
Guest essay by Eric Worrall
President Obama has found time in his farewell speech to accuse opponents of his climate policies of not caring about science.
…
So regardless of the station we occupy; we have to try harder; to start with the premise that each of our fellow citizens loves this country just as much as we do; that they value hard work and family like we do; that their children are just as curious and hopeful and worthy of love as our own.
None of this is easy. For too many of us, it’s become safer to retreat into our own bubbles, whether in our neighborhoods or college campuses or places of worship or our social media feeds, surrounded by people who look like us and share the same political outlook and never challenge our assumptions. The rise of naked partisanship, increasing economic and regional stratification, the splintering of our media into a channel for every taste – all this makes this great sorting seem natural, even inevitable. And increasingly, we become so secure in our bubbles that we accept only information, whether true or not, that fits our opinions, instead of basing our opinions on the evidence that’s out there.
This trend represents a third threat to our democracy. Politics is a battle of ideas; in the course of a healthy debate, we’ll prioritize different goals, and the different means of reaching them. But without some common baseline of facts; without a willingness to admit new information, and concede that your opponent is making a fair point, and that science and reason matter, we’ll keep talking past each other, making common ground and compromise impossible.
Isn’t that part of what makes politics so dispiriting? How can elected officials rage about deficits when we propose to spend money on preschool for kids, but not when we’re cutting taxes for corporations? How do we excuse ethical lapses in our own party, but pounce when the other party does the same thing? It’s not just dishonest, this selective sorting of the facts; it’s self-defeating. Because as my mother used to tell me, reality has a way of catching up with you.
Take the challenge of climate change. In just eight years, we’ve halved our dependence on foreign oil, doubled our renewable energy, and led the world to an agreement that has the promise to save this planet. But without bolder action, our children won’t have time to debate the existence of climate change; they’ll be busy dealing with its effects: environmental disasters, economic disruptions, and waves of climate refugees seeking sanctuary.
Now, we can and should argue about the best approach to the problem. But to simply deny the problem not only betrays future generations; it betrays the essential spirit of innovation and practical problem-solving that guided our Founders.
…
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-obama-farewell-speech-transcript-20170110-story.html
I would take President Obama’s appeal for more inclusiveness more seriously if he wasn’t such a hypocrite when it comes to applying the principles he claims to value. When President Obama talks about “a common baseline of facts”, he means his own view of the world.
Obama’s climate lackeys over the years have repeatedly point blank refused to engage with people [who] dispute their version of the facts. Take the following interview, in which NASA’s Gavin Schmidt refused to even sit in the same room as renowned climate skeptic Dr. Roy Spencer, because he didn’t want to talk to a scientist whose interpretation of the evidence differed from his own.
If Gavin Schmidt’s behaviour isn’t an example of “talking past” an opponent, I would like to know what is. Roy Spencer would have been happy to engage with Gavin Schmidt, it was NASA’s Gavin Schmidt who refused to engage with Roy Spencer.
President Obama never to my knowledge criticised this lack of engagement by politically favoured climate scientists. As far as I know President Obama has never sought advice from climate scientists who wanted to say things which Obama didn’t want to hear.
President Obama in my opinion only wants his opponents to acknowledge other points of view, because he is no longer in the driving seat.
President-elect Trump does listen to people whose viewpoints differ from his own – which is why Trump will be a far better President than Obama was.
Swan song? More like the sound a rubber duck makes when you step on it…
+1
The second paragraph of his excerpt: “retreat into our own bubbles”. That looks to be exactly what Obama has been doing. Not just retreating into his own bubble, but funding a system to create facts just to suit the needs of that bubble.
Classic projection. That is why people say, “If you want to know what they are up to, listen to what they accuse others of doing.”
SJWs always project. You can tell exactly how they think and what they plan to do by listening to what they claim the other side is thinking and planning.
Yup! If Obama was so interested in science, why didn’t he convene a blue ribbon panel or some such body to take an independent evaluation of the evidence? It was a successful approach to the Challenger disaster which was an awful event but piddling compared to the stated consequences of AGW. Because the AGW “crisis” handed tools to the left that they had wanted for years and couldn’t explain why, he jumped all over it while actually studiously AVOIDING SCIENCE. Hypocrite!
“climate skeptic Dr. Roy Spencer”
Is Dr. Spencer skeptical about the existance of climate? Or is he skeptical about the existence of catastrophic man made global warming? Yes, I know what you meant, but there are people who will not and people who will intentionally misrepresent what you mean while quoting you.
Two examples that reduce Obama’s view to rubble.
1. Debating with Guardian favourite commentator and multiple copy n paste maestro ‘John Samuel’ on the Spectator blog, it becomes clear he will NOT accept that even a single sceptical position has substance. I asked him to name the most tricky sceptic point that he has to overcome and he said ‘none, they’ve all been debunked’. He claimed the hotspot had been found, that models were accurate and of course, there was no pause. His view only allowed as mine wasn’t acceptable in any way.
