According to Salon, women who have taken a personal decision to help save the planet, by not having children, are angry that celebrity hypocrites appear to be ignoring the climate issues which they claim to take so seriously.
Baby Doomers: As climate change threatens to strain resources, women are increasingly reevaluating reproductive decisions. Now, these women are angry
When Sara Kelly, the 30-year-old founder of SAK PR firm in Philadelphia, posted an article to her Facebook page in December — one describing the growing trend of women refusing to have children for environmental reasons — it received more than 60 impassioned comments, mostly from friends of childbearing age debating the merits of the movement. “The topic comes up at least once a week,” Kelly told Salon. “People on both sides are having to put a lot more thought into their reasons than ever before. We’re forced to weigh the impact of climate change more than any generation before us. At dinner, cocktail hours, birthday parties. . . it’s on everyone’s mind.”
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So, in the great population debate of 2016, who came out on top: the pro-baby set, or population-control enthusiasts? It doesn’t really matter, some experts contend, because we’re having the wrong conversation.
“We have a generation of people whose decisions are deeply and painfully complicated by climate change,” Josephine Ferorelli, co-founder of the nonprofit Conceivable Future, which frames global warming as a reproductive justice issue, told Salon. “There isn’t a correct answer here — it’s an impossible choice. So we’re trying to refocus the conversation to something larger.”
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Conceivable Future — a network that welcomes parents as well as non-parents — encourages women of every experience to share their struggles in an attempt to put political will behind emotion. So far, they have more than 70 testimonials and counting. While they’re often mistaken for a population control advocacy group, this isn’t the case, largely because discussions of population control, they believe, are often rooted in classist ideology. Because it’s women in developing countries who tend to have more children, it’s these women who are often targeted. In reality, the largest per capita carbon emissions come from America. According to Mother Jones, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie’s daughter Zahara will likely produce 45,000 pounds of CO2 yearly, but that number would shrink to 221 pounds had Zahara stayed in Ethiopia.
It’s this discrepancy that’s increasingly shaping the plans of future mothers. Take Mary Sullivan, a 31-year-old school teacher from Newton, New Jersey, who has decided to foster children rather than have her own. “Climate change is already killing children in the developing world, and soon we will see the effects on the most vulnerable citizens of our country,” she told Salon. “Arguably, we are already. I don’t consider myself especially vulnerable, but I also don’t think I’ll ever be in a financial position to guarantee my child’s safety in the midst of a global crisis. With that in mind, yes, it does make me angry that there are people in the world who don’t even have to think about this — and these are often the very people making the decisions causing this disaster or refusing to address the problem.”
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It is good that jet-setters who claim to be concerned about CO2 emissions are receiving more public criticism for their hypocrisy. But in my opinion, the real tragedy is women being terrorised out of child bearing by climate propaganda.
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Yes but if they stop having kids, hopefully the stupid breeds itself out of the gene pool. The foster kids of these people are a worry.
My wife’s cousin decided not to have children in the (19) seventies because of fears about their being a third world war (her father’s brain washing having fought in the second world war). Now we are all in our 60/70s and all her cousins have children and grand children and she doesn’t. Regrets? I don’t know. It is too delicate a subject to bring up in casual conversation. When AGW is shown to be false and the majority agree I fear a lot of women will have regrets and a lot of anger against those who perpetrated the fraud.
regrets?
many
anger?
plenty!
and yes many of us were just trusting kids when we got brainwashed BY approved teachers promulgating this crud.
blaming us for being scared n mislead n bullied into decisions that made our lives a damn sight less fulfilling isnt helpful
If these women are that stupid, let them self select out of the gene pool.
My oh my. I hope these people don’t vote. They obviously don’t have the requisite gray matter!
I went through this process in the 70’s reading ‘Limits to Growth’ by the Meadows and The Club of Rome.
Since the Earth , according to the Meadows, could not possible support the predicted population I developed an indifference to fathering a child that would have a very tough life in the noughties or so I was told.
The Club of Rome and the Meadows science was rubbish as it has transpired, much like CAGW.
