Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Professor Joseph A. Palermo, writing for the Huffington Post, thinks anyone who doesn’t agree with climate alarmism shouldn’t be allowed to use any of the products of science.
Republicans, Climate Change, And The New Reality
Joseph A. Palermo
Professor, historian, author
First off, let me be clear: The Republican Party bears responsibility for Donald Trump becoming the 45th President of the United States. The Republican Party nominated him. The party leaders enabled him. There were many complex social, political, and economic forces that produced the Trump catastrophe, but no amount of disassembling and deflecting will change the fact that the Republican Party made this happen.
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Through his public statements and personnel choices Trump has made it clear that he rejects the science of climate change. I’ve always believed that people who dismiss science in one area shouldn’t be able to benefit from science in others. If Trump and his cohort believe the science of global warming is bogus then they shouldn’t be allowed to use the science of the Internet for their Twitter accounts, the science of global positioning for their drones, or the science of nuclear power for their weaponry.
The oil, coal, and gas companies use the same scientific methodology to extract resources that climate scientists use to confirm the planetary disaster that awaits us. It’s pretty crazy to see the U.S. government abandon science when it conflicts with corporate profits, while Trump’s donors from Big Ag, Big Banks, and Big Pharma deploy science to patent new life forms, engage in “high frequency” trading, and invent new drugs.
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Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/republicans-climate-chang_b_13866868.html
The history of science is riddled with episodes of error, mass delusion and group think.
We don’t reject Sir Isaac Newton because he believed in Alchemy, we recognize the great man made a few mistakes, and accept the enormous contribution Newton made to mathematics and physics.
We don’t reject the work of Einstein because he was wrong about the nature of Quantum randomness. We accept that scientists can be wrong.
We don’t reject the entire field of medicine because for many decades, the medical community wrongly rejected the theory that many stomach ulcers are caused by a bacterial infection.
And we don’t reject free speech, because some people say things with which we disagree.
Using the same logic, Professor Palermo should be denied the freedom to express his views because he doesn’t believe in the freedom of expression of others, Mr. Trump included.
Logic? What is this “logic” you speak of?
You know, I sometimes think it would be a whole lot better for everybody, if our hive-hero, ivory-tower mouth-offs, of the good professor’s vintage, were to just spend their privileged-white-dork parasite-lives exclusively devoted to those wanker-friendly flicks, that they originally viewed in an actual theater, and that fired the imagination of their collective, zit-normative, socially-awkward, late-adolescent prime, and from which they acquired those painfully-imitated, creep-out “smooth-moves” of theirs, that, of course, never worked for them, even though those very same “gallantries” were pure “magic” when wielded by their favorite film-stars–priceless examples of the cinematic art, thankfully preserved in our tenured hive-betters’ comprehensive, VHS and Betamax, vintage-porn collections–and leave all the “big-thoughts” business to us “good guy” lovers of Liberty and ethical science.
Mike, that’s a mouthful!
Eh?????…….
Here is your logic.
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@Ross King
Yr: “Eh?????+multiple unconnected doits”
Maybe this’ll help Ross, for the last line read: “and leave all the “big thoughts” business to us “good guy” lovers of Liberty and ethical science, GIVEN OUR SELF-EVIDENT SOCIAL COMPETENCE, OUR PRINCIPLED DEVOTION TO HONEST LABOR, AND OUR PROVEN TRACK RECORD IN THE STUDLY, TRYST-MAGNET PROWESS DEPARTMENT.” Got the picture now, Ross?–speakin’ of which, I mean, like, there’s a photo of the dude, topside there in the post, and everything, so just look at that sucker! See what I mean?
Mike:
Despite yr elaboration, I’m still at a loss as to what point(s) you are trying to make.
I *think* you’re trying to say that a Majority-Vote of sensible, regular folks can beat the Ivory-Tower B_S from the pols. in the Washington Swamp.
If I am correct, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU!
BTW, I am ex-Brit, now Canadian, but I am fully familiar with the same old rhetoric. You are not alone!!
Every so often, the machetes have to come out and reintroduce a system based on fundamental values of the majority of voters, *not* the power-elites and their cozy sycophancy..
God bless you, Sir
Ross
And it all fit in one sentence!!!
Hans – thank you, that clears things up nicely.
Yaaay. Another ad hominem screed from Mike. What a guy.
@ Jeff Alberts
Yr: “…another ad hominem screed from Mike. What a guy.”
Hey Jeff! Thanks much for your enthusiastic, drive-by compliment, above there, or was it really just a little-sneak, snippy, ironic fake-attaboy? Hmmm…well, since we’re just a coupla, regular-guy ol’ buddies, I’m gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the former. So in that spirit, Jeff, thanks again for your very kind words.
But while I relish your “What a guy”, high opinion of l’il ol’ moi, I really cannot, in good conscience, accept your understandable admiration, without noting that I am a mere follower in the footsteps of my improbable hero, Saul Alinsky, who established, as his 5th rule for radicals:
“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating.
And so the hive-bozos ridicule us “good-guy” lovers of Liberty and ethical science, and so I ridicule them. It’s an understanding we have, derived from a common source.
And that the “other side” is infinitely more vulnerable to a good razzing than us “good-guys”, thanks to their group-think, safe-space tethered, beta-weenie, wanker-normative personal qualities; their puffed-up, obnoxious, smarty-pants airs; and their brazen-hypocrite carbon-piggery–so in-you-face that they won’t even hold their innumerable, interminable, carbon-phobe eco-confabs as video-conferences, even though such a video-conference format would not only provide for a zero-carbon event, thereby resulting in zero, post-conference dead-babies and zero, post-conference, dead polar-bears, but would also allow Third-World, Women Climate-Scientists of Color, from impoverished nations, to participate in their field on an equal footing with the good-ol’-whiteboy, privileged-paleface-dorks, currently runnin’ the Gaia-hustle on a de-facto “closed shop” basis, highly recommends the employment of ridicule by “our side”. But you knew all that already, right, Jeff?
“Hey Jeff! Thanks much for your enthusiastic, drive-by compliment, above there, or was it really just a little-sneak, snippy, ironic fake-attaboy?”
Does it matter? Your ego is clearly in full overdrive. Have at it.
@ Jeff Alberts
Yr; “Have at it”
Well, Jeff, since I have your permission, let me give my “ego” a free rein.
You know, Jeff, I rather think we both have “big egos”. But while my big ego, in “overdrive”, inspires me to craft comments that are alive with a coruscating wit, sensual charm, and a “good-guy”-lover-of-Liberty-and-ethical-science charisma, your “low-energy”, passive-agressive, big ego, in contrast, Jeff, seems, in contrast, to merely trigger a more-or-less excretory reflex, in you, producing faintly unsavory, semi-liquid comment-extrusions, figuratively speaking, of course, that are classics of the tedious, crabby, pop-off, fuss-pot, bot-replicant persuasion.
And could it be, Jeff, that your gibe-booger interest in moi, derives from some sort of slow-burn anger, you might harbor, at the injustice of a cruel world that neglects your attention-seeking schtick, such as it is, even as it showers its flutterings on those less worthy? But different strokes for different folks, Jeff, ol’ sport. And there’s a place for both of us on this blog, I think you’ll agree. “Have at it”, good buddy.
This was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
If Professor Palermo believes that the Constitutional Rights afforded to ALL Americans do not apply to President Elect Trump, then; using his own logic, Professor Pallermo should be forced to give up HIS Constitutional rights
Maybe his ilk is that ALL Americans should give up their constitutional rights (to “save Gaia”).
A little twist, wondering what would happen to the “Professor ” if he visited Palermo and mouthed of about the local ” Politico’s ?”
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
George Orwell 1984
So far he is not even the President yet this supposed academic “expert” of history is already claiming this as a catastrophe.
Apparently he refutes that what has not yet occurred is part of the future, not part of “history”. He denies what history is. He should be sacked forthwith, and prevented from publishing or communicating anything about history ever again.
The election of The Donald is by no means a product of the Republican Machine being fuel by Donald Trump Supporters but is simply a failure of the Democratic Machine to bolster sufficient support for Hillary. Just 2% of Democrats voted for Gary Johnson instead of Hillary and that gave Donald Trump the percentage needed to secure 4 key battleground states.