2. I posted a suggestion that Dana Nuccitelli and David Whitehouse sit down to discuss together; one on the Spectator blog – it’s still there, and one on the Guardian, which was moderated even before it got a chance to be moderated! (ie they refused point blank to even post it) Says it all about that rag. (And they wonder why they’re losing money hand over fist)
Anecdotal stories but both 100% accurate. It’s alarmists who refuse to debate and engage with inconvenient facts, not sceptics. Glad we’re seeing the back of Obama very soon.
Obama’s trying to go for a “two-fer” here; deflecting from the fact that it was HIS foreign policy failures in the Middle East (e.g. “the red line”) that is causing the refugee migration; and promulgating the Progressive and Alarmist talking point that somehow .8 of a degree over a century would SUDDENLY cause mass migration.
Are those supposed to be examples of the “baseline of facts”?
I agree completely with what Obama says about living in bubbles. As president he could have easily had some televised debates or discussions on issues, to let the public hear both sides without being filtered and cut in media editing rooms. So to me he did not walk the walk, he made no attempt to try and create dialog for the public to see.
One such presidential town hall type meeting should be on climate models that have dire predictions for the future. Why aren’t these models correlated to match real data for the last 20 years? My contention is they are not because the economic purpose of these models is not to impress people with their accuracy so they can sell the models to the public, the purpose of the models is to generate fear and support for spending money to study and combat global warming. I’d like to hear the rationale for why these climate models aren’t correlated to real data like other math models. Let the public hear that debate and decide on their own what to think about those model predictions.
All this coming from a man who sponsered this contest? Just sayin, queue the song by the Thompson Twins “Lies”.
https://www.barackobama.com/climate-denier-tournament/
Please don’t tell me he had nothing to do with this site with his name on it……
There is no debate as the idiotic, dishonest, liberals would not only lose a debate (on CAGW, on the economy, on regulations, and so on), if the ‘debate’ was a discussion of facts as opposed to calling the opposing ‘side’ Nazis or Deniers, they would be run out of town on a rail.
This is pathetic:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/endangermentcommentsv7b1.pdf
As it emerges that in all likelihood the Russian fear was directed right out of the Oval office, I believe most Americans will feel revulsion against the current President and his cynical abuse of the power of the office he has so poorly served.
Obama’s speech can be understood either way – who is he addressing exactly. Who are “we”?
8 years and never tried to bring people together to find common ground on an issue? That was basically every issue. Didn’t try to meet gun manufacturers or NRA leaders to come up with “common sense” safety or control measures, either. Just preached from the bully pulpit and say it’s not his fault that nothing got done.
http://americandigest.org/ClimateRecap.jpg
“And increasingly, we become so secure in our bubbles that we accept only information, whether true or not, that fits our opinions, instead of basing our opinions on the evidence that’s out there.”
Reading that, I wondered if he was heading for a mea culpa, admitting that his opinion on climate change had been utter drivel after all. How wrong was I? The oaf gives new meaning to the word “bigot”.
Ok, he says we need a “baseline of facts”.
Fact 1: There has been a warmup since the LIA, on the order of .7C.
Fact 2: There have been many other warming periods, notably the MWP just during this interglacial period, with similar and even greater changes in temperature.
Fact 3: Although there was an uptick in the rate of warming in the 80s and 90s, that has slowed to a crawl, with an actual “Pause” of some 18 or 19 years in length on the books.
Fact 4: Under laboratory conditions, increasing CO2 has a warming effect, dubbed the “greenhouse effect”.
Fact 5: In the wild, no such effect can be attributed, due to a host of factors, boiling down to the fact that climate is “noisy”.
Fact 6: CO2 has a definite and proven positive effect on the biosphere.
Fact 7: At this time, no one can state with any credibility that there is a “planetary emergency”, or even a problem with our climate.
QED.
“Fact 3: Although there was an uptick in the rate of warming in the 80s and 90s,”

Actually, there wasn’t.
There was no warming between 1980 and 1997 in either UAH
or RSS
Speaking of facts, there is no proof that vaccinations cause Autism, however Mr.Trump has nominated a leading anti vaccination campaigner to lead a team investigating links Vaccinations to Autism etc. The fact is there is no link. None. never has been, a fact which has been confirmed time and time again. If Mr. Trump does not think this is a fact, how much confidence do we have in how he views other ‘facts’
I suspect in a post truth age, facts can be anything you want, or as Mr.Trumps pal, Vlad ( Ras) Putin put it so well. “Nothing is true and everything is possible” Anyone see Mr.Trumps post truth press conference today! What a blinder! He has really taken the post truth ideal to his heart bless him.