Fortunately a large family has adopted us so we haven’t missed totally the experience of bringing up children but I regret believing a apocalyptic science paper that forecast the end of civilization
bless you, glad it wans just us females fell for it too.
yes friends kids are a semi family
but its never the same is it?
Agree entirely with the final paragraph. It’s not dissimilar to the women in Europe who had abortions after Chernobyl even though they were beyond the danger zone. Greens scaremongering has consequences.
http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/SCIENCE.jpg
Yeah, those lame scientists whose work is responsible for the quality of life we have today.
I love science, but our quality of life owes little to it. All the great advancements were made with little or no understanding of why they worked, and theres very little that started as science and became something we use. Fire, steam power, the internal combustion engine, vaccines, antibiotics (mainly), sanitation, anaesthetics (which we still dont know how they work), flight…
Experimenters should be our heroes! They are the ones who made life better.
Experimentation is science. As things stand today, experimental science is the best form of science. Regarding your statement about major achievements not being science-informed, I suspect it is not supported by evidence. I know of at least one case where the evidence is to the contrary. When you get a chance, visit the USAF museum in Dayton, OH. They have preserved parts of Wright brothers’ research lab that existed long before the first flight. Seeing it will be a shock to you if your priors are informed by the media incessantly referring to them as “tinkerers”.
“Yeah, those lame scientists whose work is responsible for the quality of life we have today.”
You’re referring to engineers, Chris.
They’re the ones who convert theory into practice, just like the Wright brothers.
“Yeah, those lame scientists whose work is responsible for the quality of life we have today.”
You’re referring to engineers, Chris.
They’re the ones who convert theory into practice, just like the Wright brothers.
Real science doesn’t try to disprove God, it tries the explain the world he/she create. Somehow we got to where we are, and somehow all this was created, and that explanation may never be known, but without being able to explain how things were created in the first place, it is kind of difficult to reject God as the creator. Then, of course, you have to ask who created God. Get my point? Some questions science will never answer.
“. . . there is no cure for stupidity.”
Quite.
If one doesn’t know the right questions to ask, then the answers don’t matter (timeless adage that, regardless of the generation).
So, “Childless Children Doomers” have gone all in for the blue marble and humanity? Hopefully, they won’t consider removing their breasts.
But, there’s really no need for such selfless sacrifice. See, a funny thing happened as the Rockefeller/Gates/et al crowd got their abortion/sterilization/save the earth’s resources (for themselves) programs funded and underway. Couple of early clues: China’s population won’t able to replace itself, thanks to their brilliant one child policy, and Japan’s population looks like a one-winged 747 headed off the bottom of the population charts. But what’s really interesting is this set of world charts comparing replacement workers. I know, I know, we’ve been told we can lab all of–and the type of–humans we want in going forward (can you imagine stepping on a football or rugby field with one of those things), but what if the labs get it wrong? What if the scientists don’t know what they claim to know? Are found to be fallible? Or liars? Psychopaths? I digress. Have a look at the charts.
https://econimica.blogspot.com/2016/06/why-this-time-is-completely-utterly.html
Can anyone name a woman that doesn’t think her Children are the greatest joys in her life? What a completely misguided group of people these leftists are, and it is truly unfortunate, let alone, self-limiting. After a few more generations the liberal nitwit gene will have been removed from the gene pool. Their self-hate robs them of life’s greatest joy. BTW, without haveing children you never truly reach adulthood, so it kind of explains why so many of these childless leftist seem to be so developmentally arrested in their teen years.
Co2 is life, I have a lot of female friends who do not think that ‘having children is the greatest joys in their life’, and they regret having had them. Not everyone wants kids. I certainly do not. ‘Without having kids you never truly reach adulthood’. Really? Tell that to the people who end up conceiving a kid they don’t want. Usually because they were pissed at the time, and didn’t think to take precautions. If you think that’s an adult way of behaving, then you need to grow up.
When you are bitter at life, there is nothing outside of you that can change that.
First you need to fix yourself, then you can start enjoying all the pleasures of life.