It is the Democrats that elected Trump by NOT supporting Hillary
Remember Greg, he is “modeling.”
“It is the Democrats that elected Trump by NOT supporting Hillary”
I will attest to that, as one who always “rode ‘D’ side of the fence” as a public employee, but when the progressives showed their reddish tints during BHO’s second term I and those I associate with “hopped the fence” realizing that the Dem promises to organized labor are like “whitewashed tombs”.
Greg: Since global warming science can know the future, I see no contradiction in the man using a claim of knowing the future of politics in the same way. There’s probably a model out there that shows Trump’s presidency is 95% likely to be a disaster, which is the same as “absolutely certain”.
Clearly, ‘Greg’ inhabits a surreal world. An inhabited pseudo realism only he/she can rant off. Both pussy and prick and typical loser.
Trump may have played to win the electoral votes needed and HRC played the popular vote. He won and she lost.
Professor Palermo should be allowed to express his views, but only in a way consistent with his views on climate. Since almost every means of communicating his message depends on technology enabled by easy access to the cheap, plentiful energy he opposes, he should confine himself to standing on street corners and shouting through a megaphone. He would, of course, be limited to corners within walking distance.
That was my first thought as well, sauce for the gander etc.
and vegan cold food,
nothing synthetic, or from animals either clothes n footwear wise
bless his scabby knees and little cotton socks! 😉
and no power or tech like his ph or Pc etc
as theyre ALL such nasty polluting things
Using the same logic, Professor Palermo
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Should only use carbon neutral technology in his own life. Anything that is not carbon neutral he should already have stopped using it, to demonstrate his commitment to his own beliefs.
First and foremost, Professor Palermo should not be telling anyone else to be carbon neutral unless he himself is carbon neutral. Like Gore and DiCaprio. Shining examples of green hypocrisy, telling everyone else to do as they say, not as they do.
I for one would like to see that particular carbon life form not devour or use any carbon for the rest of his life. Lets see how that turns out…
Well I don’t know what classic comics Joe Palermo is reading, but the “Republican Party” did everything in their chicken little power to submarine the candidacy of Donald Trump.
So the only way it might be said they caused this, is that the electorate were fed up to the gills with having the halls of Congress filled with these dead beats that they elected to get something done, and they all went to sleep for the duration of the Obama scorched earth program.
Sorry Joe but the people caused this; not those clowns in the Republican establishment. They better shape up, or they will be shipping out in 2018.
G
Agreed. Trump had to battle the Republican elites the whole way and it is not over yet. The Republicans will not be his best friends over this next 4 years.
Mark, it’s time for both parties to get back to fundamentals and quit trying to interpret a capitalist inspired system in a socialist perspective. The Neo’s and the Prog’s need to be reeducated.
It is simply astonishing that this polysci character is so stuffed with blind self importance.
e.g.
I, Professor Joe Palermo hate the First Amendment and I especially despise people who use the First Amendment to speak their minds and the truths about science.
I, Professor Joe Palermo want Trump punished for using his First Amendment rights!
To that end, Trump should be denied Twitter, a technology based in and built upon fossil fuels.
Twitter and other modern sciences/technology should be reserved for elites like me, who believe the one environmental religion and faithfully follow the dictums of the invisible minority known as “the consensus”.
I, Professor Joe Palermo despise the First Amendment and other rights that gives common people the insouciance to question their betters regarding personal rights and proper intolerant government by us elites.
Do not worry, as Professor, historian and author, I am teaching your children all about government.
Yeah, he’s a polysci teacher and future despot. I hope he gets some serious help soon; maybe lewserandownsky?
Also, Professor Palermo should not be able to use cars, heaters, air conditioners, plastic products, etc., because they are produced by, with or out of evil products……..
The real crime here is Professor Palermo being a Professor, when he is a hack poisoning the minds of students.
+1000
Yet another illiberal un-democrat.
Joseph Palermo
Professor
PhD, Cornell University (1998)
Specialization: U.S., twentieth-century politics
Anyone want to bet that Prof. Palermo of U.S. 20th century politics buys into the lie that President Truman authorized A-bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki merely for cynical and callous Cold War reasons?
Somebody ought to inform him that his thoughts/beliefs are “So Last Century”
Professors are vermin.
“I’ve always believed that people who dismiss science in one area shouldn’t be able to benefit from science in others”
Obviously he was talking about Gore, DiCaprio. the IPCC, Paris Agreement, China, India, all the “developing” countries, etc etc
Well this is the 21st Century. nobody cares about 20th Century politics any more.
G
So he should know about Joe McCarthy then.
First, I admit that I am a “lukewarmer,” who believes that the tangible pollution in Asia and many population areas of the world (see recent satellite photos) needs to be addressed by the international community.” Along with economic development, there is a pressing need to eliminate poverty induced inefficient use of energy and natural resources, such as forests, wood chips and cow dung.
I don’t think that we can afford to allow alarmism to misallocate investments and human capital.
Someone has to rewrite 20th century history in order to re-educate all of us deplorable.
Lats…Specialization: U.S., twentieth-century politics…
What are the odds that this …US 20th Century politics specialist is still tipping Tom Dewey over Truman.
And what are the odds that this specialist in US politics got it dead right and declared The Donald over the line.
Those 60 million voters that gave The Donald well over the 270 electoral college votes had nothing to do with the result. It was all that support and aid…albeit adulation… given by The Republican Establishment that done us all wrong.
That and The American Democracy System…As Usual.
Oh! Nearly Forgot. Hillary won the Popular Vote. And is the Queen of all The Future Proms to be held in the USA. Forever. So There.
That Tom Dewey was the bestest ever Prez of The USA.
AcademiksROOLZ!
I think that anyone who thinks we should restrict, tax, cap-and-trade, or otherwise reduce the use of oil should be banned from using oil or any evil oily products like plastic …
w.
+ lots and lots
+ lots more
http://philinter.com/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/05/HIT-THE-NAIL-ON-THE-HEAD.jpg
and then some.
I’d suggest that they not be allowed to purchase anything at a store that was transported using oil.
Not just oil, but any molecule containing carbon. Let’s be purists about this.
You are actually requiring Professor Palermo to just “cease to be,” which I’m okay with at this point, since he’s apparently already lacking cognitive function.
Or things that depend on oil, like the food in a grocery store.
Best analogy yet!
Exactly my thought right off the bat. Live by your principles. Park the car, disconnect from the grid and go it the all-renewable way.
Having lost the election the good professor fears losing the argument. Nothing succeeds like success. We have had three decades of ‘guidance’ by the four horsemen of the eco-apocalypse (WWF, FOE, Greenpeace and OXFAM). Now we may have two or three years of counter-management of the biggest boondoggle in history outside WWar.
Professor-physician, heal thyself. Show us the way. We who cleaned up the environment over the past 40 years will clean up the chaos that has invaded science in the past 20. There is an empty cabin somewhere in the woods looking for a hewer of wood and drawer of water. You clean that up, we’ll deal with the rest.
Ted Kaczynskis is available
Nor any carbon containing substances such as food.
After all they would not want top be hypocrites.
oops fat fingered to into top
Eating the CO2 Producing food is OK so plenty of Animal Protein but nothing that Sinks Carbon because hurting the Carbon Sink is bad so no veggies. And no fire to cook it because burning releases CO2 So Lots of RAW MEAT and no Veggies
And I would expect them to refuse any medical treatment that was developed or enhanced with the use of carbon-based technologies.
Hear hear. Lead by example. Practice what you preach. Show the great unwashed the proper way forward. Walk the walk. Carry the flag!
Cube…Show the great unwashed the proper way forward. Walk the walk. Carry the flag!
If all the academics and Luvvies switch off their showers abd Bathrooms from The Traditional Grid it would be The Great Unwashed getting lectured by…The Even Greater Unwashed.
Can we ask them to live it like they lecture it and act as if they actually believe in it.
Yes. We Can.
No. They Won’t.
Good point, the deal should go both ways.
+10^3
The Dems’ #1 issue is protecting a woman’s right-to-choose, which rejects the scientific determination of when life begins.