“lead a team investigating”
Do you have an issue with “investigating” ?????
No wonder you are dogmatic about AGW as well.
“Post-truth”, implies you have the truth already.. Seems you are very, very, FAR from any truth.
The ABSOLUTE ARROGANCE of the far-left coining that phrase, says all that needs to be said.
The best part of the press conference was when Trump referred to CNN as “fake news.”
It is a fake news outlet, isn’t it Gareth?
The “post-truth age” is an apt description of the post-modernist era in which “reality” was socially constructed for the peasants by mainstream media and Hollywood elites.
Those days are over, Gareth.
Get used to it.
I love it when leftists pretend to be able to think.
Look up red herring, then hang your head in shame.
So which part of “There is no link between Autism and inoculations” do you not understand Mark?
“So which part of…”
So which part of “red herring” do you not understand, Phillips?
Obama: “we become so secure in our bubbles that we accept only information, whether true or not, that fits our opinions.”
Pot, kettle, black!
Try again.. first one disappeared into the ether
Would we have had the guts to “throw the bums out?” Thank God for the two-term limit.
The ether gave it back!! 🙂
Here’s some thoughts on the pre-trump era.
Coming out on climate
Authority figures, foretelling
Hot doom (and our “myths” dispelling),
Cast great dispersions
On skeptical versions
(Which keep carbon credits from selling)!
Now, shriller and louder they’re yelling,
To drown out the doubters’ rebelling!
New taxes are “just”
When you’ve gained public trust,
So “the questioners” (quickly) they’re quelling.
I’ve arrived at this realization;
Our industrial civilization
Can only be sin
If ‘green’ socialists win-
On their platform of demonization!
“Isn’t it horrifying when the major media, environmental media, universities, many politicians including the White House, many large environment organizations, environmental studies, national anti-fossil fuel crusades, EPA, DOE, NOAA, even the IPCC and NASA have become so politicized that they aren’t trustworthy.”
Anonymous Heins
Haha a typical climate panic merchant. No facts quoted. No strong belief in the theory, they know they would lose every debate. This attitude of “im not going to allow any scrutiny of my work”. Thats not science.
The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Dems Cheer,
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/?comments=1#comments
It’s clear Griff is paid to do what he does here and elsewhere…and to be so utterly, and provably, wrong time after time, he must be on getting paid a lot.
Not paid at all… just very interested in this subject. As I guess are you, as you are a frequent poster!
I am not wrong – I just present an alternative, science based set of opinions here: I am not biased in the science I accept by ingrained political belief, like many posters on climate issues.
The state of the arctic sea ice is a clear an obvious indicator of climate change… there is no other explanation for the continued trend and the current state is clearly lower than all evidence from recent history.
(for example, in no part of recorded human history has the NW passage previously allowed free passage to any vessel through an ice free channel for a decade, as is currently the case)
Ice free North west passage? With the aid of ice breakers? Is it only in summer? You might like to do some study. We don’t have a long written history of Arctic travel, but it is a stretch to say never.
Arctic sea ice change is an indicator of climate change. The climate has always changed. How do you propose to stop climate change?
“The state of the arctic sea ice is a clear an obvious indicator of climate change…”
WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH !!
The Arctic was often ice free in summer for most of the first 3/4 of the Holocene.
1979 was actually an EXTREME year for Arctic sea ice.
The FACT that we are only a small molehill out of the COLDEST period in the last 10,000 years is more than enough explanation for the FACT that the current level of Arctic sea ice is ANOMOLOUSLY HIGH compared to most of the current interglacial.
If you are STUPID enough to confine your history to just the Little Ice Age and the slight climb out of that COLDEST of periods, then you will continue to keep spouting your child-minded nonsense.
Griff is never wrong, he just changes the subject. Fast.
As to his claim that there has been an ice free NW passage for a decade. Once again, he’s just making it up.
OMG, Skankhunt42, you just cannot look past the end of your (Arctic sea ice) nose, can you? Focusing on a single item without looking at the whole system. Truly amazing and what is fascinating is that you never acknowledge that there is more to global ice mass than the mere Arctic.
And one more thing, Skanky, THE CLIMATE HAS BEEN CHANGING FOR THE PAST 4 BILLION YEARS!!! We have been involved in helping the atmosphere to increase the CO2 concentration for the past 50 or so years, AND THAT IS IT!!! The Arctic has been ice-free in the past, and will be ice-free in the future, that is an undeniable truth. And it would have been ice-free in the future even if our species did not exist on this planet, IMHO.