Of course if you would rather continue to wallow in your bitterness towards others, nobody can stop you.
Wow, I thank God I had conservative parents and grew up in a conservative community. The hatred the Left has towards children is shocking. The more I learn about the left, the more morally bankrupt them become, the more black-hearted they become, and the uglier they become. Bottom line, I’m glad I was never part of that anti-children, anti-human, anti-Christian, anti-morality, anti-progress, anti-free-market, anti-America, entitlement minded, collectivist liberal crowd.
I have three kids. Before they had children, our Christmas Eve was boring. A bunch of adults sitting around giving books and shirts to each other.
With the grandkids at Christmas Eve, the party is on. Just no comparison.
Imagine the pity you would feel to people who never had sex for fear of committing a mortal sin. Not having children because of a fear of global warming/whatever is 100x worse.
co2islife: Worse, they are going to expect our kids to work so that they can have a comfortable retirement.
joel: Sex is not a mortal sin for several reasons. First, the very idea of a mortal sin is a human invention. From God’s perspective as is made clear in the Bible, there is only sin. There are no gradations of sin.
Secondly, it’s only sex outside of marriage that is a sin. Sex within marriage is a gift from God.
co2islife
Absolutely Those who say they are not having children because they have accepted the preaching of the GW terrorists are undoubtedly those who dislike children in the first place. They find the GW ‘scare’ presents them with a good excuse for justifying their ‘I hate children’ attitude when they would otherwise receive silent criticism from their friends at the dinner table.
That is really tragic. The left convinces people to never experience the greatest joy most people ever have. The more I learn about the left, the darker and soulless they become.
1) “They” are afraid of all sorts of things. Living in fear and not knowing it. The unknowns associated with having kids would just add to their fears (and they are aware of that). But rather than say THEY are afraid for themselves, they say they are afraid for the kids (and they don’t realize they are confused).
2) “They” are selfish and are using whatever is handy to stay away from kids, rather than saying “I am selfish”.
3) “They” are both knowledgeable, and fearful, that the kids that they would likely have would be substandard (in their eyes), so they don’t want kids and use the world problems as an excuse. [these are the ones that I have met in person].
4) There are a few that think non-existence is better than existence with the potential of problems.
5) There are those that think no one would want to have children with them, so world problems are a good excuse.
6) There are chris’ and griffs and similar … that will say anything at any time to get on the bandwagon to get attention.
It’s a standard distribution curve based on the child’s age. As infants and toddlers, they are the greatest gift. When their teenage (trust me), they are three standard deviations from the “greatest joy” tag. ;-)!!
However when they start having kids, they quickly return to the greatest joy category.
@FTOP_T: I don’tknow, the problems get bigger and they certainly get nasty when the hormones kick in, but at the same time there are moments when you can sit together, and talk, and wonder about the universe that even make those difficult years a joy. And, you can’t get them back, once they’re gone…
Agreed @Cube,
There was both truth and a bit of tongue in cheek in my bell curve analogy. With two daughters (15 & 16) that are both straight A students, our problems are all 1st world ones. It is difficult to combat the indoctrination they receive from the schools and media. Reading about folks on here whose lives were altered by the Malthusian warnings from their youth is disturbing.
It is all angels on a pin. The sun represents essentially all the mass in our solar system and all of its energy. The ocean absorbs and retains (as latent heat) the gift of life from the sun. It is folly to think man can change the direction dictated by these two forces (sun + ocean).
The green movement seems very dark in its view of the world. Why not enjoy the bounties afforded by how fortuitous we are that the earth formed in such a way as to sustain life. I think I’ll golf in the sun on Saturday.
Jay: ‘Without having kids you never truly reach adulthood’ is very true but also has one caveat. Being a parent can make you focus on someone other than yourself, but you have to be willing to also sacrifice for someone other than yourself to achieve the best result. Some people simply never learn to be willing to give up their lives for their children or to love a child more than yourself.
So sad, but true. The unselfish aspect is the part the left seems to have a problem with. Tragic.