One of the Dems current and recent top issues is the rejection of science on the very definition of gender.
But it is the GOP that rejects science?
Seriously, can we please keep reproductive and gender politics off WUWT? Sir, I disagree with you on one, and probably more or less agree with you on the other – neither of which has anything to do with science, global warming or climate change.
Smart Rock,
Professor Palermo has advanced a principle that one’s attitude toward a particular area of science should affect his relation to other areas. Seems to me legitimate for Michael to point out by example that Palermo’s principle generalizes poorly.
“Professor Palermo has advanced a principle that one’s attitude toward a particular area of science should affect his relation to other areas. Seems to me legitimate for Michael to point out by example that Palermo’s principle generalizes poorly.”
If that’s the case, Roy Spencer’s creationist beliefs have bearing on his scientific credentials. It goes both ways.
Michael, I agree. Let’s keep things on-topic.
Besides, abortion and gender are social issues. The scientific side (life is continuous and sex exists) is unquestioned by both parties outside of the extreme margins. The social side (about when you should be allowed to abort a fetus and the social psychology of gender norms) are quite frankly, outside the purview of this message board.
Don’t conflate social issues with scientific ones. You end up answering the wrong question. That’s sort of Ignorantio Elenchi falacy is the cause of a lot of our biggest headaches.
Yes, let’s keep things on topic. No more of that discussion.
“Laugh-a while you can, monkey boy.”
one of my favorite movies, thanks
Once again we see that environmentalists are not humanists.
“Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.
Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion …
Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
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Hypocrits.
“It can’t happen here” is always wrong: a dictatorship can happen anywhere.”
― Karl Popper, Unended Quest: An Intellectual Autobiography
I can’t help wondering when the fire and brimstone of this clash between the climate belief systems will enter into a more constructive period? Whatever happened to the gentility of the loyal opposition
debate?
“Whatever happened to the gentility of the loyal opposition
debate?”
We are talking about delusional Leftists here. Delusional Leftists don’t do “gentle”. They have no viable policies to offer, so their only weapon is their nasty mouths, and that’s what they use. They are convinced conservatives are the Devil, so don’t expect civility from them.
Delusional leftists are all firmly convinced that they are smarter, better educated, and better informed than all us deplorable flyovers. They don’t need to explain themselves, we should all recognize when we are in the presence of our betters and knuckle our foreheads, bow our heads, bend our knees, and do as we are told. As TA said above, they are delusional.
However, that doesn’t excuse us from being civil. Name calling or self-righteousness isn’t an argument. From either side of this discussion.
This proposition presupposes that that Alarmists would be prepared to listen & debate the issues coherently, dispassionately, and according to Scientific Principles. Having stopped calling us “Deniers” and “Cranks”, and called-off those who would restrict our liberties, and started taking our arguments seriously, the “constructive period” may have a chance of evolving. My guess is that this have to wait until pigs can fly.
Eric, very well stated.
And our good friends in the Mainstream Media here in the U.S and elsewhere — but most recently PBS News Hour on TV in the US, need also to stop buying into (or “hoping against hope”), there is some magic cure to our dependence on fossil fuels. Witness a piece they ran last night, which they have since deleted from their web site, because it was so embarrassing. A Greek retired “professor of physics” invented a way to get energy out of water, by dissociating the Hydrogen from the Oxygen using “vibrations” which the show liked to the trumpets bringing down the walls of Jericho (in Biblical Times).
I saw it myself live last night, and was amazed they ran it.
Related content can be found here: http://www.off-grid.net/power-tap-water/
Their normal link to the show (now missing this the segment on power from tap water) can be found here
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/episode/pbs-newshour-full-episode-dec-27-2016/
… with several comments still on the blog section of that page about their idiocy, and asking why they are they trying hide their mistake now.
oops 🙂
Meanwhile, the 2013 PBS story reporting that 90% of Greenland’s ice mass thawed in July 2012 remains on their web site.
The reason broadcast journalism gets so little respect is that they deserve so little respect. PBS NewsHour is widely considered to be America’s leading television news team. So, when they needed to hire a “Reporter/Producer on Science and Climate Change,” do you think they looked for a scientist, or maybe a dual-major science & journalism grad?
Of course not. Competence is not one of the job requirements.
Instead, they hired a young, pretty, feminist film criticism major, fresh out of college. Her senior honors thesis at UNL was entitled, “Unzipping Gender.” She’s a perfect conduit for every nonsensical climate scare that comes down the pike, and she was the author of that story reporting that 90% of Greenland’s ice mass had thawed.
But she’s obviously not the only innumerate member of the PBS NewsHour Team. They are all that bad. No one there knows enough about science even to question a “free energy from water” hoax, or the claim that 90% of the Greenland Ice Sheet had just melted.
No wonder they all believe in CAGW.
Oh, BTW, you can read more about her in a PBS article entitled, “The stories behind 23 STEM superstars.”
Yep, that’s right. What does it take to be a “STEM Superstar” at PBS NewsHour? A Bachelor’s degree in feminist film criticism, a senior honors thesis entitled, “Unzipping Gender.”
That PBS show needs to be covered here on a dedicated thread. They’ve been caught trying to cover up the fact that they disseminated disinformation. Their qualifications to comment on climate change? None.
How hard do you have to wiggle a water molecule to make it fall apart? Where does the energy for all that jiggling come from?
You could do it with UV light with a wavelength of ~125nm.
Cube…hello again…Do you think Mr Watts will give me just a little license about…How hard do you have to wiggle a water molecule to make it fall apart?
I have something I like to wiggle…Lots and lots of us do. And mine has not yet fallen apart.
Has anyone had theirs fall apart?
I think PBS has been caught wiggling in a public place. And I think they have wiggled so much in public that all their wiggly things have fallen apart.
Normally they would just tell President Obama and he would get one of his fiercely independent public officials to send them some free money that grows on Trees out back of the White House. To fix the problem,or better still, buy then as many new wiggly things as they want as only Fascists and Neanderthals do not accept the right of our Bureaucrats to Wiggle furiously and whenever they like.
Unfortunately…Tragically…President Elect Trump and all the biased and bribed officials he is keen to appoint have gone on record that as soon as they get control of all the Free Money Trees this Frenzied Wiggling Orgy at public expense will be no longer.
This New President and his band of bought bureaucrats are Blind to all the benefits of Wiggling.
Private or Public.
Re. the PBS item on “Power from Tap-water”, Thin Air wrote:
“… with several comments still on the blog section of that page about their idiocy, and asking why they are they trying hide their mistake now.”
What was their mistake? To have reported (in an abysmally poor fashion, admittedly) on an invention which they should have known is impossible because it breaks the First Law of thermodynamics? That is what the derisory comments at the linked web-site appear to be suggesting.
But when did the First law of thermodynamics become an insuperable law of the universe? Conventional physics has already accepted, decades ago, that parts of the universe may exist in which the known laws of physics do not necessarily apply. They are called “singularities”. Black holes and fundamental particles are perhaps the two best-known examples of singularities at present, but there is no prohibition in science against people discovering or creating more of them. Who is to say that Petros Zografos has not created a novel singularity in his invention whereby the normal constraints of the First law of thermodynamics have been overcome? Even the “extremely skeptical” expert from the Niels Bohr Institute, Jacob Trier Frederiksen, didn’t say that.
Science and technical invention progress by subjecting proposed ideas to critical real-world testing and seeing which ideas pass the tests and which ones don’t, not by prejudging them by the preconceived standard of what scientific knowledge we think we already possess, i.e. the First law of thermodynamics in this case. Zografos’s power-from-tap-water generator has not been critically tested yet, so it would be premature to declare it to be false. I think we should reserve judgment until the due process of science has run its course.
As it happens, there are well-established scientific reasons for thinking that Zografos’s generator might possibly work, the First law of thermodynamics notwithstanding. Of course, it could not possibly work if it was simply splitting water molecules and then re-assembling them again without drawing on any external source of power to do the initial splitting; that would be a violation of the First law. But suppose he has found a way to draw power from the all-pervading quantum vacuum via the appropriate resonant vibration-frequencies of the water-molecule. In that case his device could work without violating the First law because it would be drawing on an external source of power. Then the water molecules would appear to be splitting spontaneously without drawing power from any observable source and producing a net energy-surplus above that required to run the machine when the constituent hydrogen and oxygen atoms are recombined.
