm

I believe that Michael Mann is a fraudster and should be held to account for the lies that he has expounded.

RockyRoad
February 1, 2017 3:39 pm

Mann’s argument indicts HIMSELF; HE has been the one “taking tainted money from a subservice government”.
By the way, I found a picture of Mann’s cousin:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5184/5557340276_e006d1c63d.jpg

Sheri
Reply to  RockyRoad
February 1, 2017 6:02 pm

Now you’re insulting gerbils. Mean, mean, mean.

RockyRoad
Reply to  Sheri
February 1, 2017 7:26 pm

…my apologies to gerbils. I will send a token donation to the ASPCA. /s

Sheri
Reply to  Sheri
February 2, 2017 10:46 am

There are gerbil rescue societies you could donate to. 🙂
(Are you frightened now?!)

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