Jim, I don’t know who you’re trying to kid – yourself, me, or others? During the Maunder Minimum, people abandoned or ate their children in order to survice, and they will do so again if and when things get bad enough.
Jay: What you have said here doesn’t disprove anything. You left out the fact that some people also died trying to protect their children. You simply confirm the fact that some people never learned to be willing to give up their lives for their children or to love a child more than themselves.
I think there’s a chance they are after getting a Darwin Award.
http://www.darwinawards.com/
James Bull
‘They quickly return to the greatest joy category’. They have to. So that they can justify their mistake when they accidently pump out a unit and will now have to live with it for the rest of their silly lives.
You just proved to me that you are a liberal narcissist who puts yourself above everyone else!
I hope and pray that someone as selfish and self-centered as you, never has children.
Nature seems to sense that, and those who should not have children, usually do not. But as in all things, nothing is perfect, so we hear the horror stories of the few that do have children that should not.
I’m guessing your middle name is either “no” or “without”
Children are a serious drain, financially and time-wise, on devoting yourself to the seeking of personal pleasure.
That is the real reason these self-centered creatures are not having children – but they have to turn it into a virtue signal.
Now, the one that is fostering isn’t doing that – but no sane foster agency should even consider her as a foster parent; all too likely the kids will end up dead in a murder-suicide like the poor Brazilian children mentioned in another comment.
How truly sick and hypocritical is that? Maybe all those elitist journalists at Mother Jones should move to Ethiopia and live in a hut. Last I looked publishing takes a lot of trees, paper, and energy. And I doubt the quality of life in San Francisco is anywhere near that in Ethiopia.
No tragedy, as that has always been a personal choice issue. We all descend from people that chose to have children in the face of adversity. For every westerner woman that decides not to have children there are a million Chinese women that are just too happy to have a second child.
America’s birth rate is a disaster. The number of young, healthy, productive people is declining. The number of pensioners, me included, is increasing. It doesn’t take a genius to know that it is a recipe for economic disaster.
The idiots, who refrain from breeding so they can save the planet, are just making an excuse for what they would do anyway. People always make up logical virtuous sounding excuses for what they are going to do. The reasons they actually aren’t breeding are deeper and, IMHO, are rooted in their own selfishness and shortsightedness.
All my life, I have been told of, and seen, the bad results of population increases. Increased urbanization, suburban sprawl, and encroachment into rural areas. This, of course, has led to near universal zoning laws on the US East and West coasts, pushing housing costs to truly unaffordable levels. We also have population pressures on everything from water resources to fisheries to open spaces and National Parks. On the economic front, when unemployment is calculated the same as when Carter was president, the rate is a staggering 23%. To put this number in perspective, unemployment hit 23% only briefly at the height of the Great Depression, currently this rate has been dragging on for 8 long years. Our Labor Force Participation Rate is back down to where it was in the early 1970s. But in the early 1970s, the one income family with a stay-at-home mom, was still the norm. (Although that would change fast) This Labor Force Participation Rate, when a two income family is needed to pay the bills, is a disaster for the middle class.
Yet everywhere we look, we are told that increasing computerization, the next wave of automation, and robotics will combine to make the employment situation a whole lot worse.
Yet somehow, through it all, we are now told that not enough babies is the problem. The truth is that our economic base is declining faster than our population base. Or, put another way, our economic base is not expanding as fast as our population base. (on a per-capita base, same thing)
The thing really threatened here is the government’s ability to tax, borrow, and spend beyond all reason. Ironically, it is the government’s own social and economic policies pursued since the 1960s which have wrecked the financial foundations of the middle class and turned the govt social programs into giant Ponzi schemes.
And all this is because women are not having enough babies? Really?
You got it TonyL. “The thing really “is caused by” the government’s ability to tax, borrow, and spend beyond all reason. Ironically, it is the government’s own social and economic policies pursued since the 1960s which have wrecked the financial foundations of the middle class and turned the govt social programs into giant Ponzi schemes.” I made one little change. The problem is not that the gov’s tax ability is threatened, the gov’s tax ability has caused the problems. Take a look at Wrusssr’s January 30, 2017 at 11:30 pm link.
https://econimica.blogspot.com/2016/06/why-this-time-is-completely-utterly.html
It has a logical explanation for what is happening to the world’s economy. It is out of control because there is no restraint on the ability of government banks and Central Banks to print money.