In conclusion, it is evident that conventional science allows that Zografos’s idea might be viable and it needs to be tested thoroughly before we can decide whether it is or not. To make the decision at this stage would pre-empt the necessary science, not apply it.
Band Trump from Twitter? Trump would love that.
Trump won’t be banned from Twitter. That this guy suggests its possible shows how detached from reality he is.
Twitter might go out of business though, if they keep censoring conservative speech.
If they do, Trump can switch over to Facebook, or maybe even breath new life into the completely free Usenet, where anyone can say anything they want, and people who don’t like it can say anything *they* want back.
Trump could start up a moderated Usenet newsgroup which would keep out the trolls, and he could get his message out to everyone who wants to see it. Everyone can get access to Usenet, even if you don’t have any money. There are free servers available for Usenet text groups, and most people’s ISP’s give you free access.
Long live the Internet!!!
The commentary is delicious, especially for Huffpo. People are seeing through he smokescreens,…
“Joseph A. Palermo
Professor, historian, author”
…and complete and utter twat!
I will reject the idea that someone’s rantings who is arrogant and stupid makes him the arbiter of good science. This idiot lives in California, which is governed by party of one intention only.. to control the lives of all who live in the state. I would question Mr Palermo’s judgement of that alone.
The “Trump catastrophe”? He isn’t even President yet. Sort of like reviewing a book without reading it.
And “[t]he oil, coal, and gas companies use the same scientific methodology [sic] to extract resources that climate scientists use to confirm the planetary disaster that awaits us.” Can anyone decode this and tell me what “scientific methodology [sic]” the oil/gas/coal companies use in extraction that is in any way the same as the “science” used by the “climate scientists”?
No
Fortunately the oil, coal, gas companies do not use the same “scientific methodology” as the CAGW “scientists” otherwise they would go bankrupt using fake data and drilling more dry holes.
Arithmetic?
Ban
Anti-democracy.
Its hardly down to the Republicans that Trump is President elect, they ran what, 15 candidates against him FFS!. Trump’s victory is down to idiots like Palermo and the utter lack of cross examination by the MSM of the drivel they utter as well as a brainless, arrogant and dismissive campaign by Clinton.
It is Palermo and his arrogant, empty headed ilk who are the true deplorables.
Now, now, I wear my “Deplorable” badge with honor, please don’t go disparaging it. I think the word you are looking for is despicable.
PhilR,
you are so correct and I most humbly withdraw ‘deplorable’ and replace it with ‘despicable’.
Anthony,
what chance WUWT starts selling “I AM DEPLORABLE” / “JE SUIS DEPLORABLE”
badges? I good for a box full and I am sure they would be a huge hit right around the world.
M Seward
Again, the ONLY reason Trump won was the 2% of Democrats that Couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary. The Democrats elected Trump by not voting their candidate
Perhaps that was from running an unelectable candidate in the first place.
I was ‘Deplorable’ before deplorable was cool….
……..it’s a religion of peace
But….But….But…..This man denies climate scepticism! How dare he use science to propagate his evil message!
When the planet doesn’t overheat, when hurricanes and typhoons aren’t sweeping every continent daily, when droughts and sea levels don’t simultaneously starve and drown us, I want this man to be held responsible for our children’s future. I want him to explain to them why he condoned the gross waste of their money on a fruitless, scientifically moribund quest for the holy grail of the grim reaper, and the right to lord it over peasants and say “I Told You So”.
Simplistic, genetically deficient, scientifically ignorant, sheepy Muppet!
So funny how leftists hate “corporations” and anything big like big pharma, but then they want big government to rule us all.
Willis,
Brilliant reply.
The flaw in his argument is assuming that “the science of climate change” is normal science.
Well if Post Modern Art is still art, then Post Modern Science can still be called science, albeit loosely
Does he own a car?
@rogerthesurf: Yup. Exactly what I keep thinking every time individuals like Palermo open their big mouths and says thing like this. This is coming from someone who probably contributes his fair share of CO2 emissions to the global annual total unless he lives his life free from demand for fossil fuels.
In the absence of divestment of demand for fossil fuels from their own lives (and proof of it), this always leaves me wondering how many fossil fuel bashers/demonizers really understand the level of hypocrisy they are demonstrating and how foolish it makes them look. I have little doubt that many of them probably don’t fully realize what will happen to their standard of living and quality of life if they were to eliminate the demand for fossil fuels from and terminate their fossil fuel CO2 emission in their lives.
It’s about time that people in high places (like Trump) speak up and make the whole country aware of the hypocrisy of these people and issue them a challenge to divest their lives of that demand. Demanding a premature end to the fossil fuels era when the alternative technologies are not yet in place (except for nuclear) is doing things bass ackwards.
Be careful of what you ask for—you just might get it. And don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
Probably a Toyota Pius.
Even with a Prius which still uses some petrol/gasoline fuel, consider the amount of fossil hydrocarbons that were used in the manufacture (plastics, rubber, lubricants, etc) of and will be used in the continued maintenance of said car…
Interesting thought. Actually I have never understood the rationale of the Toyota Prius. It seems unlikely, considering the extra kit the car has to be loaded with, that the fuel economy can be significantly increased.
I think they are expensive dogs.
But as current opinions show, such a vehicle is probably politically acceptable.
Well, if Trump shouldn’t use the products of science, then people like Palermo shouldn’t use the products of fossil fuels that they hate so much.
Also, the word he is looking for is “dissembling”, not “disassembling”. If you’re going to talk rot, you should at least spell your drivel correctly.
A typical Left-wing nut in full flow. Anyone who holds a different opinion to theirs should be barred / silenced / oppressed / imprisoned / shot / thrown to the dogs / executed. Delete as appropriate. #nutters
If Trump and his cohort believe the science of global warming is bogus then they shouldn’t be allowed to use…
To what authority does Professor Palermo appeal? Is there some sort of shadow government that he is speaking to? If not, then might I conclude he is proposing armed insurrection? Or perhaps something more mundane like Barking Mad Obama refusing to turn over the reign’s of power?
My own view is that if Palermo and his cohorts believe in the catastrophe of CO2, then they shouldn’t be allowed (by their own choice) to use it. Sorry Professor Palermo, you’ll have to give up your car and you can’t use public transportation either. You’ll have to walk. You can only buy food that is locally produced close enough to you that you can forage nearly every day since you won’t be able to use a fridge or freezer. Oh, and you’ll have to eat it raw since you can’t cook it. If you contract a food born disease you’ll have to recover on your own, or die. No heating for your home when it is cold, no air conditioning when it is hot. Ooops, you won’t have a home either, nearly forgot you’d have to give that up. You’ll have to do with whatever natural shelter you can find, hope there’s a cave within walking distance of you. Walking distance will be quite short since you’ll be bare foot.
Oh, and blaming Big Banks for supporting Trump? LOL. I thought professors of history were supposed to teach history. Turns out I was wrong, they’re allowed to write it?
“Sorry Professor Palermo, you’ll have to give up your car and you can’t use public transportation either. You’ll have to walk.”
Yeah, if the alarmists really believe putting CO2 in the atmosphere is an existential threat to human life on planet Earth, then it should be easy for them to give up the things in their personal life that generate CO2.
The Left should start a “Minimalist” movement where they all agree to forego creating any more CO2 (with the exception of breathing, they should be allowed that), and then we can see just how serious the average American is about CO2, by counting the number of people who join the Minimalist Movement.
Give it up, Left (the CO2, I mean)! Put you money where your mouths are. Join the movement. Show us how it’s done.
Breathing is OK but they must wear CO2 Capture and Storage rebreather equipment
Bryan A:
This is a beautifully funny construct, for which I thank you!
At 40,000 ppm CO2 exhalation, the next step in The Absurd will be that we *all* have to buy offsetting CarbonCredits!
But then they should also wear H2S capture and storage equipment.