The only thing that is constant about our climate is CHANGE! And as I have said on other WUWT links, I have NEVER seen the analysis of the past 600 million years refuted, ANYWHERE! We live in a time where the CO2 concentration is very low, 90% of the past 600 million years saw CO2 concentrations significantly higher than present, and based on the undeniable FACT that the earth currently has trillions of plant and animal species is direct evidence that historically high CO2 concentrations did NOT sterilize this planet. And I continue to be amazed at those who are so insanely arrogant to think that we are the primary drivers of the changes to the climate.
Darrell, she sounds interesting…who is Skankhunt42?
And Griff, I assume you are aware there is good evidence the Arctic was ice free (or close to it) during the Hypsethermal (Holocene Optimum) and that the tree-line (in some places) ended at the shoreline.
So what is the big deal about the area’s current ice volume?
Mr. Brisley, to reveal my source …..
Okay, very low-brow and I do admit it, but not freely. The animated show South Park (I SAID I was low-brow) did a fantastic job of using the 2016 election in their story line – there had to be at least eight episodes where they slammed both candidates (“sh!t for choices” is a direct quote), and one of the key players in the whole story line was a local South Park father whose pastime was trolling web sites to get reactions. Went by the moniker of, you guessed-it, “Skankhunt42”.
Therefore my personal moniker for Griff is Skankhunt42 – seems to fit perfectly but yes, very low-brow.
: )
“Science based.” LMFAO!!!
“State of Arctic Ice” is a clear indicator that ice shrinks and expands, based on various things, which “science” lacks a complete understanding of, and which has never been empirically shown to include “human CO2 emissions.” The “no other explanation” canard is an argument based on scientific IGNORANCE, but that’s typical from the Eco-Fascist camp.
As for “RECENT” history, what a convenient cherry-pick. Don’t look back too far, or other times of similar arctic sea ice extent, from periods you couldn’t begin to blame on human CO2 emissions, would rear their ugly head.
Do you have evidence that CO2 levels (much less the minuscule human contribution thereto) are THE CAUSE of changes to arctic sea ice? Didn’t think so.
Griff,
I really need to ask you this.
Who, in your learned opinion, is a better, more tolerant group of people?
A) Those that speak out against Man Made CO2
—and purge all posts from their sites from contributors that disagree with their viewpoint
—and refuse civil discourse/debate on the science (Michael Mann won’t even sit at a table with Roy Spencer)
—and require adjustments be made to the data to fit the model output (NASA GISS/NCDC / Thomas Karl)
—and claim Settled Science by consensus
OR
B) Those that speak in favor of Man Made CO2
—and allow posts to their websites, even from those that disagree with their viewpoint
—and request civil discourse/debate on the science
—and would prefer to trust the unadjusted data to prove/disprove the model output
—and point out that Consensus isn’t a scientific precept
Although you seem to get very little slack here, and sometimes the discourse is rather uncivil towards you, you are still allowed to post here
“I am not wrong – I just present an alternative, science based set of opinions here: I am not biased in the science I accept by ingrained political belief, like many posters on climate issues.”
Yeah, sure. I have some real estate you might be interested in, a few perpetual motion machines, and a 300 mpg carburetor. I have very, very good scientific evidence for everything I offer. Really, really scientific evidence free from political influence.
Why must warmists believe that politics determines the reality of science? There’s no evidence this is true whatsoever. No studies show causality. Nothing. However, there is a very real need to believe that politics is the problem, never the reality that the science is the problem. If the science is the problem, they’ve been taken in by “experts” with a political agenda.
Yet more lies, Grifter.
“Griff January 12, 2017 at 1:38 am
Not paid at all… just very interested in this subject. As I guess are you, as you are a frequent poster!”
Except Griff I post on my own dime from my own systems. You have been discovered to be posting your inaccurate alarmist links and comments from corporate IP addresses and systems, unless you are spoofing a Barclays IP addy (I don’t think you have that info nor skill to use it).
“he must be on getting paid a lot”
No, just a total and absolute INABILITY to learn anything.
Well, he’s just posting press releases from warmists.
I think it’s actually a guidebook they all share. The arguments sometimes are posted verbatim from several posters on several blogs. It keeps them on the narrative.
Yeah, I’ve seen Grift on other sites too – same lines that get shot down the same way. Nothing penetrates him, of course, but replies are more meant to correct the record for other readers.
“Yeah, I’ve seen Grift on other sites too – same lines that get shot down the same way. Nothing penetrates him, of course”
It is said by those who are able to discover these things that Griff posts during working hours from a server with a corporate IP address.
Hence it appears likely that posting mendacious, misleading entries to sceptic blogs is part of his job description and something he gets paid to do, thus explaining why he posts the same misinformation over and over again, no matter how many times it has been debunked, and maligns professionals who contradict the various alarmist memes such as polar bears are an endangered species, and why he appears to be completely without shame or conscience.
You can’t really engage when one party is rigidly close-minded.
Even accepting the IPCC’s views on global warming, Obama has always been very loose with the facts.