Coincidenatly, The WSJ had an article on almost exactly the same thing.`Since the Britain, the US, and the world went off the gold standard the US dollar, as the strongest, most stable economy became the default world currency. Any dollars in other countries were essentially a deficit of dollars in the US. IF currencies are backed by something physical, such as gold, when there are price pressures the price of gold rises. When there is less demand is falls, automatically balancing things out. The ever so smart global banking system seems to have found a way to hide the problem by playing ring-around-the-rosy, passing growing deficits back forth behind the scenes through taxes and exchange limits.
Governments pay people to not work, and punish people who do work.
Is it any wonder that more people choose not to work and that those who do work are less enthusiastic about it?
An aptly named website. There is a German word, ‘salonfahig’, which means socially acceptable with the conotation: good for the kudos.
If this is the reason these stupid people aren’t having babies then I’m 100% behind them. It may improve the gene pool a bit.
So why are these women not moving to Ethiopia? Why are they using the CO2 producing Internet to complain about CO2?
The whole thing is so illogical and so emotion-driven its embarrassing.
“Climate change is already killing children in the developing world”.
Err, where exactly?
Nowhere. It’s poverty that is killing people, especially children, in the developing world. And the only way out of poverty is to improve the local economy. That can’t be done without reliable, affordable energy.
I always believed that the Earth had self-correcting feedback mechanisms.
I’m glad to see that this applies to the humans as well…
The other day I was amused to read comments in the Guardian from people genuinely in a panic about climate change. Then I got to thinking about how they arrived at that state of mind. Every day, the Guardian is full of alarmist scare stories and pseudo science articles promising doom.
People are attracted to internet blogs and social media discussions that reinforce their own beliefs. In the absence of counter arguments they end up with a high degree of certainty in what they are told.
However, even provable facts seem to be controversial in climate change. The excellent essay on How Climate Works part 2 had in the comments a strongly contested debate about how the models are tuned. Surely that is known or discoverable? It seems that Climate Science, rather being a search for truth, really is a religious belief system with the threat of fire and brimstone for the sinners.
There was a religious sect that forbade sex. Their last 2 followers were 2 brothers that lived in Ridgefield CT. and died (I think) in the 1970’s. They were well into their 80’s.
So it does work, that sect no longer exists and they no longer produce CO2.
They are probably producing methane at this very moment, however.
My great-great aunties did that! My grandmother’s parents committed suicide so she was raised by these aunties on their farm commune in upstate NY. She was the only child there and had adventures and then got married and had children. Yes, there were cults that did this.
The Shakers were a Protestant Christian group that had a vocation (calling) to the monastic life, but no idea how to go about it. For many years, they increased because some portion of the many orphans they took in joined them. (The reason they had no idea how to do monastic life and had to reinvent it on their own was because in the Protestant social environment of that time and place, nobody even considered asking Catholics about such a thing.)
thus endeth the pedantic historical note.
Sounds like the Quakers.
While they didn’t have their own children, they were quick to adopt any children that others did not want or have room for.
Nor did they pressure these children to become Quakers, as many left the sect when they came of age.
Another example of the crazy misanthropy that CO2 obsession can lead to.
Apparently God has instilled in the SJWs the ability to accomplish their goals, and leave the rest of us in peace. They will non-breed themselves out of existence.
The Climate Cult is essentially a death cult. They personify evil.
So, let me get this straight: First contrive CO2 as a demon to motivate humans via fear to improve their technology. Now further contrive CO2 as a demon to motivate humans via fear to control population growth, hence infrastructural density (crowding, etc.)
Humans seem to have a genetic need to scare themselves s***less in order to act for the common good.
I can’t say conclusively that the end results of such a process might be bad, … just the way of going about it is f’d up.