If the good Professor believes denial of science is sufficient reason to be forbidden the fruits of science then it is he and his similar thinking brethren who should be denied those benefits. The science tells us exactly what Trump is saying – CO2 is not the primary driver of global temperature and climate. All the evidence tells us that, and any objective scientist, myself included, can see that with little effort. Denial of science is when you ignore all objective evidence and try to pretend the real world is what happens in a rigged computer fairyland model, a model that consistently makes predictions that the real world refutes.
As for blaming the Republican party for the election of Trump, if it is blame it must be blame for failure, as it would seem the vast majority of the republican party did everything they could to prevent his election. What about the blame for Democrats who ignored a large part of the American public, or Clinton who treated those who supported her opponent as totally irrelevant. Lets not forget it isn’t just Trump that was elected (and by a landslide under the rules of the Electoral College), but a raft of state and federal leaders on the Republican side.
Maybe it is just me but when a voting public decide overwhelmingly they they want change, get out and vote for the change and successfully elect leaders who promise to bring that change, I can’t see why blame is even a concern – that is the success we expect and deserve from democracy.
No one knows for certain what a Trump presidency will bring, but if he fulfills his stated intention to dismantle a lot of the burdensome, massively expensive and frankly useless regulation put in place by a slew of government agencies and the UN over the past many decades, he will likely reinvigorate American and other Western economies, allowing the world as a whole to prosper. Nations with the highest numbers of citizens living in privation will once again jump on the path to human development and economic success as they throw off the imposed shackles of international welfare and industrial restraint that the UN and World Bank see fit to impose.
Maybe Trump doesn’t have the smarmy charm and school boy looks of Obama or my own country’s playboy Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, but electors don’t need a bubble-headed fashion model, they need good policy. Virtue, wisdom and strength are not fashion labels.
Amen to that!
He is free to think that way because we don’t live in the Totalitarian society that he is advocating. The thought police will take away your pacemaker because you are a bad citizen.
It is interesting that someone this fascist reaches the position of Professor at University. Of course the entire left would love Trump to be banned from twitter, because he has been so dextrous using it.
Twitter and the blogosphere have been partial antidotes to all the fake news rained upon us by the MSM over the last 15 years, and the left hates that they no longer have control. Look out for further attempts to get him banned from media of this type.
Apparently, quoting Obama, “elections have consequences” is only acceptable in one direction.
“Disassembling”? From someone who claims to be educated and a professor?
https://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/disassemble-dissemble/
I have always believed people who misuse English in one area should not be allowed to benefit from its use in others.
I’m fixin’ to agree with you, pretty soon.
I think Climate Scientists and their deranged scheming, proved the tipping point for the electorate in favour of Brexit in the UK and Trump in the USA.
Those who oppose Trump and Brexit, generally support Climate Scientists and have forced taxpayers to support Climate Scientists lifestyles too.
It is important to give Climate Scientists the credit for achieving something.
Dear golf charlie:
I think you raise a good point.
The “deranged scheming”, Climate Scientists (per yr quote — thanx!) have completely over-played their hands in their ever-increasing, hysterical, “tipping-point”, apocalyptic visioning to advance their nefarious cause (sinecures & prestige for life!??) There comes a point where the Average Joe just doesn’t believe the B_S any more. Same with the Brexit-win; same with Trump’s.
The Brits have a lovely legal principle concerning the jury-system, which runs something like this: “Twelve (wo)men good & true …. what the average (wo)man on the Clapham omnibus would think”. [Pls improve/correct.] The Jury is now, case-by-case, coming IN!
In the end-result, excesses [of whatever] will be curtailed by the restitutional forces applied to the pendulum at extreme reach, and/or the revolutionary machetes wielded by the over-exploited masses (for which read taxpayers, freezing Grannies, etc.)
Gotta say this epistle from ivory tower land is absolutely the most idiotic in my experience.
As one of the folks who had the privilege of assisting in the implementation of the internet, I’ve told Joe to stop using it. He shouldn’t be any further problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
“…but no amount of disassembling and deflecting…”
I think he means ‘dissembling.’ They don’t teach much English at Cornell. –AGF
You can’t fix stupid. Instead of pausing to reflect, the Left is doubling down. They still don’t get it. I’m starting to wonder if they ever will.
I hope not. It is so entertaining watching them self destruct.
It would be entertaining if it didn’t have the potential to be so dangerous. Remember what PT Barnum is alleged to have said, “There’s a sucker born every minute.”
i think they will be more dangerous if they do get it than if they continue their current path of increaingly strident temper tantrums. Their current behavior is helping to convince the somnambulant masses that the left is full of soup. If they change to subtler tactics they will be harder to out.
But before he self-destructs, he will destroy the lives of a lot of students. Still too naive to recognize socialist bull when they hear it.
Reminds me of the Catholic Principle….. I’m not a Catholic, but the mantra was something life: “Get ’em brainwashed before 5[??] and THEY ARE OURS FOREVER!
This is how Brainwashing works …. Catholics forever; The Church of Alarmism too.
Quit wondering – they won’t.
But life in The Bubble is sooooo comforting.
“… that climate scientists use to confirm the planetary disaster that awaits us.”
So the planetary disaster has now been confirmed? I must have missed that scientific paper.
Ban PEOTUS Trump from Twitter? No way; he’d probably turn around and buy Twitter. It will be nice for a change to have President who can’t be bought.
by many accounts Twitter will likely be cheap….
I'[ll get my coat
I don’t think he could afford it.
Did I miss something here about the professor’s remarks about Donald Trump’s financial backing for his campaign? I thought Trump spent a fraction of Clinton’s money on the election. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the American people elected the president, not just the members of the Republican Party.
And where did Hilary’s money come from? Some questions about the dodgy sources and the promises made perhaps?
It seems the liberal elite only accepts democracy when it gives the “correct” result. And a refusal to accept the legitimacy of any dissenting viewpoint bodes ill for the future.
Moderately Cross,
You might want to rephrase part of your 1st paragraph immediately above.
I doubt that Donald Trump spent ANY of Clinton’s money on the election… which
is how you’ve structured the sentence.
I think you meant to say that compared to Hillary’s campaign, he only spent a fraction
of the amount she spent.
His Twitter-pated news flashes cost almost nothing… and didn’t involve a huge
advertising outlay.
Self-proclaimed Historian says:
“I’ve always believed that people who dismiss science in one area shouldn’t be able to benefit from science in others.”
Well, as an Official Graduate in Philosophy, I’ve always believed that wannabe Totalitarians and those who need Totalitarianism to decide for them how to live their lives should move out of America to places like North Korea or Iran. So there!
+ the number of stars in the Milky Way.
Let them eat crow.
Yes, ban the only person keeping Twitter alive. Sounds like a solid business plan.
Liberals and a “business Plan” I just about … my pants laughing when I read that !
“First off, let me be clear: The Republican Party bears responsibility for Donald Trump becoming the 45th President of the United States.”
What world does this professor live in, does he not know that the entire elite of the Republican party tried unsuccessfully to stop Trump and it was the people who put him where he is?
I knew there were a lot of left wing wacko’s in this country, but I did not realize there are so many and how mean spirited and undemocratic they actually are toward those who have even slightly different opinions.
Finally, just think how mean spirited and inconsiderate they would have been if they won the election and imposed all their beliefs and mandates on roughly half the population. Dread the thought.
“What world does this professor live in, does he not know that the entire elite of the Republican party tried unsuccessfully to stop Trump and it was the people who put him where he is?”
Bingo!
“First off, let me be clear: The Republican Party bears responsibility for Donald Trump becoming the 45th President of the United States.”
He acts like that is a bad thing. Only for him and the Left. 🙂
Republicans are happy to take on this responsibilty. The non-Leftist people of the U.S. and the world will thank them for it eventually.
In 24 days a new era will dawn. Get ready for a rollercoaster ride, as change is implemented. The Left will be in full attack mode. Of course, they have been in full attack mode for a while now, and what has that gotten them? Answer: Trump. Keep it up, guys.
In the meantime, how many more disasters will Obama create in the next 24 days? Answer: As many as he can.
After Obama leaves Office he is saying he is going to be active politically. Let’s see how many people listen to him after he has no power. To be ignored is probably the worst of fates to Obama. I’m going to do my part.
22 Days and a wake up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/g-elijah-dann/climate-change-science_b_13826198.html
I’m seeing more blogs like this in the last few weeks at Huff and Puff Post than I have in the last year. Looks like they are trying to corral all the true believers to be branded and marketed.
It’s very strange, but whenever I was doing complex heat transfer calculations, I would get another scientist to verify them for me. I don’t ever recall getting a whacky historian to check them over.
Sorry, it was the democrats that fueled Trump’s campaign and success.
Cramming stuff down our throats and up our posteriors for 8 years. Not working with republicans in Congress, demanding their way or no way.
Trump was simply the only one with the balls to say what everyone was feeling.
The career politician republicans were too afraid to rock the boat, didn’t want to chance losing all the perks they have come to love in Washington.
But since Trump wasn’t a politician, was an outsider, he had nothing to lose and everything to gain by being outspoken, venting the frustration so many have felt for so long.
But have the democrats learned? Apparently not. Instead of taking a good hard look at themselves they would rather try to silence the people that point out their faults.
“Sorry, it was the democrats that fueled Trump’s campaign and success.
Cramming stuff down our throats and up our posteriors for 8 years. Not working with republicans in Congress, demanding their way or no way.”
Yeah, I just love it when I hear Democrats and Obama complaining that Republicans fought Obama on everything he did. This is simply not true. The Repubicans gave Obama everything he wanted, while putting up pathetic, unsuccessful efforts to kill Obamacare for show, to make their constituents think they were doing something.
Meanwhile, the Republicans signed off on Obama adding $8 TRILLION dollars to the national debt in eight years, a figure that is more than all presidents before him combined.
Now that Trump is becoming president, watch all the congresscritters suddenly discover the budget deficit. You couldn’t get them to talk about it under Obama, but they will certainly be talking about it now.
That’s ok. If anyone can fix our budget problems, it is Trump, and we need to talk about it amongst ourselves, so I have no problem with Congress bringing the subject up as long as they remember it was they who foisted this huge debt on us to begin with. I can feel the hypocrisy bubbling up in the Congress now.
A strong economy and good fiscal condition is the first thing needed to assure national security. We can’t defend ourselves adequately if we are broke.
We have the best opportunity in my lifetime to turn our fiscal situation around if we can just get enough people on the same page. We know what needs to be done, so let’s do it.
What needs to be done = Trump’s plan.
His screed has provenance, and a bit of word substitution would probably have convicted Gallileo. Or Socrates. Oops. Did. Didn’t elect Gore, but the flock differs on that.
“…no amount of disassembling…? Professor, historian, author? All that and illiterate, too?
Eric,
“We don’t reject Sir Isaac Newton because he believed in Alchemy….”
Why would we? He intuited/anticipated fission and fusion, it seems to me . .
First off, let me be clear: Joseph A. Palermo is an idiot. His entire rant, devoid of logic, facts, or a smidgeon of truth is proof. There is no fool look an educated one.
” If Trump and his cohort believe the science of global warming is bogus then they shouldn’t be allowed to use the science of the Internet for their Twitter accounts, the science of global positioning for their drones, or the science of nuclear power for their weaponry.”
If people disagree with the benefits to mankind of coal fired power stations then they shouldn’t be allowed to use the electricty that these stations produce.
Fixed.
Yet another watermelon who’s promoting totalitarian censorship.
Who’d a thunk it?
Planetary disaster? Good grief these idiots make me sick.
We really should stop debating this. The intellectual integrity of the Western World is hopelessly compromised. Say what you will. Tell the truth if you can. The opposition will only call it propaganda and dismiss it. People have taken the attitude that its my way or the highway. There is nothing left but to drive the opposition, whatever it is, from any influence and power.
There is increasing evidence that the world is descending into a mini ice age after the Dalton and Maunder Minimums. Indeed, there may be follow through decades from now into a return to the deep cold of the Ice Age with the end of the current interglacial period. This argues we will need all the power we can get. Fossil, nuclear, or whatever.
It is possible this decision cannot be put off very much longer. Agriculture is very sensitive to small changes in temperature. Adjustments towards colder conditions will likely have to begin within a few years with follow through in succeeding decades as colder conditions manifest. This will require both a practical and a philosophical shift in viewpoint away from visions of an increasingly tropical Earth.
This kind of thing is the real reason wars are sometimes necessary. So regrettable, but sometimes decisions can not be put off longer and, good or bad, simply have to come from the muzzle of a gun.
Palermo blames the GOP for the fact that the next POTUS will be Donald Trump (whom Palermo despises), but that’s not entirely accurate.
Part of the blame also goes to the Democrats, who nominated what was probably the weakest ticket since McGovern/Eagleton. Against anyone except Trump, Clinton/Kaine would have had very little chance.
Part of the blame also goes to one or more particular, anonymous, Machiavellian Democrats at NBC, who tried to swing the election to Hillary, and ending up swinging it to Trump, instead.
It was a very dirty trick, and it almost worked. If NBC had leaked the Billy Bush tape before Trump clinched the nomination, we’d probably have had a different Republican nominee, who would have much more easily defeated Hillary. But, of course, that’s not what the NBC leakers wanted. So they waited, and sprang it as an October Surprise, to help Hillary.
But the scheme backfired. Withholding the story through the primaries helped Trump win the GOP nomination, as intended, but releasing it before the general election didn’t do quite enough damage to keep Trump from defeating Hillary.
I hope those weaselly schemers at NBC are miserable with guilt.
Anyhow, perhaps Trump will be okay. I was wrong about who would win the GOP nomination, and about who would win the general election. I pray that I will also prove to have been wrong about the quality of Mr. Trump’s leadership. The fact that Palermo also expects Trump to be a lousy President is encouraging to me, because Palermo is wrong about pretty much everything.
It won’t take too much to please me, because I have low expectations. I’m not hoping for Trump to be a great leader. In general, I don’t ever hope for politicians to be great. When it comes to politicians, I’ve adopted the physicians’ motto: “First, do no harm.”
If a politician surprises me and actually does some good, that’s an unexpected bonus. I’ll be more than satisfied if Trump just does no harm. E.g., I really hope he doesn’t start a trade war.
“I really hope he doesn’t start a trade war.”
The U.S. is already in a trade war with a number of nations. They are kicking our butts and taking our money and jobs, and our current leadership acts like it is not even happening.
I want Trump to change this and renegotiate these international deals so they at least favor the U.S. as much as the other nation. What’s fair about China getting a $400 billion advantage over the U.S. in trade every year?
To be fair, the U.S. should be selling as many goods to China as China is selling to the U.S.
Btw, China needs the U.S. market a whole lot more than the U.S. needs the Chinese market. Seventy-five percent of U.S. GDP is generated within the U.S., no outside entity required. Not so with China.
China will lose any actual trade war that begins. I doubt one will, unless China and others absolutely refuse to renegotiate, and then what other choice do we have but to force the issue?
I think other nations, especially China, will make a lot of noise, and then will make a deal. They have no choice in the end. And now they are dealing with Trump who has already shown that it is not going to be business as usual, and if the other nations believe he is serious, then they will make deals. I don’t see how they can’t take him seriously. They better.
TA wrote, “China will lose any actual trade war…”
You’re right, they will. And so will we. And so will the entire world.
I don’t think that you appreciate the extent to which the world’s economies are now interconnected and dependent upon one another. Virtually everything we produce, everything we consume, everything we eat, everything we use, is dependent upon international trade. And by “we” I mean almost all of the human race.
This is new. In all of human history, it has never happened before. Not even close.
If something were to stop those giant container ships from plying the oceans, the resulting collapse would make the Great Depression look like a garden party.
“I don’t think that you appreciate the extent to which the world’s economies are now interconnected and dependent upon one another. Virtually everything we produce, everything we consume, everything we eat, everything we use, is dependent upon international trade.”
Well, as I said, the U.S. generates most of its GDP internally, and the two biggest trading partners of the U.S. are Canada and Mexico, so the U.S. is in a lot better position than just about any other nation when it comes to traden or trade wars.
I think you should expect some tough talk from Trump on trade. He’s not going to settle for the current status quo, and he should not. The current status quo is unfair to the U.S. and that needs to change whatever it takes. Some people are naturally not going to like giving up their advantages. That’s too bad. We don’t like being taken advantage of.
Almost all the GDP we generate internally is dependent upon something from overseas. Look around you: what do you see that has no essential components from overseas?
Are you thinking, “that sack of potatoes?” Well, how did it get to you? How did those potatoes get harvested and washed? What equipment was used, that you think could run without components from overseas? Which trucks and trains and traffic lights and tractors and refineries and computers and power plants do you think could run without components from overseas?
Nobody in the world is in a good position to engage in trade wars. Not anymore.
“I hope those weaselly schemers at NBC are miserable with guilt.”
Guilt is not in the vocabulary of the truly evil. No, they’ve retreated into their bubble, circled the wagons, and are now enjoying each other’s company.
With apologies for any repetition:
For the record, Wikipedia says:
“Dr Joseph A. Palermo (born 1959) is an Associate Professor of History at Sacramento State University, an author and a commentator.
He received his undergraduate degree in Sociology and Anthropology from UC Santa Cruz, a Master’s degree in History from San Jose State University and a Master’s and Doctorate in American History from Cornell University.[citation needed] For four years after receiving his doctorate he taught at both Cornell and Colgate University.[citation needed] Since 2002 he has been teaching classes on the 1960s, the Vietnam War, foreign relations, historiography, and the history and politics of the 20th century at Sacramento State University in Sacramento, California.[citation needed]
Palermo makes frequent contributions to the Huffington Post and the LA Progressive, an online social justice magazine. His articles have been primarily liberal in outlook ………”
What does *he* know about Climate Science??????????????
Palmero is a self-identified SJW, social Justice Warrior…or as normal people call it, he is a pathetic wack job.
Absolutely nothing. He’s a self appointed expert on Climate science…as are most of the CAGW cult of malcontents.
Gosh. A progressive going control-freak. Who would have believed it? You’d think that was their primary character trait.
Progressives are communists without guns. Give them guns (or the ability to force people to do things only guns would allow) and they’re full-fledged communists.
As yet, unless the professor has crystal balls, it’s not a catastrophe. As for the ‘forces’ that produced Trump, they were what we lower forms of life call democracy. Oh, and the fact that HRC was deplorably criminal in her dealings helped to ensure that democracy worked. The rest we should leave to history, professor hypocrite.
Professor Palermo is a GMO conspiracy theorist:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joseph-a-palermo/frankenfish-wins-fda-appr_b_8911892.html
You could have put money on it.
But the science Palermo says created Twitter was REAL science (plus technology, not to forget). Climate “science” on the other hand is really only theories – or am I mistaken?
Best not to lump these in with real theories, like gravity, relativity etc. Hypotheses at best. More like conjectures, really, or even wishes.
“the Trump catastrophe” ?? He’s not even “in” yet!
Is this a bit like the CAGW catastrophe … which is yet to happen, if ever?
He shows his true colours too early.
Dear Prof. Palermo,
You are wrong about the Republican party being responsible for electing Pres. Elect Trump. They fought him every step of the way until it became clear that he would be the nominee.
You are also wrong in accusing Trump of being a science denier. Your education has clearly left out a course on crital thinking. But relying on doctored data to support your views on climate issues shows a level of intellectual laziness unbecoming of a.professor. do some homework. You will find that.the deniers.object to phony science.
but you want to deny his free speech by denting him technology?
Professor Palermo, what a pathetic proposition. What history do you teach? It was not the Republicans who elected Trump, it was 60 million + Americans who have had enough of the laughable leftists like you. Perhaps you need to go back to your books and study some more history.
History of the imagined future…
No, we don’t do these things.
But Palmero and his like-minded would like to, but for that pesky thing here in the US called the Bill of Rights.
Science has little if anything to do with the politics of global warming. Palmero is yet another example of how educated people can be really, really stupid.
Or really ignorant and not know it.
America, this idiot is a PROFESSOR? What on earth is happening to your great country? He really is a college professor? Unbelievable stuff- I know 12-year-olds who could explain him to the trapdoor in his ‘logic ‘. His comments are a humiliation for him and his university.
But lets be honest here… Trump knows nothing of the science of climate change. I mean nothing that the average man in the street wouldn’t know. He really has said very little on the subject except a couple of dumb arse things (invented by the Chinese etc), so it is going to be very interesting to see if he does listen to the people in the science community who advise him. Or maybe he will take the advice of the newcomers to his team who see the dollar as the all important driver of decisions.
Re Simon:
” Trump knows nothing of the science of climate change”
Agreed. Hopefully he will look into it with the right people – and not get gored.
Remember Obama knows even less. The we have Trudeau who with his lawyer Minister of Environment became experts in one month taking double the number of party goers to Paris as did the USA. Then they have the gall to make a motion to lower the critical number from 2 deg to 1.5 deg when they did not check that the 2 deg was pulled out of thin air.
“Remember Obama knows even less”
I doubt that is true, in fact I am sure it is not, but even if it was, at least Obama listens and takes advice from people who do know what they are talking about.
Re Simon:
“Remember Obama knows even less”
**I doubt that is true, in fact I am sure it is not, but even if it was, at least Obama listens and takes advice from people who do know what they are talking about.**
Really? Where did you get that from?
Is that why he repeats the 97% fiction line?
Who advised Obama to sign the fictitious agreement with China that does not require China to do anything until 2030 while adding coal fired power plant every two weeks?
Dr Spencer presented to the Senate, but not at Obama’s invitation.
Why is Obama set on shutting down coal plants in the USA which are now cleaner?
Gerald
“Who advised Obama to sign the fictitious agreement with China that does not require China to do anything until 2030 while adding coal fired power plant every two weeks?”
I’d say probably the very qualified people who wrote this….
http://climate.nasa.gov/
“Why is Obama set on shutting down coal plants in the USA which are now cleaner?”
There is no such thing as clean coal. Like saying soft bricks.
Which raises thje Interesting Point as to how best the Skeptic Community shd advance their cause?
What, fellow readers, wd be *your* Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump (starting with Anthony, of course!!)
To get the ball rolling, I’d nominate:
2. Nigel Lawson (Lord Blaby) and his select team of Global Warming Policy Fdn experts.
3. All the Climate Scientists who have been vilified, marginalized and impoverished due to the strong-arm tactics of the Alarmist Mafiosi (as witnessed in the ClimateGate emails, for example).
4. Star B_S Busters such as M&M and their equivalents in the Statistical demolition of the Mannipulated proposition (Prof. W[????] Pls stand fwd., Sir!)
5. Over to you experts in the field … let’s hear it for the Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump.
Here is a letter to the editor in the Winnipeg Free Press in September, 2016. Same mentality as the professor:
***It is always disappointing to come across an article written by Tom Harris, the climate change denier who makes a living (and a good one at that) presenting false climate science on the oil industry’s dime.
I think it is deeply irresponsible for the Winnipeg Free Press to publish Harris’s work, adding confusion and misinformation to a global problem that desperately needs resolving. Would the Free Press publish an opinion piece from someone claiming the moon is made of cheese or atoms are figments of our imaginations?
The Free Press should be engaging communities and telling the ongoing stories of climate change and how it is already affecting people across Canada and the rest of the world. Be part of the solution or move out of the way.
Ryan Smith
Climate change researcher,
Prairie Climate Centre, University of Winnipeg***
He’s an historian, what do you expect?
I would expect him to know about previous warm periods. Periods when civilization flourished.
I am old enough to remember the days when it was accepted as given that a “professor” had an IQ bigger than his shoe size, and anything he said was worth, at least, listening to.
Now?
As soon as someone is identified as a “professor” or faculty member of one of our institutes of indoctrination, I know it is time to go make another coffee; or re-arrange the fridge magnets. Or anything else.
Saves a lot of time.
A lot of thoughtful people that I know, and myself as well, did not think a whole lot about Trump, but we felt that he had to be better than the horrible status quo candidate, Hillary. We were all very wary immediately after the election, waiting for him to prove himself.
But this constant liberal freak-out, this completely deranged non-stop frothing at the mouth, is driving all of us who weren’t sure at first more strongly into Donald Trump’s camp than we ever thought we could be.
The Donald Thanks You, Professor Palermo!!!
Palermo is a history professor. How credible is he on climate change?
John Francis
About as good as psychologist Lewandowski’s.
Which is to say meaningless to skeptics and holy grail to warmists.
Which raises thje Interesting Point as to how best the Skeptic Community shd advance their cause?
What, fellow readers, wd be *your* Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump (starting with Anthony, of course!!)
To get the ball rolling, I’d nominate:
2. Nigel Lawson (Lord Blaby) and his select team of Global Warming Policy Fdn experts.
3. All the Climate Scientists who have been vilified, marginalized and impoverished due to the strong-arm tactics of the Alarmist Mafiosi (as witnessed in the ClimateGate emails, for example).
4. Star B_S Busters such as M&M and their equivalents in the Statistical demolition of the Mannipulated proposition (Prof. W[????] Pls stand fwd., Sir!)
5. Over to you experts in the field … let’s hear it for the Dream-Team of “Skeptical Climate Change Advisors” to Trump.
Now that Twitter has at least two direct competitors that don’t filter content (gab.ai and sealion.club), I’d like to see everyone except the snowflakes of the left abandon Twitter and migrate to those. Certainly anyone who is conservative or libertarian will be helping his cause by doing so.
‘The oil, coal, and gas companies use the same scientific methodology to extract resources that climate scientists use to confirm the planetary disaster that awaits us.’
Any idea how many dry holes are drilled using that same scientific methodology? I wouldn’t use that comparison if I were trying to convince someone my science was accurate.
” while Trump’s donors from Big Ag, Big Banks, and Big …..” Sorry Palermo, you mistake Trump for Hillary.
Why are all these kinda guys old, bald, probably single, vindictive, and cranky?
Maybe they should all be in an educational video? Oh wait…..
I dunno…we might be missing something in Prof Palermo’s approach – it just needs to be fleshed out a little more.
1) we ban free speech on Twitter for skeptics (aka: deprive them of science)
IF AND ONLY IF
2) we ban warmists from eating food (aka: the benefits of CO2)
Professor Palermo as a progressive undoubtedly calls for a diversity. His diversity includes Rohingya people of Myanmar and Malgassy people of Madagascar, but not Trump voters of Ohio, Pennsylvania, or Lassen County, California. Professor Palermo: What was the last time you traveled to Northern California?
Prof Palermo has spent his career intimidating 18 & 19 year-old kids (aka: students) who are dependent on him for a grade. He does this at Sacramento State University – not exactly 1st tier.
Wonder if he’s ever considered picking on someone his own size?
Since I am already banned from tweeter criticism on the basis of ad hoc digital censorship, does it matter?
Palermo is a “…Professor, historian, author…” says his university profile.
All that anyone ever needs to remember about those who are on “the Left” is this: The default position of “the Left” is tyranny. This has been true since the very notion of “La Gauche” emerged in the French Revolution.
And never forget that the worst mass-killers in history (NZDAP (Germany), the PNF (Italy), the Communist parties wherever they were/are found) and their political ideologies are/were of “the Left”.
Some Professor if he doesn’t get this – but perhaps he does, which makes his notions more sinister than stupid.
He is a spoilt little boy in a mans body.
The only real question to be answered here is: Will we have four or eight more years of this childish hysteria?
Turning over rocks to see what comes scurrying out from beneath.
Trump the gift of light and fresh air that keeps on giving.
Another pathetic Democrat in Denial . Trump won because the arrogant Democrats and MSM lost touch with
the issues that matter . A President that doubles the national debt and thinks global warming (rebranded climate change ) is the world’s number 1 threat is really unbelievable to say the least . Climate changes as it has for over 4 billion years , it’s warming and humans minuscule impact isn’t even a rounding error .
I love it when people like Palermo open their mouths . It confirms why Trump won .
Republicans, Climate Change, And The New Reality
Joseph A. Palermo
Professor, historian, author
First off, let me be clear: The Republican Party bears responsibility for Donald Trump becoming the 45th President of the United States. The Republican Party nominated him. The party leaders enabled him. There were many complex social, political, and economic forces that produced the Trump catastrophe, but no amount of disassembling and deflecting will change the fact that the Republican Party made this happen.
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Through his public statements and personnel choices Trump has made it clear that he rejects the science of climate change. I’ve always believed that people who dismiss science in one area shouldn’t be able to benefit from science in others. If Trump and his cohort believe the science of global warming is bogus then they shouldn’t be allowed to use the science of the Internet for their Twitter accounts, the science of global positioning for their drones, or the science of nuclear power for their weaponry.
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OK with me. And if Palermians don’t want to think for themselves they shouldn’t use Umberto Eco’s meta language ‘semiotics’:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Eco
Since the most scientifically advanced method of measuring global temps is satellite (the most mathematically complex, the greatest coverage, the least affected by UHI etc), I decree that anyone who doesn’t exclusively use the satellite dataset is Anti-Science. Anyone quoting the GISS dataset should be given access only to the level of t chnogy existing at the time of the mercury thermometer and Stevenson Screen.
Naturally, they must be banned from any academic position.
‘Professor’ Palermo is a carbon based life form and therefore, by his own definition, pollution. At least he’s got one thing right.
Learned idiots have been influential in the corridors of power for far too long. They have a great responsibility for government stupidity around the world.
On the brighter side, Italy holds academics responsible for the harm they do. Hopefully Dr. Palermo will find himself on the wrong end of a lawsuit:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2829107/Scientists-jailed-manslaughter-did-not-predict-deadly-earthquake-Italy-killed-309-people-cleared.html
It’s simply amazing, the people the Puffington Host gets to write for them, and the articles they post.
This whole UN mess plays right into the hands of Trump, who had intended to cut off UN funding for Climate Change measures, but now , thanks to Pres**ent Obama’s “Present” vote on Israeli settlements, a bipartisan Congress will now do it for him.
Given what was known at the time, Newton was not wrong about Alchemy.
The experiments and notes of the alchemists eventually led to the science of chemistry.
“If Trump and his cohort believe the science of global warming is bogus then they shouldn’t be allowed…”
The totalitarian impulse could not be more clear. This deranged kook thinks people “shouldn’t be allowed” certain things based solely on their beliefs. If you don’t blindly accept and submit to scientific authoritarianism then he wants to take your rights away.
If any class of people should be excluded from enjoying the benefits of science and technology it’s the alarmists, especially those who claim to be climate scientists. They’ve ‘crafted’ science to support their position based on anything but the scientific method. It’s become such an autarchic pile of muck, they’ve turned climate science into a joke. The ‘science’ is so fragile, all they have left to further their scientifically unsupportable cause is the kinds of social manipulation pushed by Palermo and others.
This is the advice from the tenured to the non-tenured, recommending actions anathema to the tenured themselves. Some pigs are more equal than others.
Feel sorry for any students captive to campus left wing preachers .
Having to pay huge money to listen to people so out to lunch is really rather disheartening .
As a scientist, I have personally known a number of ecologists who were wrong and boneheaded about it (unwilling to change their views no matter what). I have seen them give a talk that contradicted their own textbook. I have also known some complete idiots and frauds. Only people outside science could imagine that scientists are never wrong.
To follow Paleromo’s logic what about turning off the power from coal fired generators to areas of our cities dominated by green voters who want the rest of us to adopt unreliable renewables
Or if in the event we do go down then windpowered path and there is need to shed load when the wind stops blowing how about we cut off power first to such green voters
Or when the State of South Australia has problems with the wind not blowing given it is 45 percent reliant on wind power lets say the brown coal state of Victoria refuses to send them power through the interstate connector?
Once you start that kind of punitive action against one group of citizens there is no limit to it as the above examples suggest
Professor Palermo shows his overwhelming naitivity about science. There are many educated (much more than himself) scientists who believe science proves a young earth. Young earth scientists are not ignorant or uneducated. Global warming and evolution are both unproven theories.